the very name of the biggest oligarch of all, thanking bill get as so very much. that's it for us tonight. john: springtime. you know what that means. >> what really needs cleaning is government. they over flow with stuff we should throw out, corporate welfare. that should not exist. education, spending there should not be a federal education department. we don't need that. locally. >> more money. more money. >> government is crammed with expensive stuff we don't need, much does harm like marm subsidies. -- farm subsidies. it distorts food prices, get rid

of it. >> i thought i would share spring-cleaning tips. for people who are not as good at cleaning as i am. john: people like these guys. they almost never throw any of the rules or subsidies out, they add new ones, the rules, and subsidies for rich people, and the politically connected. we ought to get rid of all this stuff. is it possible? sure, it could be done. spring-cleaning, that's our show, tonight. john: where to begin?

so much of government needs cleaning out. but politicians produce reminds me of that creepy tv show called hoarders. >> hoarders. people whose lives are swallowed up by piles of their possessions. >> that describeed wored washinn d.c., they just keep adding junk, they never throw anything out, when president obama ran for office, he said he would take out the garbage. >> i'm not a democrat who believes we should defend every government program just because it is there, there are some that don't work. john: politicians always say they will get rid of the west, but when in power they spend more, as he has. i hate politicians, not all of them. there is one senator who doesn't to clean the waste out of washington, every year, his office puts out this waste book.

details stupid subsidies like $10 million you spent to partner national guard with superman. >> we're going to -- the connection with national guard. john: $10 million for that also, national endow am for humanitys, gave a million of your money to something called popular romance project. goal, study the influence of romance through novels and film. >> as far as a woman and a man is concerned, i like to read about passion. >> what makes love, love? >> who doesn't want a love story with a happy ending? john: me, i don't want one, when tax payers are forced to pay for things like that video. only senator who vita fights gan

is tom coburn thank you. >> why did we have excess supply we had. john: a quarter million dollars to stpaoud americatudes toward . >> yeah, isn't that really important, maybe some things you might see, is something that government might do some time but not with our deficit. maybe we should return the money to the taxpayers, rather than wasteing it on frivolous things like that. john: and having politicians paying people who study the filibusters sounds like congressmen self dealing. >> it is, no question. and why would they raise that? that is say political points of

contention in the senate. why it is stkaouded righ studye? someone wanted it studyed. john: $150,000 for puppets take long island. >> the ex tra extravagant role f federal government, we're going to take money from middle income working families and put it in a puppet show from federal government to a local community, and here is your money. you know, here is how you can spend it rather than not take the money in the first place. place. i can't find go connection of that in constitution. so how do we get there? through careerists. ignoreing u.s. constitution,. john: i wish you were a careerist, but are retiring this year, we will miss these waste

books, will any of your colleagues continue that? >> i am certain in one way or another the waste book will continue. john: you don't know who is going to carry that on. >> i may continue it from outside of washington or it may be continued inside of washington. john: i understand, why most politicians are rebuc relug tano propose -- reluctance to propose cuts, mitt romney proposed to stop throwing government money at public television. television. $300 million, pbs is rich, it does not need, that yet look how or fiscally responsible president responded. >> thank goodness someone is getting tough on big bird. it is about time. >> bernie madoff, den is kozlowski, criminals, gluttons of greed. and evil genius who towered over them, one man. >> big bird.

>> big bird. >> we didn't know that big bird was driving the federal deficit. john: and senator it and i clever smear. big bird is not driving the deficit, but it iss are 300 million. >> john, there are 10,000 big birds. america is -- as a whole is a pretty mature group of people. and if you really talk with them anywhere we are, and what is going to happen, what we have to do, and say, it is not pain or no pain it is some pain now. or significantly pain later. and we don't have any politicians to tell the truth to the american people. >> and the pain that comes later by not addressing these issues now is severe. john: thank you, senator, tom coburn we'll miss your service. >> i will be watching you. >> good. a lot of waste in government that is not in coburn's waste books like the $98,000 that

interior department spend on this out house in alaska. and the million dollar spend on this fancy bus stop in washington, d.c. mattie duppler with americans for tax reform, you point-out stuff like the out house, and the bus stop are a tiny part of what needs cleaning out. >> and a million here and there, it seems like a small part of what the government spending. 3.7 trillion every year, but this is how we get to the product of that huge government. with one sense to wh senator whn out house in alaska, another with a bus stop. that is what gets the ball rolling on a lot of big spending projects. john: what gets me most, wer corporate welfare, tax mayor money going to rich people, bicyclist and upport it? >> the left, we need some kind of fairness, not fair to give away to corporate america because they are already too

