have a great night, we will see you back here tomorrow. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ neil: so the white house is looking to twitter to monitor what folks are saying about the health care law. i could save them the trouble, they hate it. welcome, everybody, i'm neil cavuto. and is sebelius serious, or after doing sufficient a botched job is on health care, she's moving over to the nsa to work her magic there. hard to say, but sebelius wants full access to twitter's historical data so she can gauge public reaction to the health care law. the agency calls it ongoing monitoring. i call it kind of creepy, and i also call it a waste of time. secretary, we already know how folks are feeling about this

law. two words: not good n. a fox news poll, 55% disapprove. in a gallup poll, 51%. in a quinnipiac poll, 56%. the numbers vary, i but on this they are consistent, more disapprove than approve this law which should tell the secretary and her boss at the white house all they need to know about this law. not popular, not good and not getting any better. and now they want to target tweets? twits. just check out these tweets to us. one saying: in the private sector, a company with such performance would be bankrupt or dissolved. still another: great goals, awful implementation. and then this: it's horrendous and overreaching. government has no business in our health care choices. all of you might regret tweeting all of this, because the government's going to get its hands on all of these. don't say i didn't warn you. christopher bedford, john, what% do you make of this? >> look, they're trying to put mag wheels on a dump truck.

you have something people don't like, and instead of trying to fix what people don't like, like a normal business would do, you roll out a program, you roll out an idea, and people don't like it. you change that program or idea to help, to get it to what people want. instead of doing that, they're monitoring people's feedback on this. this is how they've done everything. they legislate by polls. they go out and check polls and that determines their policy instead of just doing good policy, and that's the whole problem here. neil: you'll notice, folks, that john is saying this from the safe confines of bermuda! touche. but, chris, i always find that we waste a lot of time trying to gauge sentiment when we know the sentiment, and we know it's wrong, and we pour a lot of money -- and that is, this administration has -- into very expensive and pricey ads urging people to sign up because it's good marketing. but you have to have something to market, right? >> and what, what are they going to do with this data? it's not like they're going to get rid of the law.

they're doubled down. they're serious about getting this obamacare through. the only thing i can tell that we know for a fact is when the guys who rolled out obamacare get involved in another tech project, it's bicycle to cost probably hundreds of millions of dollars, so it's a little creepy that they're trying. neil: yeah. we're going to get into the legality of all of this, because that is a whole other can of wormings. back to your point, john, broadband what's happening here. if you -- what's happening here. if you read the polls, if you just look at newscasts, even the more liberal ones, you'll know that a lot of people are feeling antsy about losing coverage, paying more for the coverage and that the net gains in people who didn't have coverage getting coverage is far less, far less than they earlier thought. even the vice president of the united states saying, you know, it's not going to be seven million, but five to six million isn't too shabby. are you kidding me? >> well, that's what they've done this entire time. look, these are neophytes to business, and they built this

massive, encompassing legislation, and they've consistently overpromised and underdelivered. and they keep doing that. and so instead of fixing what they should, you know, it went to a montreal firm to build the web site, then they changed that to a dublin firm. i'm not sure why there's not software engineers here in silicon valley that probably could have done this a lot cheaper -- neil: that was the problem. they went to montreal to figure this out. [laughter] finish all right, so, chris, where is this going? again, leaving legality, privacy issues notwithstanding, i mean, is this just delaying the inevitable or trying to get people's attention off what seems to be a bumpy law itself? >> i bet the nsa is kind of excited the attention is not on them for the moment. neil: absolutely. good point. >> i can't imagine what they're going to do with more of these statistics. the government needs more and more, so now their going to gather more data, and they're just going to sit on it. what are they going to do, analyze the twitter data? find out what we already know, americans hate obamacare.

