terribly run and no accountability and -- let me finish. >> and little guy gets hur. the country -- we have -- like in this country. the right guy gets to the top we don't have that now. right now a corporate leaders are not the right guy. they're the right guy for the fraternity house. neil: i can't get that particular exchange with carl icahn out of my head. he was talking about corporate accountability and the wrong guy for the wrongreason doing the wrong things. i thought to myself he might as

well have been talking about washington. a lot of wrong guys are doing a l of wrong things. pretty much all the time. both parties. we have congress another fight on spending and signing up on the new debt ceiling. can e blame our kids for a pass on responsibility? and so much easier to point it when our youngsest can point to all the adults fingers. a president to blame the health care rollout on a news number. republicans to blame democrats are spending excesses then sign to a trillion dollar farm bill. a former speaker who said the health care law isn't -- it is liberating them from their jobs. i would love to see anyone admit once i screwed up. i never do. the retail ceo who blames the weather for a bad earnings report, the countless ceos who are blaming the health care law for any future hurtings report. please, leave to a corporate to sully the issue of denial from

ceos to doomsday blame to politicians who refuse to take change. a zero accountability line th marches nowhere. aye can was right. it's not right. both republicans and democrats do something right and admit they're wrong. and constant finger pointing is wrong. look, this is enough blame to go around. i prefer they all just get to work. so does swiss america trading chairman. they afraid it is spedding up for a wicked day of trading. i feel a feeling you're not talking about snow and ice. >> it's going to be 80 derees today. we're in good shpe in phoenix. neil: rub it in. >> i love your intro, neil. i have to grasp on something. i did't think about until y t. >> i have to grasp on something. and he said, you know, young

people tend to finger point. i did not have sex with this monica lewinsky. it was alive. he said that i made a mistake and it was a horrible mistake and it was the seminal moment in america's history where the discussion of this with kids in school changed. and you know what i'm talking about. neil: we are going back to money issues. >> i understand. but it lends to the issue of why don't people take responsibility.

let's pull together let's go back to work. let's work these issues out and let's get this thing back on track. that is what has made america great in the past. that is what is going to make us great in the future. but in the meantime we continue to blame them. >> we do. i think what is worrying me is that it has become a political partisan divide what is something that we go back to light after the meltdown of the bank bailouts. and this is sort of like when the pedal hits the metal, you have to own up for your point of view and not pass the buck are to blame. so this is a ramp up against both parties to say, i recognize that you hate each other and i recognize that you blame the other but i think that there is

enough blame to go around and what bothers me is they can't get past that. as a result they quickly signed on to another -- a gut feeling hoping that eventually that they will address the underlying problems as to why there is escalating debt, but they never do. >> what about the millions of mortgage holders who sign and say that they pay their mortgage but stop paying their mortgage or walked away from their homes? some people cannot wear them. but plenty of others just walked away and went on the street and bought another home. instead of in transit and pointing the fingers thing that lets get back to work. he said it when he said let's get back to work. and i guess that we could say that recently we had a little bit of a call maii of the waters in washington and maybe we can work together the i am convinced and you might take issue with me but i don't think mr. obama wants the waters calm but i

think he likes stirring the water and he liked having the controversies. >> that is assuming that the waters are calm. so this goes on and on. it's always a pleasure. thank you so much. >> good to see you. to higher limit. >> republicans don't care. >> democrats and the president. >> how many said i don't know i was watching "fox news" an said it was horrible. >> i think the opponent seems to be the indifference of the republicans. >> republicans decided to sabotage -- >> i ope yo are beginning to g the picture here of his responsible for disfunction. >> they haven't been abe to run the ship. >> did you hear a single one take responsibility for anything? they say the truth urts but constantly lying hurt more. if memory seres me right american are forgiving people. they forgave a new young

president named john kennedy botching something called the bay of pigs. but ronald reagan fessed up to -- to a democrat and republican two each said it's time for both to stop pointing fingers and point to solutions. with me now former economic adviser and former house speaker. dennis, you first. debt ceiling increase. we're dodge bullets. >> absolutely. i go back to the first three years i was speaker. we paid down $6 50,000 of debt. nobody talk abouts that. takes -- you have to sit down and work out a system and name work.