rich. john: democrats push public broadcasting, greed energy, art subsidies, republicans also support farm subsidies, and they back nasa. >> you see a lot of republicans trying to protect for av blue affluent defense contractors who get a lot of work out of the pentagon budget. >> both parties, support the ethanol subsidy or have so for, you say entitys that didn't on government are like ticks? >> it is a parasiteic relationship. when you have, corporate welfare, individual pay outs, and outlays going to you know politically connected people, they all want a bite of that apple. when you have the host, federal government giving it out, every parasite wants to be first to the hoist, they know that last one is not getting those federal dollars they need. john: they need the host but they suck its blood and kill it.

>> yeah. >> president citeed two government programs. >> we need to cut back. like export imfort import bank. john: they still exist, export, import bank, that sounds nice we'll help people export and imforth. >> the thrust behind that is that other governments subsidize their companys so much we need to subsidize ours to compete that is the thinking that our government has, rather than making us more globally competitive. we decide we need to pay companieser to mocompete with companys that are paid by their government. john: president mentioned eda,

economic development administration. >> a mini stimulus program that institutionalize in federal government they give out grants to economically imever t impoved areas, there has never been a met nick place to say what is an impoverished area, and why do they need money, it is just free checks written. >written. >> there no evidence it really helps the poor. >> right. john: from picking winners and losers, giving politicss more moyer. >> keeping people poor. john: another program flood insurance. >> there is no such thing as private flood insurance. john: there would be if the government were not stomping on it with its big feet. >> the program is something that actually just been passed in both houses, you have republicans, and democrats lineing up to support the idea,

that we need too subsidize premiums for people who buy beach houses, in risk i areas because that beach house on a beach which may flood. john: i was guilty of accepts that wasteful subsidy, i was young and stupid, i built a beach house, on the edge of the atlantic ocean, a risky place to build but i build it anyway because a federal government guaranteed my investment. >> it can happen to you, protect yourselfe your home. >> flood insurance program provideed valuable protect where approximately 5.5 million homeowners. john: taxpayers may help to foot the bill if a flood strikes a celebrity's home in malibu beach. i never inviteed you there, but you paid forny new first floor. john: the whole house went in

the ocean, and you paid again. after hurricane sandy they were going to say, we're losing too much money. everyone agree but when it came time to do it, oh, no people will be hurt. >> washington lacks courage to do anything that would reform these programs, it never really comes to fruition. john: market access program. >> a program run through usda to allow you know foreign companies to you know promote our industry here abroad but this goes to a lot of the industrys here, that are farm program subsidizeed. john: pet food, sunkist, and welch's food, and wine. >> yes. and those that we heavily subsidize like soeu, and cotton, they get a ton of money to go elsewhere and talk about how important this industry is.

and other countrys should be buying this product from us, despite the fact it makes it very expensive to do so. john: small business. >> probably about 99% of businesses da qualify under thig fore program, it is a great jobs program for members of congress, not for jobs in america it allows politicians to say they given money to businesses to hire and employee people to -- it is funneling money. not to be able to return their loans. john: they don't have a great lone record. >> no. john: maritime administration. >> we like to think when we were building ships and planes and shiny things we create a lot of jobs and helping the nation, if they were things that were profitable and enterprise that help the american economy they would succeed on their own without federal taxpayer dollars, this is what fueled the quid pro quo in washington and grows the size of government.

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john: government is crammed with expensive stuff we don't need, much does harm like farm subsidies they distort food prices, get rid of this stuff, to me it is obvious it is wrong to undecidto -- subsidize certas but politicians told me i am wrong. blake hurst i is a farmer. >> that helps take some of the risk out of farming. >> all right before i give you a hard time, about taking risks

out are farming, have you 6,000 acres. >> with my large family. john: a half corn and half soybban. most think that corn is corn on the cob. >> corn used for cattle feed, exported, and ethanol. john: most not corn on the cob? >> no, you wouldn't want to eat my feel corn on the cob. john: soybeans oil. >> and about half and half oil, half soybean meal to cattle food, paltry feed, and hog feed, and oil on the salad. john: we're glad you are produceing this stuff, but why should we guarantee your assurance like on welfare. >> i don't look at it that way, we have a insurance program. john: buy your own. >> i do pay for if every year. my bill this year over $20,000. john: it is cheaper because government has 19 billion in

