♪ ♪ neil: welcome, everyone, i am neil cavuto. if republicans can't kill the health care on their own, consider this their hail mary pass. arguing that there is a higher authority they must answer to. not the supreme court. because their argument isn't about the cost of the health care law or those supposedly provided in health care law. this is about the devil in the details of that law. the double himself dominating the theme of outlaw and the law of the founder called hobby lobby, saying that the bullet

points are key features. this company and many others are doing just like it. acb affordable care act fords little time and violates their religious freedom. that is their way of saying that the law itself is a sin and they cannot sign onto it and that includes coverage for birth control, contraceptive mandates and even abortions to which they are adamantly opposed. and if hobby lobby's please ardmore, this would need the ultimate slap in the face to free speech and what a slap in the face to god. i think you should watch this one carefully because this isn't about the spirit of the health care law. this is about a group arguing that there is no sphere in the health care law. invalid and immoral and impossible. with me now is daniel.

good to have your. >> thank you for having me. >> the position here is that it's a violation of the religious freedom restoration act and not so much a violation of the first amendment but something that the senate had approved an overwhelmingly endorsed as a sort of failsafe all first amendment thing. >> with the religious freedom restoration act is protect american citizens from being forced by the government to violate their religious beliefs. unless the government has a really good reason and enforces it and in a way that is like a laser like focus, not just a broad sweep with everything also we are concerned about, but something very specific area of your talking about is a law that specifically says we are going to make you a family-owned business to provide these abortion inducing drugs, we're

going to make you pay for those and provide those to your employees. and we are just saying that there is a matter of our fundamental religious believes. so what makes you think this one will stand? >> well, what the government generally argues in these situations, they figure we can make an exception for these religious evil because we do that than all of these people come you have to force those two

be a part of this. and the second part of a havarti given exemptions everyone asked in this exams tens of millions of americans and thousands of health care plans from having to comply. but the government turns around and says we would leave all those people out there and not bother them for political purposes. neil: so what is to stop the company then to pay the penalty. it's a lot cheaper than it would

be to endure this type of coverage and doing things that they are morally opposed to. >> yes, the government says that these drugs that they will provide, let's go back, the family is clear that they are willing to provide 16 of the 20 drugs that the federal government wants them to provide. just for drugs that have the potential to take innocent human life. but they said we can do this. to do so those four drugs the federal government is willing to find these and other family businesses millions of dollars area. neil: they can say to heck with her writing insurance, but it would be the ultimate irony and maybe the cheaper alternative to say as much as we would like to cover workers under this, we're just not going to be able to comply with the law and so we will suck this up and it's a lot cheaper than having to be part of this law.

>> we have this penalty and it's not just the penalty that we have to pay there. but also when they kicked the employees off the insurance, that's not good for the type of work they are trying to do and then they will try to resolve their salaries to compensate.

and the questions that we received from the court today were very indicative that the court was taking this seriously. when they came to court they were cautiously optimistic. they saw questions that said your argument here is unprecedented. you are trying to make us say that there is a fundamental incompatibility between serving god and earning a dollar and we've never seen that before. neil: kennedy said that? >> justice roberts pointed that out and justice kennedy said that's the next step.

neil: i also heard there was a freak snowstorm in washington. but thank you so much for showing up. >> thank you. the one coming up, wal-mart admits that it has lacking profits. it's not because their companies are poor but because americans entitlements are so incredibly rich. and from one to another, guess what the senate majority leader is arguing now? republicans are behind this entire ukrainian mass. plus, here is all you need to know as to why this is a textbook example of how not to handle a plane crash. texting the families who say their loved ones are

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[crying] neil: they gave her answers. get a load of this. don't they give you a an option on your phone that you can either call or text the number two? so forget about if they ever found this estate for now. focus on the competent malaysian government finding those on this missing plane. this marketing expert says they couldn't make any bigger mistake. i couldn't believe this but it sounds like you had a thousand families to reach out to you and you are the expert and i'm not. what do you think? >> i think it's shocking. it's truly appalling.

the on the malaysian the malaysian authorities said that we are to made it clear in our press conferences that there is very little help that find. >> i don't agree with that at all. this is about being

transactional? of course, it should've been relational. every bit of news to people that are holding on hop against hope that the families are alive, that alone is just hard to imagine. then think about the fact that with nature being a part of this. there would be no means and the whole world is watching everything they do. and let's face it, brands actually find their strength and their true value. it demonstrates that the cares and it matters and this is important. and that is if they even have the whole corporal issue but they are considered separate in malaysia. neil: they just didn't see that

there was an emotional connection to this. they resented the fact that so many governments were involved in finding this. >> it's the only presumption of arrogance. and when it's possible and it's probably very likely that we will never see them again and they are is not always anything to do to demonstrate that matters.