and so you to -- i always said, look, i want to underprompt and overproduce. but you have to set out thre or four thing you want to move forward, move your conference to and get done. and hopefully work with the other body, the senate to agree with that. and try to take it to the senate. now when i had bill clinton we took some things and he vetoed. we took it him to him. he to make a decision. one of the things whre the crime bill and finally had it on. he signed on. neil: i think we are pennsylvania that now. whatever said in here the contempt or just hurt feelings

or just anger is such that one of my family reunion. nobody is taing to each other. [laughter] >> i was thinking when our first kid was just about to be born, my wife's grandpa was 100. and his memory was somewhat gone. he walks in my wife is pregnant and he says who is this? they said this is your granddaughter. and he ses she's pregnant and enfouruated like who is responsible? i am. we're married. he said who is this. that's your granddaughter. what! who is responsible? i feel like we're kind repeang grandpa irving's thing. who is responsible! i disagree with you on the issue of the debt ceiling but i agree with you on the sentiment for many of the practical issues.

neil: i'll mention health care to you. and it sums up a lot of democrats -- and so many others who say you know what is wrong with someone saying we botched it. even if you i'll give the benefit of the doubt nobody was lying but say we did not appreciate the magnitude of the problem. maybe we should have. i didn't hear that i don't know if i will. i know, the president said some thing to that effect. but it might not probably wasn't as ch as what it should have been. when i was in the government, i tried to follow that mantra. if you mess it up apologize and say here is what i did wrong and try to fix it. >> that's why you're not there

anymore. neil: that's what happens to people who speak their minds. you're a fairly straight shooter. you try to work with both sides. maybe you can say within the publican ranks today it's primitive and nastyier. there's a lot of anger and thehe two sides will never get along. government needs to be there t o take care of people. i don't know. >> so that is battle campus rating the day. and you have to start finding

how to solve problems across the aisle. they settle it and resolve in the next election. we'll resolve it in the election after that. we'll see what happens. thank you. >> take a look outside. for much of you nasty weather. what if i told you for the governor and mayor. tch nastier weatherif they neil: even nastier weather if he or she watches it trying to help you. we will have that next. announcer: where can an investor be a name and not a number?

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georgia the governor is facing the second big blast. he better pray he doesn't screw up. last time they botched response left thousand of drivers stranded on highways. somstuck in neil: thousands of drivers stranded, some are stuck in gymnasiums with no one to pick them up. e

been made or unmade by mother nature. sandy did wonders for christie. katrina did wonders for about a president named bush. it's not fair or even right. heart-- hank said it is. who is making early marks for you. or stands out for handling these kind of crisis. >> well, christie did a terrific job. governor cuomo did a terrific job. but snow mayor's job is to keep crime low, sweep the street, and make sure people get services. failure throws the other good ideas out the window. >> had a lot of snostorms. apparently they went -- the ones by me around here are not working as a snow and pile up. and a lot of people predictably blame the mayor or the governor. >> john lindsay was mayor of new york. queens was unhppy. a burrow in the outer burrow.

they never let him forget it. bloomberg was the mayor and it was picked up quickly. it starts to no pun intended pile up. people hav memory about snow and crime. >> when you're the executive you have a real power to send the impression home. it goes beyond weather but how you handle crisis. do any people stand out at the stage in term of the way they handle crises to you or is it too early to tell? >> too early to tell in the new group. we've had hange of mayors around the country. we've had some new people come to office there's an outstanding person. you go back to christie, and cuomo for sandy. no question about that. and that ca't did -- you mention christie handling hurricane and botching it handling the bridge club. >> the problem becomes that ultimately what people expect is for you not get in to trouble.

deliver real services no matter what else you talk about. and to say it's fine. you can be aid listic as long as you want. if streets are dirty nobody cares about your ideology. they care about ow angry they are. >> you reminded us in the past. whatever initial good gradesan be reversed. with sandy that send a lot of that money that governor christiend cuomo ere urging be sent quickly. a lot of it still -- a lot of areas still in great disrepair. so the initial blow they got off their panels of the storm isn't panning out or might not. >> it might not pan out. but people are pretty good in it country. they give people office tremendous leeway. they say thank you for making the effort. they are bottom line. you can have -- you're the one stuck in your car. ideology is great ut get my light on.

