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gerri: well, if you watch the show anytime at all i've been warning about this for some time. now it is taking a step closer to reality. listen to this. the government wants to raid your retirement account. that's right. in his new budget to congrs, next month, the president will propose a broad range of new tax hikes specifically targeting people who have spent years saving for retirement. probably like you and me. ric edelman, from edelman financial will be here in just a second to talk about that. but first, the whiteouse has officially thrown in the towel on deficit reduction. the president's new budget contains more spending and more tax hikes. the center of the president's plan to reduce the deficit, a cut in sociasecurity benefits, now gone. here with the latest is heritage foundation's romania. greato have you here. we're talking in the show tonight how the government wants to crack down, have peoe save

less money for retirent. my question was, what do you want to spend that on? now i understand that the president's budget will be far, far bigger than the last. how big will it be? and what does he wan to spend on? >>e're looking at several tens of billions in additional spending on education, on mafacturing centers. i meanf you're thinking about it, big government, government knows best and those kinds of programs that the president is trying to put out but this is no surprise i mean the president has said in 2012 when the deficit was a trillion dollars, that he didn't think we needed to worry about the debt. so this budgetust basically shows his priorits for the next year and beyond. gerri: here's what we hear. 56 billion in new spending slated. and i have to tell you, it is same old-same old. they say they want to spend it on education,.e., teachers, imrtant support group for the

president. programs for stimulus spending that didn'tappen. how would you grade the ppesent on his spending habits? how effective is we our tax paylor dollars? >> this president has presided over the largest peacetime deficits in u.s. history. the debt, the public debt, what we brow in credit markets has doubled during the president's first term in office. so there's a lot of spending. we have this massive stimulus package and this is another budgeth tries to double down on that failed stimulus and expand government so the president wants to increase spending immediately and his successor will have to have, wi have to deal with an even bigger mess and clean up a bigger budget mess we already have. gerri: we're spending more debt that is absolutely true. you have that right. but i bet there might be new tax increases in this as well. what are you hearing? >> absolute certainty. i mean his last budget had about a trillion dollars in tax increases. so it might be around same amount, perhaps it could be even more. i mean the president really wants to double down, eecially

on retirement accounts. which is interesting because the president also had this myra proposal. on one hand he wants to encourage retirement savin. on the other hand he puts disincentives in place for people on upper end for their retirement. so what is it going to be? gerri: i coin agree with you more. we'll bring in ric edelman, edelman financial services to weigh in on this conversation. and ric, i was so excited you were available today to talk about this because when it comes to the retirement crisis in this countri believe the last thing we need is the government, the federal government saying, hay you know what? spend a little less. save a little less. invest a lite less for your retirement. that's what we would like to see. what is your view? >> y're absolutely right, gerri. you don't strengthen the caboose by weakening engine. it is bizarre point of view and i rlly don't get it. the notions we need to be creating incentives for people

to save for retirement. not putting ceilings on them to encourage -- discourage them from saving. gerri: i know lot of people out there, both of you would say, oh, b, gerri, the rich people, they will save no matter what. it doesn't really mater. to you first, does that logic hold water? >> i think -- >> it does to a certain degree but here's the real problem if you have rich people without incentives to save, you know what they're going so do? they will kill retirement plans at work which means lower paid workers won't have a retirement plan to contribute to at all. that is the concept. rri: you next. >> yeah, another problem is that you will have double taxation. the reason why you don't want to tax savings is that when you have these tax deferred accounts, that money gets taxed at end when people take the money out of 401(k)s in retirement. if you tax them now and tax them again later, you have double taxation which discourages savings. we ought to be encouraging savings.