they don't want it. what's next? they'll spend more money. don't they have enough problems with obama care's spanish web site not looking as proposed to looking for new contracts and new money to spend? neil: yeah. well, i would focus on getting it up and running, enticing choices, and your tweets might improve. right now that's not looking too good. gentlemen, thank you both very, very much. >> thanks, neil. neil: well, reason magazine says that social media snooping is just another way the federal government is trying to monitor us. in this case they're saying with the best of intentions to gauge sentiment toward a very, or very important law. you say what? >> you know, i think this is, actually, it's a great example of why we should be wary of not letting giant pools of data just set out there for the taking, right? so when you have all of the historical data of twitter or telephone metadata, unfortunately, the supreme court has been pretty clear on this, and what they say is the government can grab it, and they

can use it however they want. neil: yeah? well, you're right on that, because far from dialing it back, now we get word that the nsa is havening on to this -- hanging on to this kind of stuff just in case they're sued which is beyond crazy, but it is what it is. i'm beginning to wonder whether there's a pattern to what's going on here, whether it's the government trying to hit up twitter for details, or it's now saying that it needs to keep collecting this information or at the very least save this information at the nsa. what do you think is really going on? >> you know, i think it's pretty much all about bureaucratic empire building, right? if the haystack gets bigger and bigger, you have to pay more and more people to look for the needles in it. and i think what we're seeing and what we've seen, frankly, for decades with this kind of intelligence gathering is that the temptation to use tools that were originally designed to keep an eye on people abroad, they sort of legitimate, private uses to use those tools to gather in massive amounts of data was kind

of blurry reasoning and blurry ends and then wind up using that data for war on drugs prosecutions, for, you know, personal vendettas. it happens over and over. it happens every time, and we should be worried. neil: katherine, always a pleasure of reason magazine, she knows her stuff. she warned about a lot of this stuff before it was becoming such a big deal. meanwhile, before we started dismissing the cbo and the health care critics, before he was dismissing the stimulus critics, before he routinely started ripping the guys he once was consistently praising, there was alan simpson, the man entrusted with doing something very brave before the president threw alan under the bus. ♪ ♪ so ay bank has araise your d

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>> the goal that was identified by simpson-bowles was to reduce the deficit as a percentage of gdp to below 3%. but what our budget projection shows is that over the course of the next ten years or in ten years the percentage will actually be below 2%, so we've made substantial progress in reducing the deficit. neil: well, i'm relieved. all in this time i thought, you know, the debt was ballooning

out of control, and $18 trillion. no need to worry. i guess alan simpson can just calm down, the debt co-chair joins us now on the phone. senator, what do can you make of that? you can take a chill pill. [laughter] >> it does make you chuckle. i mean, in my line of work it's like that old poem out of the night that covers me black is a pip from pole to pole. [laughter] anyway, honestly, you know, when he drops away from what he did in the last proposal which was the chain cpi -- now,, he's dropped that. neil: that's right. and now to come up with this babble is just babble. i mean, it's just not lip service, it's the whole jaw. neil: you know, senator, it would be like me saying on jupiter i'd be is svelte, and the reality is fur now i'm on -- for now i'm on earth, and it's not looking good. the deft sits, g, the p is going down, what we in terms of current terms spending more than

that we are spending in is going down, that masks the real reality that every dollar we exceed what we're taking in is going and adding to that debt. and bragging about getting to the point you're at 600 billion or 500 billion in debt, it doesn't hide the reality that's being added to our debt. >> well, that's the troublesome part, the debt and the deficit are totally different, and we're all pleased the deficit is going town. i think that's -- going down. neil: you think, senator? the factors prompting that, especially when boomers like myself start retiring. that is going the compound this problem, right? >> well, of course it is. and hen all the anguish we've been through doesn't even deal with two-thirds of the american budget. i mean, how stupid is that? so when you don't deal with all the stuff on automatic pilot, which is health care, the solvency of social security, it goes and takes all the money out

