today. thank you for joining us, we will see you back here tomorrow. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i'm wondering where is the real action in the debate over affirmative action? welcome, everyone, i am charles payne. as we are debating, are we losing sight on how to fix the economics of our country? how can this be sidetracking us for making real progress in this country? it almost feels like every sort of economic argument gets slated

when you throw in racism and we never get anywhere in this country. >> if we run around chasing our tail and not solving problems on my blog the supreme court's decision. they were basically tossing it back to the states and saying ecisions. for nearly 30 years, myself and my father, who is chairman of the congress of racial equality before me, we have to end and we have to realize that those advocates of affirmative action have to realize that race-based affirmative action, gender-based affirmative action is going to end and we need to move towards a character quotient or an income disparity quotient. >> here is a the thing. ultimately at the end of the

day, they will end in the idea that somehow we have gotten comfortable, maybe some people have gotten comfortable but you can make up the difference de son the past transgressions. >> he said that keyword, which is the past. history has passed. civil rights 50 years ago, we've advanced as a society. even the supreme court has spoken out. over time this will be needed. in our society has advanced, legislation doesn't make a difference. and how do you get equality and fairness out of in equal treatment of others? >> you can't hear discrimination. >> exactly. so we are seeing this change and by the way to your point about economics than focusing on that, the is important. if we get out of the entitlement cultural and talladega, we will

be back to a meritocracy and earn your way up regardless of race or ethnicity. and then what do we get? a better business environment? or economic environment? in a school environment. >> i don't disagree with anything that david said. when we heard the decision yesterday, it makes me ink that states have the right to dictate the will of their citizens. this administration has been really upset. anger and anxiety, they don't want stateso control their own destiny whatsoever. one of the broader implications of this? >> it is a real danger and a threat to the republic. the fact is that it didn't start with the obama administration. you can trace it all the way back to woodrow wilson and taking away the power of state legislatures to elect the senators, making it a popular vote. the founders of our great country we live the we are not a

democracy but a representative republic. and that representative republic, states have a great deal of power. the 10th amendment clearly identifies out and says that all powers that are not dictated to the federal government in the constitution, this administration has gone haywire. they have taken it to another level. but it didn't just begin with obama. it started over a hundred years ago. charles: it seems that it's gotten worse and become pervasive. how do articulate to someone, a black person or someone who feels that sexism is still an issue, that a decision like this ultimately in their best interest we. >> it is because it doesn't shackle them to having a line of this is your life and this is how it's going to play out. if you need to go to the

university, you only gain that because of your color of skin. but how is it your value if there are two equal candidates but you because of your ethnicity or gender. so beyond that, when we look at the site around us, if we want real equality, it starts with equal opportunity. and that means that we will not get equal outcome. so they want to have clemency. they give us feel good. this march is really about social engineering, a president who said they didn't want to redistribute justice. that is counterintuitive to america. we earn and we grow and we advance and we pass it on to our children. >> absolutely. iran you know, affirmative action the way it has worked

out, when you base it on race or gender it trickles down with the social policy. who gets the benefit of this? it's not going to be the boy in the head or the white kid in appalachia. that poor kid that really busted their butts and shows a great deal of character in spite of their economic circumstances. it is those who have the fortune of being born black or a woman and it's unfair. it's trickle-down social policy. i think that we need to make a shift and say that any individual regardless of race or gender, if they show character, which is a quality, and you can give them some kind of leaning and benefit for that. >> i spent this morning at my son's school preparing him as a guidance counselor for college. we talked about him and his

grades. because the smart and that's the only way to get a make in this world. you guys are fantastic. you were coming on the show. and coming up next we have the business split. in chicago teaching kids how to use food stamps while they are in school? talk about expectation and then the tea party is back on. dick armey on all that is impossible. impossible. th[ doctor ] and in a inical trial versus litor,