get my street clean and mae sure they don't come in my window. you don't get the snow picked up. you're in deep trouble. >> that was -- you have a future in >> i could be in the business. >> thank you very much. in the meantime, the war on poverty come to this. some democrats lay it out. the republicans what support a star? welcome back. how is everything? there's nothing like being your own boss! d my customers are really liking your flat rate shipping. fedex one rate. really makes my life easier. maybe promotion is in order. good news. i got a new title. and a raise? management couldn't make that happen. [ male announcer ] introducing fedex one rate. simple, flat rate shipping with the reliability of fedex. [ male announcer ] how could a luminous protein in jellyfish,

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without extending unemployment insurance. neil: did you hear that? okay. can you say a little over the top here?

[inaudible] blame the other side for starving hungr families gets more than a little over the top. >> it's a poor choice of word there's some real frustration here. i know, jerry. he lives -- his district is adjacent so the one i live in. good guy. good champion for the community. neil: does he hink want republicans want to starve hungry families. >> i don't think so. there's a lotof hard feelings there because, you know, there a lot of folks in his district. i know, his district well. there are people struggling. i think democratare seeing now republicans aren't doing anything to try to help some of the most disadvantaged among us. and these are reports from the census today that says that at least onen three americans are dipping in and out of poverty at multiple cycles. >> and this is isn't the kind of language to get stuff done.

and my fear is that the congressman -- look at the half empty glass. look at the governmentdoing more they signed off on a farm bill that has crap in. he selects and chooses you know what is going on. >> right. it's an easy punch line basically. it's easy to say the other party will starve the people. in fact the democrats want to have a status quo. let's not do anything t the program. keep growing it the cost of the supplemental nutrition assistance program is at the all-time high, i mean, let's get to a point where we have some sort of reform to the program. which is what the republicans. neil: republicans counter? they wrap they -- [inaudible] take feud and afraid to take on the challenge about unemployment benefits and lot of stuff. they sign to the farm bill. they spoke a good game but don't walk it. >> i think it becomes a situation where obviously you

have to democrats and republicans coming together. you have a lot f republicans in mid western states. gleam right. >> they're basically supporting their constituents. sinned it. hy is it all the time that any republican who just wants to sa now we're getting up to one in five americans on food stamp. one out three getting some sort of food assistance. it's such that we are now mozambique we have those. in a timefor us to curve a little bit and -- starving kids. >> think about what happened. the sequester lowered food stamp a lotment. the president signed a food bill. neil: one in three getting food assistance. we were world a third world country. you think. and you can't say the economy is doing great. >> i dot think that at all. >> one in three americans getting food stamp. >> the economy is not doing great. the president said it is fired

up. we didn't go down as far as we could have. bu i don't think we have come up as nearly as much as we should have. and what is concerning to a lot of fols you have the sort of job market. so you have jos -- never use big work. >> sorry. an s.a.t. word. we have a lot of folks making a lot of income. high income earners. those are jobs available for thm. most of the other jbs are low-income earning jobs. neil: what do you think about that? >> i think governor christie said it right. just today where he said it's not shouldn't about income inequality. it should be about income opportunity for americans. not everybody about having the same income or getting to the point. it's hoping for more and creating jobs ad opportunity. president obama where is his job agenda? it's raising the minimum wage. melissa: just cool it in the language. another party is intent on making people starve? >> i'm not talking about income

inequality here. the jobs available. there'so a loof jobs available for, you know, the average -- republicans aren't trying to starve themselves. >> i don't think they are -- [inaudible] you have to do more. so you to -- [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] neil: i wish wead more time. [inaudible conversations] very good. when we come back, the -- they have a new man to repace him. it is ronald mcdonald. ♪ see what's new at projectluna.com

