>> i am very concerned. the irs is to be off the reservation in investigated by congress and lois lerner refuses to reassert questions and the attorney general says they are investigating but it's real bill benghazi in the situation in mexico, the the

bait-and-switch operation and of the conservatives attacked still indicate the irs is not the agency to run the health care of america. neil: but it is the default because but yet they collect the revenue and police to how it will be in force. there is a lot of power. >> 60,000 employees have been hired by the irs to police this. if you think your taxes will be audited wait until you have 16,000 individuals whose only job is to find people who are not signing up for health care. that is an awesome power power, responsibility that will cause a lot of concern as governor huckabee has said across america. neil: but not also to a.

>> the privacy issue. think of the irs had having detailed medical information that qualify for subsidies, the opportunity to have access to data. is none of their business. this is an agency regarding the international organization for marriage and their donors the block for a place so we found the irs cannot keep a secret. how can you trust them with people's health care records? it is outrageous. neil: i you expecting any changes now with the new head? i don't think she will have that much resistance but will it be the same? >> the problem always was the white house runs it but they never gave sebelius the opportunity. they blamed her aunt gave

her the face of it but surely it was the white house that did it. i believe the new secretary will have more powers to make changes because she probably requested it of the president. but there will still we a continuation because the second of that was passed people don't understand is that the first law in congress signed did not work they had to pass a remedial bill that gave awesome powers to the secretary over 1,000 are in that bill and that proclamation and rule making will continue under the new secretary as it did under the old age and that is a problem with the affordable care act. >> it is the law itself. sebelius does not like the astronauts on top of the rocket with $100 million worth of equipment for the

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cantor says i think you're for her service she had an impossible task. secretary sebelius did the best she could. heavily what do you make of this? they are delighted she is gone but getting ahead of themselves? >> it is very nice they don't ask her to hit the door of the way out. neil: i left that out. [laughter] but most of them are nice. but they are setting themselves up to have us news confirmation process for the next nominee item think they want to have a tough fight a round that but there was the acknowledged and that secretary sebelius had the tough task but one thing that is not talked about as much is that she went beyond the politics to

reach out to republican governors to convince them to take the medicaid expansion. neil: always looking for the sacrificial lamb but she did not strike me to be upon details. so just changing ahead of the agency what we have seen with this law or do we take steadied lawyer at his word you give this time things will get better they are getting better? >> she left at a natural point she was not forced out and the president did not ask her to step down. she offered. neil: wait. is this the first time sometimes when somebody offers that because i offer that every day. [laughter] but they take you up on its is when you get nervous. said they did not wait.

>> she has outlasted all major cabinet positions with the exception of arne duncan and eric holder in blaster every milestone. she had her run. it is a natural point. neil: what is the natural point? through the left end of the first open enrollment period a being for 7.one day hit 7.five with the estimation 10 billion were not insured before now have insurance. neil: that is debatable. how many are real? >> all of that will come out neil: but you say better news is ahead. but they might be getting ahead of themselves. spinet there is no compromise is repealed.

repeal. it is over. now we need to look at wat is now working so well. of this is not a surprise it needs to be adjusted as you godey's to be expected. neil: with those democrats redding they avoid it like the plague. >> midday run of the law. >> we have to look no further than arkansas to say this is something that has been good for arkansas. talking about the politics look at the republican state governors that have accepted medicaid expansion and particularly ohio, governor bruce were in arizona not running for reelection now but pennsylvania even.

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check to get you to quit amazon? they are serious convince paying workers who were not in to their job to leave the helps to keep workers who remain excited with their job. the former office depot chairman on if this makes good business sense and radio host if it makes good people since. does it? >> this is public relations. i don't know how long ago we were talking about the drones delivering packages. the microsoft and incidents that come up again and again that the things that i like it is doable. and even know what was going on with microsoft. it was a publicity stunt

at least is something that is doable. neil: back to amazon to pay people to take a hike? >> this is not a publicity stunt but has been in place for quite some time at zppos and it was implemented many years ago to meet with the employees. they felt this is an important part of the company coulter because they got a chance to get people to stand back to say are you happy? if not, why the here is the incentive. neil: how much do they pay? they sell shoes online at t20? zappos? >> it worked fine then they had been interesting coulter now zappos has been purchased by amazon. this story is unusual for

the acquiring company particularly one that is bigger to adopt a procedure our policy with the company that they acquired. and i think he suld be applauded to take this to introduce it into amazon. but very few employees take advantage but it does give them a chance to stand back and reassess. he will not be giving customer service therefore you are better off having those unhappy people leave. >> half of them are miserable. >> the reverse psychology of this is that it is fascinating because my background is organizational development and it does do simply more raw to make a

decision on a yearly basis am i happy or not? >> but to weed out the dead wood because he's got negative attitudes were contagious he did not leave a check justice you are out. >> earning 50,000 per year given a check for 5,000. >> but the point why is that you could with that control but now to have better positive. >> i know what amazon was trying to do over the not so subtle message here is $500. get out of here but what if it doesn't work is that when the firing starts.