crestor got more high-risk patient bad cholesterol to a goal of under 100. way to go, crestor! yh! tting to goal is a big deal, especially if you have high cholesterol plus any of these risk factors. because you could be at increased risk for plaque buildup in your arteries over time. so, when diet a exercise aren't engh to lower cholterol, adding crestor can help. go, crestor! ♪ ♪ oh, yeah [ female announcer ] crestor is not right for everyone, like peoplwith liver disease or women who are nursing, pregnant, or may become pregnant. tell your doctor about other medicines you'rtang. call your doctor rht away if you have muscle pain or weakness,

fl unusually tired, have loss of appetite, upper belly pain, dark urine, or yellowing of skin eyes. these could be sig of rare but seris side effects. crestor! yes! [ female announcer ] ask your doctor about crestor. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca y be able toelp. charles: and tonight business split. should republican learn from harley-davidson? back in 2009 they saw a big a lot with customers and investors. so management is staging a huge comeback by focusing on four key groups. blacks, hispanics, and women. now they're sending shares up dramatically. so for product is great if people don't know it's gray, they need to be sold on them. so what politicians can learn from this.

you know, i think it is phenomenal harley-davidson has been able to do this. >> a great business lesson and story. and that is to target those groups specifically. this is a woman to the gop needs to reach out to. this younger demographic of voters that are more moderate looking for people. that middle of the road kind of rhetoric that they are looking for. and it could be the gop has a chance here to read drink their strategy. so if anyone can do that, that is fine. matthew are just like the personification of cool. [laughter]

>> if you go around and say asked people what they believe in, a lot of people are fiscally conservative, but they are more moderately liberal as far as how they think about their reality. i think that's one of the issues that republicans have. so they don't have these binders full of women. so you have to target specific groups that you do that by coming more to the center and bringing the party together as a result and of not being polar opposite of your opponent. >> the audience can probably tell that he doesn't wear a helmet. [laughter] >> now that is a cool beard right there. [laughter] >> these guys look at demographics and by 2050 their core audience will be 50 million people in this country. the other four categories that

we talked about will be 209. business politics, it's not pandering, but trying to sell a great product. >> is trying to your horizons. just like the republican party isn't about just a good year old white guy that doesn't care about anyone and we need to open this up and show people that it's not just about not helping society for being strong.

and we all know that unions are protesting and they are waging war on staples with that partnership and asking union members to boycott it. and the reality is they give them options and ups will reap the benefits of that and i think that they need to have a battle that they shouldn't be fighting. >> you consider the footprint and what they might be able to do, bringing in the private

sector and they can change this. >> and who knows what the unions are doing. their membership is down and they have the privatization of these companies. >> they are making $25 an hour. they need to face up to reality. they have plenty of great working americans that would be more than willing to handle this. >> a lot of times i find people, they just think okay, we don't

care about the bottom line. but this is self preservation. >> we seen this every single time. they always pull this kind of nonsense. and this is a big reason. >> yes, this is a big reason. and is there a way start to consider also the way what is going to happen to the entire organization. almost anywhere with the membership, they suffered big-time. >> has come yes, they did. and i think the problem is union leadership is not helping out the union members they are

forcing people to choose what they want to choose. so if you get this than you might have some effect of change of the membership level. >> really quickly, they have rd included thousands of post offices and look at the way that we have an approach find out who has that. we will be back and you know about this, they also don't trust the stock market and wait until you hear. it's only a matter of time until you're wrong that trust issues don't face the economy.

why is our arizona-based company relocating manufacturing to upstate new york? i tell people it's for the climate. the conditions in new york state are great for business. new york is ranked #2 in the nation for new private sector job creation. and now it's even better because they've introduced startup new york - dozens of tax-free zones where businesses pay no taxes for ten years. you'll get a warm welcome in the new new york. see if your business qualifies at startupny.com

i'm taking off, but, uh, don't worry. i'm gonna leave the tv on for you. and if anything happens, don't forget about the new xfinity my account app. you can troubleshoot technical issues here.