of the discretionary budget which really ought to go up. that's infrastructure, education, that kind of thing. holy smokes. it is really alice in wonderland. and it gets worse every day because this president, he, he will fail as a president. his legacy is imperilled if he doesn't do something to do something with the cost of health care and the solvency of social security. years from now they'll look back and say you were there, pal, you didn't do a lick. neil: well, his people tell us, you know, that he has lots of company, that other presidents of both parties have ignored the same reality. what do you think of that? >> well, i think that's true, but they've never had a 17 headed for a there are 20 trillion debt either. neil: do you feel used, senator, that, you know, with great expectation and great fanfare when you and erskine bowles were presented at the white house as the guys who were finally going to get to the bottom of this debt mess. you offered a number of very solid, impactful ideas. some liked them, some hated

them, but that's the measure of great ideas. to love 'em. and then the president kind of leaves you at the altar. >> well, he did, and erskine and i if you look at that report again said, you know, once they quit laughing at what we were doing and saw that it was beginning to take some traction, we said look at these guys, these interest groups will come down like the harpists from the cliffs along the rhine, and they will tear us to bits. well, brothers and sisters, they're having a ball. neil: do you think there is some truth to what some of these gutless politicians is say, that the public is for getting this under control but not when it comes to the specifics, especially if it hits them, if it hits their entitlement, if it hits their benefit? so many now are getting these goodies and entitlements and benefits, not me? >> well, the sad thing was the other today when they put together the package to shave 1% off of people who retire. i mean, i'm a veteran. i loved it. i've served my country.

i don't believe i did it for the benefits, i don't recall joining up so i could get the benefits, and that's important, the volunteers deserve all they can. but for good god's sake, to save 1% below cola, for the cola and then they went and repealed that in an instant because of the power of the vfw of which i'm a member, the american lee i don't imagine of which i'm a member, the dav. i mean, they wiped them. even the sponsors headed for the rat hole. neil: you know, it's interesting you mention that because almost any time anyone tries to remind people -- in your case that it was a 1% under the cost of living adjustment, not the end of the world and not something that could throw someone out on a food line, but that every time we make even the most minor adjustment or some republicans raise their hand and say, you know, do one out of three in this country need some food assistance? is that a little extreme? they're portrayed as heartless, as callous, as just the worst of

human scum. [laughter] right? i mean, that's what happens. so republicans get nervous, they sign onto these budget extensions, they sign onto these debt extenders that keep the ball bouncing, right? >> they're going to continue to do it. but, look, the reason health care will fail, forget all the nasty stuff about it, it can't work because every bit of cost containment is down the road. well, every time you do it, you've got to go do a doc fix. so, good lord, you can't let that go. you're going to do this. you know, what is it, medical device tax, 2.5%, and they just took it off so they could take care of medtronic and stryker. i mean, who is kidding who? and guess who gets stuck with it? you and me. neil: yeah, you're right about that. senator, i've always loved having you on because both sides hate you -- [laughter] and i think that's a redeeming quality. >> i have a beautiful woman here, she's calling me. she's 60 years with this woman. she said living with me was like a religious experience.

a living hell. [laughter] neil: well, she's a lucky woman, you're a lucky man. senator, it's always good having you on. >> always fun, neil. god bless ya. neil: thanks for keeping us attuned. he tried, folks, and he's still trying. meanwhile, we've got this business alert. gap is raising its minimum wage, and arch conservative didi banke is delighted. or is she just delirious? ♪ ♪

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eating it right now -- if you're eating it right now, you might want to head to the bathroom. that's coming up. but in the meantime, something else to chew on. the minimum wage is going up. now, washington isn't doing it. companies like, well, the gap are doing it. didi banke actually applauds it, she says let private companies decide this, not the government. rink unger says -- rick unger says the gap is doing so precisely because of prodding by the government. but, didi, you just are happy it's not under government order. >> yeah, true, and i'm also happy about that mystery meat tease for our segment. i don't know how that came up. [laughter] neil: you strike me as a vegetarian. >> exactly right. neil: i am too, thank god. >> yeah, i know, sure. [laughter] >> of course you are. >> no, actually, the gap, yeah, every business in america should be able to pay whatever they like. they should be able to hire whoever they like, they should be able to run a business however they like without the government butting in. so, yeah, good for gap.

