giving family privacy is discussing. kennedy: i like everything about you. the obama administration's collection of scandals and lies have led to comparisons to former president richard nixon and today, the washington post released a statistical analysis nfirming the comparons, the nixon, the only president to post lower ratings in the position than where predent obama finds himself tonight. i'm lou dobbs. good evening, everybody. the washington post, today, released a damming poll for the obama adminiration, the president's approval rating at the end of his fifth year in

office has fallen to 43% with a disapproval rating with 55%. the post writing of the findings, quote, president bush had a 47% at the end of the his firefight year of presidency and other post war ii presidents. the numbers get worse. when asked who they trust to do a better job with the nation's approximate? respondents have the president now tied with congressional republicans at 41%. only a year ago, the president had a 15-point lead. now it's gone. all gone. the president also trails republicans on the economy by four points. last year at this time, president obama held an 18-point lead on economic issues. the revelations of scandal after scandal the declaraons that

have turbid out to be lies and the failed rollout of the federal health care law has contributed to his nose dive in his poll, jay carney today, admitted that the president's sinking numbers are can hurting his credibility and effectiveness with congress. >> does he really still have the power to move the public, t move the congress on these big issues? when he approval ratings continue to sink? >> again, ed, you won't hear an argument from me that everyone in washington hass taking a hit. >> more poor timing coming for the dministration. president obama himself praisee the fictional congressman frank underwood from hbo's "house of cards" the ruthless character played by oscar winner kevin spacey who manipulates his way to the presidency through lies

and ultimately murder. >> i wish things were ruthlessly -- true. li kevin spacey. >> our first guest tonight, voted in favor of the budget compromise in the hous he also stresses the deal eases the burden caused by the sequester, joining us now scott, member of the budget committee, congressman, good to have you with us, you and many of your colleagues in the house, particularly those who style yourself as conservatives wrestle mightily on this, what was the point to cast your vote to support it. >> thank you, lou. a critical topic for our country. the alternatives before us were

this, if i voted no, we would have had continuing resolutions where we fund things that didn't need to be funding. i have been among i think the strongest advocates for returning to regular order, where we have a top-line budget and we have agreed to that in this agreement and work through all of the appropriations bill. >> if the sete approves, almost a certaintt they will approve it tomorrow and move it on, regular order will be restored. we're talking about $85 billion against a budget in x sesz of 3.3 trillion that doesn't amount. this isn't small potatoes. in terms of financial number. but in terms of returning to regular order,nd establishing a budget for two years, after successive continuing resolutions that make a mockery

of the budget process, this is a very big deal, isn't it? >> it is really a big deal and i'm in a season of public service. this is really the first time that i have really felt that i could come home and come before this incredible district tho serve. so we have a lot of defense contractors and this isn't just protect the home base here, lou. i have the privilege of working with our general. i told my colleagues the day we were wrestling with this, if you're inclined to vote no, i said come with me and hear the direct and very real damage that can continuing resolutions combined with sequestration are doing to our military and the fiscal consertive, i said let's get back on regular order here and get on to mandatory spending.

>> and what is your reaction, congressman, and your thoughts and your concerns in the cost of living benefits for retiri military personnel under the age of 62? the provision that would cut benefits. >> lou i answered the question today, i was talking to a group of our ship repair folks, no morehan 200 people in the room, the very last question was on this, i knew that this question was coming and i told my colleagues, my republican colleagues that we're going to have to wstle with this, because it's a reduction, what's not being shared in the media, when the service member does reach 62, that cost of living increa increase where they didn't participate for all of these years pontially, they get caught up at the age of 62. wounded warriors, there's no reduction.

there's reduction of 1%. flation minus 1%. it's a difficult decision, lou. that's why it was not easy for to vote for this. i pulled this voting card in my coat pocket out, i have a oice, green for yes or red for no, this isn't i wish i had a different choice button there. i looked at the sum of all of this, what's important here, lou, now we're going to return to regular order, there's not excuse for any member of congress, republican or democrat, to get back on mandatory. >> fair enough. any excuse for the republicans or the democrats to put the country and the politics of capitol hill in position to shut down the government after the new year as you move to the next issue is the debt ceiling? >> i struggle with thiss a businessman, i'm still an owner of a business, it ally deeply