>> i am sure they do turbinate people but it is much better to have a carrot approach rather than domestic. >> can it do that? >> it allows the conversation to happen in a positive way to raise their hand and gives people a chance if you wanted to take vantage rather than to say there is the culture where we will fire you. neil: what about=óóxj workmen's compensation? >> it is less than the character and more like a cupcake. you can relate to. [laughter] >> if done properly it could work? >> it does boost morale on a regular basis. >> what about those other leading with the $5,000

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neil: forget about trying to make it to work. republicans and what they could do to the law. what the hell do to the woman who is in charge of the law in making history two. the former house republican leader geordie now. so hang tough, be tough, don't do anything to keep this thing going. three that is exactly right and the federal government being involved is unconstitutional. obamacare has been based on the wrong premise. where you want the federal government to get its running our health care system and creating a huge new entitlement

program, all for the sake of however many people don't have insurance who have chosen not to have insurance. nancy pelosi said yesterday, and it's amazing to me that she was very proud of kathleen sebelius were created a right of health care and it's not a right but a responsibility and it needs to be repelled. a dozen need to be fixed or replaced. it needs to be repealed. neil: the former speaker, tom, is to keep calling and obamacare. it drives her nuts. so if i ever bump into it i always say obamacare. so do you think that when republicans were working with these provisions that would drop some of the burdens and rules and access regulations on small businesses, even though they were doing it to up those

businesses -- the unintended consequences were keeping this thing going longer. >> i'm not sure about that. if there is no mandate for small businesses, that is repealing the law step-by-step nkk mandatory outside of the small business, i would like to think they would take this in this way. and then you don't have much of a law anymore. neil: we were talking about removing that mandate. and that got nancy pelosi almost as upset as say obamacare. i got her annoying hearing what you make of that and what he was more or less acknowledging? >> use of knowledge in that they

were taking obamacare apart piece by piece. the next piece that needs to be taken out as this. most people are getting subsidies. just like medicare or medicaid, especially medicaid. both of those are going to bankrupt us and think of this if we don't do something about it. and now we are layering another one and all of these people are getting subsidies from the american tax payer. this just can't be sustained unless we want to replace it with single-payer government runs everything. >> i think that that was their intention all along that insurance companies quite naturally would have to chart updated their rates and that the administration foresaw this and people would be getting angry at insurance companies for doing

that. ultimately we will go in that direction. >> that is where they are headed. and now we want to invite the republicans and to fix it and make that part of the campaign this year. >> well what would you do? >> what i would do is elect republicans to the senate, as many he can get over there. collect good solid conservatives in the house and then to start during the repealed to obama for the next three years and make sure that obamacare is a major part in the next presidential election. that is what i would do. >> the administration says they are getting more and more people signing up for this and trying to do this for various reasons that you alluded to. switching from one government program to another. but that the trend will be their friend and actually come november, it might not be that big of an issue where the issue that republicans hope. >> that's just not going to happen. every month there is another bad news about this. even the national media cannot avoid telling the american people about it and you can bet

that those millions are getting their health care insurance canceled are telling their friends but this election has been set and the american people have lost all trust in this president and they have no credibility. this is going to be another wave election if the republicans don't screw it up. neil: may they have escaped from the jaws of victory in the past. >> 2010 was a good election. and a lot of people have had a. and they don't want any more of it. anyone that has had anything to do with it is going to be thrown out if we have an opponent that is good in some. neil: it's always a pleasure. >> thank you. it's great to be with you. neil: meanwhile, maybe the guy of the catalog advertisement was right. >> some stop by the café and they take august off. whiny like that? where we like that? because we are crazy driven