that's wonderful. and i know that's where rick buys his chinos. he probably has them on right now. >> well, no. actually, i applaud the gap just as did does, i think it's terrific. but you know why they did it? it isn't so much because of government, it's because they had a pretty icky christmas. they didn't do that well x they took a lesson from costco. pay your front line employees well and expect much better productivity and results. and they said this -- neil: i don't know. i mean, a lot of the guys are paid a premium, best buy, and they're very good if you ever go on. i always need this htmi guy -- [laughter] they're very helpful. but best buy is stumbling and bumbling. >> that's true. but bear in mind, unfortunately, not every business has the same foresight that a gap has or a costco has. and they won't do it on their own even though it's in their best interests, and they can -- >> well, they shouldn't have to do it on their own. >> they continue to pay people

working full time not enough money to support a family. in other words, i'm talking about walmart. neil: here we go. >> well, walmart is a very successful business, rick, you can't say -- look, walmart is successful, and you said the gap was successful this year, so walmart must be doing something right. if people don't want to work at wal-mart, they don't have to. they can work wherever they want to. it's a slippery slope when the government -- neil: do you think the government might have pushed, you know, the gap into this? you know, that's a young base of buyers, rick notwithstanding, and -- [laughter] or actually, including rick -- >> i don't shop at wal-mart. neil: but a gap might do this and say, look, our base, they like this, so we don't want to tick them off. what do you think? >> look, that's fine. good for the gap. that's the whole point, though, that they're able to do whatever they want to. they made that decision, that's great, but there are thousands of other businesses that make they should be able to do that without obama, the government or anyone else --

not committing itself to buying $25 billion worth of goods from american manufacturers -- >> no, that's true. neil: and walmart is. >> and to be fair, if they actually followed through on that, i give them all the credit in the world. neil: they will. people like you are looking at them. >> i hope so. wait a minute, didi -- neil: wait a minute, he's going to finish. >> let me finish my thought. >> all right..3 >> look, i've got to pick up on one thing in didi's argument. yes, businesses will do better if they pay their employees less. if you want to extrapolate that out to an extreme, southern agrarian farmers at one time in our country paid a lot more money pause they didn't pay their employees anything. we morally decided as a nation that was not acceptable. >> wow, old school on this. neil:ing neil: nothing for slaves and $10.10. >> right. when -- the $10.10 will take 800,000 to 900,000 americans out of poverty. neil: and a half a million out

of work. >> that's the problem. neil: it's a big problem. >> it is. and the cbo's right. >> but some businesses cannot afford that, though, rick. for some businesses it would be a job killer because they can't afford -- neil: didi, you're saying let the gap decide, don't leave it up to uncle sam, right? >> exactly. >> why is it that we never say that the pizza store can't afford to pay more for cheese or more for dough to to make their product, but when it comes to workers -- >> it's their decision, rick. it's not your decision. neil: you just ripped on the local pizza guy. >> yeah, exactly. neil: he hike his minimum wage versus a big name like gap? >> no. neil: oh, really? >> i really don't. [inaudible conversations] >> yes. neil: it's a huge issue. it's a huge issue. >> but why don't they add -- do the math at "forbes." if they were to do it, it ends up costing hess -- less than six cents. neil: i love "forbes" --

[inaudible conversations] finish. >> they passed on -- >> thest not true. >> they pass on the tomato sauce. neil: if you're saying it's the same as the gap having the ability to hike a minimum wage and a little pizza guy in the village -- >> not even close. neil: those guys are barely cutting it. >> why can't they put it into the price of what they charge me more -- for a pizza? [inaudible conversations] >> do you want artificial cheese? >> do you think some of them should go irrespective -- neil: well, there you go, mr. capitalist. >> if you have supply and demand issues -- neil: okay. >> they had a small pizza business, growing up we did this, i know this, we lived this. neil: you had a small pizza business? [inaudible conversations] >> yes. my family had that. they could never afford to pay those wages. neil: what are you doing? >> i'm in indianapolis. >> weren't you hear yesterday? didn't i see you on a fox show? >> well, yeah. but i didn't want to be on set with you, rick. the chinos freak me out. and do you think what's next?