affect our business if we went into any kind of default, but at the same time, i don't want to enable what i so despise, it's moral. the direction we're going. >> i understand. but people are just outright sick of seeing the republic party and in each case it's been the republican party has had the choice. you have shown greatjudgment, i think a level, good-headed common sense in dealing with what's symbolic numbers but return to order. surely you're not telling me the republican leadership would throw that all away on the debt ceiling, why not go to the polls with your arguments and stop this nonsense? >> here we go, lou, we're right on track, i think any candidate, an uncome bent or a new

candidate, they need to be asked, what specally do you propose to get mandatory spending? don't let those candidates get away from that difficult question that's got to be answered. >> that question can't be posed until next november. i'm asking you right now, is your leadership committed of to avoiding a shutdown of the government again? >> yes, they are. what we need to do -- >> i'm going to take what we can. in the time we're alotted. >> i understand. i understand. we shouldn't shut the government down at the same time, lou, we got -- >> i would urge the republicans, get out and get a ground game going and move some voters to the polls, because that's where the answers lie not in parliamentary maneuvers, i applaud the republican leadership for moving forward in

this direction and specifically, congressman paul ryan who pulled out the -- >> i was proud of him. >> i won't be very proud if it % results in another shutdown in the debt ceiling, congressman. >> i don't think that's going to happen, lou. i don't. >> we'll take that as assurance and it's welcome. >> congressman, thank you. >> thank you so much. up next, the tea party, well, they say that john bey ne declared war on them. we'll be talking with former republican national committee chairman mike duncan about john boehn boehner's job security and by the way, how is the war on coal going? not as well as the president might like.

the internet is having a lot of fun with the president after the president holding this card, encouraging young people to get covered with obamacare, because quote, nobody should go broke just because they get sick, end quote. it has been photo shopped dozen of times. it's a ubiquitous across the web. obamacare canceled the plan that you had and liked. and the national republican congressional committee, also, participating, creating a version with the president holding a card, reading hashtag don't wor. because i got a trillion coin to fix all this. the tea party is in an all-out war with house speaker john boehner, for whatever reason, he decided to start the feud, escalated it yesterday.

saying some groups lost all credibility. tea part y favorites fired back. saying, boehner delivered what they call a smug rant. joining us now to talk about the not socivil war within the republican party and much more, mike duncan, the former chairman of the republican national committee, he n heads up of the american coalition for clean coal electricity. great to have you here. this president has declared war on not only fossil fuels but coal in particular, he says if you own coal and if you got any plans for coals, you're out of business. you're having kwiemt a different experience sf. >> coal is alive and well in the united states. parts of the country certainly understand feel like they have

been in the war, eastern kentucky, ere we lost over 6,000 jobs in the last go years. >> why in the world is the industry putting up with it, there was a time when you saw people hitting, i mean, getting screwed like this and they stood up for it, you know, and the politiciansad a clear, loud voice, they're just getting rolled here? >> the industry is fighting back, we're fighting back in court and in congress, but congress has bee somewhat dysfunctional, if you win in congress you till have the veto threat. he's taking this through the regulation process, he's using the epa standards and he's getting ready to put out standards for existing coal plants. >> a wearing just evebody out with the epa. you have cleaned up your act. you're using it in much cleaner fashion and yet the epa says,

the hell with you. >> the last 90% of the particles have been removed from coal in this country. coal is affordable, reliable and increasingly clean. >> congress, it's getting interesting right now. speaker boehner attacking the tea party, specific heritage action, the club for growth, these outfits, freedom works, what's going on, your party is starting to show some grit, some life, and some spark? i kind of like it to be honest with you. >> we' only one good candida away from the president of the united states from hing unity within our party. we're having a free throw of ideas, we're bringing more people into the party. >> but there seems to b a negative. when the speaker decides he's going to shut down a wing, and

you know, they're saying a war has been declared, meanwhile, i don't see what the alternative was to what boehner and rya did. and byhe way, i support fully the tea party, i think they're one of the strongest and most vibrant expressions of this country. so, what is your view here? >> i support a big ten. i also understand and expect government to work. that's what you saw in the house this time and i think you'll see that in the senate. it may be a different process. but the ammrican people want us to have a budget. >> more deliberate, are you kidding me? you got to be kidding. mike, i got to tell you, there's nothing dlib ra tif about it. the leadership on the immigration reform and the republican leadership in the house -- the senate has screwed up everything they have touched.

they're acting, i think, bizarrely, don't you? >> i think we'll get a budget. the american people want the government to work. >> all right. mike duncan, good to have you. >> thank you. >> win that war. >> we're working on that. we would like to tag ake a moment to give you a sneak preview of this book it's called "june heefl" winning back the country by empowering ideas. this new book, it debuts on january 7th. it is now available for preorders online, beat the holiday rush, be the first in 2014, to get to amazon, to any one of the bookstores in your neighborhood, to order jt upheaval". we're coming right back. stay with us.

