a bigger threat anything business might do. that is our show. see you next week. . kennedy: have you ever felt that nagging uncomfortable feeling that makes it difficult to sit still and focus on simple tasks? it's the government! up in your business! so many have succumbed to the pressure and discomfort has given way to apathy. and now you think the government violating your every orfas with regulations, fines and restriction says ordinary and accessible. step one is admitting there is a problem and government shouldn't be up in your business, especially when you are trying to run a business. you deserve a better life. we'll show you crusades against food trucks to the war on kids. it's up there. and it's spreading. hold on. we're going in! this is "the independents."

hi there, i'm kennedy. nice to have you here on a delightful end of the week book end, it's "the independents" i'm joined by "reason" editor in chief matt welsh and kmele foster, we are "the independents" and fearless trio of government galavanters. when does the government overstep their bounds? how is the government up in your business. >> they haven't, thank you, i appreciate that. kennedy: really. >> when it intrudes on your ability to behave personally according to how want to behave. >> the government shouldn't interfere on people, you know, on who they love or what they like to do. >> i've never come across a government you can trust. kennedy: wow. >> any of them. english, american, not trusted. can't trust them. >> take away your freedom but

it tells you what to read, what to eat, what to drink. >> i don't think they're up in my business, i got my own business to deal with before you have to deal with the government. >> how is the government up in my business? since i own a business, they want more of my money. >> regulation goes too far when they start to monitor the telephone lines, and your privacy is invaded. kennedy: when does it go too far? >> when? whenever they stop being libertarians. kennedy: right, that's actually right. well, good folks out there. very smart. how does every business start? pretty much with a good idea meant to solve a common problem or solve an empty void. one couple decided to capitalize on people love of segues with the national curiosity of our nation's capitol. take a look. >> here we are at the national archives we have the declaration of independence, the bill of rights and

constitution of the united states, and by telling you that right now, i'm breaking the law. >> it's illegal because the district of columbia have a regulation requiring us to have two operators. >> the tour guides just tell stories for a living, and in america, you're not supposed to need the government's permission to speak. kennedy: absolutely true. it's the numero uno amendmente. they are trying to run their business but the government has decided they need a license to talk. they're certainly not hurting anyone. why is the government up in their business? bring in jeff rowes, senior attorney for the institute of justice. they decided to go for a ride with segs in the city, that's the name of the business, as they defend the name of this business to talk and glide with pride. welcome back, jeff. kennedy:. >> thanks for having me. kennedy: what kind of license do you need to ride in segways? >> a tour guide license, if you

want talk about the history and culture and politics and the folklore where the governments are, where the vampires are, who's hiding out, where elvis is, you need a tour guide license. >> you think that's protected speech, correct? >> it is protected speech, absolutely. kennedy: tell me how this case came about. they set up business, rolling around, showing people here's the capitol, here's the monuments, then what happened? >> this is classic business, the only greater than seeing america is seeing america on a segway, they had this great idea. they thought we're going to roll it out. they want to see the irs building the department of labor and agriculture and the white house, maybe get a whiff of freedom every now and again. but like everybody in america who decides to start a business, they realize having a good idea and enthusiasm and innovation and passion and desire to serve their customers isn't enough. you need the government's permission. and here the crazy thing is the

permission they need to get is just a license to talk, to talk about history like i was ould bg you guys on "the independents" and say before you want to make fun of the government. you got to get a license from the government. kennedy: we don't need a license. you pointed out if you took a cab ride around d.c. for 25 bucks you can talk about the washington redskins for an hour, and that's fine, but all of a sudden if the cab driver wanted to point out, i don't know, the lincoln memorial, you would be in violation of the law? >> technically that's right. and you know, the first amendment problem here is that the government is saying you need a license to impart knowledge on a specific topic. and if there is one thing that is an athma of the first amendment we don't tolerate under the constitution, you can't tell people they need a license to talk about something in particular. >> how frequent is this around tourtic capitals like new

