a. >> imagine ifveryone had their own fire service. >> imagine that. the truth is private fire companies work all over america and do a better job. >> it is how you spend your money. >> traffic lights are synchronized so there are not traffic jams. >> private parks are cleaner and safer. libraries our better run. , they are much more computerized. a private water system the government could not do. clean water for less because

the workers. >> were you goofg off? >> occasionally spinet they don't want to pay for the roads or the diems. >> yese do. we just want themoney spent wall. >> privatize the police department, the fire department, everything. >> privatize everything. that is our show. tonight. john: privatize everything. maybe i did not mean that. i got carried away. there are something this government ought to do. most are listed in the constitution. but this is thin and it makes it very clear there isn't much step bounders thought the government should dubos lee what the federal government should

not do and they were right because most things work better if the central planners but out of leaving mo freedom of choice. w much can reprivatize what should we privatize? leonard gilroy studies that for the reason foundation. >> changing the oil in vehicles, a sweeping streets or trimmingtrees where many cities pay public employees lavish salaries and nefits to perform functions you could give to the private sector. johnwhy do you getetter bids? why couldn't the government better?es do it cheaper or >> you have a monopoly and by definition you don't have competition. of said competition you don't have pressure on prices. if you go to a competitive bidding system what you tend

to do is drive down costs and improve service quity if you do it right that is the outcome that you get. john: we -- you publish the "privatization report" washington state prrivatizing state-run liquor monopoly? what many peopleon't realize there are still 17 states since prohibition own and oerate their own liquor retail and wholesale operations. government run liquor stores or trucks that deliver. john: states said it is a@ dangerous drug and kids will get it was drunk driving accidents. >> writes. originally the rationale. john: you see that now with marijuana legalition. >> but with that they don't operate that themselves. washington state for ov 70 years had its own retail

monopoly. voters voted to dismantle that and after we have been through one year. john the critics said there will be more car accidents. >> tha has not panne out few words you why related accidents or if the word tea way fatalities and under aged drinking is flat and this guy did not fall. john california hir a company to run public park >> today they charge the same fee as thstate for camping to let them in but they pay the state do have the privilege. john: they were losing money now they're making money that people would say this cannot be because the company makes a profit. >> it makes a profit a and a saving money at the same time? that gives us is how inefficient the public

sector can be. hn: from the manual the mayor of chicago llord recycling costs by allowing competition. >> key allowed them to compete to guess each other. he broke into this city into different sounds he kept the public sector and that out other parts so you had a real world competitive test case. competition just by bringing in the private sector the public employees realized they had to step up their game because there was encroachment into their turf for over six months they saved $2 million coming straight from the merck board from the mayor's office and reduced overall cost 35 percent ov six months so that prompted the administration to look at other portunities to have a managed compition model.

john: spaceflig now being done privately for much less , paving streets, graffiti removal louisiana privatize public costs battles civic they're still in transition but they have improved patient outces, reduced ergency room wait. hn: theyre not killing people with neglect? to make their increasing access to canc screenings screenings, preventive care careso justin a few months they have already seen a dramatic turnaround. john:'' -- what will be up to those private benefits was a report i did years ago on the jrsey city water department. >> city's water departments have let the pipes rt in jersey city and are so bad sometimes it failed its own te and kept getting more expensive than did not taste good. they told the mayor there

was not much they could not do they could not slow the price increase. >> can't you get the cost down? they said know it cannot be done. and answer good -- heard everywhere so he put the water contract up for a bid and a for-profit company one id within months they had fixed the pipes the government could not. >> how you trust sd drinki wer? >> the water is safer -- safer and cleaner for the first time in years it that the highest standards for less money. the private company saved taxpayers more than $100 million. some private companies aree3 bad as yours could be ying i am just cherry picking but the diffence is that if they are bad they get fired. over time there will be fewebad water department's

by contrast they never fire themselves i ask the jersey city mayor this. >> what if they screw up? to make they are fired. thr toes. we give it to somebody else. john: that focuses the mind. >> nothing like the prospect of a hanging to concentrate the mind. john: these departments said it could not be done now they do it. >> reworking harder now? >> s. john: were you goofing off before? >> ocsionally. john: opted government workers admit that. >> since 2000 there have been 4,000 water related contracts up for bidding in the 3 percent have been reduced by the public sector clients that indices an extremely high level of satisfaction from thehe jurisdictions that contract out wastewater services

john: lynn -- leonard gilroy from the recent tradition. civic privatize everything they can get their hands on. >> teabags who don't want to pay for education because their children are gone. the village to pay for the roads or the dams are the refers. hn: i just want it wasted but former congressman kucinich says government can do it just as efficiently? >> talking about ivatizationn inevitably means people pay more taxes their fees will go up, they have less accountability. john: we just heard examples they sd the liquor without government cost to people want control over these facilities?