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the wash tone postfact checker today released today its top ten lies of year, that's a lot of lies. we thought because it's television we would bring you the five worst, let's start with number five, 5, president obama's claim that the day after benghazi he personally acknowledged that it was an act of terrorism, not so much. and number four, darrell issa, his claim that then secretary of state hillary clinton had signed a cable in 2012 ordering a drawdown of security for the consulate in libya, not so. number the three, reasse reasserting himself that the claim the capitol hill january tors would be getting a pay cut

when the sequester kicked in, fox news contributor pat cadel.

and former member of brad blakeman. would president -- would president bush ever three out of five? what would you sayis record would have been? >> well, i don't think he would% have a record anywhere close? because president bush didn't lie in order to use it to get anything done. this president's inducement on obamacare was said on several lies, you can keep your doctor in affordable health care. the youth see the value in signing up, these are not merely misstatements, these are lies. when the president is not lying he's exceeding his authority. >> pat, this washington post story i thought it was a blockbuster over the years, carrying out policies that

they've thought would be too controversial and uld not to the benefit of the president during an election year. >> yes, well, the most trsparent administration is one of the most manipulative since richard nixon if you like your plan or doctor you can keep it probably the biggest lie of this century, and it speaks to everything they have done on health care and regulatio whicis we'll fool the people the main stream press for the most part, they'll let us get away with it and we'll lie our heads off if we want and that's what politics in government has come down. >> how much trouble is this president in now? focuses on administration that is described as ethically squalid, it's almost

imcomprehensive of their conduct, your thoughts on where they go from here? >> their idea, the bond of trust is broken and i believe the lie which could have been the lie of any last four years, because you say, he's been saying it all along, you can keep your plan, once that bond of trust is broken, it seems to me that it's very hard to take the president at his word on anything, that's what we teach our children. if you lie, no one will trust you again. if you can't spell,o one wll trust your facts. when the penalty of the united states says things that are untrue, why should we believe him on iran or the next budget or anything? >> and we'll be taking that point in just a moment. the my len yals, in the two latest polls, the my len yals are abandoning thisresident at a dramatic rate.

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google acquiring the company of animal-like machines supplied to our military, look at this thing, it's extraordinary, boston dynamics is google's latest acquisition in a string of mysterious robotic initiatives led by android chief andy rubin, nearly 23,000 robots valued $1.5 billion sold to north american companies last year. you thought we were talking about the future, it's here. certainly in google's future. brad, your party taking on the te party, your establishment,

paul ryan, even, being careless with his rhetoric, you know, once considered to be at the forefront of the tea party, what are you guys trying to do to yourself. >> we should be trying to unite. some of us to be govern in a world that they wish it to be, but we have a divided government, we got to rule in reality, this budget deal may not be the best but it's a step in the right direction, getting back to regular order. >> i agree with you. i agree with you. but what i don't understand is sort of the condescending and nasty attitude on the part of karl roves, the paul ryans and michigan mcconnells, they're talking to fellow citizens, fellow republicans and i got to tell you, they look like fools when they do that.

these people weren't smart in 2012 and they haven't learned a damn thing in 2013. >> look, we can't be eating our own. we need toeuniting. in 2014, united we stand, divided we fall, makes no -- you have point it out, lou, it makes no sense to vilify your own, we have enough ammunition against the democrats, let's unite and be successful in 2014. >> what do you think, mike, any more effective than they have been? >> i suspect some of this lou is personal. there's a lot of personal bad blood. some of the groups have been criticizing him personally by going after the republican caucus, paul ryan probably feels, too. >> they're sensitive, aren't they? michael, that's too bad. >> but i do think -- we should never discount the personnels.

