neil: this is a relief, healthcare is note costing americans their job, it is liberating them from their jobs, how would you like that to be the your next markets campaign. so costly more than 2 million americans lose their jobs in next 7 years, we're looking at it the wrong way, they are not tossed they are liberated. this from nancy pelosi, escape job loss, situation where workers remain tied to employers

for access to health insurance benefits, now is it good news worker haves been unshackled from this worry? even as they have been unshackled twred from their jobs, is she serious? she is. this is about some democrats escaping reality. welcome i am neil cavuto. wow. say this about nancy pelosi and barack obama. anmany other prominent democrats, including maryland democrat chrisman holland yesterday. think about it computer glitches, ive it time, young people not signing up, imef th give them time, now all these folks lose their job, it is about time. one more time? actually saying that it is a good thing when average folks

lose l their job or an economic incentive if they have no incentive to work, that is crazy, that is twisting math. hois that for makg a varity true out of something so economically via. and credits food stamps for boosting the gdp, food for thought, nuts! this is not about being positive, this is nuts, this is showing the entire world, you washington, are havases. but -- half-ass. but, transitions to heal care not being tossed from your health care, who said this is transitioning into the twilight

zone? larry, picture if you will, totally cluely politicians, saying job losses for befits. >> you know, somebody admitted to me they were truth challenged. i said, so, you are just a liar, this is. the same thing, you start making up funny words because you are backed against a wall, you need to beeware. now government is making up funny words like we've been liberated from our jobs, this is straight up job loss, which is never good no matter spin it. i have a couple people writing me saying i was just liberated from a full time job to 29 hours, they are mad about it and they should be. neil: if life gives you lem

opens you make lem ed that, that is what democrats appear to be doing, saying this is good for workers. healthcare is there that is how it was explained but it is what it is, weird. >> right, this not lem op aid from lemons -- lemonade in lemons tre is praying there is liquid left in a rotten rind. this is not just people involved in politics. every day working americans are looking straight through their going, holy cow. you are saying that last few years of joblessness has been for our benefit. to spend more time with our families, now we lose 2.3 million jobs people will be forced out because of obamacare, all of a sudden we have free time with our families, thank you, obama, that does not sound like a winning solution. neil: you heard holland saying it will bring the unemployment rate down, it was somehow able

to women that out of the -- from the cbo saying that, unemployment rate economy down but it will come down with fewer people willing to be in workforce or quitting workforce or thinking they some -- don't have to bother in the workforce. >> i was sitting in study yoi, you said the right word, marketing, this has nothing to do with what is actually happening or what people' to happen. it is how they want to control what is happening, you know victor controls o writes the history, if you want to be the victory you control the words, people are using marketing technique to take a product or service and manipulate the audience to think they are getting what they want. neil: that is very well put, larry, i was thinking about, if you don't top report t pad news, you either refrain the bad news or don't mention it, and focus on good, almost everyone

cangree with you like this healthcare law. not covering preexisting conditions is a good thing. keeping kids on your policy until they are 26, is good thing, unless you hate your kid, the devil is in the details and paying for it, that is something aot ofemocrat are pushing down cost issue, and focussing on goody issue, they are playing up front to bruce's ., the goodies issue right in. >> you are right. i think what we have to do is move beyond all of this, and forget the message, and forget marketing and go for a moment to messenger, we have remember who is telling us that stuff. -- if success coach comes to you, and says i'll teach you how to be successful, ignore the fact that i'm fat, broke and lazy, listen to me, i have the answer. that is the case hire, we have a government that is fat, broke and lazy. neil: fat is colorically

challenge. -- caloriicly challenged. if you can refrain this in eyes of public. what appears to be the case is not the case, ts good stuff, people losing their jobs is a good thing. opening' freedom time for them, you can only did so far with that. >> i don't know how you can convince people of that, any time this issue is pulled people say jobs is their number one concern. now you tell them it is okay they are leaving their jobs, this makeso septs, and presidens sense, and -- no sense, and president does not believe this, do you think he is saying this is a good talking . pointx. >!! point . >> that what happens with every product, you bridge it on with a badge, things happen that you

can't connrol then you have to control the messaging, what larry said we have to lock at government who is putting this message out that is the lesson, that we have to see what is going on. and see it is not a matter of if is marketed, not marketed, you need to know it all being marketed. the question is how do you discern the truth. >> amazing thank you all. we live in a different world. neil: this is kind of stuff those crazy tea parties were warning about, no wonder why they are raising so uch money, not even republican's biggest star with raise anything close. ♪