if you don't owe them that they will own you. then we have assets that belong to municipalities but we have of a dog be invested in the parking meter privatization is chicago the told with the idea that cover 3.$8 billion privatisation and ivestors of other cadre'ss planning to return t $1 billion. john: the cars move more quickly the states save money they least it so they will get back. in chicago that was a bad deal but they canceled it. bet is a good thing when it doesn't work out you can fire the company. >> indiana you have spanish and austraan firms invested expected to make $21 billion of profi over the term of the investment.

how do they do tha john: theare more efficient. >> they wi raise the tolls. will you call your counselor? civic you say that we elect public officials but they are accountable? >> that if you vote for me you have water and sewer and fire employees. john: democratic control. that makes me think people get to vote for their representative but you only get to vote every four or two years it often you don't ally have competition in the private sector is every bit if you don't serve your customer will the next guy cleans your clocks that is

what government does not improve. >> something should be kept away. war. reprivatize wartime fuuctions however id or blackwater. the nsa. >> not only do i have one i have the same ideical one from the cato institute the same identical constitution contract from the cato institute. john: somebody wanted to privatize the electric company but you fought back. that was good? because cleveland defaulted. >> first of all, our eltric company because we savedt saved taxpayers tens of millions of dollars because the nk said douglas you sell to a private utility said they would refuse to redo the

city's slums. we have to expect there will be certain servicer is rendered. waste collection collection, water, sewer, it should be. if people don't have control over though water rates why should people go to companies in francend germany to get permission to turn of the water in the state's? we have massive investment3 we don't our country any more. ever a problem with foreign investors investing it in for structure wheelontrol our own future. that is a big deal. john: of a bite to keep thi conversation going with you. what you think?

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not be privatized is public square like the public park they need to be open to everyone if they believe there should not be an admission fee although i suppose it okay yellowstone chars user fees could divert dollars to drive your car but it should be open to the public and therefore run by a government national or local but dan biederman says that is silly if he conves government parks into privately managed ones. how did you come up with this idea? >> we took it when it was the disaster very visible to a ready because they come from other cities to visit. government had allowed very dangerous conditions to govern it with graffiti

graffiti, urine, so they're needed to be a planned event then we needed to pay market pricesforverything. >> as opposed to paying less >> government prices on the expense side one of the reasons that in manhatn you ow how flitter picked up during the day it is too expensive with government employees. john: the government pays above market prices and below market srvice very big guarantee everything will be too expensive. en you hear government does not have money anymore it is partly self-imposed. john: so this deplorable park, a dangerous and dirty you say would you like a miser park? give me some money? >> exactly. we start with charitable contributions from the

rockefellers and businesses they give up with revenue scheme that it pays the budget 100 times as much to come from private business deals, not government we have not taken $0.1 of tax money. john: is nice. >> i get a lot of letters saying i have not been here in 25 years we're thrilled that bryt pa is sothing we can use again. john: whenever positives but the result 20 years later is a corporate playound people so stuffy and advertise tha isot public only if it is the dan biederman park civic only rarely do we do anything commercial to giveus money to do the things that are enjoyed by the public. it is completelyree the hundreds o events are free ads the market is something

the public was in the winter. they could go to tte ice rink switches ffee, aaron revenue scheme o we keep the corporate messages tone down so the big billboards they've got. john: you have to do that >> google's sponsored by fisa we gigive them porcelains science at four places in the park. john: now ev the city tries to get other people to partially privatize other parks spinet this was called a fascist corporate takeover ? >> there is a cartoonish review bfeat care hurts the efforts to do the right things to make people hate this idea estimate there are large sections this is a

popular radio. here we have to struggle with a political imperative but i started into my routine why should be privatized they said we already y decided this. >> you did pittsburg e planoo a park in newark still working in boston and th goes over well used to be a highway. >> it is incrediblypopular. the idea of corporate playground the average income innd teeeighteen is 55,000 for your. >> what else should be privatized? >> mass-transit. i laugh when huneds more people have said of course, mass-transit can never break even i say kids break-even at governor rules because if you pay three

times the market price for wages and don'tollect other than taxes. john: they pay three times the market price. >> i heard metro-north are in the 140 straight range salary part of the problem with mass transit it's the wages and benefits are so high. john: and most people don't know they were built by private companies. think you dan biederman privatizing the water service but what about the military or selling human organs? kennedy checks out privately run libraries and offer bending machines that dispen full charged laptops.

