report." dvr our show if you can't catch a fly. some panic, a little frustrationetting in for senate democrats who fate re-election next year and the failed rollout of obama care to blame. all but one of thoseemocrats running for re-election at the white house today to make certain president obama gets the message. i'm lou dobbs. good evening, everybody. obama care is a failure to this point. the white house has repeatedly lied about how it would affect the american public. and the president's own party is now in something of a panic, 15 of the 16 senate democrats who

are trying to keep their seats beyond 2014 at the white house today, demanding improvement in the affordable care act and looking for answers as to why the president suddenly changed his "if you like your heth care you can keep it" claim after three very long years. senator mark baggitch of alaska expressed his deep displeasure with the president in no uncertain terms. >> i've made my voice pretty well heard over there. he doesn't return my calls all the time because i'm yelling at him all the time on some of the issues. >> i have heard from him on day one. i have called suggestg improvements on the site. >> he won election in 2008 by just 1%. it is one of 12 sts that the republican party considers no vulnerable, and they are actively target his seat. fox news chief white house

correspondent ed enhenry broke e story. >> reporter: presint obama conferred late today wit democratic senatorial campaign chairman michael bennett minutes after they wrapped up a dramatic closed door meeting with 15 democrats facing the voters in 2014 who are nervous that anger over obama care will knock them out of office. one democratic source familiar with the meeting told fox it was spicy because quote cannididly there's a lot of frustration. it's terrible politics for everyone right now. this was thehance for the president to let a ltle pressure out after days of republicans piling on". >> our constituents are worried. they feel deceived. they're very upset. and they shouldbe. not only with the law itself but with the way the administration has basically brushed their concerns aside. >> in a sign of the intensity of

the situation, it was a o-hour meeting, and the president was joined by vice president biden, chief of staff dennis mcdonagh and web sste guru jeffrey zient who assured the sptical senators health care.v will be up by the end of november. the democrat described a crisis in confidence saying quotet's absolutely unacceptable in this day and age that the administration can't deliver on e promises it made to all americans because of technical problems with a web site. alaskans should be appreciating the critical benefits of the affordable care act. but there is an understandable crisis in confidence because the administration has yet to gett off t ground." >> he does not return my calls all the time because i'm yelling at him all the time on some of the issues. but i think they really want to hear from us because we're on ground as you know in our own

communities. i deliver that frustration on a fairly regular basis to the white house. today was more direct. >> that anger from democrats may explain why the white house left the meeting off the president's public schedule for the day. it was only after begitch and democrats like mark udall of colorado started lashing out with press releases. udall told the present he need to push back the enrollment period beyond march 2014 and need to get more serious about putting in new safeguard for online privacy. udall declaring "i also told the president for the aordable care act to succeed, consumers need to be confident their personal information is secure. we need to do eerything in our power to protect the online marketplace from hackers and cyber attacks." a democratic source familiar with the meeting terms me that some senators float the idea of a delay of up to one year for enrollment and fines. that would be a major change. the president of course di not

agree. but i'm told the senators felt it was a constructive meeting. the question now is whether the white house compromises and delay implementation by a few months. lou? >> joining us tonight is congressman diane black, former registered nurse, a a member of both the budget commit yoand the house ways and means committee, ao one of 29 members of the budget conference committee. great to have y with us, anne. let me start with this analog from the op ed piece that the woman wrote. "my choice toys get coverage. if w could see this on a full screen, please. my choice is to get coverage through e government health exchange and lose access to my cancer doctors or pay much more for insurance outside the exchange. the quotes average 40 to 50% more for the privilege of starting over with an unfamiliar insurance company and impaired benefits." is that pretty much what the nation is facing? >> lou, i am so discouraged with

this administration. this goes down as this lady is talking out to the patient, to the care, to the kinds of things that are saving people's lives in this situation where she's going to lose her providers. her hospital, her doctors, and have very little opportunity to get other kinds of services, and it's going to cost her much much more. this is affecting real people and their lives. and this administration needs to stand up and take responsibility for what's happening in people's personal lives with their health care. >> you mn as they have done in which cases specifically before this? is there a experienal evidence? >> we haven't seen them take any responsibility for anything whether it's the web site anwe blame the contractors. just take responsibility. this thing ia train wreck. it was from the beginning. but now we're not just talking about well the technology is wrong or this is wrong.

