tv Lou Dobbs Tonight FOX Business December 24, 2013 10:00pm-11:01pm EST
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in the health care is a principal fator. new numbers show the administration is nhere near hitting their ambitious trget of enrolling 7 million americans through the obamacare website. just uder 365 people have signed up for obare in the first two months. and at less than a third of the 1.2 million people that officials have projected to enroll nationwide by the end of last month. kathleen sebelius appeared for on a second time since the debut of the obamare website
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in october. she testified and came prepared. calling for an investigation of herself, her very own website. and spker boehner blasted conservative critics announc by senator muray and congressman paul ryan. joining us now is member of the houston public an leership. congressman bob good law, the chairman of the house judiciary committee. it's great he you with us, mr. chairman. >> always great to be with you in your viewers.
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>> and that is a president who does notdo entitlement reform, a sentiment and transcended that will not do entitlement reform. that is what the problem is here. we can't get them here without doing tax increases. and that includes the current spendg for the rest of the year and unfortunately we don't have 218 votes to do that in the house. so the chairman is put in a dificult position because these shared these concerns and
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therefore i think that this deserves careful consideration by the house. lou: it looks like relatively short cotton. it happens t bethat in a return to regular rules and regular order. and if that is the result, that would be worth whaever the results were forconservatives or moderate republicans or whomever. would you agree? >> after my yes, i do. that would be the immiate result. and during this time that would allow us to get to handle each appropriations bill separately. thats important not only to allow individual members to have their opportunities kite, but also to stop certain programs
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and that gives us an opportunity to do those kinds of things. lou: congressman, we have a huge number of subjects and let e just say that kathleen sebelius, secretary kathleen sebelius calling for an investigation of herself and are you astonished at her brazenness in making such a proposal or statement? >> i think that sh would issue were to step down, and the president would appoint someone
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in this mess called obamacare. i think that the inspector general should be continuing te investigation of what is going on there. and i think that is very important. the same thing with the gentleman in his dealings. not to be promoted and now ccmpounded by a senate, willing to throw overboard their own power to check the administration by requiringhat they send people bipartisan support of
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lou: this includes the legislation that has a lo of people concerned. and secondly, where we stand, will be wiess speaker john boehner having his way? putting forward that it seeems ttat h will push forward for the amnesty version of the immigration reform. better than the bob goodlatte order approach to dealing with the issues. >> yes, the leadership has been working very closely on that. including speaker john boehner who is very helpful by month ago. in making it absolutely clear that not only do you take up the senate ended his nightspecial
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♪ lou: my next guest, one of the most influential and respected mmentators of ourim lou: my next guest is an influential commentator of our time. from doctor to writer to think or tt social critic. and an ardent conservative charles krauthammer, we thank you for being here. and we are pleed to recommend what is a blockbuster bestseller already. it makes the bo so compelling. walter mondale, henry jackson, w can you be associated with such people, given your coervative philosophy?
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>> i'm glad you asked. lou: and you never dreamed i would. and wasn't like the lord spake to me. it is quite simple. in my 20s, i was a democrat and then this is a road thathas been traveled by many. and what happenedwas i was in my 30s and began my writing career. and the evidence of what the great society of the war on poverty which i had believed in in my 20s and 19, the evidence of what the effects wre.
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>> i think that hen thing people do is credit thiss good or bad. in some ways to make your once a liberal, i understand the intent of liberalism. there are some who want to control the political class and the ones ho believe obamacare and i know it's not a good plan, but i know you like and that is a pt of it as well. and liberalsre stuck in a
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either in theirminds or earts, have responsible regulation in the role for govnment. perhaps there is a sign of considerable trouble to come. >> a belief the safety net, notthe entitlement society, which is theiberals in the hyper liberal idea. in all and all of the government regulations that we get. and this includes the being a generous society and solutions that incorporate small government.
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and to do i only in return for closing the border. if these arehe last 11 million that are legalized from the last time we do it, then i think that america is humane and generous for doing it. lou: is one of the reasons i support the chairman of the judiary committee. he has comport with an intelligent incremental approach has the potential to solve very difficult problblems to say the least.