york or los angeles or new orleans. >> a number of cities that are big tourist places in the united states that have the laws. and we have another case in new orleans right now. that case is going to be argued in front of the united states federal court of appeals for the 5th circuit next week, and the following week, we're arguing tanya and bill's case in front of the d.c. circuit court of appeals. we're creating law here and the cases have a pathway to the supreme court. kennedy: one of the greatest pleasures of the modern era is stumbling into a food truck when belly is grumbling and there's a creative morsel on wheels waiting to fill up your gut. why are food trucks the public enemy. >> the 200 foot rule restricts all food trucks and operators to park within 200 feet from any brick and mortar establishment. >> we parked on the street. when somebody parks in front of a fire hydrant pays only $100. >> they have to have gps tracking device monitoring

whereabouts. i think it's wrong. kennedy: there's a perfect example of filling in need. never knew you had. the government has to step in and ruin the fun. the most egregious examples of food truck squashery, look no further than chicago. was it politically connected restaurant owners that squash the blooming food truck industry in chicago? >> you got it. that was it. and you know, having a food truck is as american as apple pie, but the problem is, if you're selling apple pie from a restaurant, you're going to stop other people from competing with you, and as food trucks began to expand, the restaurants got together, went to the government and said hey, why don't you pass a law that makes it impossible for people to compete with us, and the government said that's a great idea. why don't we do that. and it's putting people out of business. >> one can obviously see why the brick and mortar establishments would be interested in having laws enacted and having

certification regimes. one wonders about the food trucks, what is the situation in chicago? have matters improved? are folks able to compete as well? >> the problem for the food truck people is what chicago does is not just regulate for health and safety. if you want to have basic sanitation rules for food, fine, what they inside chicago, if you have a food truck ucan't get close to anywhere that sells food. that's 7-eleven's, the kiosks, wherever. in the main downtown area of chicago, there is virtually not a square foot where a food truck can legally stop and serve food. kennedy: jeff, this problem has happened in new york city, it's happened in los angeles, it's happened in portland, oregon, anywhere you have a great, thriving new industry that god forbid might be competitive, the government shuts it down, and the bigger problem is it is squashing the basic freedoms and we are starting to take for granted this government oppression. do you see it spreading?

is that the mission of ij, is to stop it from spreading? . >> the mission of ij is to get people to wake up and understand the new way of doing business in america is actually the old way of doing business. and the old way is to go to the government and get the government to protect you from competition, and what we want to do at ij is restore the notion of freedom. basic economic liberty. so people like the schnitzel king can rule proudly over schnitzel eating subjects. kennedy: that's right. and you know what, i deem you the schnitzel king for the night. thank you very much, jeff. >> you bet, thank you. kennedy: indeed. in just a bit, you'll meet a poker player who lost millions when the government stopped his game. coming up next, what's the one place we all go and physically feel the government up in our business? the more you fight, the harder you push. here's a hint, blue glove. it's "the independents."

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. kennedy: there is no better example of the inefficiency and intrusion of government than the tsa. going to the airport, tries your patience and tests the limits of physical and emotional boundaries, we felt the prying fingers and the arbitrary searches, is there any sight in the tsa's overreach.

we're joined by chris edwards with the cato institute. is there any branch of government up in your business more than the tsa? >> no, the tsa is extremely annoying, the aviation system is getting more and more congested, more and more americans are wasting more time in airports. it's a lot for the economy. and our individual freedom and frankly, the tsa does a mediocre job in terms of security performance, there are 16 airports in the united states that have been allowed to have private airport screening. those airports typically do better than the airports with government screening and many tasks over the years. i think we get less congestion and better security if we went through private screening, which is what most other high income nations do. >> chris, what's the difference between the private and government screening? do they have different tactics or a matter of a different response system and responsiveness of the people