we're talking about real people and their lives and their health care being impaed by this horrible bill. >> what are you going to do for individual americans, a working man and woman, trying to make it and to fd their way through this train wreck? >> well,ou're right. we do have a bill that we have already put out there that does give people opportunity and choices and brings costs down. but let me go back to one of the things you said businesses will make it. because rig hre in the state of tennessee, which is where i live, we have cover tennessee, which is a small business oppounity for small businesses to have insurance. it's called cover tennessee. 28,000 lives were dropped off of this program because the state said we cannot continue providing this oprtunity for small businesses because of the obama care. because they say you have to have a certain level of coverage inrder for them to be able to -- in oneday 28,000 people. these are real lives.

these are businesses. >> 3 million people have been 1 pushed outfheir policies and left in a situation, could be in the same situation as the woman who has stage iv gall bladder cancer. it's a tough time. and the issues are being consumed by a stone walling, frankly dysfctional administration. >> absolutely. and the republican party wants to talk about -- forgive me for saying this because i love the budget. i love fiscal policy. but this isn't the time for big, grand bargains on fiscal policy by a supercommittee, of which you are an important member, i realize. it's a time to start reaching after the people. and i know you do this on a daily basis. but the entire ccus has an opportunity here that i don't sense that the caucus is really tryi to implement to take vantage of. >> lou, we are. and we have a house carebill

that is out there that does the kinds of things where it gets back into the market, where it givepatients opportunities and choices, unlike what you're finding in the obama care. we are listening to people and what their nds are, and we have a plan that we put out there. look, we need to also talk about our debt and deficit. getting that straightened out is going to cause the economy to grow. if you and your caucus think that you have the power as the majority in the house of representatives against a party that hds the presidency and the senate and you're willing to risk agai shuttg down this government, i think that you will be making the biggest mistake imaginable. >> i'm not talking about closing down the government. i'm talking about finding common ground. >> somebody in your caucus need to take leadership role, whether it's the speaker or whomever it may be and say we're not going to shut the government down. we're not going to be irration. we're not going to slam some

grand bargain on fist kical pol down the american people's throat like the president did on obama ca. >> i'm telling you right now we are working to find common ground with our democrats, reaching across the aisle. i think you saw that last week when we had our first meeting. we are finding ways we can work together. we have to govern. we can't just keep stalemating and closing the government down. we have to govern. we have got to find ways to get the deficit under control. we've got to do that. that's what we're intending to do in this committee. it's not grand bargain. it's taking baby steps. paying down on the debt. having a down payment to make sure our debt and deficit is taken care of. that's what helps the economy to grow is when we place certainty out there and closing the government dn doesn't place certainty. it sure doesn't. and it raises hell with american families, woing men and women, and indeed this economy. we appreciate u being her it's always good to ta with you. >> always good to talk with you,

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election day has, well, concluded. in many ways it was a battle, it seems, for the future of the republican party establishment republicans tryi to crush the tea party in some ces, and in some cases losing their way. >> chris christie easily won re-election in new jersey, setting the stage for a run in