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neil: pretty soon we'll know whether chris christie still got the juice, he is raising money for republican governors a wanna-be republican governors, his first big chore as head of republican governor's association, never mind christie can prove his democratic sceptics wrong, can he prove his own party's sceptics wrong, including earnings ones,

including tea party, a big fundraiser for mt romney in within 12. -- in 2012, how does it look in. >> the biggest issue we have neil we don't have a candidate. with what is going on with chris christie. you want a wide open field, have you split parties, and democrats are not struggling with this issue that the republicans are right now 92 i don't think it is such a slamdunk that hillary clinton is their gnome ni, i hear from other what you are sayi, you don't have a candidate, the one you had as a proven fundraiser, chris christie is in a heap trouble. >> it would affect anyone, in the middle of an investigation work he to get a candidate this year, there is a lot of to do. neil: this year? >> for 2016. 16. neil: really? >> i think in 15 it is too

late. neil: that almost rules out any dark horse emerging, they have to have money right away. >> there a lot of money out of tea parties and conservatives away from republican establish am groups, last year i think there w $20illion raised from tea party groups, opposed to under $8 million. neil: i think tea party groups are raising it for a cause, not a can date, the others -- candidate, the others raise for a candidate not so much a cause. >> well you know, it is difficult, folks with the money want to see change in government. and so they are willing to raise money, put it together, and find the right candidate, but, when you have many of those factions going on the same time it diverts a lot of the folks and capital that should be put

behind one particular candidate to get him to the forefront, and make this a good race. neil: you interpret money that tea party group are raising as not republican-friendly, you could look at both fundraising efforts together, republican, mainstream, and tea party all good for party. >> you look at numbers 2013 you have two thirds of fundraising nontraditional establish am fundraising, we need a candidate. neil: short of a candidate. tea partiers keep raising the dough, and other guys do not. >> and moneys that are raiseed and spent is between candidates, as opposed to between parties. at the back-end of the election. neil: chris christie and the money he is raising will not be as much as he could have raised before this bdgegate scandal. >> a lot of folks top see the

candidate get to the finish line. neil: remarkable, the money guys' immediate results, can't blame you, michael thank you very much. >> in the meantime, chaves is getting rid of -- cvs is getting rid of to be products, congress wants to do one better, ban the whole thing that gets you off of products in u.s. capitol.

neil: what is difference between banning cigarettes and e-cigarettes to some in congress no difference, march armany are pushing a ban on

ecigarettes in capital. >> your thoughts. >> does not seem they are doing anyone harm. >> are you o10e offended who people smoke ecigarettes in public. >> they should legalize smoking again. >> they should be encouraged to do whatever it takes to quit. >> people can do what they want. >> government has to allow people to have choice there not really in favor of major regulations there defensive is,. neil: last dude worries moo, to rick unger who uses ecigarettes and digital dopple digital doppledee dee dee what she makes of this, if you big cap cigarettes -- ifou ban cigarettes eyou should ban e-cigarettes, because it is still nicotine.

it is vapor but still nicotine, if you ban one, ban the other. neil: you smoke e-cigarettes. >> a little thought to what dee dee said, you are wrong. that smells like garbage. neil: that gets you off cigarettes is that the idea in. >> it gives you the sensation that people' so much and gives you nicotine 92 it does give you nick find. >> but nicotine the things are that bad for new cigarettes. >> nicotine. >> are tars the cause cancer and heart problem, but what amazing me the most, did i just hear dee dee support government regulation? >> no,. neil: he does raise a good . >> you care for his health? >> i do care, but look -- listen. nicotine is bad t. neil: so is caffeine. >> not like nicotine though.

>> it's the same. >> it is addictive like caffeine is. neil: can you sme the smoke. >> yes, it is disgusting. >> it is water vapor. neil: you can smell it. >> yes, it's gross. everyone says what is really in there, if i get happy rear. what if people don't want to smell it i don't like it. >> i don't like it. . >> i don't like it. neil: has had gotten you to cur mail regula curtail cigarette use in. >> i quit smoking many years ago, i smoked nicorette gum, but this gives me the same -- >> this is not as offensive as , but this is still- it new.