gerri: absolutely right. i covered this for, i don't know, how long, 20 years. no one ever said to me, you know, gerri, the problem with this country people save too much money for retirement. rick, to you as i look at this, what i see is the government saying, you know, really a 1% solution. really there is is income inequality. they're introducing political rhetoric into financial policy. i think that is a big mistake. what do you say, ric? >>eah, it's a real problem. we need to keep pitics away from personal finances of ordinary everyday americans. if we are going to put limits or restrictions within policy, do it in a simple, easy to understand, palatle way, not confusing and complex the way the president's proposal is. so not only fails on its thesis, it fails on its execution as well. which we've seen happen in other areas of thebama administration. gerri: speaking of execution, you know normally when you say to somebody, i will take away your tax break or raise your taxes and here is what we're

going to do with it. in this case you would expect them to say, we are gng to raise taxes on wlthy people who already save fr retirement and give that people to people who are undersaved. that is not what we're saying at all. we'll use it in the big kitty and use it however i want to use it. am i correct? >> some programs the president wants to boost like head start, his own administration put out a study that it had no real effect on those children t wasn't even helping. it is very expensive federalay care program. we ought not to be wasting money on failed government programs any longer. gerri: rick, do you think it would make more sense, and i had people suggest thi to me recently, quite a bit in fact, to raise limits on how much people can set aside for saving, instead of bringing it down? i mean that has been the policy for years now, as you say, okay if you're over 55 you can save even more. every year we seem to raise the limit. 17,500 for most folks you can set aside why do we have limits? why not let people set money

aside? let's face it that money goes back into the economy. they're investing through mutual funds in companies all over the country, frankly all over the world? >> you're absolutely right, gerri. we have to remember why we left the europe and came to america in the first place. it is because it is the land of opportunity. there is unlimited potential in the united states. you can be anything that you want to be with n rictions, no ceiling, no limitation. why on earth would the government want to create programs that put a ceiling on the ameran opportunity? gerri: and you? >> the one ceiling we do need is a debt ceiling but congress actually handed the executive a blank check. so while american families are cuing back to live within their means, the government has eliminated, raised debt limit for entire year. that is real problem. if we have one ceiling it should be onhe national debt. gerri: that' a great point. before you guys go i want to show some numr here. average 401(k) balance according to fidelity, $89,000. center for retirement savings,

retirement reseah at boston college says it is far lower, 42,000. not enough money. we need all the help we can get from the federal government to save more. we don't need barriers. great job both of you. thank you. >> thank you. gerri: and now we want to know what you think. here's our question tonight. are retirement plans under assault by grey politicians? log on to gerriwillis.com. vote on the right-hand side of the screen. i wi show the results at the end of tonight's show. another example ofhe crisis in the public pension system, the public pension system detroit today filed its plan to dig out of its 18 bell dollars debt. the city's -- $18 billion debt. the plan which the court must approve before it can get out of the biggest u.s. bankruptcy in history. fire and police officers take 10% cut. city employees take 34% cut and

bondholders would recover only 20% of their money. kevyn orr rewriting all pension rules. did ny steal from "american idol" contestants? we warned you about the recall of hot pockets with meat described as unfit for human food but are there hidden ngers in the meat? details coming up. ♪ ♪ here we are, me and you ♪ on the road ♪ and we know that it goes on and on ♪

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i'm so glad we are actually talking about this topic, processed meat,ried foods, saturad fats is huge health concern. there is huge study that came out earlier last year looking at 10 countries, that were thousands of people in the study, 13-year follow-, red me, processed meat, particularly saturated fats, all of these result in early cardiovascar deaths. a huge number of cancer are linked to eating red meat. gerri: in this country we find lack of inspection is one of the g props. in fact the agriculture department apparently has a shortage of inspectors in meat and poultry plants all over the country. we're hearing reports, that it is not that ty don't have the positions open, they do. they're just not filling them. at end of the day work is not getting done. is this concern to you as well? >> it's a concern. of the big problems it is about access, availability and costs. unfortunately processed meats tend to be much cheaper than

organic meats, healter meats. there is lot of problems with meat. we don't know what is in meats. there are very toxic chemicals that are linked to a number of cancers, breast cancer, prostate cancer. bowel cancer in particular. gerri: i hear what you're saying but if you make me stop eating my bacon it isver. here is what the company that is really in the cross-hairs o regulators, here is what the ceo of this company had to say. we will not do any previous practiies. we're starting a new operation th new usda license and new protocols from scratch. they're promising to do better. but a lot of people are skeptical how this stuff is processed and put together. what is it about processed meat in particular that is so harmful? >> on this subject, gerri, it words are cheap and all in action and regulation of course. the problem with processed meats, a lot of chemicals are added to meat to result it being processed. cured meats, smoked meats. any meats in plastic packaging