subsidy. >> research is a very big part of the farm bill we use to look for new products for farmers and new ways to fight disease. john: why? >> we had a long tradition of supporting agricultural in this country. to homestead act. john: they first passed it, they didn't understand that free markets worked better. >> they always had an interest in supporting agricultural, and i think it has been a good investment i would lining to won't out -- like too point-out that. >> that we have silicon valley without handouts, most farmers don't get them. >> everyone in silicon valley has unemployment insurance that is subsidizeed by federal government, free market best way to allocate resources, i talk about farm subsidies when i started farming in mid 1980s, government told me what i could plant, where i could plant and how much i could, we moved away

from that, it is better now, they used to pay me to take land out of production, they no longer todo that. which is helping our insurance bills, and so, i think it is -- we made progress. john: most farmers don't get subsidies. >> i -- >> artichoke, abou banana. >> latest did -- >> most go to richest 10%. >> most farmers, subsidies are tied pr to production, they go o larger farmers. john: welfare for the rich. >> to help what people see as an imper tpebgdz in market, they will not work unless they involve farmer -- larger markets. i have not raised a crop in 3 years, we had two years of drought going into a third 92 that is life, buy insurance. >> and i am, $20,000 a year.

>> it might cost more if the government were not. >> it would. >> they are protecting you against failure, most restaurants fail, a quarter of retail stores fail within 4 years. >> most people entered farming in the 80s are no longer in farming it is still possible to fail. john: subsidies diser t distorte market. we keep sugar prices high. we may is after a fa poor farmer taxpayer spend 19 billion causing more dir distortion that hurt us. >> i would argue, it keeps the prices low, i think consumer benefit from crop insurance, by keeping food prices low.

john: in this new bill, we try to find out who is getting move of the money, they are not allowed to say, we can't know if you are getting a million dollars or nothing, why should it be a secret. >> it is not a secret, how much do you spend on the insurance is that public knowledge. last farm bill had direct payments that was public knowledge, those have been deleteed in this farm bill, they have been cut out, that is an advantage, i don't know what my subsidy is, but they pay about half of it, i receive about $20,000. john: no industry should get a special deal. >> i think that all of us, have to believe in the market, it works we do. i think that farm programs, which have been around for 80 years, of kind you are talking about, have moved rapidly toward that market. i think though that it takes time to get people to adjust, and farming is unique, because the risk we face from weather,

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>> we have to invest. john: washington always talks about investment. >> is education an expense or investment? john: that just sounds right to people, common sense that schools would be better if they 'more money but neil mccluskey

studys it what have you found. >> it is like death valley. if you look at spending, staffing like a space shuttle taking off, huge increase. john: we have your chart from cato. top line spending second line staffing. >> it is not really investment it is more about political rhetoric, say you are spending money on something that sounds good. you know you are not getting results that you want and you are promising. john: the data shows, you say this, and yet, the president says this. >> we could keep harmful cuts to s to education programs or give more kids a head start. john: we could keep harmful cuts, have there been any cuts? >> if you get rid of the stimulus $100 billion for education. education. john: then a cutback a little bit. >> a little bit. but.

massive, increaseing on a per people basis of spending. john: the washington post now gets it in almost every state, aim of money spend per pupil has more than doubleed in 40 years. >> problem is, that most people down realize that and most people because they are not wonks le me the they can't spend fore ever researching education policy, they hear it, they think that is good, and if i spend more then i will get a better product. john: why don't we, usually you get better for more money. >> the people we're spending money to, they don't have to earn it, they get it from our taxes no matter how they perform, they have no incentive to do better, their incentive to to say we're not doing better. john: in 19 seufrpbgt 1970 costo through from kindergarten to

high school, today it is about $164 thousand, it is all inflation adjusted, and yet the scores are no better. >> we spend more for -- k-12 in almost every other country, our test scores did not reflect that. john: a few politician on left now acknowledge that demands for money are absurd, he here is the government of my state. >> i said the same thing for decades, more money, more money, and will change, we spin more money for pupil than any state in the nation, we're number 32 in results, it is not just about putting more money in public school system, it is trying something new. john: a relief to hear this this guy is used to be a major socialist, now he says, gee, money is not going to do it. >> we moved to more choice, that is what is key, have the people that schools are supposed to serve decide where the money