>> it's all new. >> they will kill you one day worse? neil: if republicans are all about you know you have a chase, and no one should be you know coming down on you, and anvil telling what you to do not to do, you should welcome it. >> where is libertarian dee dee today. >> whatever affects you, you can smoke all day every day in you home. neil: even though he looks ridiculous doing it. >> what are you talking about 92. neil: likes like you are smoking a marker. >> like we win ston how ill 3 rome. >> i smoked cigarettes as a kid,

this would not have stopped me from going to a cigarette if that is what i wanted. neil: i can't believe i'm agreeing with him, i will say, anything that can get him off cigarettes and more people use this, use it to get off cigarettes than in cigarettes is that good? >> i understand that, this is better than cigarettes but young people 92 wait, i'm saying about congress, congress is extending your life. >> i'm back in your corner this one. >> i was getting worried. >> what would you have to -- who would you have to kick around. >> i think this is not a good thing. nicotine is habit forming. >> you get nicotine this way without all tars, and horrible things in cigarettes it is gross and disgusting. >> it is not. >> i think that congress should have more to worry about than

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>> if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. >> you said no cooruption. >> none. >> there were bone-headed decisions. >> not even a smimo smidgeon of corruption. neil: so what president obama told bill o'reilly there was not a smidgen of corruption in the irs, how does he know? his investigation is still not over be we know that number is over the top. six00 conservatives singled -

-- >> 600 conservatives, what do you make of it in. >> absolutely, it is inyesterdayible really, there always a scapegoat, always, be it benghazi, and susan rice, and healthcare and kathleen sebelius, and irs and lows lerner, he is blaming overly complicate the bureaucratic rules for tgeting of tea party groups, there is always a fall man, but crazy enough no one gets fired. this is what wee see this is a pattern, never an apology. neil: i would say, let's wait to see what your own investigation you called for finds out. otherwise you look stupid, so, highly confident tt they won't find and krupp which u corruption here. let them get to bottom of it, but he is more or less, prluding a study that has not been done that makes me think, he knows where there is going or this investigation is not

serious. >> you are right. it is both i think. and you think back to fact that 41 wents have not given their -- witnesses he not given their testimony, lerner pleaded the fifth, we heard nothing from the justice department, yet obama said there is not a smidgen of corruption, no judge in america would declare a verdict before the closing of the trial this very suspicious, and emails in congress make it more suspicious, what is going on? there is a lot more than a smim edge o smidgen of corruption. neil: to go after conservatives, and those shear numbers, at top. showing close to 600 conservvtive groups targeted versus 6 on liber side, the numbers alone indicate a pattern, of targeting that

cannot be ignored, they are not accidental. >> neil, you mentioned e-mails that is interesting, since 1959, there have been a set of rules in place, they are by which you get tax exempt status, every president sinciz eisenhower has used them without any problem, so now president obama said these are the problem with tea party targets and have to be changed. however, these e-mails, exposed these are plans that were devised in 2011 in e-mails that lois lerner was a party to, there is a huge question mark, i am glad congress is seemingly getting to the bottom of it 92 i am also glad at least president acknowledges, that a couple of bone headed moves, that is the first i heard him describe, who happened here in a dpairagey tone. it is acknowledging, you had

bone heads, but what worries me is a lot of the bone heads have not gone, if you acknowledge have you bone-headed dudes working for you, the better part of valor would be get rid of the dudes. >> ifbama of wise he would look to the person his justice department is investigating, chris christie, apologiz, and fire people, and take action. >> i don't think that christie is out of the woods either, but you have to be proactive in these, caylee thank you very much. >> thank you neil. neil: you know, it not fun whht your debt or credit card gets hacked but imagine if all your health care private roar records get hacks, it could be your worse personal nightmare, likely ear than you think too. welcome back. how is everything?

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neil: attention target customers and mimi chung customers and neiman marcus customers, i know you are all ticked some of your cards got breached but count your lucky stars more personal stuff did not. at lt yet. because far bigger than the stuff that happened to you, is the stuff that could happen to ma more. maybe you to. not folks banking records getting in wrong hands but health records, getting into everyone's hands. imagine your boss or your colleagues or whole medical history for the whole world to see, that rash? think it can't happen. what if i cold thank you already is, cyberattacks are skyrocketing and health care data is the biggest target. the doctor said that your doctor-patient relationship what

what hangs in the balance. >> this is so real, aad as a doctor, i will tell you, that anybody tt is listening today, should be really concerned about what you just said, cret card statements or one thing, but what you talk about the the 6 -- sacred nesness of the doctor-patient relationship, and how confidential that information is and how many has been violated and how much information has been release, it is so scary that the market ni tneeds to be on alert, amount of the data we're up leashing right now -- unleashing right now is start eling. the aim of control and security that we have, is nowhere near to where it has to be to prevent the nightmares from happening. it is very frighten nothing in healthcare law itself,. neil: in health care law itself