putting it together? >> well, one of the problems with government screening with the tsa is that they waste a lot of money, they spend hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars a year on programs that don't work. so they have a program called spot that they hire 3,000 undercover agents across airports across the united states, that are supposed to spot terrorists based on their behavior. program doesn't work, the gao says year after year this program doesn't work, because it's a government agency, it's never cut. we went to private screening. private companies have much more incentive to not spend money on things that don't work. put more money on more security screening lines to reduce congestion. so private sector companies they have incentives to innovate and do things that work. also, you know, private companies didn't do a good job they could be fired. so most airports in europe and canada, they use private

screening, they think it is better and that's the direction we ought to go. >> why isn't private screening more prevalent in the u.s., it can be done and is being done as you mentioned in a few airports. >> the democratic left wing politics frankly. soon after 9/11, within months, the united states nationalized airport screening with hardly any look at what other countries around the world were doing. other countries have gone in the opposite direction. canada went to private screening at airports. 80% of europe's airports use private screening. they think it's lower cost, more effective. a number of multinational private security companies that do a really good job, in the united states here, there are the odd senator like rand paul and the odd representative like john mica who want private screening. there is too much resistance, frankly, too much resistance and risk aversion to change the current system right now.

>> on the effectiveness of the tsa, back in 2010, we saw a report leaked i guess from 2006. that talked about 70% failure rate for the tsa. do we have any more recent numbers than that, that we can look to, to inform how effective or ineffective. >> i saw 99%. i'm sorry, 95% of any time a tsa person flagged someone either for a bag check or extra screening, 95% of the time it is useless. >> yeah, a lot of the tests the tsa has done have been secret and haven't been released. but like i said, there are 16 airports in the united states. the biggest being san francisco, where there's been direct comparisons on screening performance. in other words, trying to slip guns through security screening lines and the like. san francisco, with private screeners has generally done better for los angeles with government screeners. so we know private screening works and really a matter of

political resistance. >> will we get rid of the tsa. i understand the private option is the best option. we know that, it's not going to happen. how do you get rid of the useless body that doesn't do anything to keep us safer? >> it is impossible to get rid of it. under the current law of tsa created in 2001, airports are allowed to petition the federal government to go to private screening. 16 airports have done that. the current administration is strongly against it. the current administration, under obama, they unionized the tsa, against private screening for the usual left wing reasons. so hopefully the next administration can expand the private screening program, and eventually, i think we can go to private screening across the country. kennedy: another big win for unions. chris, thanks so much. so far you have been groped, fondled and shut down. if you play cards right, you can win big money online. nope. the government shut that down, too. it's all up in your business. this is "the independents."

>> when does government regulation go too far? >> when it interferes with people's personal lives. kennedy: like what? >> what they can drink, from a

. kennedy: did you know there was a poker boom in the early 90s. i'm sorry, poker, from 2003 to 2006, there was serious money to be made online and fun to be had in the booming online poker communities. the bigger the pool of players, the more money you could make in no limit texas hold 'em. the government smelled the party, shut it down. bring in dusty schmidt, a

professional poker player who profited during the boom. welcome, dusty. >> thanks for having me. kennedy: are you in the home of orlandia. i'm happy you are talking to us as well. how did the government get up into your business, dusty? >> in 2006, at the 11th hour, bill frist introduced to the safe port act, a must pass terrorism bill legislation called the uiga, the unlawful internet gaming enforcement act, and effectively gave the government the tools to shut down online poker, which they did. shut down the biggest three companies on tax day, and since then we've enjoyed a prohibition in online poker. kennedy: when you were playing, how much did you make within a

month? >> pretty much, without fail, between 50,000 and $150,000 in profit. kennedy: a month? that's amazing, dusty! is that because there were so many people playing poker at the same time? >> there were. a lot of times there were up to 300,000 people on poker stars, former sponsor. >> dusty, do i understand that prior to the passage of this legislation, online poker was kind of open. i guess, playing poker in your house, you had organized the game, would have been illegal, since the companies were stationed outside the united states was okay or people thought it was okay. >> yeah, exactly. you know, it's never been illegal for anybody to play poker and still isn't. but it's been illegal for the provider to provide online poker. kennedy: so you were a professional poker player, making upwards of $100,000 a