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♪ ♪ the 18 of the country's largest technology ompanies today calling upon president obama and congress to implement sweeping reforms to stop further surveillance. the coalition saying that there is an urgent need to change spying practices. because according to microsoft people who ue technology that they don't trust. and there is some irony in this statement hen we look at all of the cyberattacks on technology round the country. and a new report about just how extensivehe national security agency spying really is.
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they reportedly spent years spying on online gamers, incling those playing world of warcraft. on xbox live. the outrage. obamacare architect ezekiel emanuel said young people haven't signed up for coverage because the obama administratn hasn't sufficiently promoted it. my next guest says that he could not rate a greater piece of fiction in the obamacare narrative. we are joined by best-selling conservative auhor brad the thor. his latest book is called hidden order and i's great to have you th us. >> what it is saying is that obamacare works if you are rich.
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you will have access to the health care system unless you're rich, which is the bottom line, which is a stunner coming from this. lou: the idea of that cedars-sinai in os angeles, but these hospitals would be -- this is just such tough stuff. and some premiums are lower than anticipated, which eans we don't understand how hihly expected them to be. and this is a very difficult thing for people who thought that obacare wou amount to something. >> i have to tell you that i there is a poster of obama and
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this guy is the best salesperson for the evils of big government and the necessity for us to embrace liberty in this coutry. my first and only test for legislation is that the bring you more freedom or less and everything out of the democratic party has been less freedom for you. and you know, the problem with liberalism is tha they believe that yo are dumb and too stupid to make our own decisio, so they have to legislate and regulate us to death. so i really believe the endgame is socialism and complete government control. this idea that this is falling flat on its face. we find out between july of 2010 that obama met with kathleen sebelius this many times andit is just insanity. this is the premier piece of legislation. the ones not anymore, it is't.
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lou: amazon developing plans. and there are drones in the air, delivering packages. and then some technology companies say they don't want any further surveillance by the nsa. this is a crazy country right now and we have technology coanies telling us to quit and that the national security agency will quit spying, which is what they have been doing and mining data for years whout anyone's permission. ta to facebook. talk to google.
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and it's a brand-new way of doing e-mai i hear these guys are going to do a kick start process and they are doing smething where it never sits on a server, it's constantly moving and that is going to be amazing. so these issues inspire us. >> go ahead. it's a lightning rod. >> good for the nsa. they get around a lot and i and along with all the others unless there was a reason. you shouldn't expect privacy on facebook and twitter. people a going to give the nsa kudos. it's like they've said that they shouldn't been spying on the flight academy.
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saying that these guys are not learning how to land the plane correctly. >> i'm still trying to understand how they can take executives from a technology companies, talking about personal privacy and security in pushing against the nsa and they want a monopoly on that access your private information. >> well, if you own your omain, at's a lot different than if you use gmail or hotmail. and this is the way the marketplace works. i'm paying subscriptions fees and i'm paying f for it i want that privacy and the added encryption. a lot of the nsa stuff isforced on some of the companies even though they do their own private ddta mining. he wn fir and balanced as always. brad, good to see you. lou: another obama cover-up. new details revealing the obama administration knew about a flaw in the obamacare business exchange. romney health care advisor next
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lou:ouse energy and commerce committee releasing new e-mails showing that administration officials knew they needed to delay the healthare exchange for small businesses as early as august but it wasn't until six weeks later on september 26th that the administration actually announced it was delaying the online portal for small buness. energy a commerce committee chairman fred upton said about that revelation, quo, as the paer trail broadens we see more and more evidence that the administration was fully aware its signature health care law was not readyor prime time. the documents we are now reviewing tell a much, much different story than what officials testified to congress. the white house continues to claim healthcare.gov is working tter. public sentiment however is worsening.