do we take an erah effort to make sure it's under log and key or with so many parties shares it, it could get out there. >> it both of these. does need to be under tighter lock and key. and there needs to be more training and attention to what people have to do in terms of how they hane sensitive data. it is still all over the map, whether you look at nurses in the hospital, or administrators pooors or people had doctor's osts there are a lot of unskilled people who manage a lot of sensitive data. neil: how does this slip out? i go do see my doctor, he just filed my latest scan, then, does it come out at radio gist office or a problem with process. where? >> well, the biggest area of

information getting out is actually been when nurses cut and paste information in hospitals, and they take information out of your medical record, then try to put it another record, if you look at some of the areas you talk about, that is often one of the biggest areas, but. the problem is, is that you have to have somebody auditing the records all of time to look at where there are security breaches, that does happen enough of the time. neil: here is my worry, we just did a segment in irs, and ever getting to bottom of targeting conservatives, but if you have a political agenda there is nothing better than digging up your opponent's medical records and make taking them out of context or a psychologist visit and run with it. >> look at number of people, the navigators helping people in terms of picking insurance, and number of people that are still not trained well, that are on

the front line, trying to g people to the system, and aim of personnel information that is flowing will keep flowing it is not a matter if it is going to happen, it is a matter of when it is going to happen, and how telecom pound, in last year. the number has grown, looking at number of contractor, and how many people are worng on healting on while healthcare.gov or elements electronic medical records or the exchanges, it is a circus, financial systems are you know been around a lot longer. neil: you are right that is scary, thank you are doctor. >> thank you. neil: meanwhile doesice president biden sound like president biden here. >> god rest her soul, oh, she is wait, your mom is till alive still alive circumstance your dad passed? -- alive, is your dad passed. >> unchain wall street.

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>> i still know how to pronounce the word union. you led the way, you were the ones that took a bet on me, you never left me, i never left you 92 now, . neil: now, i have no doubt that joe biden is running for president of the united states, no matter what hillary clinton thinks or does, i am talking unions who are still chaffed over her husband's trade

agreement with nafta. more with whether old joe is opening an old wound. >> he is thinking about it, no doubt, he is not ruling out possibility of running in 2016, that is a long way off, he is courting the liberal base, if he is going to take on hillary clinton, he will have to get a lot of unions on his side, that is an uphill battle. but hillary clinton, you know her numbers hav taken hits, and i am sure biden people have watched it yeah, is he preparing for it? absolutely. neil: i think it is interesting that most vocal at a gathering of union, this is a crowd that i can rember, when nafta came about, andill spadea was you know carving out -- bill clinton said that they were going to hurt american jobs, now, you can make argument that did not happen, they argue a lot of core union jobs and salaries and

benefits went down since then. and they look back to those agreements that started the ball rolling, they still have wons. they look i think to hillary clinton, as partly contributor to those wounds. >> yeah, no, i think that is right. but one thing they have to watch out for is hillary clinton such a front-runner now they probably will not come out in support of biden just because, remember, you know hillary had a hit list in 2008, an enemy's list, you don't want to get on her bad side. neil: there is something to, that but i think, what is going on, vice president, is hedging his bets, saying, i don't know how old he and i think about 112 or 113, but what does he got to lose in. to? >> that is why he is going out and he remembers obama strategy, part of reason that obama won democrat nomination because he is union support. you hit the nail on the head,

unite, steam steres, and uaw are a part of that. because of nafta. neil: that is concern that the party might be moderating, some more liberal elements reflects through names warren and mallory. they are going to let their -- this is note a slamdunk, and into that void enters vice president. >> true, you had quote at beginning of biden saying he knows how to pronounce union, the second part is him saying a lot of politicians talk about workers be he doesn't talk about workers he talks about union, h is doing that he knows why his bread is buttered, he know he will serve this about 11 hers of th11% of the work force and

giveim special treatment, he knows they will politically come out and support him, i first heard to this story, i heard that biden was talking about uaw contributing to his success, i wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, and talking about growing up in middle class, but tongue in cheek, i thought maybe political support, guess what? he was. if nothing else give him credidi for being honest 9. neil: i heard, a can pronounce union, i thought that is not a big leap, i can pronounce union, i let that one go. but what was he saying there? was he -- there was any valued slap at hillary clinton or through bill clinton or what? >> i mean, yeah, i think that clintons probably are looking anding that same question -- and asking that same question, he has to differentiate himself from hillary clinton, i think that hillary clinton will be