if you make an appointment, you can check out the status here. you can pay the bill, too. but don't worry about that right now. okay. how do i look? ♪ thanks. [ male announcer ] troubleshoot, manage appointments, and bill pay from your phone. introducing the xfinity my account app. charles: truck is everything. sadly it is fleeting in america. only half the workers believe that six out of 10 people say president obama has lied to get his way. and another saying that three out of four do not trust the stock market. so what is with all the trust issues? brown blakeman has more. and concerned citizens for america president. why is trust fleeting in the nation? >> i think it goes back and monitor every to the financial

history and that is coupled with obamacare. being dropped from your insurance. so the failure not only by politicians. >> is it strictly locally oriented? it feels like an is beyond politics. >> absolutely. that's what we need to return to transparency. certainly, responsibility, accountability. we have to do that in the public sector. people are looking to us here in washington and those who govern and they are looking for the people that they do business

with. charles: trust is essential as an issue. and how come that doesn't spread to the public sector? >> only 22% of what they have said has been shown to be true and accurate. but this is the commander in chief and meanwhile we get answers like there is no irs scandal. and so i don't disagree. here's the most interesting thing. it feels like we see that this

is a way of life. >> this is really unfortunate and it will take a new administration. essentially right now integrity is a great line and they don't know what the health care will look like. so not only that when they go out and look for jobs, they have to take pay cuts instead of pay increases. we are going back to past 10 years and the president, who take care of this.

>> many lost their health care and we are sorry about that. ultimately the president says i do have this policy here in america. with that statement, the vatican will see a change? >> the american people don't have to stand for it. and this includes increasing the majority in the house and putting the president's feet to the fire. that should voice him to start acting in good faith and doing the things he promised to do in transparency and bipartisanship to move this country forward. and if the democrats fail to seize the day when they take

this in november, then there could be a seaf change in 2016. but it starts this year. >> before we go, we have 30 seconds. do you agree that? >> absolutely. but integrity comes from the heart of everyone and the gop needs to be held accountable. congressional ratings are not very high either. people need to meet in what they say. don't send messages just put a band-aid on the wound. >> it was up to me, i would bet every single person would run through august and i would put a check mark next to their name and i know we have the right leader. thanks a lot and we will talk you against him. well, the president making his way to china's backyard. guess who could be behind all of these cyberattacks on us? news that they could be on a hack attack. how to protect yourself next

hello. shopping for a used car with the right history? yeah. i don't want one that's had a big wreck. oh, our team tracks millions of accidents. yeah, doug to carfax... i got an accident report on vin# 1dc... moles? they dig up the facts. naturally. let carfax® help you find the right used car with the right history. i like it. start shopping now at carfax.com a short word that's a tall order.

up your game. up the ante. and if you stumble, you get back up. up isn't easy, and we ought to know. we're in the business of up. everyday delta flies a quarter of million people while investing billions improving everything from booking to baggage claim. we're raising the bar on flying and tomorrow we will up it yet again. predibut, manufacturings a prettin the united states do. means advanced technology. we learned that technology allows us to be craft oriented. no one's losing their job. there's no beer robot that has suddenly chased them out. the technology is actually creating new jobs. siemens designed and built the right tools and resources to get the job done.

charles: i have bad news for you. the bad guys are winning the cyber war. russia, china and north korea all in a hack attack and we are doing absolutely nothing to stop them. electric heartbeat will soon by hit by hackers. sounds like we need some boots on the ground in the cyber war that has already begun and we are already losing big time. what say you, captain? >> the u.s. government has a working on that military defense systems for some time but the fact of the matter is it is always easier to disrupt than it is to defend. the attack becomes more effective, you can overcome the

system knows where we are getting more involved to try to look at identifying who these people are. charles: how come these bad guys are always one step ahead? >> the fact of the matter is tens of thousands of attacks. the defense industries, not just the defense industry. you can get in through one of these suppliers or the lawyer's office, anything that you have that network you are hooked to other people. could be some guy sitting in an apartment in eastern europe or it could be a dedicated cell in china.