2016. but governor christie seemed to beunning at times more against the tea party than his democratic opponent. in part because it created an effective appeal to liberal voters in new jersey. in virginia, tea party-backed republican ken cuccinelllost by only three points to the clinton-backed terry mcauliffe when some polls had him losi by double digits. the gop establishment worked hard to push await tea party in virginia and incredibly allowed an obama bung letter to build a third party libertarian candidacy that took twice as many votes as mcauliffe's margin of victory. there's a lot to be learned from the gubernatori races in virginia and new jersey. one lesson certainly is the gop leadership is as committed to big business and establishment candidates as they are opposed to the teaea party lib liber tearance and conservative candidates. the gop establishment committed

enormous resources in alabama to elect centrist bradley burn over tea party activist dean young. the real question remerges, can the republican party win next year without including libertarians and the tea party in their tent. a lot of public initiatives on the ballot last night as well. lks in colorado can now smoke pot, but that rocky mountain high will be taxed at 25%. in northern colorado, a split decision on secession. six counties rejected it, five counties went for it. the moral of the movement is, if at first you don't secede try again. elsewhere the houston astro dome likely to be reduced to rubble. voters rejecting a $200 million renovation. you can also smoke pot in portland, maine now. it is now aegal recreational activity. new york voters approving seven las vegas-style casin.

yesterday's election at least in part was about vice and in sme cases a lack of moderation. we'll see what both parts make of that and whether there's room for a third view next year and in 2016. joining us now to take up the implications of the wins and losses for both parties we are joined by julie wiginsk ikz, democratic stratist and michael goodwin, pulitzer prize winning "new york post" columnist. julie les start with you. a remarkable win for governor christie. he is now i would have to say the point man in the advance toward the party's nomination. >> amazing. if you look at the actual exit polls and where he did well it becomes even more amazing. chris christie who everybody thinks ace big moderate, heas portrayed himself that way. >> he is a conservative. >> can't you be a conservative moderate? maybe not. >> he calls himself a conservative. >> that may be but he didn't campaign -- >> he also could not be. >> correct. but he got 92% of the tea party

vote in the exit polls. that's amazing. >> that's pretty impressive. particularly with some of the things that he's said about the tea party. he has been pushinghem away. in doing so i think very cleverly >> yes. and i also with a lot of the democratic core constituencies. african-americans, hispanics, he split the hispan vote, winning among women. >> he won the hispanic vote. 51 points. >> he won won. >> 19-point increase over previous -- >> something on the order of one out of three democrats voted for him as well yesterday. so this is cutting across all the lines. toe this is heartening that a republican candidate can cross over that way and get a lot of voters who simply want answers to their problems. >> yes. and in what we watched in virginia, it was a dramatic demonstration of powerful

establishment politics on the democratic side, obviously, terry mcauliffe, former dnc air mine, acolyte of president clinton and one of his if not the principal fundraiser just barely got through against a te party candidate that the reblican party was basically trying to kill by strangling and suffocating him from lack of money. >> if you ask the mcauliffe people they'll say they were never up by more than three or four points. >> we l read the polls. double digits. >> correct. in some cases i would say terry mcauliffe was a flawed candidate. the only person a little more flawed apparently was ken ccinelli. not rock star candidate like chris christie in new jersey. even bob mcdonald, he didn't support ken cuccinelli. at means a struggle for the repuican party. >> a governor who has allorts of ethic complaints and problems. >> yet his approval ratings are 53 or54% which is amazing in

virginia. >> that's a warm hug from an electorate so quick to judge both mcauliffe and cuccinelli. >> correct. >> i disagree with you on this. i think both candidates cld have been ar caidates. but they chose really, i think, unfortunate paths in their candidacy. cuccinelli brought all of the warmth and energy to his candidacy of frankly a slug. i interviewed him. i talked with him. this is aman who's dynamic. he's intelligent. he is a commied public servant. and my god, in the waning weeks of the campaign he was just sluggish. and mcauliffe, he looked likee had been beaten to a pulp. it was a strange, strange performance by both candidates. >> well, and don't forget the amountf money mcauliffe had, advantage money or 4 to 1 cominn down the stretch. >> 10 to 1 in terms of

advertising spent in the final weeks of the campaign. look, republican establishment knew they were killing the candidacy of cuccinelli by not giving him more support. >> i think the problems with obama care clearly helped cuccinelli in the last few days close that gap that mcauliffe certainly had. i would make another argument, too, about this. i think it shows that all the mainstream media was covering the obama care disaster. and i think there was no hiding from it. imagine if the mainstream media had covered a lot of thether obama disasters, benghazi, the irs scandal, along the way, just a whole jobs issue. would have been no second term. >> i think not only that but i >> i don know if you can blame this on the media. the problem with ken cuccinli's campaign and the advantage to chris christie's campaign, christie is operating in the staae of new jersey where there's no media, nework affiliate market. he made his own immediate. why he talked to the voters.