challenged from the left, no doubt, we have talked to people whon 't a primary challenge. -- who want a primary challenge. 71 on the left, they don like her vote on the iraq war or her paid speeches on wall street type, there is some distrust of her from the lift, but problem with biden, obama is trying to push a tradeeal that labor does not like, and he voted for the iraq war too. >> the other element in the room, alleged affairs with clinton and you know rand paul wants to make an issue of bill clinton a fill answer fill an anderring and work pce harassment does that hurt her in. >> you know it, may, but it sill a leap. tracking hud band to wife -- husband that leaves a bad taste

in your mouth. neil: might be more sympathy for her. >> it might, right. but, you know, i'm not one to make predicts, not sure which way union endorsements go but most late night comed yap comedians hope that foot in the mouth joe gets elections that is 4 years of beautiful fodder. neil: the idea of bill clinton at first man is great comic material too. >> i think that are rand paul he is looking, i think likely rand paul will run for president, he is looking atepublin nomination, bashing the clinton, and media trement of clinton that plays with the base, he will worry about general elect later, this helps him with the base. >> all right. ,? what is the difference bween a chevy volt, and a toyota prius, they both offer great miles but no one is charged up with the

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neil: it might be time for the plugs in it let this sink in electric car are cool but they don't make much cash as of yet, do not assume americans have given up say on hyrbrids they just prefer only hybrids, cars like prius they combine gas and battery power, americans save on fuel and hasslesf a car you have to remember to plug in so, we kickoff our biz blitz, maybe a lesson on the way to go about fuel economy right, lori, your thoughts? >> so, i did research on this, there are so man of these electric vehicles right now.

there is th leaf, and volt, and new models from cadillac and porsche coming to market. we're almost overwhelmed with choices, this segment of auto market is small, a couple percentage .s, i wonder -- poh, ints. >> i think americans have decided that plug ins, however cool they are. they just like hybrids but they don't like the kind that are exclusively a plug in variety, if i right in. >> well, i think tesla, we'll talk about pizazz it has it, and volt or leaf, i think if a vol crashed into pile of leaf

there worldcom knoll not even be a fire, no one cares about these. january sales are awful, for the le are down about 50%, it is note the weather they are un eventful 92. neil: but hybrids are not, they are much more popular in. >> they are, they generate such good and bad press. you mentioned tesla, not so hot, with some fires. that hurt the share price, cost a lot of people to raise eyebrows and the tesla strategy, and you know idea with tesla in and of itself. neil: it is a beautiful car. in your driveway. i want to switch to a different story, a different plug in getting unplugged at sony, all sony's computer products. company plans to sell them all off, for many sony's model, and

vihave ao -- viao laptop they se it is a dying business. >> a pc is becoming obsolete, it is just a matter of time. they are laying off 5 thousand workers, not grade news for workers -- not great news for the workers. neil: you? >> well, i know that good-bye to the brand, it is about time they dumped it, pcs are falling off the fate face of the earth. about time they jettison this, 1.1 billion loss in end of march fiscal year: so, company having a probl with innovation, and bngs a disrupter, i don't think i would touch the stock in here, maybe a bottom play, but i think it lost

its power to influence people. neil: do you say that for all pc makers or -- the same deal? >> i think that pc market is dying. looking at what alternatives are, beside tablet and smartphones aaditional whether wear ables or what haveou. heading in thatirect. neil: ipad has been a killer, you know unite cap time. -- night cap time, lori? >> one story day tomorrow with january jobs report, so fascinating with market reaction. we've been in such volatile times these days. i will look at react interest rates, if they come up a little bit that could be a solid sign that the economy will pickp. neil: shawn? >> well, i will look at employment numbers, but also workweek, what is average workweek going to be in terms of hours, i hope not shortened

because of weather, and at 3:00, consumer credit, is it could panding or cara contracting 92 a lotf people focus on unemploy rate to what lori referred to, that going down, we continue is for pretty much all of wrong reasons. but trend will be used as a democrat's friend, they will say slowly, but steadily the unemployment rate, 10% is now dipping well to 6s, does that register? >> no, i think more and more people are getting disturbed by fact that reason that rate is coming down because folks are leaving, they are disgusted, they can't find jobs, the numbers going down is telling, i don't think that the general public is looking at number, thinking this is solid, they are questioning the bureau of labor statistics and democrats in terms of what is this, agenda. neil: you agree with that?

>> i think, i think folk are savvy these daysic. we know how to go under the hood. neil: we go under the hood. thank you very much. >> see you tomorrow. >> we need smart regulation. >> we to depend on the federal government. >> try to write laws to protect the public.