charles: robert, here is the thing. obviously from an industry point of view this is a huge opportunity to make a lot of money, but why does it always feel like we are always too vulnerable? we can't catch up. >> to have a pretty good handle on what needs to be done supplying products and services to make that happen. it is the implementation of all the various technologies by it professionals in government and corporations that may be a little slow to the punch. keep in mind this is a battle going on between good and evil. it is never going to stop. with the constant bombardment of attacks there will be leakage. there will be flaws and vulnerabilities. charles: is this how we should live, is this what we're telling the american public?

we will lose a few. >> there is always going to be vulnerabilities. the great financials are relatively tight. we have not completely crashed. things are in order. so while the lights are on, obviously we're doing something right. charles: obviously maybe we are doing something right because this is one of those things it feels like at least once a week it seems like we open the paper and wood lost a big one. somebody just got 3 million credit cards, we don't feel like we are winning. i do want to ask you, is there a serious issue of who pays for this? mcafee says they will sell it to anybody, but who pays for it? credit card companies say banks should pay for it. are we so caught up on who pays for this we always stay vulnerable? >> is always going to come down

to the consumer because those costs are going to pass through like the cost of everything else. for the increase the price of the commodity used to make their product. it will be passed down to the consumer if the consumer is a government agency, it will be the taxpayers. the taxpayers are the consumer on the electronic side. we will pay. charles: it seems we have become toward this in this country, but it feels the big one will come real soon beyond just losing a few social security numbers. >> that is a great point because we all love the technology and the benefits of it but we are woefully unaware of the downside of using the technology, we really are. charles: come back soon. hopefully it will be better news. how about violent threats and fraud?

if you work for the irs, you got a bonus. that story has a lot of people upset and it is next. i wonder what armey thinks about all of this.

really... so our business can be on at&t's network for $175 dollars a month? yup. all five of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line anytime for 15 bucks a month. low dues... great terms... let's close. new at&t mobile share value plans. our best value plans ever for business. she loves a lot of it's what you love about her. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet

approvedo treat ed and symptoms obph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, se immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than 4 hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or iyou have any allergic reactions such as rash, hives, swelling of the lips, tongue or throat, or difficulty breathing or swallowing, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a 30-tablet free trial. why relocating manufacturingpany to upstate new york? i tell people it's for the climate. the conditions in new york state are great for business. new york is ranked #2 sector job creation.w prie and now it's even better because they've introduced

startup new york - dozens of tax-free zones where businesses pay no taxes for ten years. you'll get a warm welcome in the new new york. see if your business qualifies at startupny.com charles: inmate or tax man? $2.8 million in monetary awards to employees even though they were guilty of things like drug use, violent threats and even failing to pay their own taxes. dick armey says this one thing may never change. government workers are being rewarded for things private workers would get arrested for if not even worse. i'm glad you are joining us. i wanted to let the audience now 1100 failed to pay their taxes, they got a million dollars in bonuses and 10,000 hours of paid vacation. is this bizarro world or what?

>> frankly what breaks your heart is it is so typical. in the private sector, the market punishes incompetence and morality. it all too often rewards it. what is a irs guy going to say? he is the chairman of the committee who writes the laws. it is just a sham. government oftentimes gets away with what they find illegal in the private sector. they shut down the numbers racket, which was quite an entertainment in most communities and they putn the state lottery. bernie madoff going to jail doing voluntarily with the government requires all of us to do in their pyramid program. i have to tell you, once again the balance of morality shifts in the direction of immorality

as the government grows because government has great tolerance for immoral behavior among their own. charles: if people know the relationship between the federal reserve and treasury in the ponzi scheme that is, the maybe up in arms to your point. of all the agencies, and the irs, they are getting the bonus, the rays. my accountant told me how much i owe this year, literally i welled up a little bit. it is so much extra money that could have gone to a lot of different things beside the government coffers. you are a bigwig at the tea party, how do you guys, how do we change this? >> the tea party act is across the country, sincere commitment to good public policy. they could form the working cooperative relationship with the conventional orthodox party