month, and then did that income stream just stop because of this overnight government enforcement? >> yeah, it just completely shut down. there are some smaller sites that are offering online poker and it's perfectly legal for us to play on it. and i still do. but the party was kind of over a little bit. certainly can't make 50 to $150,000 a month anymore, i started a publishing business, and published a couple of my own books, that was a very successful venture, but once what we called black friday, when they shut down the three biggest sites, i pretty much had to shut the doors on my publishing company as well, and lay off a couple employees. >> a new building championed by government toteies, lindsey graham and dianne feinstein and mike leigh that would clarify online gambling, owns a lot of

properties in nevada casinos. what's your message to people who want to ban online gambling full, straight-out in the united states? >> online gambling is more of a tricky one for me. i find it interesting that sheldon adelson is concerned that, well, on the congressional hearing he held up a cell phone and said do you want every one of these to become a mobile casino. kennedy: yes! ding, ding, ding! >> well, at the same time, offer that same service himself. kennedy: thank you very much for your time. >> thank you for having me on. kennedy: absolutely. and the world's most livable city. everyone likes beer and a cheap and easy way cows can enjoy the safe by product of the suds. the government will find a way to shut that down, too. next, we will challenge your knowledge of dumb laws and overregulation, do you think you know fiction from silly fact? test yourself next. >> when does government

regulation go too far? >> when it tells me how to live my life. i don't want government to tell me how my child should learn about religion if they're not religious, they shouldn't be taught certain things. as long as they deal with stuff thathe public needs to know about welfare,

. kennedy: welcome back to "the independents," where the government is up in your business, how far? we will play, you will decide. it's time for regulation fact or fiction, where laws are just dumb enougtototo be real! rounding out our panel is dee dee benkie, conservative deal maker who regularly appears on fox business and fox news, and melissa francis, the host of "money," she gave floyd

mayweather his name. on 2:00 p.m. on the fox business network, are you ladies ready to play? >> absolutely. kennedy: and how about the gents, want to talk trash ahead of time. >> doing it today. >> my goodness! >> what have i wandered into here. >> question number one, you decide if this law is fact or fiction. in portland, oregon, you may keep livestock in your yard without a permit if there are a total of three or fewer chickens, ducks, doves, pigeon, pygmy goats or rabbit, four or more require a permit. >> total fact, you had me at portland. kennedy: fact! fact! >> if you have over four pygmy goats. >> who doesn't? kennedy: delightful. >> it was the specificity of that that gave it away. kennedy: in boston, no person shall place, affix, erect or maintain a news rack on any

part of a public way without first obtaining a yearly certificate of compliance from the commissioner. >> totally fiction. >> feels like fact. kennedy: everyone but kmele has two. kmele you have one. it's going to be contrarian. in alexandra, virginia, you are welcome to build a tool shed without a permit unless it's more than 150 square feet or in a historical zone or too close to the sidewalk. fact or fiction? >> i think that's just -- it puts the ass in asinine. kennedy: matt and melissa, you are tied for the lead. three questions left. this is question number five. this is illegalo build a spice fence in connecticut to find a fence extending 6 feet in height in a front yard or 8 feet in height in a backyard. fact or fiction? >> going to go fact. kennedy: you all got that wrong.