goes, we've seen big growth in charter schools, they are semi private, semi public, and voucher programs, and tax credit programs. >> having a choice, focusing the mind, suddenly school says, this school is doing better, maybe we should try what they are doing? >> look at washington d.c. they have seen big increaseing in test scores for a lot of ryan, one is they have a robust charter sector. they do have a private school vouch irprogram and a choice that people don't think about, if you don't like schools in dc, you can move to virginia or maryland, they hemorrhageed studenteed that forceed them to make reforms. at least, if you were in dc, you could move a couple miles and be in another state, the points is, people voteed with their feet. and that is what made the dc public schools nut reforms that really mattered. john: and in the dc they spent

about 20,000 dollars per student? for the bad schools. >> a money -- i think more than that, i think about 28,000, but they have made reforms, nowhere near preform, because people were able to choose the charter schools, private schools, and go somewhere else, they had to try to make changes, meaningful changes to the public school. john: if we could stpreupbg cleaspring clean thegovernment d there be need for government? >> only thing you might need government for, same as you have laws that say you can't neglect a child. if someone thinks you are not educates your child, the government has a right to step in, otherwise this is nothing that should be driven by parents who care the most about their kids know the most about their kids stphaoerbg ven doos. john: even poor parents care a lot. >> we have seen that. they become informed consumers now they are power.

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john: help, i'm strapbg eling here, i want to create something new, build something, insrep invent something but i am drowning in thousands of regulations, many are old and out dateed. nobody knows what is in rules, but if i disaboy one, i am in trouble, i guess i'll give up, why try, it's too hard. john: i fear that is the new american attitude, many would be entrepreneurs look at spider web of rules and give up. jeff rose is a lawyer who defending small businesses

against what he considers unconstitutional government regulations, what have you seen. >> it piles up and piles up. one thing we've seen is virginia, cracking down on medical innovation, a thing called a virtual colonoscopy, you can look in someone, find out if they have cancer without putting anything inside them, sounds great? not to virginia. you have to get their permission, and they want you to spend hundreds of thoughts of dollars to find out if there a need for your service. john: we ask for a response from the help owesization, they said -- association, they said new businesses will skim the crime of well paying patients and leave hospitals to treat those without resources to cover cost of their care. >> this is ludicrous. if the government thinks that hospitals need to be subsidized, it should do that, it should not

man inlate the market. john: -- manipulate. john: and the fda, a camera that would allow you to like a pill, you swallow it, and the doctor sees what he sees, and they have approveeed it but only for those who have an obstruction, they cannot have a colonoscopy, why is this not the patient's choice. >> it should be, but last thing that is important in the way that government approachs medicine is to give patients a choice. john: even if you succeded in building something. if you get past all that spider webs, the day you don't know if government will take what you built from you. and were it not for jeff's group it would have happened in a charity in california. >> capital call, is a rescue for city's at risk youth. >> it helps me a lot.

>> in our gang-fested homes, and broken homes we pro spread a safe haven. john: to build condos, city declareed gym blighted they make take the land with this emam em. >> do domain law. >> a classic robin hood in reverse. out of control corporate welfare. john: a connectioned insider. >> to build condos for rich yuppies, which citys like they don't like struggling kids to stay out of gangs and off drugs. john: so far have you won this case. >> we just delivered fine 58 knock out punch to property brighto rights abu in californi -- rights abuse in california. judge said you cannot take property, that is not blighted that is only been declareed blighted in move it from the hands of those who own it to hands those who want it, but down top pay for it. john: one merexample about laws

that govern hair salon. >> came into my salon, they said i was under arrest, they took me to jail for braiding hair. john: 7 copping said she was under arrest for braiding hair? >> does american civilization really need kos -- it r . john: his group, made a video that explains when a hair braidy would have to do to legally run a salon. >> to teach braiding for a living, government said i she mt turn it to a 2000 square foot barber college, and install things that have nothing to do with braiding like 10 barber chairs and 5 wash stations, she will never use. isauro aguirre needand and also shorthaired mannequins and barbering textbooks and back-to-school fo for 750 hours.

john: most people say i guess i'll do it or i won't go into that business. >> an atary barrier to a entrepreneur who wants to make a life better for her, and people she is going to teach to braid. john: but not totaly arbitrary, they had a reason for pushing these rules. >> reason is to throw up the barrier so that existing the businesss don't face competition. competition. >> politically connected establishment keeps newcomers out. >> and making her, turn her salon to a barber college to teach braiding is like making a plumber go to law school. john: thank you jeff rowes. coming up more of this need in spring-cleaning. things like america's destructive drug war. >> my guess would be marijuana an unlawful substance used to