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been contaed by class action lawyers with dollar signs in their eyes and the golden arches in their sights. they want to make fast food this tobacco takedown and their argument goes something like this. all of those quarter pounder is and bacon eaters, they have all made it with a lot of medicaid costs soaring. is any of this even legal? and the packard said yes. kelly says no. >> i think it is ridiculous. people should be accountable for what theyput in their own mouths. to say that these companies force people to eat theifood and gain weight and become ill and become dependent on state systemsfor health care is a preposterous stretch. neil: the difference is there was a known and clear health

hazard and there is a very big distinction. is there not? >> there certainly is. yes, it is a well known factor. neil: absolutely. go ahead. >> of the brilliant slogan and it is true. not everyone can stop that one potato chip or follow the advice on alcohol bottle to drink in moderation. neil: what about a potato chip or a drnk? >> the problem is that these companies have a level of corporate and social responsibility that are knowingly marketing a product that they know is going to be harmful and there's no getting around it. neil:where do you draw the line? i would say to you have to draw the line on apple because they make products that people love. >> that is ridiculous.

apple makes products that people love and it could be an addiction of sorts. it doesn't stand to reason. it's people not taking accountability for their own actions and looking for someone else to foot the bill. >> looking at something that is knowingly unhealthy and causing a lot of health-related concerns that are causing people to be cost a lot of money. neil: anything this will make you obese and make a coly because the medications

especially as to the health effects. the next thing that i worry about is that they will hrm your big mas wrapper and it will be five or more of these that will make you fat. >> and that is the disclosure th people are looking for. neil: the money run, the states will come up short.

>> coming up next, busy bending the truth? >> i think that obama could have done a lot

neil: be like the health care law? >> i have my own opinions, but i don't think the ceo should be the medical provider. neil: giving companies a pass on this health care thing. we're saying that they should pass on providing health care altogether. take the cost of providing health insurance workers or their hands. he seems to be sing that he will have a lot more money and so small-business owner craig says at is going on now is what is crazy.

which esseially had him saying his absolving companies from the burden of having to insure their workers. and that this will actually sav them a freedom of the burden. >> you know, i was shocked with what he said because he is poonting toward government-run health insurance and he's talking about businesses not being involved in providing care to their employees. neil: tat is not their expertise, they should focus on their business, let the smart people do it. i know and you know that it wouldn't be the smart people doing it. but can you explain? >> well, yes. i've been in business for 30 years. in order to get the best employees to stay in business, have to provide great employee benefits. insurance is one of them. and i should be able to do this withot te insurance and

regulations and as a business owner t is a nightmare with what is going to happen. there are coanies who are right aout this and those who may use amacare as an excuse out of necessity. neil: we have awsat and he god-awful sam. >> you have to come up with new incentives and under the free enterprise we ae innovative to come up with new ways to run a business.

but benefits are part of that. and i have always believed in helping my employees and providing them with the best. nnil: you take your benefits, deal with the government, make sure that i give you a new compensation package and maybe tions or whatever. >> is taking away part of the freedom of the employees and freedom for myself to make that type of decision. moreover is the fact that right now if i could get my employees insurance that they could use, that is great and right now the wait is that they only get through this bause of the regulations. but we are going in the wrong direction and carl is pointing us in the wrong direction. which will be a disaster for the health care system in america. neil: thank you, my friend.

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neil: paula deen out of the frying pan. betting $100 million that she will be cooking once again. she ventures the vehicle in which she will do it. she wouldn't be the first phoenix to rise from the corporate ashes.

he thinks he can do this? >> i think she absolutely candidates. though clinton into it, go back and look. britney spears is the hottest ticket in vegas and still is. neil: britney spears is? >> yes, she is an we are still going up to the box office to see him over and over again. there's a difference between paula and we have just mentiod. that hasn't worked so well of those in the past. neil: in the eyes of the media should became kryptonite. >> yes. >> so you have to get past that. she has a very folksy way about

her. but once as labeled racist which i think is very unfair. >> will get some, there's a lot of other people as well. >> there's a big difference. >> the difference between then and think of something current and today and this is something they said years ago. she has an opportunity to distance yourself if you can sho us that what she has learned from nonissues and a woman. neil: the american people have to think that they are very sincere. >> absolutely. i think there is nothing more than being authentic. one thing that she really needs to do is be committed to this and learn from her mistakes and move forward. she was the end that we all wanted to have over for dinner to cook for us.