>> i am not discounting it. taking it all personally. my goodness. >> our rulers and our rulers have a sensitivity problem, because after all, nothing is worse is watching the other party. >> for the republican or democrat? >> that's right. nothing worse than watching the political leads of both parties contend the lead. the benghazi thing the administration has lead from day one about this. john boehner who has it in his power, refuses to have select committee x, why, because god only knows why. it's this washington inside game. we have a regular order budget. we have no real deficit cuts. the tea party, for all of their problems, they're right about one thing, american people are

as mad as hell. >> mad as hell, but seemingly paive as hell. i can't a time when the issues were bigger, working men and women in this country were in greater jeopardy as a result of the policies oboth parties. i'm talking about the outsourcing of jobs. >> absolutely. >> i mean, you go through the list. it's disgusting. and here we are. we'll continue this. it's great to see you, pat. thanks for being here. brad, thank you, sir. michael, good to have you here. the stunning reasons why our prison system so expensive and provides perks and punishing views. ♪ [ male announcer ] if we could see energy... what would we see? ♪

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turning now to our turning now to our failing correctional system, our next guest who was here two weeks

ago, when we first started talking with him aboutis idea of punishment. here to continue our conversation, the fundamental credo of let the punish fit the crime. pressor of law at new york law school and the author of the important book, "the death of punishment punishment." you have spent how many days, to see some of the facilities that are available to some o our prisoners, some of the video of the places where robert has been, i mean, running shoes, prison in oklahoma that advertises world's largest prison rodeo, i mean, what in the world has become of our prison system. >> well, hasn't become of our prison systtm is an instrument

of justice. not so offensive to have these facilities but they're inappropriate in any facility, i think, but the fact is, these we don't make that discrimination and that convicted murderers who are well behaved inside can get transferred to parts of the prison that you can see and mock the very idea of justice. >> good time for a rapist or murderer, this is -- how does all of this begin? you know, sheriff joe arpa, out in arizona, had pink jump suits or has pink jump suits for prisoners, he doesn't give them any meal beyond a sandwich for lunch and he's considered to be a very harsh and hard character for so doing, how do we get to a point that's become an entertainment land for many? >> well, justice stops at the

prison door, that's the irony, that's where it's supposed to start, but where it's supposed to be stop. but the essence of punishment is the daily experience of it. and so, what we have our facilities that don't discriminate based on the nature of the crime, they only discriminate how they behave once you are there. >> the author of this book, as we listen to you, do you believe in capital punishment? >> i do. >> based on the nuer of people, how do they kill people? >> aristotle found in the extremes. the attitude in which he kills.

there are the sadistic serial killers in applying pain to their victims. the callous who don't take any pleasure or don't care. i spent time with people who with shooters who mow everyone down on the street. when you shot, did you think that there was a whole group there? you would be killing people whose mothers, children, uld be grieving? and they paused. the love between us was palpable. one of them i can't repeat on the air and the other one said, shouldn't have gotten in the way of my bullet? that's a coldness. one part of it is the measurement, the attitude and the other is, as you point out is the consequence, those who

are multiple killers one killed with intent, premeditation. capital punishment. >> premeditation isn't the issue. a great thinker on this issue pointed out that, an abused wife can -- can mull it over, she can't escape with her kids, she kills her children. someone sees a child fishing off the bridge, spontaneously, for sport, pushes him off to watch him struggle and drown. the premeditated kifrl, the abused spouse is les deserving of punishment. premeditation isn't the issue. it's either sadistic satisfaction or the vulnerability of the victims.

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house minority leader nancy pelosi speaking out yesterday against the deportation of illegal immigrants in an interview with telemundo pelosi said quote, our view of the law is if somebody's here without sufficient documentation that's not reason for deportation. if someone has broken the law or committed a felony or something, that is a different story. that big sign language at nelson pandela's funeral service, was among a mob of people who accosted two people and burned them to death. he never stood trial because authorities determined that he was not mentally fit. that appears to occurred more than once. a new report by northwestern

university lidging chronic marijuana to brain abnormalities similar to schizophrenia. the defects last at least a few years after people stop using the drug. y next guest taking on both republicans and democrats in her brand-new show, airing at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on the fox business network, joining us now, host of the independent. kennedy. >> you have been so sweet. our offices are right next door to each other. >> we're glad to have you in the neighborhood. >> thank you. >> you're a delight. you got a terrific show. sinci am a registered independent, i'm sort of pulling for you. >> lot of people out there i think share your views. you have a lot of fans, you make sense. so many people out there going