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revolutionary. neil: i slapped him yesterday. but i'm telling him, i'm not doing a music video. you can send us a tweet. if you are on facebook, i'm going to read your comments at the end of the show. and not as many components as i would like by the way. so go on, telling me how much you love me and so on. well, it didn't surprise me that wal-mart admitted to get a lot of customers that buy with food stamps. that's what kind of turned my head and a lot of others have as

well. it was a surprise. one in five americans do get food stamps. they get some type of food assistance. but it got a lot of wal-mart critics thinking what is so different about wal-mart line on government and the big banks on all of that free federal money. food for thought. is it enough? have more on whether this is proof. at wal-mart stating the obvious. but isn't that a kick in the teeth. >> that's one of the things they buy the ways than $7 million a year in which almost 80% are participating in the budgetary and appropriations portion of

things and it kind of makes you wonder. neil: people can use food stamps anywhere. but they do have the cheapest food stamps. is that surprising? >> it does not. out of shock i am agreeing with you the guess that this is an implication and vulture capitalism added most. >> my local grocer mom-and-pop shop are all for that. here we have something where wal-mart moves into the community expecting corporate handouts expecting tax incentives and all sorts of tax breaks which it gets through lobbying and then turns around

and gets taxpayer money to make a profit. it's like agreeing the this is part of it and i just think that this is really glaring and it may be a sign of the times that even those companies that are very lost a fair and i would include dates all the way to wal-mart, they are big beneficiaries of this. >> this is another portion and we look at fast food chains also accepting this and this is supposed to be food and nutrition and not kfc or taco bell. that series of forms as i mentioned this lobbyist ever. we are supposed to have elected officials and that is why so many people are now opening their eyes to this type of capital at chisholm and

corporatism. >> they still run roughshod over the little guys. it's human nature for them to benefit whether their food stamps are up. >> yes, but it's the corporate environment and the difference is my local butcher doesn't have lobbyists. and they have tax abatement and that is the difference. if it is a community based thing. >> i'm not for them at that level. neil: that would be that we are

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>> francis was blocked by some republicans, these important sanctions have not taken place. the russian lawmakers don't always know whether events would have unfolded differently if the united states responded in this way. >> if it's impossible to know, why did you say that it is impossible to know? you're putting this crimea thing on republicans. leaving aside that vladimir putin would have grabbed this whether ukrainian egg was approved in the senate or not. what is wrong and wanted to make sure that whatever aid has been promised those who the right folks. let's just say that the track record on our aid doesn't give much hope the money gets to whoever it is intended. and don't even get me started on

that. to michael meehan who says there is nothing wrong accountability and here is what i part with the leader. to blame republicans and crimea falling because of it. >> it is lunacy. one is this not a relief ill when it contains $60 billion to guyana or if this is what is wrong with washington. everything has to be passed without reading it, absorbing it, debating it and making it accountable and harry reid is now blaming the republicans for the invasion. last time i looked at the constitution our president was in charge. it is the weakness of obama's foreign policy. he is a hyper polar majority

leader but can you imagine if a conservative republican said something that was this absurd and i'm glad you're doing this segment and that harry reid is in called out. he just made a keep her. this is a bill that not only does what we need to do to put the russians on defense, but it expands the russian influence in the imf. at the same time you're trying to send a signal that this is not acceptable behavior. you are sending another signal in the exact opposite we are going to expand the influence throughout this but is being attached. neil: ted cruz was saying i am all for helping of ukrainians, but i'm not for doing it through the imap or it so there are reasons why republicans and others give posture just writing a blank check and i'm wondering what the strategy could be here. it's already a big embarrassment on the president. i don't think entirely deserved.