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john: most everyone says has to be done by government is run libraries. it is not a bookstorebetter free government service but just with the garbage removal what if instead of trying to manage the library hired a private contractor and said you rent? with a private company cut corners to increase profit? kennedy checked out some private libraries in california. >> can youreally drink coffee and walk around? this library in santa clarita is different from most others i have visited the. >> story time every single day still make you can check

out a computer that comes out of these machines. it's free as long as you return a. when you checkoubooks in dvd the computer handles the fact. when you return a book no library and find out where it goes because machines do that automatically. people love this library. >> the staff is amazing and help me so much. >> they're not public workers hired by a private company. >> no one we asked to do that. >> this is a private library private? >> private >> you see a difference? >> they do a better job than l.a. county. >> mayor of santa clarita he voted against allowing the private company manage so every.

>> i went down on the floor with one vote but people are thlled. come here any day but particularly on weekends this is packed with citizens one of the best decisions we ever made with get the succesess today think he'l. >> som people think the government shoulrun libraries but if you go to a private company they do just fine. jo: the mayor voted against it now he says i was wrong? >> yesnd now he sees what an increble success story saving the taxpayers' money but it keeps them involved in the use it. john: traffic is up 23%. program attendants to. john:%. >> volunteer hours37% they get involved. john: that sounds like you

take away government jobs becauseolunteers do this but they have more pay the librarians. >> it is so much more efficient now they and they came out the -- the county could only offer 14 but this company was able to get enough mey including a retirement package with 19 liarians. john: library system is services the one big change it. >> that is all they do. but alwaysime focusing on anything else this is a privatization success story. john: there were on the open six days week know it is seven days a week. and they say we object strongly to the term privatisation we have outsourced.

>> i thi that is more offensive if you hear the word privatization you should read the sigh of relief. >> bause that means it will be run efficiently. >> t then the city can say you are fired in higher somebody else. >>. >> they are not saddled with the long term contras. john: they said $1 million per year that they were spending otheir own less clear library. >> and hoping somebod will donate a kidney. what happpns when you buy what happpns when you buy and sell organs legally? [ male announcer ] it's simple physics...

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john: civic aused of buying kidney's then reselling themn the black market making money off of people's misery would get this scar. they are pai at $2,000 for a kidney. john: that clip from a few years back clrly she is horrified about the black market kidney selling operation. is there's something wrong with me she is upset poor people were paid $2,000. i say fine. that person wanted to thousand dollars more than he wanted his kidn. we have to once you are the dullish to be your choice if you want to sell a body part. but not in amera is

illegal in most of the world so something must be wrong with me because most people are horrified by the idea by a more horrified by the bay and. when the jets thousand americans are waitin list hoping to get a kidney in the meantime they suffer painful dialysis, four hours three times a week ended impartially cleans their blood. it is also expensive and thousands of americans die waiting and hoping to get a kidney. others risk their lives to go to foreign couries or visiting sleazy doctors that have a thriving black market and websites post ads. this says in america they go for about $120,000. but because it is a black market you cannot be sure if the oer is real or the surgery is safe a bad kid to

go to ivory and. they threatened the zero world and stone people wh break sharia law but they're the only country in the world that lalized or begin selling. sigrid fry-revere went there and you would like what you see? period they have a waiting list for people to donate so every automatically qualifies can get one. john: i ran? the only country? >> the only country. they have been doing it 25 years. john: you intview people what if this we illegal? they said iould kill for money to you do it there is nothing wrong with helping yourself while helping others. >> the sellers of thought they we'reoing a good deed. they didnot big muddy

exchanging hands made it any less valuable as a social act. some said the fed is second kidney i would give it for free because i got so much pleasure out offhelping give the other human being but at least this way to aus were helped. i would help solve my financial problems and help to save a life at the same time. john: day did not eel good the deaf to not do without the money. >> but people wait for or against another country. pretty bad here one-third , from altruistic donors who don't get paid. john: you have pictures year >> one of those is of the blacksmith who was an apprentice needed the moy to start his own shop and

interestingly he gave his kidney to a15 year-old girl wh is going to school and doing well and he checks and regularly with her mother because it gives him suc a lift to hearhe crow was doing fine. john: here are people who received she looks old i am surprised there we choose to give h her a kid the. >> pretty much if you qualify medic kit -- medically there is no age limit. john: and america went into thousand people wait hoping but didn't i ran they get one. >> here you have daughters @%d recipients to gather. >> is almost like open adoption the partiesan decide if they want to get to know each other 30 percent of the me they do with ongoing

relationships that they are like their son and go for dinner at each other's homes >> and the rest of the world people are horrified. are we weird? >> i cannot understand the argument. why do people see you lose your ability for reason and because money is involved? that makes sense to get $50,000 for a kiddie to save someone's life rather than working five m might -- five yes of nicolae to pay for children's education. john then saul sperm and with the install eggs. >> blood and bone marrow. john: it is the surgery? >> i don't know just old habits die hard.