the town populated by suburban in the film step ford wives. >> i need a fence now. >> that would be cool. kennedy: didn't robert frost say good fences make good -- >> he probably is. kennedy: question number six, no one shall sell silver, gold or silver plate without registering with the police in austin, texas. fact or fiction? >> selling plate mail can be is dangerous. kennedy: that is a fact, matt, you are in the lead. >> dee dee you are not far behind. kennedy: in sacramento, the city may seize property if they are monetarily compensated and can you convince enough people that building a stadium is a

good idea. >> that's basically true anywhere. kennedy: that is basically true anywhere, and you are firmly in the lead now. matt welsh. you won the game. >> is it done? kennedy: you want a tiebreaker. >> otherwise i'm never coming back. kennedy: sacramento city council approved a measure to use eminent domain for soccer stands. i like soccer but i don't like eminent domain. this is a tiebreaker question for the three of you. matt sit comfortably on guild of thrones. >> that's not fair, he has two. [ laughter ] . >> i know what you're doing. cheater. kennedy: in dairy, maine, you may not accept monetary compensation for acting as a clown at a children's birthday party or corporate event without obtaining a clown license. fact or fiction. >> got to be true. dairy is a town in stephen

king's novel about a ghost clown that devours children. >> this is rigged! >> we all get that wrong? >> yeah. i would have got that wrong because i had a system to play the game. kennedy: what was it? >> everything is true. every stupid thing that you hear that the government does is true. you can't believe that it's true that portland, oregon was shut down the lemonade stand of a girl and charge her $500, but they did because it's portland, oregon. >> they did it here. you shut her down? kennedy: i see all sorts of things in times square. >> i just presume, it is so terrifying they have probably unionized in that case they passed bizarre legislation that keeps other folks from becoming clowns as well. >> clowns are frightening. >> there are people finding you on twitter, dee dee, what? >> that posse clown, the clown

posse. that's okay. those clowns are okay. >> that's different. amateur clowns. kennedy: melissa and dee dee, thank you so much. >> i'm never coming back. kennedy: redemption, i know you. i know you. [ laughter ] >> lou dobbs is easy peacey, melissa francis, diva. you think your business suffers from bulging regulations, try running a restaurant. kmele goes into the jungle of food service and gets lost. next.

. kennedy: new york is the ultimate food town, right? if you have a successful restaurant here, you can print money, but remember, it's also a town where the government is always up in your business, especially when there's food involved. kmele foster went to see lawrence page, a passionate yet frustrated restaurateur in brooklyn, new york. >> we are here at the historic pink tea cup. folks know this brand. did you talk to me about how you became acquainted with this brand in the history? >> it's one of those things like if you grow up with the pink tea cup, you have to have your kids grow up exactly the in the pink tea cup and eating as well. >> do you want to go inside? >> i'll show you more about it, yeah. you also got to deal with

the health department. would you tell me how frequently they come and what you have to do? >> they don't know about the letter grade, about temperatures in refrigerator, they don't know anything about holding. there is so many things the health department didn't teach the new inspectors, you can't say anything back because they have a chip on the shoulder, i'm from the health department. look at my badge. say something to me, and i'm going to write you up ten point. they inspect you for everything wrong. 100% wrong. i know that i'm right. i know how to get the a. if you got an a, they come once a year, b, twice a year, c, three to four times a year. we have an a, they still had to look for something whether it's a crack in the floor, you know

what i mean? they want to say, we're going to give you one or two points for this. they tell me, lawrence, we can't go back and tell them we didn't write you at all. >> what are your coverts of compliance like when it comes to operational costs versus doing everything the regulators say you ought to do. >> you know what? when you get into the restaurant business, you got to understand that you put cost aside for violations, no matter how great of a restaurateur you are, you're going to get written up. >> i feel for the small guys trying to start up businesses and haven't been in the business long enough to know that you have to partner. your partner is not the guy who put up money with you, your partner is the city. congratulations, go meet your partner. >> you can show us around the kitchen a bit? >> sure. >> talk to me a little bit about how frequently folks come

in. when do they come, do you know when they come? >> at the busiest hour, they know you don't have times to put on gloves and put a hat on. people came and one of my guys didn't have a hat on. he said i was hot. it's 300 degrees, i'm sorry boss. i said i'm sorry i got to pay 3 or $400 for you not having a hat on. you never know when they're going to walk in. that's what it is. kennedy: i didn't see you wearing a hat. >> it just opened up. there was a camera crew for a reality show staged there, but also so he could show us around. the brand existed for many years, lenny kravitz worked in that establishment. >> i hope he wore a hat. >> a haunt for many motown greats as well. he mentioned the inspectors come and it is well known they