uncle so sam will say boxers or briefs. that's the slippery slope we're going down when the government -- neil: i have no idea what you're going with that. >> and when the government tells me boxers or briefs, then i will join your side. >> this is wrong. that's why i'm not there today. [laughter] neil: i wish we had more time. thankfully, we do not. [laughter] then trucks, now the next target could be your kitchen. the government crackdown on everyday appliances that's costing you, and i bet -- [inaudible] ♪ ♪ [ male aoucer ] we all think about life insurance. but when we start worrying about tomorrow, we miss out on the thin that matter today. ♪ at axa, we fer advice and help you break down your insurance goals into small, mageae eps.

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consequences it will increase the sticker price, and decrease product quality, we have appliances that do not work as well, they falter in a well theless time, they are all -- a lotless time, these are theunin. neil: you can see side by side, if we were showing dishwashers or dryers, i find among those that are energy efficient versus those that are not, price differential is not severe. it might be in the future to your poin, if i had high druthers, i we'd lean on those more energy efficient because

presumably it will save me more on my energy bill, right. >> yes. it may cost more up front, but if they can save you money along -- >> but the government pushing you is what you find offensive. >> yes, and detail in which they do so, they regulate efficiency from microwaves on stand by mode, not even when they are working to heat up that hot pocket, that little clock, they are regulating that emergency from that -- energy from that little clock to get to detail, that is where it is problematic, and cost out weigh the benefits. neil: nicholas, you are a billion programmer, nicholas thank you so much. >> thank you. neil: what is in a hot pocket? do you ever won wonder? you don't want to know. when you find out, not even kate

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>> just taking a break. try the hot pockets they are breath taking. neil: maybe funny in movies, not so appetizing in real life, nestle recalling some of the pot pockets, one regulators are saying are stuffed with diseased and unsound animal. what is a diseased and unsound animal, maybeness hness lease -- nestle should use real meat, doe en know it is no don't know it is note real meat.

>> it is unsound animal meat, but big problem right now for nestle, they have been spending last few years prying to remarkeet hot pockets they said their biggest battle was overcoming reputation of mystery meat. this is not looking good for them, i think they will have a problem getting back to track. neil: the meat is not in said hot pocket? not even kate upton now might be able to get them out of this mess, she does a lot of their commercials, what is going on happen? >> i think what they have to did is win back demographic that purchases a lot of the hot pockets, they have to do probably talk about sources, we have seen in food industry developing is a need to know where your food is coming from, now we know where some problem attic food is coming from, prove perhaps reestablish that trust, say this is where we're getting

our meat from. neil: what is that -- for example, you -- strike me as hot pocket oh, fish yando. >> i like the hot pocket. neil: you do not. >> i like the meatier hot pockets. michelle. >> if you base ito young males, then, they have alienated that base? >> i don't know, i think that you know, i survive college on hot pockets, i think most people who eat hot pockets are young people are college, can't afford very much, they have been trying to reach out to new demographics, i don't think they will be able to do, that i don't think a lot of college kids are really going to be that affected. neil: if you only knew what was in a hot dog, you wouldn't eat

them that stuff. >> i just had a hot dog the other day. >> it is a matter of trust, like anotherrickikia ikea deal, you know where the swedish meat balls are note what they really are. >> they can keep hot pockets brand alive. neil: focus on hot chocolate. >> you know change from and traps for over. -- transfer them over, and rebrand and spend the money this is small amount of meat they have identified as a problem. hopefully for their sake not that many people know about it, we want everyone continued to what the risk is, it might be able to be mitigated by lack of knowledge. neil: final word with you, thank you. >> thank you. neil: they know nothing about hot pockets that is true. when we come back, leonardo