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a new "gallup poll" shows a majority of americans, 52%, want the law scaled back or repealed outright, compared with 50% who felt that way in october. 37% said they want t law expanded or kept as is. joining us now, we haenior fellow with the manhattan institute, form health care policy advisor to the romney campai. also the author of the new book, "how medicaid fails the poor." grat to have you here. the number of visitors here, about 3.5 million people, 3.7. should we care? what doe it tell us? >> we should care because the old plans that people had have been canceled. so if they can't get insurance under the new system, it's a big problem. it is not just a big problem for those individuals. it is a big problem for the viability of insurance companies now tryg to sign up people for whomg they won't get paid. lou: but my problem is, just visiting a site doesn't mean anyone is enrolled.
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anyone enrolls doesn't mean they have been insured. so at what point will we have meaningful, substantive answers from this administration, to repeat the off the used phrase, signature health care law? >> they have had atrong record, not just recently, but throughout, since 2010 only closing data flattering to the administration. irly owe lit sized disclosure process. ion't see that that will not continue. >> they stowall on so many fronts. exchanges between the officials at cms and the contractor, cgi, show the administration as i just said, show the small business exchange, they knew it wasn't going to be ready, but as you suggest refused to let anybody knowas until effectively the last minute. >> well the good news at least is the small business exchange can be delayed without, they delayed, delayed it and it won
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disrupts much insurance market for people who work for small business. the problem is, they should have done the same thing for the individual market exchange because thatg exchange hasn't been ready either. delayed that exchange for a year, we wouldn't see massive disruptions in that market we're seeing today.% lou: the idea thaa this administrationhi is watching the number of sign-ups and i won't call them enrollmts. insurance sign-ups but let's call them sign-ups for medicaid, outpacing thosel for obamacaret a ridiculous rate. they have inverted the ratioed they sought and then some. we're looking at prospects according to some authorities, $17 trillion in unfunded liabilities because of unintended, massive expansion of mecaid through the marketing of obamacare. >> well you know, this is the interesting thing about the law, is that it is supposed to expand coverage by 30 million people roughly half odf that is through the website, through the private
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insurance exchanges. and half of it is through the medicaid program. so what you hear a lot of commentators say, particurly on the left, well, at lea the medicaid portion is succeeding because those people are enrolling, as p i argue in the book you mentioned, that is not success for thoseeo studies show people on medicaid fare no better than people with no health insurance at all when it comes to health care outcomes. lou: say that again. medicaid is effectively not working. >>ly studies show people on medicaid don't fare better in things like mortality, heart disease, diabetes, anything like that relative to no insurance at all. people say we have to expand medicaid, becaus it will save lives of all these people. studies showhat is not the case. . lou: the problem, medicaid is a mess now obamacare is a mess. we don't know where we're lou: medicaid is a mess. obama kays is a mess. some point when we know people, a will be insured and
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whether b, sufficient numbers of young people 18 to 35 are beg secured that the foundation of obama care itself, young paying for older? >> i doubt the administration will disclose number of young people who are enrolling unle those numbers are good which they probably will never be. lou: since when does a president or an administration get to decide that they will not tell the american people whether a program they're paying for is working or not? >> i certainly don't agree with their disclosure strategy but it is going to be -- i don't know if it can be solved through litigation. it will take a new administration or congress to force them to do it. lou: effectively what you're saying w may be faced with a prospect we not only have utterly incompetent and incapable government, but we don't have the where with all or the, the resources or avenues to correct it and, we don't know
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whether, to what degree we need to. >> to what degree they have actually disclosed anything, it is because there has been immense political pressure, immense pressure from journalist friendly journalists even to disclose stuff. they have trickled out some things. we'll have to get data from insurers themselves. insurers sometimes throu nsultants, consultants getting information and dclosg it. that is where we get data. we'll see prices for plans. if the prices for plans submitted for 2015 than 2014, that will give an indication older and sicker people are siing up. lou: older and sicker. frankly we will not at that point know anything substantive about obamacare and the enrollments nd subsequent insurance that follows till perhaps the new year? it's outrageous. >> it's a problem but you can only hi t problem so long. i think they're trying to do that hoping ifhey, if they tell people everything isood