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and this is why they are concerned. and so that's very good. >> it's great news for from anyone who competes for the french, we love to work. what they call our greed and are type a personality, that is what we call good work. it also helps you get as much money as you can possibly get. i don't think that's a bad thing at all but apparently they do. so what is scary is the extent to which this administration and a lot of people in america want us to move in terms of health care. the memo and that cbo report came out because it's that americans will work less because of obamacare? that is great. they can become poets and move to france and drink latte at the cafés. >> and you and i can remember a

time when we went on vacation. >> you and i can remember a lot of times we should've forgotten long ago. you know what i'm saying? [laughter] >> somehow i can picture that. you on this idea where we are 24/7 working, where we have to be on an engaged, the french associate. >> the greatest thing is not the people that were born here but the immigrants that come here and they work 14 to 18 hours at a day. some of the immigrants are probably from france. people who come here and appreciate the fact that if you work here, you get rewards. i guess over there you have such high tax rates but if you work hard doesn't always pay to work that much. neil: i think that is a profound point right there. >> it's almost as maddening as the french.

>> mr. president, i am not afraid of the koh brothers. neil: the senate majority leader thinking that these brothers are bigger threat than vladimir putin could ever be. an analysis of the comments last month, they were mentioned 65 times. it's got a twitter followers going nuts. when writing that senator harry reid is the biggest threat to the united states and another, phrasing in a different way. who is the bigger threat to harry reid's job? [laughter] >> the democrats have failed miserably to stop the advance of our enemy and i think that vladimir putin is our enemy. at least right now he has. but they have succeeded very well in lambasting people that have created 60,000 jobs.

by the way, some of those jobs are union jobs and i think about a third of them are union. so their friends to unions as well may have given way hundred. neil: it was george soros who is more influential. >> they made him look like it better when it comes to good cause. this gave $100 million to 80 hospital after terry reed got on the floor and bed you're taking advantage of the forecaster and trent cancer patients by using and exploiting. they gave $100 million to the hospital in new york. >> you're okay with him simply because he likes liberal causes because he liked it, shouldn't you lump them with koch brothers >> if you're honest, you have to do that. but what really gets me about harry reid is in calling these

people as un-american as anyone that i could ever imagine. what is un-american about building an enterprise that employs 60,000 people were giving $100 million to a hospital for $600 million to various institutions in new york, including a lot of artsy artsy stuff. >> a lot of them are bad, but there are some left leaning ones. >> so why are you looking for consistency? >> there is none. >> i haven't seen it. and he pointed out one of many this is n example because they don't want to lose their billions. in fact, there are a lot of nothing will turn someone in into a conservative more than a high tax rate. that is what happened in sweden they wanted to give it to a free-market government and maybe

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neil: in tonight's business but, you really don't have to be a conservative, just a taxpayer to be contacted by the irs. it is all apparently perfectly

legal. they don't pay, you pay. on whether the irs is going a little too far here. what do you think we might. >> they're going way too far. social security doesn't have the records detailing this overpayment oftentimes greater you don't have the records because the irs says you have to keep your records for three years. or you don't have the money to fight it. i guess it is a perfect scam on behalf of the government to collect money saying that, okay, have to pay. neil: it's one thing to take your refund back because he screwed up on taxes or you owe money from prior years. i didn't even know they were allowed to do this. not a relative was in this position. it's just weird. >> this is a stinkbomb of the highest order and to demonstrate

that everything that is wrong with our government at the present time. it is in the singular cause, farm bill years and years ago. the fact that the government has chosen go after these people now, it shows that they are totally out of control. i don't like the presumptions being taken away. >> we have seen cases like this where you settle your parents if they and you have to be paid for his before any funds can make their way. so how is that different than the with us or not? >> if you look at it that way, your money does your kids after a certain amount. if you have doubts, why should that go to the government or. the government is very heavy-handed and you don't want to owe the government money. you don't want to rip them off because our laws going back to the civil war that are varies areas about them going after

you. you see this when they go after the irs, the swiss bank accounts, look at all the medicare that has been going on. there's a lot of government all the way to social security disability, medicare, i like to the government stepping up, but this is a different kind of thing. neil: judging our next president of the company they keep up with where the company with whom they have been keeping close ties, whether it's condoleezza rice or jeb bush's service at barclays bank. getting 200 grand for a speech at goldman sachs. should these corporate connections stick and could they prove sticky? in the group that protested condoleezza rice said it's not partisan, but here are issues. number one, she hulk in turn