contain a lost salt and chemicals. gerri: they're preserving it in part, right? >> that's right. essentiay the processed meats are processed in order to make the food have a longer shelf life and also potentially to make the food more palatable. thesare not high quality meats. we also need to make the not just processed meats. all red meats increasing risk of cancers. gerri: can it be all things in moderation? >> absolutely. the study that looked at this, huge study looked at processed red meats, they are advising patients who ate more than 1 off grams a day at great etf risk.% rri: how much is that? >> that essentially equals two saages and rash of bacon. that is 160 grams of processed meat. gerri: sausage and bacon in one day, that is not nothing. >> they said you should take 20 grams or less.

a rash of bacon will get you 20 grams of processed meats. anybody more than you're exceeding government guidelines that came out of the study. gerri: so to get down to kind of brass tacks because you talked about the diseases i could ultimately get, right? >> sure. gerri: i would over time develop, so what is it that these processed meats do to your body? >> well these processed meats contain chemicals called carcinogens. carcinens are chemicals that result normal cells changing into cancer cells. we know there are many chemicals like that. organic meat carries much less of a risk. these chemicals are in processed meat. there is lot of hormones in processed meat as well. they're not controlled. half the time we don't know wt is in there. the salt, the resulting in the preservative process, those could also add to cancer-causing cells. it's a big problem. it is a big problem. gerri: try to keep my bacon consumption under control. dr. phillip --

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gerri: another hurdle for housing today. of sales of existing homes

plunging to their lowest level in 18 months, dropping over 5% month to montho are more seris days ahead for housing or is this just a blip on the radar? joining us with advice for buyers and sellers is brian from halstead properties. thank you, brian. this is not pretty. this is not what we led to believe would happen. we thought housing would go through the roof. here we are at 16% down. how do you explain it? >> there is no max mart. we all know that. gerri: yep. >> i think this is more of a blip especially in certain regions. what we've seen, there is no inventory out there. people's incomes have not increased way we want them to. gerri: no. but housing prices and homes value have. ople have more equity to dip into but still hard to get those loans. it is reall tough right now. gerri: so there is a lot of headwind. >> there is. gerri: experts said, gerri, tat winter weather it just killed the market. we can't get anything sold.

>> that is part of it. some. numbers we've seen. these were sales de two months ago. so that is november-december. >> christmas shopping and allf that, gets colder. people go inssde but the fact is, certain markets, houston, new york city, i'm in it every day, throu the roof. gerri: really? >> there is just nothing to buy. gerri: so the prices drift ever higher because there is no inventory? >> that's it. it is really, you kw, that is what is driving it. gerr i wanto hear from an economist we talked to the other day. >> all right. gerri: this is fellow is optimistic about the u.s. economy, american economy and believes housing will drive it forwar this is jason benerly. listen to this. >> sure. >> we're optimist for houng for a fundamental reason which is we're underbuilding housing. the adult population is growing in the u.s. growing by a million and a quarter per year. there are teardowns in housing that are roughly 300,000 per year. so just to keep up with underlying demand, we need to

build housing at about a 1 1/2 million rate and we're not. other len oy building it at half -@of that rate. gerri: so there is jason and he saying hey, i'm so optimistic about this market i think housing alone pretty much is going to propel the u.s. economy by 4% this year. 4% gdp growth. do you see that? >> that is a lot of growth. look, some ssy the howing market got us into this mess. gerri: yes. >> and getting us out of it too. gerri: that is big thinkin from the government and this is why government always supported housing right. >> sure. gerri: once you get people buying housing and they're buying furniture and rugs, upgrading. >> absolutely. building of homes which we d't have enough of right no everyone said we would have this big second wave of foreclosures. gerri, where were they? thank god. >> still a lot of inventory on bankers books. we've seen that. but you kw we talked about the housing starts number. builder confidence is also down and those seem to be people that you're relying on in your forecast to get this party