have to come in and write you up for something, any small thing and the biggest fine he got was $5,000. he did not tell me what it was for, but you can imagine that adds up for the small restaurateurs. kennedy: i just hope there is not an inspector watching the show. i hope everyone is watching. i hope you call your grandma and relatives, but if there is an inspector watching, i hope they have a good sense of humor and are not going to punish poor lawrence for it. >> i'm happy to see an a or b or c. i like to see information when i'm going someplace. kennedy: if only it will tell but the quality of the food and whether or not somebody is wearing a hat. >> go to tripadvisor, wherever there is a place everyone grease the government has a row. you don't think about it twice. you don't think is the government having health inspectors, you have the inspectors in foodie places, in brooklyn that have the dry aged

meats on the hook, and they're trying to apply 25-year-old regulations to new types of foods ey can't judge this correctly. they'll slap people with fines. every restaurateur, some who love the idea of regulation will just say these people don't have any idea what they're doing. kennedy: yes, and we saw it when we went to the democratic convention, and there were inspectors just poking thermometers in the meat patties. so arbitrary, shutting people down, throwing away perfectly good trays of food, i don't think it necessarily keeps us safer. i don't. am i wrong? >> i don't know. i don't think so. kennedy: i don't think so. i loved seeing your pink tea cup. you love cows, you love beer. the government has to spoil the beer-cow party. you didn't know there was one. up in your business continues next. >> how is the government up in your business? >> they're not. >> no, government is not up in your business? the government is awesome? >> yes.

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. kennedy: we must always be careful when crafting utopias. sometimes they are business and nature a wonderful symbiosis. take beer brewing, a gallon of beer makes a pound of spent malted barley husks and cheap grain is a yummy way to feed cows. it's great for brewers and farmers get to feed their beef for almost nothing, the government decided cows munching on beer scraps poses a risk to safety. how now, brown cow. one of oregon's esteemed

breweries, joe is a senior vp at widmer brothers. how are you? >> hi, how are you? kennedy: i'm curious to hear about the beneficial relationship between brewers and farmers where you take the spent grain and give it to farmers which yields tasty milk or delicious steaks, why is the government trying to shut down that bargain? >> taking a look at it as a result of the food safety modernization act that came through the government a couple years ago, it's just a general look at food safety in the united states in general across a number of different industries, but also to increase awareness from the fda and trying to move towards a stance of prevention instead of reaction. kennedy: help me out, i know this grain is boiled, so it's not loaded with bacteria. are they worried the cows are going to get loaded? get drunk? or somehow they're eating something that's going to make them sick and we'll get sick from sickly cows?

>> i think it's about traceability. there's no significant level of contamnants in the grain, it's considered microbiologically stabile to 170 degrees as produced at the brewery. it's a great food source, a very clean food source and works very well for the cattle industry as you mentioned. something that the brewers need to move on in order to keep making beer and something that dairymen and cattlemen need to feed the stocks. >> good for the cattlemen, for the brewers, and i imagine that most of the cattlemen are not the unscrupulous business people who want to drive their business out of business by selling -- by purchasing something and giving it to cows and kills and makes them sick and undermines the business. what is the motivation for getting involved? am i missinging? >> i think it's part of the focus on prevention instead of reaction. whatever the foodstuff is, they're look more closely at that.