there's a lot of factors at play in your dealing with an opportunistic night and a guy who is reading the past 70 of the western world, but then to turn it around and say it's all because this is at best a stretch. don't you think? >> absolutely. >> that showed what happened. it shows what happens when america pulls back and doesn't provide the leadership that the world needs from america. if the president hadn't been caught down in syria, what he needed was a letter couldn't come in and play the role to get him out of the situation when he is drawn a red line that he wasn't willing to enforce. neil: a real leader is not going to do that. what do you think? be much of anything, the pointing of fingers sends a message about how dysfunctional the democratic government is and they control the white house and they control the senate. and the senate with this aid

package has made a farce of foreign policy. neil: we just showed a graphic. it's not a full screen. but it's like inside screen. anyway, it was something that said this. but they are the russians $1.5 billion in gas and energy payments and whatever money that we give them doesn't go right to the russians, which is probably not our intention. >> absolutely. not only the billion dollars in aid, but don't you think that vladimir putin will starve them out reed if he controls a lot of the cards that we have no influence on in that part of the world. everyone is looking to america were again we are giving money to the imf in this case and with the internet's running into the u.n. in that case. so the united states is surrendering and bolstering the

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company did in fact know that it had the safety issues and can only keep them from customers but from shareholders as well. thereby falsely propping up the stock. jim insistently said that it has yet to take personal responsibility and that is very different, i am told. my next guest says it's not all that different. with me now is robert wolf. is this lawyer had a chance? >> i think they have a very good chance. this has spanned a decade. 2001 is the first year. you have lawsuits and engineering companies and reports to the safety transportation authority and all over the place. they made a conscious decision along the way and this is from the company that it was cost-effective. it's one of the reasons not to have the recall.

neil: the company has argued that they did nothing wrong. but the gist of their argument is that we didn't deliberately deceive anyone, we had a few cases where suits were involved but that always happens and we didn't connect the possibility to better than which would later prove to be the case. by the way, what do you make of that. that they didn't connect those dots until they saw no reason to. >> i think the experts disagree. but in 2007 it should've been a recall. and we're talking about what is public. >> that's interesting. by 2007 and 2008 we have a bail out and about sign for this to go public. you can understand the reasoning. >> he gets worse. in 2009 they were in a bankruptcy situation and very important to them to maintain

their financial life successfully get out of the bankruptcy and one thing that is very important as their limited liability disclosure and exposing this cobalt issue and jeopardizing their financial situation. neil: when you go into bankruptcy, sometimes it's not the responsibility of the new company and they were very insistent upon that. >> this is what is aggravating. the nonpublic information and security fraud and vote civil and criminal. seating of the sec investigation, the criminal investigation. but you have this concealment that is just shocking and extraordinary. and they said that we idn't do what we should have done. that's what the company has said and we have financial reasons going through the bankruptcy not to have this come out in full bloom and jeopardize their

financial life. instead you have people that work for the company and retirees that invest. it's not all the eggs in the basket but a lot of the eggs. they put these people at tremendous risk. neil: robert wolf, thank you so much. all about how we are blowing it on this pipeline thing a day after ceo behind that pipeline exclusively told me this. >> looking at all of the delays and the administrative hassles we've had to encounter, you regret getting involved in this? >> obviously five and a half years of the process here has gone what does everything mean to you? with the quicksilver cash back card from capital one, it means unlimited 1.5% cash back

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that this administration and this procedure would be a royal getaway, this and that. that sounded very good. >> i'm a strong believer in development of resources. but the question is would he want to get it from. it has nothing to do with alternative energy. it's just how we want to get it, where you want to get it from end we think a pipeline from canada makes the most logical sends. neil: relying on guys like vladimir putin has us in a big pickle. and tonight business lits. we need and all of the above strategy to stop relying on

countries like russia and the administration says the same thing. so why are they not practicing it? should we be looking at all energy options even the greener ones? >> i listened to your interview yesterday. so we need oil from all sources. wouldn't you rather get it from canada? natural gas, given to different parts of the world. neil: you hit on an important point. we could then tell the europeans because all of these contracts to you, we have it here. but because we can't do that and won't do that because we don't have enough to do that presently, vladimir putin has the advantage. doesn't he? >> yes, he does. i think the bottom line is the more options that people aren't

forced into common more that we have and the more positive it will be. if we can't deliver that, they are kind of stuck. so i think moving forward we need to be given more options and move forward. >> the longer that we delay this, we will have a decision in a few months. >> it's a big concern here is why. this is a clash between economics and politics and politics aside, most americans would say that i want more jobs and pay less for my fuel and that's why every possible source needs to be fully explored especially in today's economy when people are pinching pennies more than ever. neil: another subject very quickly. e-mails and not recruiting each other's talents. this way they would not be forced to pay competitive salaries.