around their mutual commitment to public policy, i think they can be a powerful influence for change. but in order to do that you have to get the coalition between active, sincere, capable legislatures and the activist group and cut out the guys at the top of the tea party vement to set in this movement really is about me and my personal prosperity, but get to the real activist. they are the people that will be outraged about such things as we have seen in the irs. >> i spoke at least a dozen events and i was moved by the grandmothers going out, going out on the grass. just stating the case. although they moved out of the grass and into political office too quickly. having said that, your opinion. however he embrace the tea par

party, is it going to be another battle between the tea party and the staff republicans to the detriment of the entire party? >> it doesn't have to be especially on the record of the floor the tea party activists, these are extremely good and capable people working with a good candidate. i think the country is much better off for marco rubio being in the senate instead of charlie crist. we can see the same thing here. if you have a sincere commitment to real policy objectives and the government, the next generations of americans requirement for freedom and prosperity, you're going to be productive to the well-being of this country. if your purposes are all about yourself and your own personal political objectives, you are damn menace and should not be tolerated.

charles: do you want to name some names while we're on the topic? >> first of all give me a break, guys. if you get lucky and get elected to the senate, spend some time doing that job. don't unpack your bags. try to achieve some degree of a compass meant incompetence in what you are doing. in fact don't pick a fight with the republicans in office just for the purpose of writing the next fundraiser. if you propose to present yourself as an advocate of liberty, make it about liberty, not about your fundraising. charles: it probably is the greatest threat the g.o.p. winning the senate getting back on top in my opinion at least get we really appreciate your time at all the wisdom expertise with us. thank you a lot. if your kid doesn't get anything

out of education, don't worry about this, guys. as schools are teaching them how to be dependent on the government. for some it is a plan a, for others it is a plan b. it is next.

humans. we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back, offering exclusive products like optional better car replacement, where if your car is totaled, we give you the money to buy one a model year newer. call... and ask an insurance expert about all our benefits today, like our 24/7 support and service, because at liberty mutual insurance,

we believe our customers do their best out there in the world, so we do everything we can to be there for them when they need us. plus, you could save hundreds when you switch, up to $423. call... today. liberty mutual insurance -- responsibility. what's your policy?

charles: so we are back. tell me if this is backwards. chicago public schools encouraging parents to sign their kids up for food stamps. encouraging them to do this but shouldn't we be focused less on signing kids up for benefits in more on stopping them from ever needing those benefits? we are back with cheryl casone. this is a lesson. >> it hits home a little bit harder for me. obviously they are doing these

robo calls, that is another interesting thing. it is givin getting kind of a p. the parents have failed to some degree at home, eating right, educational things and stuff like that. charles: how did the parents fail? >> we talk about putting the kids on a government all. they're not going to school to learn, they're not force my kids to go, problems with all kinds of attendance and education issues here, the parents have to step up and parent figure out how to raise a kid not have a state or the federal government do it. >> there's obviously a major problem going on with children in the city of chicago. i don't have a problem with this, and i will tell you why. i have got to say, this is about

kids and about their health and potentially their safety. i don't have an issue with the schools during this whatsoever. charles: some do have an issue with the idea while in school you should promote the idea you actually have a chance to change your life, maybe indirect messages you will not be different, go ahead and get with the program. >> you and i kind of sure similar background. we came from humble beginnings. i grew up in philadelphia, not in a good neighborhood. again she had her own personal views, out of love to see we have educational systems for your bid we have job for you. you're right, puts you in a frame of mind and a state where you are not thinking yeah, i have to hustle to take care of my multiple chill them. >> these are children.