the relationship between brewers and local dairymen and cattlemen has been in place for thousands and thousands of years. there's no recorded instance of sickness or anything associated with the way that spent grains are handle. these days there is more fermentation industries than beer, there is fuel ethanol, and other things like that, sometimes those grains are handled differently. so we may need to separate those things out and regulate them slightly differently. >> how would this change the way you currently handle grains? what would you do to the bottom line? what would you do differently if the proposal went into effect? . >> the main proposal is the grains have to be dried and sold in prepackaged form or sealed container. that would shut down a large number of breweries for very large breweries in the united states, tense of millions of dollars for compliance, for our own operation, it would be just in the grain handling alone

would be millions of dollars. for us, it would probably be cheaper to landfill the grain, which is a horrible alternative than it would be to install all the equipment needed for compliance, but just to land filtgrain, for our brewery, that is 17 million pounds of grain going to the landfill per year. kennedy: and by the way, the cattlemen have to grow the extra grain or turn to someone to grow extra grain and purchase it at a much higher price and that is going to drive up not only the price of beer but the cost of milk and beef! >> absolutely. all of the commodities go up in price, this issue would hit american breweries and american industries more specifically than imports because the imports wouldn't be suspect to the same regulation. kennedy: joe, thank you very much. >> sure, thank you. kennedy: breast-feeding moms, lemonade sellers and tiny people with big ideas getting up.

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. kennedy: well, we've looked at all the ways the government gets up in our business. we've been through it. we're all adults, we're can handle it. what about our kids? the government declared war on the littlest once. for example, an 11-year-old girl in my hometown of portland, oregon. there is so much oregon. i love it. local officials shut down her entrepreneurial spirit and told her to go beg for money instead inside the park! she told a reporter she didn't want to ask for donations she wanted to work to make her teeth straight, and got so much attention, her business flourished and she was able to employ people and buy her friend a set of braces as well.

isn't that awesome? >> takes for getting media attention. how many times are people pressured and step away, they decide at a tender age, i'm not going to bother with doing this again. it's a terrible thing to tell a kid. i can't start your own business and sell something, you have to beg, that's awful. kennedy: better to hold a cardboard sign. working for it, sweet, lamb. learn the importance of inventory and marketing than to have a lemonade stand. there are dozens of stories of kids getting shut down. this one made me chase. a county inspector fined parents $500 because their kids didn't have a vendor license for lemonade stand. the fine was waived but the kids have to move off the main drag where there were more customers and regulators were mad because the kids happened to be the spawn of rich people and they were selling bottled lemonade under a big fat tent.

why shut down the kids? you have a child. have you ever had a lemonade stand? >> we haven't. it's a matter of time before we roll the dice with the local law enforcement. the thing is when you see the outrage stories because the perennial and see what people write about it on facebook, which is obviously scientific, the justification sport is the amazing thing to read. you don't know what's in the lemonade, people might get poisoned. kennedy: sugar, water and lemon juice. >> we have to create a system. people cannot imagine that there's a peaceable transaction between two human beings that doesn't have the government involved. >> a woman was eating with family after a funeral. she had two beers over the course of a couple hours. when baby got fussy she started nursing six-month-old. nosy off-duty waitress called the cops and arrested the woman for child endangerment. it should put the fear of god that the government can climb so up in your business it can

prevent you from doing something so important as nurturing your baby. i live in an overzealous place where easily the lapd or the l.a. county sheriff could have taken my baby. terrifying. >> terrifying for me, knowing you would never do anything to harm your child. drinking beer helps milk to come in. >> some of the scariest things in all of the law is wherever the government tries to get between you and your child. they're separating families. it's pretty frightening. kennedy: especially when they get between a mom or newborn baby or young baby whose only source of nutrition is breast milk. back off. hopefully we've gotten the government out of your business. when you get the nagging feeling, it's them. and they shouldn't be there in the first place. thank you so much for watching. see you with a big crop of new shows next week.

for matt welch and kmele foster. i'm kennedy. good night. monday. ♪ ♪ ♪ charles: a health care security emergency putting your medical information at risk. welcome, everyone, i am charles payne and for neil cavuto. google, microsoft, and facebook stepping in to stop the next heartbleed attack. millions are at risk. alerting people to change their passwords now. if kate rogers reports, a surge of cyberattacks could put the whole health care sector at