kecuccinelli spent and was defined by the mcauliffe pple spent way too much time worrying about what people do in their bed rooms, things people don't worry object. >> the usual war on women strategy, to which the republicans n't have a counter strategy. >> they do. it's called chris christie. chris christie ran against the first all-women ticket i think in the history of this nation and still won the woman vote. >> and he'pro-life. >> and sti won the woman's vote >> in new jerseyhere as no attack on hhm as a war on women. >> he tried. didn't succeed. >> in virginia it was an overwhelming attack on ken cuccinelli. absurdity, but nonetheless an attack. and i think we have -- there are two events when you talk about media that are real, irrespective of media coverage. one is how in the world does cuccinelliecover when the establishment republican party as well as the tea party embraced the shutdo of government in the weeks leading right up to the election? that was devastating for

cuccinelli, i believe. and how in the world does mcauliffe give flight to his candidacy with obama care a train wreck to which there is no exit? >> becau while obama care, which i don't consider to be a train wreck but let's posit for a minute. >> of course you don't. let me rephrase that. wonderful success. a monument to president obama's leadership with that you're going to get the last rd. >> thank you and good night. no, but ok, i don't agree with youhat it's a wreck. ople are not as affected by it in virginia as by the shutdown. northern virginia -- >> i couldn't agree wh you more. >> that's the problem for ken cuccinelli. >> it was a prlemor ken cuccinelli. and the fact is, by the na narrowest of margins last night he lost. >> chael quick last word. >> i think obama care will be the problem going forward. there's not likely to be another shutdown between now and the next election. but obama care is with us.

>> hip hip hooray. >> on that happy note -- >> thank you bot up next, russian president putin reportedly having second thoughts about his association with syrian dictator basharl ass assad. we take that up and much more with general jack dean here next. [ male announcer ] the founder of mercedes-benz once wrote something on a sheet of paper and placed it in his factory for all to see. ♪ four simple words where the meaning has never been lost. the challenge always accepted. and the calling forever answered. ♪ introducing the all-new 2014 s-class mercedes-benz. the best or nothing.

fox news correspondent james rosen reports russia is preparing reportedly for a post-assad future in syria. that cording to european allies who say that president put inis looking for ways to establish a transitional government in damascus nearly threyears after its civil war began. so it appears putin is psuing an mercantilist foreign policy. a price has to be paid for his accommodation, we just don't know what the terms of the deal are, what the price will be. and secretary of ate kerry in israel today essentially dismissing prime minister netanyahu and the israeli position on middle east peace as

so far putin has demanded a price for nearly every adjustment in the russian position. what are your thoughts? >> well, certainly there'll be a price. but i don't ink we should be too quicko throw the towel in on this retionship. assad is in the strongt position he's been, lou, since the revolution began against him. chemical weapons disarmament deal that the united statesnd russia have brokered with him has legitimized that government and galvanized his control and also weakened the opposition force that's standing against him. it's more fragmented than it has been.

it's never receiving the military in any consequential way that the united states has promised. so i don't think this thing is a fissure yet. and assad has got a vote here unless the russians are successful in undermining the support that's around him. >> and the support right now for mahmoud abbas seems to be rising as the united states gives further aid to the palestinians, another $75 million courtesy secretary of stat kerry today. what is your assessment of what the united states policy is there and its gos? >> well, every secretary for the last 50 years has tried to broker some kindf peace treaty dealing with the palestinians and the israelis, and we've had seminal failure. i think we're here -- what took place here, frankly, is the israelis and the palestinians both made concessions as a