if they're making bad decisions, don't make them suffer. speaker has to be some accountability. charles: and others this gigantic misconception of so many people falling over from lack of food when we have an obesity problem the irony is less people have, more be second to be in america. your point earlier but the parents being the central issue here. you are both on the same thing. how does a school punish the parentpunishing the kid? >> the kid should get all the aid they deserve and should get, but again, charles, the parents get let off the hook. if you look at a lot of the stuff the food stamps can buy, look at the kids getting fed

junk food at school, they are not actually fixing the problem. charles: a lot of them abuse the system. they are encouraged to get over on the system when they are just digging themselves and their kids into a deeper hole. let's try this topic though. the face of the company better not get ugly talking about lululemon shareholders. after the yoga pants company hired an overweight ceo. his dumpy enough to dump a stock? >> i follow the lemon, yes, image matters if you're the company of lululemon. in az on the sidelines, in the company who can be disposed member. it is about image. all that matters at the end of the day is selling these pants

to the consumers. if you have that guy out there trying to sell me yoga pants, i don't think so. charles: you better stop shopping at lululemon. >> i cannot afford lululemon. half of me is like don't judge a book why the cover, but the other point is it is lululemon. it is all healthy lifestyle. he looks a little bit like dudley moore. if he is run a company and bring it right, i think let him be. they do need somebody who shows the healthy lifestyle. charles: of it was a caterpillar would say does not mean as much. but it might have to begin with the ceo. at least he could have dressed better. >> that is for sure. everybody has maybe a few extra

pounds they want to shed. this could be something that works out. that is the black could appeal to other folks who are out there. the ceo is a little flat on the heavy side, i will go buy some clothes, it might help their sales. cheryl: they are not the customer, i am the customer, and it matters. he should not be the face of this company. do that behind the scenes. charles: people don't realize it takes like an hour to get it with the one swept look. he throws on the most wrinkled outfit he could find. >> he is shabby chic. >> i agree with you. all of us are saying he could be a great business, but behind the scenes you want somebody who

represents lululemon. if it was wendy's, who cares, but i think they need a more presentable guy. charles: he says i'm going to be buying the lululemon gear myself, watch with the transformation is. maybe he can turn the negative into a positive. >> that is the point, one of the best focus is they started to get the perfect person to go and buy their clothes now they're speaking to more people who could get fit over the summer. a look good on you. i am telling you it is a good deal. >> do you go to a gym, scott? are there people that are more fit at the gym then you? >> amazingly there are. >> you are inspired by seeing those fit people.

women are inspired by seeing other women that are more fit to aspire to. i'm going to buy the pandemic that way, great. charles: what they don't have to worry about is heavier women wearing their close anymore. that is for sure. this is a tough one. i want to watch this stock. at the end of the day you make a great point, they do have to hit the bottom line. cheryl is making another point. they don't like him, they won't buy the clothes. when you come up, drive to harley, i want to check it out. guess what, it is not a problem. for you and me it is a huge problem.

charles: it is time for your tweets and facebook posts. first up the i rescue got bonuses to employees who didn't

pay their own taxes. bonuses for the ones who haven't paid their taxes and back taxes, you and i couldn't get away with that. she is absolutely right. they write they never go after their own. to publicize every act of tyranny the irs perpetrates but this is only a one hour show. writes in the irs is becoming so powerful they behave like a criminal entity and that has to change. you are absolutely right. dorothy says while they cannot be trusted. and, as is useless, so fed up with this government, all three branches, thin thank you echo everyone's feelings. problem is we don't have people in the government who will take a stand. the ones who do take a stand are criticized for it, but we're glad people like you and everybody else speak out. don't stop with the comments.

i am on twitter, thank you so much for watching. >> justin bieber is causing a great international crisis. he picked a controversial monument highlighting world war ii and now canada's booming middle class is upset. but let's figure all the way they are feeding freedom. someone to blame our troubles on redistribution. tax the rich. but maybe there are a few lessons that can trickle-down