started. gei: but look at buier stocks. lo atoll brother look at those stocks. people are putting their money into these stocks. this blip is not an indication that the recovery has halted. it's a caution but every market is different. new york city is very different. houston, los angeles everything is local in real estate and that is the thing. gerri: what is your takeaway advice for people, that want to by first-time home or second home? >> sure. gerri: where is the market strong and fundantally sound and great place to buy now? >> i like vegas, i really do. vegas, baby, i really do. you can't time a market. i tell my buyers all the time you can't time a market. if it makes sense for you and your family -- gerri: it is about your own finances. >> it is about your own finances. others are not in position to buy a second or third e home. international money is flooding they believe in our economy, i got to tell you that is not a

bad thing. gerri: not ad ba ink this. would i rather see americans believing. >> heck i would. i get many, many more americans than i do foreign buyers but i welcome all types. i'm a sales guy. at the end of the day you can't time markets and real estate i'm very bullish on it, very buish. gerri: i'm not surprised. yo better be. >> that's it. >> brian, thk you. >> my pleasure, gerri. thank you. gerri: happy weekend. >> and you. gerri: coming up "american idol" falling out of hamon anyith sony over unpaid royalties. our legal eagles weigh in. we debate theonnie that the economy is not suffering from underemployment, but listen to this, over employment! stay with us. (announcer) scottrade knows our clients trade and invest their own way. with scottrade's smart text, i can quickly understand my charts, and spend more time tradg. their quick trade bar lets my account follow me online so i can react in real-time. plus, my local scottrade office is there to help.

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have dropped out of the labor force. is this the end of worker? liberals say this may be a good thing. here to didiscuss it is ever credit strategist and american of surprise institute scholar. i think this is fascinating with growing sentiment of economists state and commentatorsho say at the end of the day that it is a good thing so they can do other things we can rewrite the tax code to make sure they have money for food and a of over their heads and drive a car what do you say? >> that is of the problem with 6.6% unemployment rate that is a problem. but we became the greatest country on earth because we've rewarded hard work. we're not doing that anymore because they are not paid wages they can live on.3 elizabeth warren has the

best ia to reward productivity. tie it to the minimum wage that would be $22 per hour instead of $7.25 instead of $10 and cents. gerri: wait. isn't this the most productive nation on the planet? or tweet already the most productive? >> we are very productive. i don't think we shld raise the minimum wage but with the earned income-tax credit or other idies. gerri: wage subsidies? what are you talking about? >> talking about the earned income tax credit as a mor direct subsidies to direct benefits to workers this is better than the minimum wage

we have a problem with knotty enough jobs -- not enough jobs and. gerri: but the reason is because we have offshore jobs, technology has improved and people are unemployed or underemployed. the specific economists loo at the problem to say that is the way the world is supposed to be. if we take that money from the 1% and give it to others then they will be free to right symphonies and make the world a better place. i think they are incredibly hopeful and i don't really understand their thinking. it sms like you said the court ethic of america is hard work pays. >> right to. but we're not paying for hard work people of working two or three jobs working 60 hours a week a they cannot

afford the basics. even wal-mart is considering raising the minimum wage was then that will open the door for everybody. that is what is great we consistently reported hard work so people could make a living. that iwhy we don't have the middle class we used to and the economy is lagging with no consumers. gerri: first of all, wal-mart td us they always look at the minimum wage issue and caps said they would raise those above the minimum ge. what makes more sense? finding more job opportunities and expanding the economy so people hire more people or give out money as wage subsidies? >> i certainly think is the economy improves more people will go back to work. with 20% unemployment with

young workers and 10% with adults that are at minimum wage jobs it seems to pay 40 percent more for every hour is not the best way. gerri: that is not worth of wanted to go with the whole conversation but the idea to redistribute income in order to allow of large portion of the workforce to sit on their keister does not make sense because our history is they use work as the organizing force and with out its people have pblems with no motivation. why do you think you are here and what do you want to do >> where you heathis argument is in europe for there is much higher unemployment rates and in the united states we are