condition forbeginning the peace talks, and then the palestinians began to push back on the new settlements being constructed but they were not part of the concessions. they belly ached quite a bit about that and lo and behold they got an additional concsion out of the united states, another additional 75 million. i don't think stragy wise it makes sense. you wanthe people talking to each other israel his and palestinians and not frustrate one side against the other. >> no one could seemingly be more frustrated than prime minister netanyahu, whose focus remains iran, and who is concerned that the obama administration is notocused on iran. give us your perspective on wha will likely transpire there. >> well, clearly iran is israel less number one strategic enemy in the region and it's alslso ours. it's certainly saudi arabia's and the sunni gulf states. the iranians have never givenp

on domination of the region. that's why they've had a state-sponsored terrorist campaign against youus and othe countries in the 30 years. they're moving towards nuclear weapons. i think they always look at diplomacy and negotiations as simply this. one step back due to diplomacy and negotiations then two steps forward. that's been the pattern for 15 years. they watched the north koreans do it much to their success in acquing a nuclear weapon. i think netanyahu is eally very much concerned no because he thinks the uned states in a sense is neutered, that we're not going to take any action and he's going to be on his own as eventually iran makes a race to a nuclear weapon and he's forced to do something. >> general jack keene as always good to have you here. up next, the obama care failure pushing president obama closer to a dubious rord. his poll numbers continue to take a beating. take a beating. we'll be joined by former se

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joining us now, former senator scott brown, fox news contributor. scott, it's great to have you with us. i want to just turn first to obama care, the discsion from republicans now about he budget. even as the president is trying to change the subject, are we witnessing the republican party again try to accommodate him by letting him change the subject? >> well listen, obviously our debt and deficit, taxes, spending, jobs, national security are all very important issues. but right now the most important issue, the thing that's on everybody's mind whether you're a large business owner or sll business owner or an individual is this health care debacle. bottom line is, they tried to ram it through, tried to circumvent me. i got elected in an attempt to stop obama care. in massachusetts they had a deal with the white house where they held me up being sworn in for a couple of weeks so they could ram itrough.

then when i got there, don't forget they did not allow one amendment try to fix this bill in any way, shape or form. so shame on tem now. people like landrieu and shaheen and pryor and begch complaining we didn't know anything about t grand fathering and the fact that people are going to lose their policies. they ved on it. every one of them said hey, we don't care. so health care and the debacle that we're seeing right now and the fact that people are deey deeply concerned and rightly so that it's going to cost too much, it's going to have way too much long wait in line in it, and it's just a mess. >> are you concerned further, though, that the republicans don't seem to be finding a common voicehere? theyave an opportunity too in to 2014 and just -- i mean, i think they have got a gift from this administration and from the democrats on capitol hill in both houses that should assure

them of signicant victories in congress and the nate, don't you think? >> well, here'she issue. so they all agree that they hate obama care. so what are they fighting abou they're fighting about who's more conservative on obama care. who cares who's more conservative? bottom line is, we have an issue. it's broken. we need to fix it. and how do you do that? the first thing that the president should do, quite honestly, is to show sme leadership and actually work with congress immediately and grab the bull by the horns and say, hey, we're going to step back for ateast six to nine to 12 months and just put everything on hold. we're going to do a break break. and we're going to just look at everything top to bottom, do that top to bottom review and see what's working and what's not. we need your help, congress. we need your help, senate. he'sot doing that. 's checking out. the blame game is unbelievable. first of all, people need to be fired. secondly you got to get people in there who actually know how to run a business or know how to create a web site. can you imagine, lou, we spt 400 million plus of our tax dollars d we gave the job to a

canadian compa who couldn't even give it to a united states coany and it's broken. so yes, you're absolutely right. they need to work together. they should be completely and totally united o on this issue. and so should the democrats. >> very quickly as we're over time here. but do you think the president can rever from four years -- just about four years of repeated misrepresentations, misstatements or outright dishonesty speaking to the american people? or i the matter irretrievably for him? >> well, listen. people will give you a break if you're honest and say listen, i made a mistake. i messed up. >>his many times? >> they could have done it on benghazi, onhe irs issue, and they certainly could have done it on this. yeah, listen, it's a problem for and many others. but with the president he seems to be very, very resilient and people don't care as long as they're getting some of the benefits they get or they're