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and they, you know, they don't disclose a lot of things, young people will sign up. that's what they're terrified. ey're terrified if a lot of bad news and prices continue to go up because only older and sick people sign up that will further discourage young people signing up whohey need to bsidize insurance for everyone else. that problem will ctinue to get worse. hiding it and non-disosure will not succeed. lou: is the model overall on your judgment on the verge of collapse? >> i don't think it is on verge of collapse t will limp forward. it will not collapse but won't live up to its promises or billing. lou: thanks for being here. od to see you. if you like your doctor, you can keep him but you have to pay. that is not exactly what the president promised. "the a-team" on ever changing political narrative of this white house. ed rollins, michael good win, a.b. stoddard, here next. ♪
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lou: joining us now "the a-team." campai strategist, former reagan political director, ed rollins. pulitzer prize-winning columnist, "new york post" and fox news contributor, michael good win. from wasngton, d.c., associate editor of "the hill", a.b. stoddard. greato have you all here. ab, start with you. ezekiel manual made it simple. if you want to keep your doctor, pay for it. that is what the president meant to say >> we learned a few weeks back when president obama said if you like your doctor you ould keep them was not telling the truth. what dr. emanuel made clear if you will go into this program, you're going to g theoctor that they choose and you will get the service that is are meet the standards for the affordable care act and you're going to like it. th problem is, if it isn't affordable and the name is the affordable care act, if it turns
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out that people, even those who didn't have a doctor or policy they liked find that this plan is unaffordable with all the out-of-pocket costs that will be a real problem. there are five million or more people who lost their policies worried that they can't keep their doctor and they're already fuming. but it is people going into the system for the first time, maybe have not been insured ever or haven't been in a lo time and don't have a doctor, they're finding prices are not affordable. that is a problem for the administration going forward even if they get the number of enrollees they hope to. lou: as you put it, you will have this and y like it, was emanuel's basic message. i think you're exactly right. this is such an elitist tone. i mean absolutely coercive piece of law, that i can't believe there isn't greater focus on it broadly in the national media. >> well, i think the national media in fairness, remember the national media has followed this story er since the government reopened on october 16th,
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night and day, there have been many more problemsith not just the rollout but the actual structuring of this law than anyone including the elected democrats who were in negotiations with president obama and his team all along even knew. i think as we look to the fix of the website and to the future of what does enrollment look like this winter and in the spring when the insurance industry is reassessing prices for 2015, what does it look like next summer and business waiver expire and take people from their companies into the exchanges and people think unaffected by the law, there is lo of potential problems to come for the law that have noing to do with the website. the administration needs to face that. >> michael, you wrote a column on medicaid. one of unintended consequences so it seems to obamacare invert the ratio of medicaid to obamacare eollees and medicare is swamped.
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11 troll lars in unfunded -- $11 illion in unnded liabilities. >> medicaid will reach a crisis situation fairly soon but it will not bene. we talked befo with cuts to medicare. lou: right. >> required by obamacare. we now see all these, the private insurance market roiled starting with the individual market. so this was a website problem that became a political problem it could well become a health care crisis, that extend for years. lou: doctors are simp nt providing coverage. >> right. lou: care for medicaid patients. it is just not -- >> they lose money. they lose money on every single one of them. most doctors are small business people. they have to pay for nurses receptionists what have you, if you tell them they have to tke more patients get less money, they will not be able to function. the problem with medicaid, it will end upeing a state burden
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as it has historically, it will break the backs of a l of these states in addition not being good health care. lou: among the many miscalculations of obama administration in my judgement is the time horizon that these problems wld manifest themselves. they never dreamedded they would be at a crisis within a matter of three months of the advent of obamacare that is where they are now. we're coming back to continue the conversation with "the a-team." to join our discussion, take a minute to check us out on the social media twitter, follow us at lou doobs news. go to facebook. go to loudobbcom. up next, three of the winningest, most recognizable managers in baseball history, managers in baseball history, they're part of history this is the quicksilr cash back card from capil one. it's not the "limit the cash i earnvery month" card. it's not the "i only earn decent rewards at the gas station" card. it's the no-games, no-signing up, everyday-rewarding, kung-fu-fighting
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lou: major league baseball hall of fame approving three new members. managers tony la russa, bobby cox,oe torre, unimously elected to the hall of fame bit expansion era committee. all three future inductees rank in the top five of the career list of managerial victories. la russa, cx, torre, combined for 7558 wins, eight world series championships spanning more than three decades. quite a performance. what do you think? hall of fame. back with "the a-team." let's go to ts we're watching in the asian pivot, a chinese aircraft carrier moving into the south china sea. we have seen a buildup of chinese troops. we have also seen three other ships move into the region. the south koreans announced an extension of their air defense identification zone, adiz.