help to start the iraq war and then she helped to crete bush's torture program and three, she served on the board of chevron. i mean, this is -- the left out to get anyone associated with bush or the republican party. it is just criminal. >> i wonder how they make a big deal of anyone's corporate connections in the past. but this, to me, just use like it's crazy. >> i think it is ridiculous red where were they when others stepped up for this companyny. there are lots of guys to go from wall street to washington. they either have to have an agreement with this kind of behavior is a no-no or they need to get off their high horse. >> and the whole point of being a public servant at low pay is

the corporate gravy train later. [laughter] >> i'm not kidding. if you take away that gravy train, you will have bigger losers going into politics. that's one of the reasons that people take this job. >> this specific case, i think there is a hint of legitimacy. and it smells bad to have anyone from the government that is involved. >> all right, switching this around, another development that could be very interesting as this homeshopping biases and tries to take root. because indications are, and we have seen and a lot of companies say the home lending business, it is down a lot, applications,

and interest in it, this shouldn't be happening this time of year. so what is going on? should we worry? it's really walloping market. >> i think we should be worried, but maybe not for the reason that you're thinking of. this is is government intrusion is stuck all over these financial institutions. neil: whatever is going on here, people are not into it. we started talking about the banks laying off their mortgage personnel, that maybe that was a tip here. the what is going on? >> there's a simple explanation. people have had it with big banks and the government is all over them. but they also stepped into the retail market.

blackrock spent hundreds of millions of dollars for the same purpose that everybody else did. they were renters and everything else i'm a grown the market for a loop, bringing the mortgage applications down. these guys are cash buyers thanks to all the bailouts used to generate money on the other side of the house as collateral. neil: jonas, i know you are in miami. but certainly the lending his back, the building is back, real estate is back. maybe it's not. >> the lending has loosened up a lot. there's no condo ho on the doubt. but i think that the consumer backs off when rates for loans go up and they just can't afford this. >> a lot of them are reporting that their interest did in getting a loan but the banks are not giving it a read.

>> i think the lending is pretty loose. it's never going to go back to the ninja days or so that is not the benchmark for how lending is supposed to be. but today it's pretty available if you have any down payment or if you have equity in your house and if you have income. it's not what it was in 2005. but i think the rates are low and you can just see this. >> i think negativity also feeds upon itself or it. >> well, yes committee of an income of a million dollars a year and a credit score of 799 come you have no problem getting a loan. but then you don't need one. but for most other people out there, the other fear is that people were still worried about the economy and having a job and they probably don't want to have a mortgage at any rate. neil: gentlemen, thank you. meanwhile, what is worse? telling a lie?

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neil: what is the deal? the president is asking us to believe his health care numbers. but maybe we shouldn't. credibility zero. eric writes that there are three kinds of lies. lies, dam lies, and these statistics. and mary says president obama lost a lot a lot of credibility. the bludgeoning us to believe anything else ever. and beverly says waste, fraud, and abuse on both sides. and who in the world actually believes anything he is saying? fewer and fewer.

, new jersey says your fine one to talk about trust. you look like a used car salesman january to pay. neil: tom, you are bald, you? and market new jersey says if i were you i would have them speed up on that rocket via building for your leave now. get out now, but please take me with you. well, i'm not giving up yet, but to be safe i am moving fl speed ahead on that rocket. and another says i've never believed any of your numbers, but that never stopped me from watching you. funny how? funny like a clown? do i amuse you? >> numbers the back of lies or white numbers. and dexter says, if you are a number i give you a zero because you're a zero. your looks are zero your ethics are zero and your iq is a zero.

zero, zero, zero. this is. neil: i guess that makes you a beer watching it. you an infinity zero. and jenny sent we'll have a sense of humor to go through these obamacare numbers. and ken says caputo, you are a butt head. and ken, you are an idiot. i'm old and dependable and honest. i'm kind of running out of options in the dependable and honest. and do you like your small children say hosed? which means screwed? well, watch your mouth on tv. you are a mass the hypocrite. neil: first of all, you go by the name put it in, and you're doing amorality lessons? really, putting? and another person says you are the shining star of fox.

people don't want you, they don't know what they're missing. so true. i tell this to my wife all the time. thanks for writing good or bad or anything. kennedy: we talk a lot about our problems. sort of like political therapy, but sometimes that gets old and sad. we need solutions, man. if we who love liberty are the brave leaning forward explorers with unabashed optimism. we need to stop bitching about problems. how will we solve the health care crisis? the education system is outdated and broken. but how do we fix it? who should we let into the country and solve the immigration riddles? here's the plan. we got one. this is "the independents."