issue by issue. and we welcome them, every night, for a nice discussion. >> now, your show, i mean you're talking about many of the same issues, you're talking about a president that has lied over the course of four years, you're talking about a republican party that can't win an election it seems, at least a presidential election, certainly hasn't for the last two and doesn't understand what a ground operation is, how do you deal with those issues? >> we tend not to not think about them in party terms. people have been doing for so long. growing up what do the republicans say? who do i agree with? one side or the other. and you know, i found living in southern california, there are so many people who go issue by issue and their views change. whether it's immigration or health care and you know, thinking about what is within the scope of government. and oftentimes as you're

political mros my evolves that scope narrows. that's fine. >> southern california, an entirely reasonable place to live. in fact, it had 13 -- over 13% in taxes, sales taxes, income taxes. i mean, it's a pretty striking place -- >> which is what makes people so independent. they see this government regulation working against them in their daily cisions. lot of the regulation in california directly affects the poor. so if you consider yourself a robin hood populous, you shou be a libertarian. not part of the libertarian party. but you want less government. i celebrate that. >> you know, celebrating it, you've got a lot of company, fewer people than ever, at least in recent history, are now

selfdentifying as republicans, just a few more are self-ideifying as democrats. and some self-identifying as independents. >> young people are leaving obama. >> can you believe the millennials? >> he was never really there for them to begin with, and he always took the youth vote for granted. but you're looking at a group of people who have such incredible easy access to information and when ideas reach critical mass, they all know about it instantly. >> thank you, kennedy. come back soon. >>thank you. >> "the independents." monday through wednesday, friday, right here. up next, he played ralphie

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one of the most iconic christmas films making its way to the broadway stage, of course, "a christmas story:the musical" it continues i tour this week at madison square garden. peter billingsley, 30 years ago, is now a successful broadway and hollywood producer and w're delighted to have you here, and this is terrific. you associated yourself with so many great stories and successes. how does it feel to continue to move a christmas story into,

well, into broadway and into lives of so many people. >> it's really gratifying. e 30th year since it came out. it was a little film. nobody wanted to make it. it took 12 years to get it off the ground. it didn't make a lot of money. >> really? >> no. >> i got an entire -- i suspect a lot of folks at home, i have entirely different perfect tif >> because it plays every year. tbs runs this 24-hour marathon of it. and none of it imaginedt cou have come here. over the years, people, maybe you remake it. don't remake good movies. . the notion of a musical was really intriguing. it follows the tone. we take big musical set pieces

from iconic scenes from the fill zblm broadway a big success for you. >> yes. >> i mean, what is the secret, i mean, you know, there are a lot of folks in iconic movies who go on and don't do much in show business, you have done immensely well in every medium you push, what is the secret? >> well, you know, it's true. i had a really good family and that was honestly the key and i was raised very well and i had an incredible experience getting a chance to work on things. it was always viewed as a privilege. it turned into a business now. disney, nickolodeon generation. i started doing commercials. >> having fun, always seems to me, is an importa thing to

anything. >> it is. >> you said the movie wasn't particular particularly that successful then, you must have made money with those reruns? >> no. those contracts. those residuals are from that time before cable. i get the joy of getting watch the film over and over again. now i get the joy of producing the musical. we're in our fifth year. we were nominated for three tonys last year. it's a very high-quality show. we enjoy it. >> we really, really recommend you see the musical. it's spectacular and we're delighted to see you. and i think you may have just given us to remake a very good movie. you must consider those residuals that don't come. >> update the contract first. >> that's right.

>> thanks so much. >> thankou for having me. >> all the best. "a christmas story:the musical" running at madison square garden for three weeks, don't misstctctctctctctctctcap. take your cyanide and gunite. if you wake up we will see you tomorrow. ♪ john: it is the season of giving. so where should you give? should you give this man money? what about this man? >> thank you. john: actually, that's me. don't give money to beggars like me. governments must spend more. >> medicare, medicaid, social security. john: this government really helps the poor. >> everybody in cleveland. >> by any measurement this is not working. john: i am glad more people figure that out. >> commerce, entrepreneurial capitalism takes more peopleut of poverty. john: even some in the mainstream media.