getting time with the president and pushing forth his agenda. and you have every democrat, almost every democrat in the house and senate pushing his agen still and making things up and making it worse. the american people need to hold everyby accountable at the ballot box come 2014. >> senator scottbrown, thanks for being with us. up next, the brand-new book "middle-eastern heroes on the home front" brings together a collection of true stories from the men and women who put their lives on the lin to defend our great nation. and one of those people, who's defended this nation, author colonel oliver north is next. stick with innovation. stick with power. stick with technology. new from philips sonicare.

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the sacrifice made by our men and women in uniform as well as those obviously made by their families. joining us now is the author, lieutenant colonel oliver north. his new book "american heroes on the home front, the harts of heroes." it is great to have you with us. >> great to be with you. >> terrific ok. i start by saying you've got to reed this book. it is written for folks like me who love the pictures as much as the words. these rain credible pictures and it's an incredible story. >> well, we did that one special on war storories where we were allowed to put a teamdown at camp la june, north carolina. i was out with the unit when it was deployed in iraq i 2006. of course, while we're embedd they lost marines. down at camp lejeune, obviously a privilege very few have ever been granted, we were there to cover at aspect ofit.

so what you've got today is a follow on to that experience, in large part because my best friend and the mother of our kids said to me after that show, you never understood until now what we were going through back at home. so the hearts of heroes aren't just the purple hearts, it's the hearts of those that love them. >> now, the story of what the families go through, and the importance of their support to these wounded warriors in particular, it's so critical, so important. and i think organizations like the fisher house, they wwrk for thefamilies just as much as they're working for that wounded warrior and how important that is. >> and one of the things that i think we need to be very careful of in this new era of reduced budgets for almost everything military, they not cut the family support services to the bone whichooks like are going

to do. because ultimately the ability to attract enough volunteers for the next war is going to depend a lot on how we've treated the volunteers in this war. i point out to people that for the very first time since the american revolution, every single person serving i a uniform in a time of war is a volunteer. it's not happened in between. anso george washington is right. your ability to attract enough volunteers next go around is going to depend on how well we treat those from this one, and they better not foet the sacrifices of these families. >> your judgment, how well are we taking care of our wounded warriors,taking care of their families? >> there's no doubt that the military medical system is the best in the world. in fact, you're far better f getting wounded on the battle fielin afghanistan than you areaving a crash on the interstate. because these guys know how to deal with it. trauma care is the best inhe world. the rehab is. the problem is in n the transitn from the military system to the v.a. the veterans administration. what happens there, quite

frkly, is unconscionable. you've got a 22-month average time between the day they start filing the paperwork and the v.a. accepts them into the syst. i have been wi guys who are in this book. there's graphic pictures in here we would never put on fox. these guys said no, this what is happened when we were hurt. please show people what it was really le. it's very graphic. it takes them in that progress throh imdiate battle field care, trauma, to germany, back to the states and then in rehab. and now processed out into the quote real world. what's happened is two things. one, the v.a. system is broke. the mott over the door of the v.a. is "nothing is too good for our troops" that's just what we're going to give them, nothing. second of all, tese kid deserve a good job. it's the brightest, bt educated military that the world's ever seen. >> and post-traumatic stress, you talk about it in the bo. and wee got so many guys

suffering from that. and i think about the tours. when y were in vietnam versus the tours these guys were expected so many of them over so many years afghanistan, in iraq. i can't ev -- contrast if you wi the pressure on the battle field knowing you're going out on one mission. the guys that we've been sending over to afghanistan d iraq day after day after day of intense, intense combat. >> world war ii, my dad -- i was born at fort sam houston in san antonio, texas when my dad was already overseas. my mom and dad met at a uso dance in 1940. he left in early 1943, didn't come home until '45. gone for two years. total time in combat for the 95th infantry division is less than six months, even though they were gone r two years. korea average time in combat 11 months. vietnam average time in combat 13 months for a single term.