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>> this is their gift, they are built to be thrown like a lawn dart, they are built for accuracy. neil: all right he was not the most memorable character in wolf of wall street but he was one of the more humous one, toupee

wearing trader, known as wigwam in real life, the character was based on a real life guy, andrew green, who is tearing his fake hair out now, he said that filmmaker never got his permission to use his likeness, bo dietl another real guy who played himself in the movie, to me was the star of the movie. he said that green is over reacting. >> you know the movie, i think it is to $340 million in gross. neil: he wants $25 million. >> yeah, yeah, everyone jumping to thegraphy train. thegraph gravy train. neil: did you get residuals? >> no, i just got my s.a.g. rate, oh, they got my part there, i don't remember this guy, i was there they used my name in the movie, bo deet else on thdeet else on the phone, my

part i did, i said that i gave them my permission. neil: there are so many characters in to movie. >> if i put a wig on hig my head, he was supposed to work in compliance, he better be happy that stat out of limitation is over, if you worked with old pump and dump he would belaying a soupenna on his butt, he should take his fred and get out of here. this is a great movie,. neil: did you know what you made the movie that it was based on a real guy. and you were worked -- >> i worked with him. neil: that is why you are in the movie. >> actual be based to very real guys that worked with thely will guy. >> danny porsche of the one that was played by the great guy up for best supporting actor.

jonah hill, one of the greatest directors, meat head we called him rob reiner. he plays the dad, max is about 5 if the 3, and rob reiner plays him, and if was really exciting to be part of it but because we filmed in east harlem that is where it happened. when scorsese lets go, there is a part you show with leonardo decaprio, and mcconaughey, he pounded his chest this is ad-lib stuff this is greatness of scorsese. neil: but this guy, saying if you have these great stuff, these people, you never cleared it with me. and i was a big part of the movie this compliance guy was a snake, i remember that if it serves me well, and he is upset. >> they done use a better rug on his head, maybe. in reality, this is. neil: i think that wigwam name,

was far better. >> i i don't think he has a case, steve madden shoes, he was upset, he went away, but he gave them a release to use his name. neil: but he didn't like the way he was prier trayed i portrayed. >> he is a cool guy. neil: what do you make of guy whom the movie was based. >> he is mad at me. neil: he is. >> and he is don't talk to me. he said, you know bo, you call me this name, i said, what do you think you were then, all of a sudden you are robin hood? you robbed 200 million dollars, you went away for 18 months. neil: they are looking at him again? >> he is opening pandora's box. neil: the screen guy is doing the same. >> everyone is looking for a p

payday, the guy that movie was about is a creep, he was a creep then, but a lot of people are out of money, but i hope leonardo decaprio wins best actor, he did a fantastic job. >> terrific. lou: . >> soa scorsese did a terrific job. neil: you were robbed for a nomination. >> i called up scorsese. and i wanted tickets to the emmys. neil: what did they say. >> desm m. >> excuse me my back, beau. >> really. >> wait until they leave me. this is leading to bigger and better things. neil: that one sounds dicey, you are not, b bobo bo -- bo dietl.

oscar committee, i don't know who you are, you snobs, hate you, what is this tesla car have in common with abercrombie & fitch? one is hot, still cool. the other might still be hot, but not at all cool.

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"hidden things." ok, why's that? well uhhh... surprise!!! um... well, it's true. at allthere are no hidden fees. not one. that's nice. no hidden fees, no worries. ally bank. your money needs an ally. neil: in biz blitz, social media to the rescue that makes me think that elan musk should tweet them a big old thank you, after the cars were in flames thousands of supporters of the popular hybrid took to the web to say they so hot on the car. now opposition reaction when abercrombie & fitch retailer got it for the boss saying that wrong people were shopping in

his store or wrong size women wearing the company's tights, the guy with the burning cars still cool. to larry levin and jimmy lee on lesson learned in. learn? >> you know, i will say it seems that tesla is good at handlin ing social media, they had a lot of people who really were worried 'these situation with the fires, they retweeted those. and on other hand abercrombie & fitch they did not do a good job of controlling their situation, and really made a lot of people mad with the meanness inside them, you see reaction, and in both situations. neil: it is remarkable you look at these examples how they were treated, and on social media, says a lot about the base of support they had or didn't have. what do you make of that? >> neil, we all know social media is here to say, companies need be proactive about a strag