neil: should never use margarine commercial is sed butter and it was always the worst stu for you. >> at's what we love about her. she needs to rebrand herself as well. as we do all the time, they're trying to rebuild trust. neil: that's what advertisers do. they are still going to keep their distance. >> yes, they are. they have a partnership right now someone saying that i have confidence in you. and so by visiting to have this confidence, that gives us a chance to look at her again. so i think that she absolutely can do this and if she says that i'm not that woman i'm ashamed of that woman i have learned from th and i'm a new woman and committed to showing who i am, i am back all the things he loved about in the first place. the one i don't think it would

hurt us o be forgiving. thank you so much. it is good to see you. in the meantime, take a guess who everone was pleading about. way too interested in hearing himself talk. only hat was not referring to carl ichan but the person interviewing him who would be me. we will have more after this. welcome back. how is everything? there's nothing like being your own boss! and my custome are really liking your flat rate shipping. fedex one rate. really makes my life easier. maybe a promotion is in order. good news. i got a new title. and a raise? management couldn't make that happen. [ male announcer ] introducing fedex one rate. simple, flat rate shipping with the reliability of fedex.

neil: close to a thousand e-mails in tweets. one who seems far more interested in climbing hills and for the companies he targets creating headaches. love him or hate him he cannot stop talking about car ichan. one follower saying hat that was a good interview there is a lot of incompetence and companies and governments.

one of the single greatest interviews i've ever seen. i couldn't write it down fast enough. that guy gets it. stand in line. stand in line. madison, wisconsin, thank you for going along with a guy that fell short. and that is what i call a politely civil exchange. great job. dora says you are the nice engaging individual, a nice chubby kind soul. and dexter says you are a

self-centered bigmouth individual. and i think you suk too. don't know why it carlock on what bother talking to you. well, apparently he liked cnbc. he did talk to me. and what he said to me is making shockwaves all over the business world. the reaction on the future. laying out the groundwork that for now when it comes to big investments like apple is not going anywhere. >> yes, he basically said he is undervalued at these levels and anyone can do the homework and it is just 13 after the stock has quadrupled over the past five years. and i can point these things out

and a lot of people look at that rise in the share price and think that it must be a overvalued. it still has things like the i watched coming out, china, boostingemand globally, this is a huge story and hear a guy like this it is undervalued, you are certainly going to get a lot of investors. >> many shareholders have to be delighted that they are taking this interest the company. he gets a lot of gut. but he really is a liberator of companies. this is a guy that buys billions of dollars of stks and then advocates for the change of the company needs to profit. helping nottonly shareholders but helping the economy at large. neil: you like a lot of what he a lot of what he says and you

keep adding on that? >> yes, that is true. and if you want him to manage her money, i think that you should manage his company as soon as possible. we sent this out and the average investor should watch out or not file everything that he does. he can lose a lot while he waits fohis stock to turn around. neil: notices taped on the market. have a look. >> a lot of people said pilasters advances were built on air. do you buy that? >> yes i do. i think that a lot of the heavy advances, it's like having a

patient and giving them a new kind of medicine and i think this whole injection is kind of like giving someone heroin and you don't know what's going to do them. neil: what you think about that? >> this is where you can heed his word. this is an experienced investor and has been here for decades. and he's involv i stimulating the economy. pumped up on heroin as he said, that is why you have to be careful of them. >> this is what is driving it. and thisis when they start withdrawing that. >> it was the very first month of a dead they're going to stop

to taper that. many were saying that the stock market rally was uncorrelated. to the feds in washington policy, they should be held accountable. because it is absolutely correlated in the second of it started to take away, down we went. and have we hit that point at which there is no denying that we are doomed for a correction because things have gotten out of hand? >> well, i don't see this as we did in 1999 or 2006 or 2007. but we had a two mius 2013 and the pendulum has shifted and a lot of them are talking about

this with the correction. especially in thenext quarter as well. >> a lot of the big multinational firms have done well because of the weakness in the u.s. dollar. that does help the bottom line of companies that do a majority of their sales are a lot of their sales overseas. he simply is mcdonald's, american express, a lot of their revenues are derived which is a result of the fed's policies that can help us with the multinational names. neil: could markets, that marketet, that opportunities. pretty good axiom, is it not? >> it's a tough world for the average investor. in your baking on the s&p and to be a stock picker is a very

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