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>> as an approach. no. john: so, america continues to spend billions of dollars, and locks up mercitizens than any other country even russia and china. result? best i can tell, no effect on drug use, it has gone up and down, but worse than no progress our laws create crime. because of the drug war we have a black market. we have gang warfare in parts of america. still even liberal poo politicis say we have to fight this war. one who says that is former congressman patrick kennedy, someone who struggleed with drug abuse himself. why do you wt more of this more that failed ee even you. >> we know what works, public health, drug use often

correlates to sense of permissiveness. and when we lowered our standards, by calling it medical marijuana, more people use, if particularly teenagers. john: how do you know more people use in portugal they decriminal used, fewer use. >> i rely on national institute of health for my information they came out with a survey of add lesseaddadd lesadolescent ds the highest. not surpriseing. my big thing, is the issue of commercialization of another addictive substance. we saw how tobacco with joe camel targeted kids to become smokers. i worry about with big marijuana we'll is a new tao*rg industry, thatobacco industrythat targetsf

with mood disorders, depressed. they will do now in addition to drinking, they will now have marijuana. i don't think that is a very good combination for the future. john: if marijuana is legal, in terms of exposeing kids, opposite is true, legal sales take dealers out of the schoolyard, where there are no legal stores dealers have an incentive to to go to kids, this commercial, what we may see if we live in a state that does goingize marijuana. >> i got tuna, and salmon, and finest is ciancia shaoefpy they have seen in year -- sashimi you have seen in years, you wouldn't buy sushy from this guy, why would you buy marijuana from him. john: they don't need to sneak into schools, they have something to lose ify this sell to kids. >> problem is, you are going to increase overall demand, even in

colorado, we see -- >> how do you know that? you done answer my question, maybe use would go up for a while, i think it would go down after, but they have no evidence, it is not legalized yet. >> problem john, when you legalize it. and like with liquor, we can't put this horseback in the barn that horse is out of the barn. problem is there is probably 6 lobbyists, for every state representative, i cannot count the number of lobbyists in washington who are liquor lobbyists, if you think we're ever going to curtail advertisement for hard liquor, we are seeing on news networks or billboard that was unthinkable 10 years ago. john: do you want to go back to hprohibition. >> you can't, try to regulate liquor, because of the power of the industry. i am say, rather than start a

new industry, why not stop, learn what happened with tobacco, and where they lieed about it for 6 injur 60 years, t we've seen with liquor, not repeat the same with marijuana. john: thank you congressman kennedy, we agree to disagree. >> thank you, john. john: coming up, a list of a hundred government programs that need spring-cleaning, we should dump all of them. in the new new york, we don't back down. we only know one direction: up so we're up early. up late. thinking up game-changing ideas, like this: dozens of tax free zones across new york state. move here. expand here. or start a new business here... and pay no taxes for 10 years. with new jobs, new opportunities and a new tax free plan. there's only one way for your business to go.

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when we rely on government grants, we don't take care of ourselves, we become more passive, didn' department depenn out the government, most of the useless cabinet departments and most of the $4 trillion in spending that is going to bankrupt us, there is so much in washington, and state capitals should ought to be swept out, i have my own list of things i hate about the government, it took just a few minutes to come up with a hundred. things like lawing that stop me from opening my own lemonade stand, that dictate where kids must attend school. 750 hours of useless barber classes required to braid hair, bans on gambleing and other interacts between consents adults. and so on.

let's spring clean the stuff away. now politicians concerned about big government usually focus on burden of taxes, they are too high. i am more worried about quantity of the rules. i say, that is why you can't get a job. employment usually bounces light back after recessions, but not this time, who wants to hire people or start a business, when you have to deal with this level of complexity. john: i would be agree to try. and every day, thousands of regulators are busy at work creating more rules, always more. if you are a regulator, you think, i'm not doing my job. i wish they would pass a stossel rule, just says, for every new law or regulation you pass, you must repeal 5 old ones this would be a start. maybe in a hundred years wild be becomwe'llbe back to this rule e

constitution, this is what made america great, not all this stuff. that is our show, enjoy spring. see you next week. gerri: hello, everybody, i'm gerri willis. right now on "the willis report", a different group of americans now living paycheck to paycheck of the new phenomenon of the wealthy hand to mouth. employers demanding to know details of your sex life. it's happening but is it legal? and buyer beware. thousands of recalled gm cars and trucks still for sale and gm says it can do nothing bit. we're watching out for you on "the willis report" gerri: our top story, falling through the cracks