high. basics to create more jobs and employ more people andr for those people. gerri: more jobs. michael? >> we need to reward work. she launched businesses to employthose minimum-wage workers and i think all of society needs to do that the earned income tax credit but not minimum wage expansion which would cost jobs. gerri: have a great weekend. thank you for your time. trscriptreleased by the federal reserve show a rare behind the scenes lookout the officials stilts with the crisis. >> the fed released transcripts of 14 scheduled an emergency poly meetings held 2008 as the crisis unfolded. it is standard policy that

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getting sued. >> because not their licensingf brilliant that is important because if they get three sets of the dollar needed to pay $0.50 so rightfully so they are saying that you're counting is wrong. gerri: is this a difference? >> in terms of the interpretation but basically th is the of love-hate relationship they cannot get the product to market without a distributor they say it is just like a record. you make it and we sell its. >> but it is licensing when you download they ly get it for the certain amount of time. >> that is not the way the company looks at it.

>> with a more precise contract to link wage if at the time. >> they build not know that. gerri: there is a lot of contract language so why does this happen over and er and over? >> they're not winning when they negotiate the agreements >> exaly. they are being exploited. kell clarkson now we know her name but she did not know the contracts even her lawyers are not sophisticated the enough. >> this is the company that supports "american idol" so to say that all these artists are basically getting shafted. but the company gets the revenue that comes from at.

gerri: so that was where i was going. so the background is complicated in to i don't know but do the hardest typically gets the shaft? >> yes. said they are coming forward to say we are smart enough to realize you drafted the contract a certain way sales verses' licensees deducting royalties. >> the point i want to make of was not the effective consumer it is millionaires versus billionaires'. [laughter] but its the age-old problem. if you think back to the of petrol lug this is how long people fighting for royalty is. gerri: we have all streaming of music how does that impact that?

>> and buses -- in this nse not t consumer you still pay for that licensing but it will come down to who gets the money from all of the sites and it should be 50/50 with the artist and distributor. >> contract between the internet or sony itis really at the artist. gerri: why not 50 percent? >> every betty tries to make the of money that they can make. they do advertising. >> they know how to make money. >> we don't have the litle guy working in the street theyre millionaire artist. >> but they hire other people to do other things to

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fraudulent claim has been filed and you have headach because the identity theft unit is strong but they take too long to resolve the cases. and if you have this problem the best piece of advice is to go to use taxpayer advocate service they have to resolve within 90 days irs could take up out of one year. gerri: 90 days sounds like a lot of for that case it is sht. the irs s paid 4 billion in fraudulent refunds that they will ki somebody else your money. th is scary. another big problem out there is phishing. >> s never initiates

contact by e-mail. if you get something that says it is from the irs do not en open it because you open yourself torouble. gerri: what about fraudulent refund scams? people ask for your social for the last digits but are there other ways? >> there are ways where you are promised you will get a bigger refund and you are entitled. once you buy into the scheme on like anywhere else where you are out of your money, it inflates th refund the irs finds out not only is the preparer responsible with due diligence but so are you to pay the extra tax but penalties. remember if it sounds too

good to be true it probably is. gerri: in reality once they find an agent preparing tax returns doing bad things they will not just get one client but all of them. so if somebody is preparing tax filings for everybody they are aggressive don't sign up. could be a problem down the road and you will get in trouble. not jus the person making the false filings. >> with the arguments come and go this is what tax protesters use to get out of paying taxes but many of them are sold as information kits suchs the 16th

amendment was never ratified so you don't have to pay taxes or leaf while this form to declare yourself as a sovereign entity or even worse file your own than 99 to understates your id, but all of these are begging for trouble. if you have the beef how your tax dollars are spent protest through the citizen group if not mind then go to another organization but don't make those mistakes. gerri: d iirs is not kidding. some people were coming to their doors if they don't pay the bills. up tey can take anything they want. great to see you. have a great weekend. real threat would dash be right back our retirement

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