they did settle the dispute with the department of justice civil case. %o where is the public outrage? so where is the public outrage? >> they're keeping wages low, that is criminal, if you asked me. >> the bottom line, to be a criminal is a moral. competition is what made this country so great. so then what's next? every other country will do this as well? my idea is people before profits in the free market has to go forward. >> apparently the free markets were rewarding some of these senior vps that were getting out of hand but they don't have to pay it, right? >> that is right. the key comes down to one word and it's called fairness.

people watching this feel like they can't be compensated fairly for the work that they do -- also think about the unemployed people who can't find a job and ultimately the consumer will say this is a company that i can do business with and the jury is still out. and it doesn't give business and he better returns as to how people think about business today. >> absolutely. and there are these really smart guys that have the degrees. >> absolutely. that's the way it is. neil: guys, thank you so much.mn heaven. would win a triple threat match between a? fennessy tweet. the results will come up next.

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the. >> neil: the sensation is now. what is the deal to work with such mediocrity. how can you be so perfect and you must be a same. i would send them packing to the. well, i know so much of what you are saying. take my staff committee can't get it right to save their lives. so okay, he is sobered up now.

so i'm tempted to fire them all. i work very hard to show them the way. but if they still don't get it by easter, see later. you would deserve far better than those whose jobs you carry every day. your quite right. when they rely on the prompter. anyway, they cannot keep up with my immediate supernova, so they are not supernova-ish. but on marketing, leave it to a professional wrestler internet star to me in the right direction that we could both benefit working together maybe by coming up with my own wrestling name. >> this is the one that i went for. you know, you and i are simpatico.

%> so then you travel to simpatico. >> so then you travel to bakeries across the world. >> pretty much. but can you imagine what that would be like? >> all right, great social media talks came out and i'm a social media marketer and you were spot on with your info. saying this could be a big rating. and actually we asked our twitter followers who would win. john says triple burger eating contest. and sam says sorry, but john would win unless chuck norris is on your team. and though that caputo headbutt could be devastating.

and he says i love him, but i think i can bust him out. notice that he didn't mention busting me out. okay, and frankly, i could pass shirtless in the ring and actually i could pass on singing shirtless anywhere. i haven't been able to get sleep. oh, come on. this is my definition that is may be different from yours. it counts every bit as much as six rolls of whatever it is. so i think the first time someone throws a punch, you scream like a little girl. the hype etched response can also be mistaken of that of a little boy. many commended the nsa for finally getting it right and i say touché, you're finally doing your job. going after the bad guys.

i certainly agree with you that the nsa hack into the chinese government is stealing your information is quite all right. every is stealing your information is quite all right. every nation does it to each other anyway but for a burglar who cry stalls because his mail was stolen by numbers are these is just laughable. he lost me. i have no idea what you're saying but i appreciate your support. and dam from new mexico says, that's what i'm talking about. so okay, let's not get ahead of ourselves. i'm not going to start doing chance with them. and the bahamas. what could possibly be rattling someone in the bahamas? what is the deal with your condoning privacy invasions as long as it does with the chinese and not us. it's called snoop on the guys not on your side and by the way,

you bother me. and clearly cnbc. they are all burned out there. that alone. one of my tweets was that i have arrived and have been honored to be mentioned by the italian stud muffin in your pipe welco. you can die now, not that i want to do. i'm just saying that you're right. as you're likely going to get much better? this is your zenith. it's your choice. now onto facebook. many understanding why many understand he is pretty frustrated with this. margaret says that there is a no-brainer here on this, people. open it up, jobs, dependency on foreign oil. some say not so. has it ever su through your

skull that the pipeline is unnecessary and dangerous? and of the environment and not the almighty dollar. and has it ever sunk to you that it's a threat to the environment and the benefit to unions which i assume you like them very muh want so the last time they really had no pipeline. your brain will be in good company and you are in luck. from what i understand they do not carry fox business downer so you will never be troubled with having to think. and when you get personal, i know where you are and i know you're hash tag and i know that, too. i am so technically savvy that

as we speak we have people coming to your grass hut now to remind you of the fighter planes on this stuff. it's hitting ready. i'd like to keep talking but workout >> the president is a strange fellow and a lighting rod for criticism normally characters like donald rumsfeld disengaged. yet somehow both of former secretary of defense and president show their hand today. rumsfeld compare the president to a shaved ape then the president slipped he's more worried about a dirty baum in new york city. what the hell is wrong? i don't need racism and disguised as outraged and hysteria to the un now reality and the third is we