in tesla case, musk did a great job of minimizing the damage from battery fires it worked here, on other hand, if you have a potential pr disaster on your hand, you stay silent, the negative news festers, that could compound on itself, i think all companies need to be cognizant social media could be a great tool to get message out quickly to people you want to hear to. neil: they could explain recall or bad product that went wrong, i know that tesla did that. you know in over drive. after some of the incidents with cars on fire, that makes a giv difference, owning up being ahead of the problem. >> the general public they want honesty, tesla seems to do a good job of being honest about that, there was no denying there were fires in the cars, a lot of people want tesla to succeed, they see that as the future, and

unfortunately abercrombie & fitch they showed they were mean, and they showed in social media, you know not good for one and good for the other. neil: let's go to second issue, if in doubt blame the snow or a sorry snow job? walmart talking a up to quarter to a tough winter for much of the country, i think that retailer has a . but then again, yet to hear a walmart or any there are retailer credit is up for sun for a good quarter, is this first of many excuses we'll hear in. >> i think it can be. i do believe that weather had a part in weaker sales at walmart, maybe other retailer like walmart. but i think retailer with a strong on-line presence will produce better results, than those that don't, when you can't get into store, i if today's environment every retailer needs an e-commerce. neil: i was talking with a

retail ir, who said, it is by design they really want to intease people into their stories, really should not give his name away, i was note cleared to do, that -- not cleared to do, that we want the foot traffic it begets more buying. it is by design they limit the web exposure, walmart i don't know what the story circumstance but larry, do you think there is something, to this notion that a company known largely, despite a very good web site for its foot traffic has a case to make when snow prevents it. >> no, i think that they have to deal with it they have no choice but to do better when it is sunny, do better on-line. because, winter comes every year, and maybe it does not como much for amazon, unless they are having trouble shipping, no one has trouble shopping, but if they have trouble shopes in winter -- the companies their responsible to make up for that

work doubley hard when it not wintertime, then they get to blame on there and say stock price is dropping that is the situation. neil: you know that music, situation where you go to bed, and what are watching tomorrow? larry? >> tomorrow, we get existing home sales about a half hour after the open, it has not been great, it should be interesting to watch, piecing it with 30 minutes after open could have a interesting knee-jerk reaction. neil: jimmy? >> i am watching home sales too, but, i think bigger picture i've been telling our clients for over a year we need a correction, when it does, i view it as a buying opportunity, i still feel same way it has been late 2011 since we had a official correct, we're overdue, i think one big tailwinds for stock this year could be a great rotation out of bonds into the stork it w stock market, we saw

a little bit in 2013 but not a lot. in january investor bought on dips, if corporate america is grow earning rption to earn, earnings, top like i could see it. neil: we have not seen this official 10 percent correction. and i am wonder figure tha that is a harbinger of bad things to come, larry? >> i think it will might be. you know, i do think that jimmy is right, there are correct is coming, it is a buying opportunity. whether onickivin existing home sailing or some economic ata it come. neil: jimmy, you worry that everyone talks about migration from bonds to stock it has not materialized. is this year? >> it has a potential. i think it all about corporate earnings, we're back to paradigm of bad news, not good news any more. so, you know we need to have earning grow, companies need to

grow the top line. neil: all right, well put, thank you so much jimmy, and larry. we have a lot more on this, market, whether it gets long to the tooth, some say it is, some say it isn't, tomorrow. lou: good evening, president obama warned government yesterday there would be consequences for continued violence against antigovernment demonstrators, riot police went on to kill up to 70 more demonstrators after mr. obama issued his ultimatum and the the white house response today, they are still considering, what to do. pulitzer prize winning journannist, jud judy miller was in the area, she will with with us