today, i'm a marine talking about the army. third infantry division of the united states army, one of the best units that's ever been, three 15-month tours for your average 60-month enlistee. it's unheard of. there's never been a military asked that much of those volunteers. >> you're going to meet some of theseterrific volunteers and those who have served the nati so gallantly and have sacrificed so much as you point out for all of us. thank you, colonel oliver north. the book is "american heroes on the home front" on sale now online and at book stores all over. >> up next, extortion. capitol hillhieves off of your money so of which by votes, some ending up in -- oh, no, this is not possible -- inur elected officials' pockets? author peter schweitzer joins me next. i can't believe that. no, tell me

>>millions of us seeing health care plans canceled, losing access to doctors, seeing premiums rise. but my next guest says oba fundraisers and cronies will be making millions off the failed rollout. joining us now is peter schweitzer, president of the gornment accountability institute, research fellow at the hoover institution, and right now more importantly he's the author of the "new york times" best seller "extortion, how politicians extract your money by votes and line their own pockets." peter good to have you with us. how are politicians making out on this train wreck? >> well, the thing we always have to recognize, lou, is that they're very creative and they

find ways to maximize their position and those of their biggest supporters. so you have a circumstance in this case where millions of americans are losing their health care coverage, millions more having difficulty even finding out what coverage is available. and yet there are people that are very well-position today do well financially. these are connections that are made by financiers, business owners who are bundlers for the president who have positioned their business in a nice way to profit from the mandates that obama care has created. this is the problem you get when you get crony capitalism, where the government starts picking winners and loosers and making these kinds of decions. >> they're making decisions, picking winners and losers without queson and frankly telling the american people to go to he when they're assed a queson. we have literally no information on enrollments over the course of the nearly -- well, it's one month that it's been in effect.

the best we've got that is there were 200 enrollments in two days and that's the end of our knowledge. how are we to react to this administrati? >> well, i think outrage is necessary. but i don't think it can just be outrage in a general sense. i think w have to learn lessons from this. the american people have to recognize that when the government comes and says we're going to take 15 to 20% of the entire economy and we're going to reconfigure it and trust us we know what we're doing, they're not half as smart as they think they are. these are very complex economic systems. and whether these problems were intended or unintended, the fact of the matter is, you cannot be smart enough. no group of people can be smart enough to reconfigure a complex system like this without causing major major disruptions. and the reality is that the disruptions tend to go negative r those who are not connected

in washington, d.c. and very positive for those who are. >> you mean pain for millions of americans. flesh and blood pain. let me turn to as i w talking with matt and judy and hank, this effort now, all of these organizations that have blossomed suddenly are lobbyin the house to go to this senate amnesty legislation. what are you thoughts? you've got food workers are now amongst the leaders, the fast od chaiis are amongst the leaders in pushing for amnesty. what are we watchiig happen to this country? >> well, it's basic supply and mand. and if you are a company and you want to keep wages down, the way you dohat is by increasing labor supply. so amnesty will be a boonto companies to keep labor costs down. and it's ironic to me, lou, that the the same people who are pushing to increase the minimum wage in the united states are

the same people that are saying we want amnesty. you can't have both of those at the same time. if you increase the labor supply it is going to hurt working class and middle class americans. who it's going to benefit is basically the investment class, people that are involved with major corporations, own a lot of shares. those are going to make out very, very well when it comesto amnesty because it's going to help their bottom ne. >> ter as i was saying to hank, the fact is that in most industries in which illegal immigrants are a major component of the workforces, wages are actually declining, not rising. and that is not reflective of -- as you well no, that's not reflective of a scarce labor force. that is an indication that labor is in surplus. >> yes. >> and for people with a straight face to walk into washington, d.c. contending otherwise is truly remarkable.

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