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to follow along withhat of china and japanese are not backing off at all. it is very unclear what the united states position in it all is. >> historically we've always ben the force that goes in there one of the problems with diminish the military as inclination to do, you don't have resources to put a carrier group i there, what have you, to sort of kp peace. my sense all of these countries are about-face. they will not back off. there is a lot of historil bad blood. my sense it is not a good situation. it will not get to abeor situation in the short run. lou: and, michael the fact that we have as i raised with brad or in the broadcast earlier, we have the nsa being bese beseeched by, i will be nice about it, beseeched by eight technology companies to stop theirurveillance and just back off. your reaction first the idea there would be a cadre of technology compaes that would
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think that their interests somehow would be better represented, should be better reprented than those the @ati? >> lou, i think that all of these are different pieces of the same puzzle. you ha a weak government, viewed as weak abroad a now teetering at home inany respects. nobody wants to b with itnd everybody wants to carve it up in their own way. the lack ofmerican strength open and abroad, or lack of consensus government that speaks for most of theeople is really a damaging moment. when america's government is weakened, the whole world goes off the rail that is what we're seeing in china and ukraine. going back to the soviet mothership almost, a arab countries moving tore russia. at home you see this division, the sense of resentment the government does not represent
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the public anymore. is a very dangerous moment at home and abroad. lou: ab, congressoes not seem to have as strong as clear a% voice what happens in foreign policy here. we're not hearing from the foreign affairs committee. we're not hearing as oneight or democrats for that matter to shoulder part of the interest of the country and their president in the case of the democratic chairman and the senate. what is going on? >> it's a very interesting turn of event and i've been covering congress since 1994,o watch what happened really to both parties i think more of, new and interesting on the republican side because there is actually a real tangible drift towards, if not, kind of a isolationist bent but, away from tradition of the republican party, strong defense and international, internationalist posture abrad,
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emphasis on global leadership. that is disappearing. i'm not calling them isationist. we're moving away from the republican party as you've seen from the new faces who were so popular, from that traditional republican position. over on the demratic side, they too lost so of their so-caled moderates who used to be pro-defense. they're left with such a lib ram antiwar, anti-, military, investment posture we're seeing coalition between them. where you see on afghanistan, on drones and other iues,, you see senator rand paul to name one person, siding with someone like dennis kucinich. you see in the syria debate which was an absolute debacle for the country and president to do something and entire congress
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turn against him. you saw i that momentoth parties say no. lou: was it a debacle or an example of checks and balances? did our government thatne instance work. >> im characterizing it that way. find a democrat in this to who wasn't privately furious and embarrassed about the fact that the president created red lines. put them down on the table. had known this was coming for years. could have anticipate ad chemical attack. lou: they're embarrassed for the president? is that what you're saying ab? areou saying embarrassed for the president? >> foreign policy aays led by the administration. there is usually bipartisan agreement on democrat and republican. the weakness of this president on all fronts he is not respected abroad or domestically thatch is what is creating all of this. >> syrian thing was a dry run for iranian arrangement. iranian arrangement is a very dangerous situation for the
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