hn: i understand news reporters that adults that trade for monday are lpless stick mostly young unemployed men to try to sell the kiddie they have little understanding of the consequences. john: they know it is surgery. >> the guy was 32 he is unemployed. he decided he was an apprentice long enough that people who paid for their children's education and build additions, i get married, as many reasons as there are 41t money like alone for a reason to sell a kiddie the added benefit you are saving someone life. john: i wish america would allow selling. sigrid fry-revere has written aook and it will

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john: i have to a knowledge the show title is hyperbolically do need some government the worst places to live are those that have no law or an african country you cannot build thh factory the neighbor may steal it or the, -- the leader confiscates soeverybody stays pour so we do need limited government the man who taught me that was milton friedman. >> what we need is widespread public recognitn the central government should be limited to the basic functions. john: basic functions that means the constitution. government runs the courts, post oice, a common defense but it turns out his son david friedman an economist at santa clara law school says we should go further and get rid of all government? >> all government.

of the things government does something as we shall stop tomorrow like arresting people for smokingarijuana and overtime should be able to find a way. >> court is legal? >> like courts. a lot of though what currently is arbitration. e auto insurance company has its own legal rules for settling a dispute in the most ever go to court. in the long when making lot in enforcing it should be private activities. john: i should pnt out your books "the machinery of freedom goes into how it cod work but this pretex the poor in the week?

then the rich people would takeover without government. >>re you disturbed by the fact the majority of all felony trials in the west the dense attory works for the government? that is what comes out of the system where if you are pour in are charged with a felony you get a lawyer that is appointed b the same peopleho appointed the prosecutor who tries to convict you. john: that the four would have no defense u.s. at present you find the pork does best at what the govement produces. schools in we know what those are like. they produce police protection in the places don't want to walk at night are inhabited by poor people so on ll they do better with things in the market. john: enforcement? the police i think ofas a government job. >> if you look as receny

as 18th-century england they have our legal system with no police force if he were robbed it was up to you to find the person who rob you to get him cvicted. john: that sounds impossible. >> existed in england for well over one century and it was successful. freight costs have of modern system for public prosecutorsay in france nt down into the payoff didn it sailed off into the period. we're much too willing to assume the leeway to do things is the waway it has been done. john: e military? >> was more pessimistic about backed because that is with the soviet union was still a serious threat but it self-destructive and at

this point the enemies are much less powerful and dole have managed -- missiles and high jim bombs. john: and much of it is already privatized. halliburton gives meals in does the laundry in the defense department says it would cut -- that is to say a the modern military don't actually build their own guns and tanks but the provided by the private firm john: they do. my customers can shop around. but it doesn'tally work that way with health care. with unitedhealthcare, i get information on quality rated doctors, treatment options and st estimates, so we can ke better heth decisions. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare

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john: privatation just sounds bad to people. no to you but you are not normally were economically educated. but regular people believe in something as private it is selfish, and favors the rich people and excludes the pork and the weekend that has to cost more because the operator takes a profit so that must we our boss. where if government runs it weeder together sharing the good stuff. that just m sense but it is wrong. we'll get just one town there privatized most of its workers.

these two aren't they working fast? they worked for private come they got less dense finish we have is just a coincidence schiller said margaret thatcher by private companies do a better b for less money. of course, they want to profit. >> what difference does it make if the company makes a profit but you have a service that cost you less? >> private companies offer better ideas. >> traffic lights are synchronized so there are no traffic jams. >> cy workers may eventually have figured that out but they didn't. not that they are bad people but government workers have fer incentives to do racked the vote.

she knows that it don't do it better or lose the contract. if they do other cities manhatn them and incentives matter. the businessman who ran for president ew that. he thought sohu woun't? you may haveducated voters the vantage of private management and you prably don't know nearly half the people government pays to fight wildfires work for private companies. the present says meany llord jake county if your hand is becoming official was whatyou do. high you spend your money. >> given police work to say

there are more private security people in tho thought the california hispanic it was rand by politicians but they were surprised to discover was better but he soon to redu crime. >> we had an edge. >> crime is down in sidence are happy. government offers guarantees on paper wrapped very rarely does livers. competition does. the markets are not perfect but allows for a world where prudence is rewarded. world where people can take

risks and innovate. that is aorld where more people prosper. that is our show. see you next week. gerri: two nights of "the willis report." the solution to obamacare we take an "in-depth" look at what you can do for your health care in the agef obamacare and baing and shaving web sites. growing in popularity but are they the goal? we help you have the best thanksgiving dinner ever. coming up tonight. "the willis report." gerri: