that's just my "two cents more." have a great weekend and we will see you back here on good evening, everybody. the supreme court today struck a blow against affirmative action and bolstered the power of state government and the right of voters to decide the issue. the supreme court ruled that states have the right to determine whether race can be used as a factor in college admissions. the 6-2 addition also represents a victory for both the public referendum and the state of michigan. where eight years ago 58% of voters backed an end to racial preferences at state schools. riding for the majority, justice anthony kennedy stopped short of saying government institutions can never use racial

preferences, but he did write, quote, this case is not about how the debate about how racial preferences should be resolved. it is about who may resolve it. there is no authority in the constitution of the united states or in this court's precedents for the judiciary to set aside michigan laws that commit this policy determination to the voters. the dissenting votes coming from justices ruth bader ginsburg and sonia sotomayor who wrote at length about what they call persistent racial inequality. today's ruling expected to have racial implications. and now other states may try to follow suit. especially after a supreme court decision last june that made it far more difficult for public schools to justify the use of race in their admission policies and criteria. perhaps no one more disappointed

than u.s. general eric holder who boldly two years ago declared he could not fathom a world where affirmative action would not be required. >> i can't actually imagine a time in which the need for diversity will ever cease. so the question is not only when does it end, but when does it begin? and does it begin at the end of slavery? no. we are dealing with a relatively small period of time in which african-americans, other people of color have truly had the benefits to which they are entitled. >> other critics of today's ruling say affirmative action bans have resulted in reduced minority enrollment in public institutions. but michigan's attorney general says such numbers are skewed because michigan recently changed the way it compiles statistics on minority students.

here now to assess the legal ramifications of the supreme court ruling, attorney fox news legal analyst lisa wheel, doug burns. good to have you both with us. give us a sense of how powerful a decision this is, how important. >> very powerful. normally the supreme court tries to keep the ruling as narrow as possible. there's no part of the constitution -- you were reading from the opinion. there's another sentence saying there's no part in the constitution that says if michigan voters don't want to pass this referendum to allow equality. they're saying no racial preferences in public schools. equality above board or across the board. it took since 2006 to make this happen, but it is a sweeping decision today. >> doug, your thoughts? >> this is a crucial, historic decision because what it does is it says that the supreme court should not be nationalizing

issues such as others that i won't mention, but you know what i mean. take abortion, go right to it. states want to ban affirmative action, then we leave it to the states. and isn't it interesting that they cobbled together a majority and got in some of the liberal members of the court on the idea that we're not going to reach the merits of a national rule on affirmative action. we're going to say that the states can decide it. guess what. they should have done that -- >> don't forget this goes back to referendum in 2006 where it passed by 58% saying we want this referendum to pass. we want equality in our schools. >> and the idea that race will not be a factor in the state of michigan -- >> and even other states, right. >> but it also says that that referendum, that is the expression of the popular will of the voters is that powerful. i have to say so you, i find that incredibly empowering for

the citizens as well as the state. >> a huge day for states rights. absolutely. you're telling a state in michigan you passed that referendum. it was then overturned which is how it got to the supreme court. so it's taken all this time. >> can you imagine this. we're seeing decisions on other issues. but a lowly district court holding that a referendum, a public initiative of registered voters in that state can be nullified by one person sitting at a bench. >> i don't want to overstate this, but again, there has been so much talk for so many years about nine super legislatures sitting on a bench in washington. the fact of the matter is today's decision will hopefully signify that we're going to allow legislative matters to be legislated and not from the supreme court. >> especially with no constitutional issue involved. there's no constitutional issue

here. >> isn't it where there may not be a constitutional issue, the court manufactures it. >> they didn't do that today. they could have also sloughed it off on a technicality. but they did not do that here. >> is it your sense this is the direction for the court going forward? >> every state in the union is going to be looking at this decision today. when they have legislators coming up with things they want to legislate or put out as part of a bill or referendum, they're going to look at this decision and that's going to give them a lot of support. >> you go to core constitutional theory, it's so interesting -- >> maybe to you. >> you're a lawyer. >> i've read you book and you've got a lot in there about that. but the point is, what's a state issue and what becomes a federal or national issue? and the point of the matter is there's a lot that could be handled by the states. >> the other which affirmative action is a doctrine that is

given great weight and is shaping our times is the workplace. how much of an influence does this half either directly or indirectly -- i suppose directly we could say nothing. >> indirectly it does. it doesn't have a presidential value, this case doesn't on private employers. this dealt with public schools. but it will -- employers just as i talked about legislators talking about this, employers will look at this and say this is the law of michigan and other states. >> there's a lot of history of discrimination in the country. but the way to correct it and this is what people have been saying is not to discriminate in reverse. let's look at other ways, perhaps, to do that. >> one would hope that would be the case, but what is disturbing

about what an attorney general says. the former head of the naacp, basically this is a public policy in perpetuity. as if there had been no progress in this country in the past 50 or 60 years. >> even sandra day o'connor said there is a time limit. i believe her time little was 25 years. so we're there. >> and i think most importantly the country is there. this is a different nation today than 1965 or certainly through the '50s. thank you both for being here. >> my pleasure. our government is out of control. some americans have decided to fight back. has president obama altered the american psyche? psychiatrist dr. keith amblow with the answers.

our first guests say the holder is ludicrous. joining us is senior fellow, contributing editor heather macdonald. and columnist john fon. this is quite a day for drug offenders. this has moved to the top apparently of the agenda. >> well, this whole push is based on the false conceit that the federal crack penalties were racist. which is ludicrous because it was the congressional black caucus that pushed for federal government involvement in the crack wars which were tearing

apart the inner city. and the penalties are identical to the federal meth penalties. meth offenders are overwhelmingly white. there are few black meth offenders. i think this is based on the obama administration's current push to accentuate the idea that america is a racist society. we see the impact analysis in school discipline, in other fields. bank lending. and it's basically just a lie. >> race dominated the psyche of this administration. marinated in it. and why? >> i think as a political strategy in part. i think i'm sure that the people in. -- >> so it's cynical? >> i'm sure they believe it's a deeply racist country. >> let me see if i've got this right. the first black attorney general in the country's history and first president in the country's history think it's a racist

country because they've only been in office for a second term. how many terms would it take to convince them otherwise? >> eric holder has said affirmative action will go on forever because it will always be necessary because of our past sins. that pretty much sums up -- >> which sins would that be? the 300,000 people that gave their lives to free the slaves in the civil war? which group of people is he addressing as the sinners? >> i'm sure all of them are gone. >> these are ludicrous statements. and yet apparently taken seriously by some who forget american history. no other country has ever -- over 300,000 people were killed to free slaves to win the war. and it's astonishing. >> it's also the case that virtually every elite institution in this country is desperate for diversity.

to claim there's bias against black is counterfactual when the opposite is the case. every university in the country with standards of admissions are still trying to find ways to enroll and hire as many black as possible. >> is there consequence to looking at these fictions about race if they are indeed -- if you agree that they are fictions. >> the race industry is powerful. >> i know. >> a lot of whites play into it. it makes them feel like they're reaching out and elevating themselves against this allegedly racist white america down below. >> i heard a clinton administration official once say it's not our fault which we call you reyesist and there may not be truth to it. it's your fault if you get angry and react against it because that clearly shows you have

guilt. >> they're not only sanctimonious people, they are amazingly insightful practicing psychiatrists as well. >> and deeply -- >> i'm very impressed by it all. let me turn to the issue of illegal immigration in which there seems to be more than enough guilt to spread around after ten years after nothing happening. where are we headed on this issue as we hear john boehner now say he's reversed himself nine separate times by our count in the past year. and now where are we with illegal immigration? is the speaker going to push the gang of eight bull for amnesty? >> it depends on whether he's more for the establishment or the grassroots. clearly the establishment republicans want amnesty. if they can just put the did sh. >> they've got so much empirical evidence. one would understand why they

would feel that way. it's a nice emotion, but there just seems to be few facts to support the view. >> there's very few facts. the fact is hispanics naturally incline towards big government. and the obama administration has been enforcing the immigration laws. in fact, if you're in the interior of the country now, you stand no chance of getting deported. >> so at this juncture in time, why does anyone take illegal immigration seriously? why does anybody bother with the border? why do we continue to act as if there's some result other than what is before us? that is an administration that has taken control of our government, our lives, our society and decided there is no such thing as illegal immigration. >> look. the sad reality is we're pretending to enforce the border but we don't. i've been on this show for over a year saying it's not going to

happen and it won't. because the political realities are against them. >> then why does he keep protesting otherwise? >> because there are a lot of business interests that want an immigration bill and he's placating them frankly. >> placating them and defending a sizable portion of their constituencies. >> i will disagree with heather on one point. a lot of surveys show as hispanics reach the median income of around $50,000, their voting patterns do change. that's one of the reasons we need economic growth. we want more people in the middle class. more interested in property and stable communities and shall we say different candidates. >> well, there's no bigger group that supports obamacare than hispanics. >> that has fallen dramatically. >> they still support the concept. >> down to 51%. >> running against obamacare is not a way to woo his supporters. >> by november i would expect hispanics to be going for

republicans nationwide by a huge margin. >> the reflection is everyone will stay home. >> i think you've spoiled it for us all. now we know who it comes out. thank you both for being here. appreciate it. iran is more than mr. obama's problem. ambassador john boldin up. a short word that's a tall order. up your game. up the ante. and if you stumble, you get back up. up isn't easy, and we ought to know. we're in the business of up. everyday delta flies a quarter of million people while investing billions improving everything from booking to baggage claim. we're raising the bar on flying and tomorrow we will up it yet again.

yemeni officials say they are conducting dna tests on those killed in a large anti-terrorist operation. those tests to be conducted determine whether al qaeda's chief bomb maker was in fact killed. if his death is confirmed, it would be the most senior al qaeda member to be killed since osama bin laden. iran challenging a decision by the obama administration to deny a visa to iran's u.n. ambassador hamid abatalebi due to his role in the hostage crisis. iranian officials pressing their case in front of a un committee

that includes cuba, china, and russia. joining us now fox news contributor john bolton. good to have you here. press as they will, you know, it's kind ofr hard to get to the united nations without being on u.s. territory. so i can't wait to hear from this committee. how about you? >> right. well, i think this committee which is the committee on relations with the host country namely us is going to punt on this. i think iran took the matter there. i think they wanted to pound their trust. i don't think the obama administration has necessarily denied the visa request. i think they may just not act on it one way or the other. that way they can say to iran it's not us. >> are you suggesting the obama mrs is voting present on the issue? >> i would be the last person to suggest that, lou.

absolutely not. look, iran. this is a win/win for iran. they're going to come back to obama saying you owe one on the nuclear demonstration and the administration will give them something. >> let's turn to yemen. the 65 al qaeda terrorists on the peninsula, that's quite a strike. that's quite an effective result by an administration who seems to be played catch-up after all the images of al qaeda showed up in yemen. what are your thoughts? >> well, they say that these strikes were unrelated to those issues. i find that hard to believe. and i have to ask if you could find 65 terrorists in one place in yemen yesterday, why couldn't you have done that before? so i aplied it. i think the terrorists are now in the place they deserve to be.

but you have to wonder what took so long. >> and kudos to the administration to the president for ordering those strikes. and to all who carried them out for their effectiveness. let's turn to ukraine. the vice president joe biden is there telling russia -- i can hardly say these words with a straight face. telling russia it's time to stop talking and start acting to reduce tension in ukraine. do you think that he might consider his own counsel? >> well, they're quaking in their boots in the kremlin over that. in fact, this is an example where rhetoric and i certainly agree with what the vice president is saying, but where rhetoric unaccompanied by action actually leaves the united states in a worse position. because all this tough talk followed by essentially nothing simply reinforces vladimir putin's view that he could do

pretty much what he wants in ukraine. that he will not bear significant costs. and i think that's a terrible lesson for putin and the other russian leadership to draw. >> there seems to be no other lesson to result in this case. the united states seems powerless, unwilling. and incapable of influencing events. it seems to me frankly that they would be well served this president and his administration to just quit talng. >> look. that would be a step forward. the house organ of the white house, "the new york times" reported a couple days ago that putin tried for five years to press the reset button. >> who talks like that. >> because the russians wouldn't play along. now he'll shun putin for his remaining three years in office.

in the kremlin, they read this and they conclude that we have a president who simply is disconnected from reality. so the crisis in the ukraine is not over, nor are the pressures in the other former republics of the soviet union. nor have the chinese ignored what's happened here as the president travels to asia today. chinese making their own assertive territorial claims concluded they can do what they want too. >> they are also making some inferences from the fact the president has chosen not to visit china on this trip. as always, good to have you with us. >> thank you. whether it's a solar flare or a nuclear blast, america's electrical grid is vulnerable electrical grid is vulnerable and our lyives are at predicting the future is a pretty difficult thing to do. but, manufacturing in the united states means advanced technology.

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the united states is unprepared for the effects of an elect ro magnetic pulse. our next guest says high waves would cause a blackout of the electric grid for months or years. potentially killing nine out of ten americans through starvation, disease, societal collapse. he also says we have the technology to prevent disaster. joining us now is peter vincent frye. he's on the task force of national and homeland security, director of the u.s. nuclear strategy forum. good to have you with us. let's start with the prospect of an emp event. give us your best assessment of the odds or if there is a way to tell, truly, what those odds are. >> well, this assessment is not my own, but of the congressional commission on which i served and

other government studies including by the national academy of sciences, department of energy, and the strategic posture commission. the possibility of a natural emp from the sun, a superstorm like the carrington event is ine ineffortab ineffortabineffor inevitab inevitable. within our children's generation or our grandchildren, before the year 2030 it's one of eight events that could change the course of global civilization. so we're concerned about that. >> let me ask you this. we are not prepared, obviously. but are there nations that are prepared? is there a benchmark amongst the nations of the world? >> china and russia are prepared. they prepared for the worst emp scenario which is a nuclear emp attack. they believe you could find and

win a nuclear war, still believe that. they hardened their infrastructures during the cold war. some of the countries at higher northern latitudes, countries like sweden which are exposed to geomagnetic storms which happen every year at high northern latitudes, they are better prepared. but most of the world is not. recently as 1989, there was a tomorrow called the quebec storm that blacked out half of canada in 92 seconds. and nuclear emp, that's something to be concerned about. that's why iran wants the bomb. we know it from military writings. we've seen them practice attacks using missiles. fusing the warheads at high altitude. and their warships are now on patrol off our coast. our nightmare on the commission was they would use a short range misse to get a clear weapon over the east coast of the united states which is where 75%

of our electric is generated. this way they could make such an attack anonymously and perhaps escape retaliation. >> you've estimated the cost to prepare for such an attack and defend ourselves and to prevent the calamity that you have described at $2 billion. is that correct? >> that is correct. that is what the emp estimate was. it would cost $2 billion to protect the grid. this wouldn't be federal money. it would be passed on to the rate payers. at more ties over time it would amount to something like 20 cents extra per year on people's electric pill. >> there are states as you know in florida, virginia, maine who are acting on their own. why are there not more? >> there are more. we actually have some responsibility. my task force. we just started last year out of

frustration with the fact the bills to protect the grid such as the shield act and the grid act, the critical infrastructure protection act. these bills have been held up in committee. some of them the shield act, even though they have super majorities behind them. there's strong bipartisan support behind those bills but washington is so broken is all you need is one key member of a committee and the power lobby is the problem. they don't want these bills passed because it would includes federal regulation of the industry. but we went to the states where the commissions do have the legal authority already to require -- >> and how many states? >> so far we've got three. but we only started last year. february of last year. beginning with maine earlier this year virginia passed legislation. >> i said maine, virginia, and florida. >> yes. that's right. >> okay.

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last week i promised you we would be incorporating google glass into the broadcast, and we're doing so. here to help us with it is because of my extraordinary limitations is the technology editor at mashable.com. great to have you here, pete. and to see you so well adorned with your google glass. >> yeah, yeah. my pleasure. >> i've got to say. i played with it, i sent -- i've sent e-mails. i've taken pictures.

i've talked on the phone on the glass with it. it's really very cool. >> yeah, yeah. >> but i can't say i'm comfortable with it. >> i think you're encounters glass stage one. the e-mails and photos and messages. when you start doing things like googing with it, directions are a dream. you see a 3d map up here and it just -- the arrow moves with your head as you move. it's really quite incredible some of the things they've done with this. >> i want to try this. okay, glass. call debbie. that's my wife, by the way. we'll see if it's working. okay, glass. i'm talking to you. >> it's getting there. >> call debbie. okay, glass. call debbie. okay, glass.

make a call to debbie. please. it's calling. >> there you got it. >> it's happening. >> so obviously the voice recognition might need some work. >> it's more me. i wasn't projecting properly. >> this isn't for sale yet. this is the developer unit that is sort of gone out to some -- you got a call. >> babe, can you hear me? this is my wife and i won't take long. babe, pete from mashable and i are sitting on the air talking with you along with millions of other people. >> hi, debbie. >> pete says -- did you hear pete say hi? but, anyway. she says how are you doing. and the fact is, babe, i'm going to get off this phone before i get in trouble on national television. and love you and i'll talk with you soon. see you soon.

love you, babe. >> so that's great. you managed to do that without ever dialing anything on a phone. you could have done all that without ever even touching it. you had to fall back on that when it sort of wasn't working. but it's all hands free which is pretty amazing. >> so is this going to work? i mean, i'm charmed by it. i'm entranced by it. you know, it's a challenge part. i want to use it as it can be used. is it going to be successful? >> that's the million dollar question that is still to be determined. and i think in order for it to be successful on the scale google wants, they clearly want to position this as a mainstream advice. they're going to have to rethink the design. i think it's pretty amazing to have all these notifications and thing right on your face whenever you need them. it just kind of looks a little silly. and that's sort of the feedback i get from a lot of people that they like the idea of it, but

that they would never wear it. >> well, i was just going to say how great you look. >> well, thank you. >> pete, thanks so much. >> thank you. up next, average americans taking up arms against the federal government. has the american psyche changed in some important ways under the obama administration? psychiatrist dr. keith ablow gives us his analysis next. why is our arizona-based company relocating manufacturing to upstate new york? tell people it's for the climate. the conditions in new york state are great for business. new york is ranked #2 in the nation for new private sector job creation. and now it even better because they've introduced startup new york - dozens of tax-free zones where businesses pay no taxes for ten years. you'll get a warm welcome in the new new york. see if your business qualifies at startupny.com

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americans taking up arms in the fight against their government over the bundy ranch standoff. with the bureau of land management threatening to continue its audacious abuse of power in texas. here to examine the effect of the obama administration over this country's psyche if there

has been, dr. keith ablow. psychiatrist, member of the fox news medical a-team. first, great to have you with us. >> pleasure. >> and bundy. one rancher, a fella in his 60s standing there telling the government to go to hell and they show up with 200 agents and local law enforcement agents and they've got sniper rifles positioned. there's lethal force all around the man. what in the world is that about? >> it's a huge overreach, lou. obviously. an audacious sign of power. it's the federal government gearing up to show how little the individual is compared to their fire power, compared to their expectations to maintain authority. listen. they contend this man owes a million dollars. there are cases that settle in court for a lot more than a million dollars without people taking militias to each other's back yards. but here in america right now the reason this becomes a flash point is the obama

administration has asserted that people don't really own anything. because you have to buy health care insurance, you don't have money. and because there might be eminent domain, you may not own labd land. >> people forget this is the president who said you didn't build that. >> exactly. >> and i think individualism is a personal philosophy the perhaps more alive, more robust in the west than it is the east. individualism still accounts for much west of the mississippi and i don't know to what degree, but it is more than in the east. >> individualism doesn't have to be selfishness. it can be performing to your best for yourself and your fellow man. i count on americans to develop a lot of cures for illnesses that ail us. i count on american ingenuity to develop products that can help us. and we've always counted on americans, individuals to sign

up to go to the military and defend liberty. but this president trusts no individual. and i think that's deep in the psyche because as i've said before, individuals let him down again and again and again from boyhood on. >> and this president seems intent on demonstrating the power of government. whether it be the bureau of land management. you know, his threats that have been for the most part empty to foreign leaders about what they must or must not do. and you use the expression that individualism need not be selfish, but there was a time say five years ago when people talked about selfishness recognized the invisible hand of adam smith in the market place and talked about selfishness as good and a necessary influence on outcomes in a capitalist

society. >> listen. why are there watches that cost $100,000 in the world? why? because somebody's willing to work for it. i'm not particularly, but they're going to create jobs. >> exactly. an old friend of mine once said the only exorbitant price for anything is the price that someone won't pay. >> exactly right. >> it proved to be true. >> it's been proved to be true. and either you believe in the inherent worth of the individual and his connection to goodness which i happen to relate a connection to a higher power or you don't. and the only place you can go if you don't is to the collective having power and that's where barack obama is. >> you know the word collective always scare -- ought to scare the living hell out of every american. to everything this nation stands for, everything that our

forebearers fought for. it's astonishing to me to hear the word incorporated into this administration and its now public policy of philosophy. >> when you spend years, an entire term and now more, telling people that they ought not think of themselves as having manifest destiny and not think of themselves as particularly special on the face of the earth, why would you tell people that if not to take away their desire to do good? i think we are a special people. i think that's okay to say. >> yeah. not only okay, but i think it's fact. you talk about manifest destiny, it took john kerry minutes a dismiss the monroe doctrine for all the world. and the next thing we see are ships with funny looking flags from -- i put it this way -- unwanted parts of the world in

the caribbean. >> after the man threw medals that were not his own over the white house fence during a vietnam protest, he kind of lost me. >> i think at the rate he's going, secretary kerry is losing lots of other folks right now. doctor, good to have you here. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> dr. keith ablow. up next, governor jeb bush called it an act of love, but immigration reform turns out to be just a game for some rather shallow politicians with some rather, well, i think sordid up. a short word that's a tall order. up your game. up the ante. and if you stumble, you get back up. up isn't easy, and we ought to know. we're in t the business of up. everay delta flies a quarter of million people while investing billions improving everything from booking to baggage claim.

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america's truly a remarkable country, isn't it? where else in the world could a former florida governor and younger brother of a former president manage to pander to both corporate elites, the political establishment, and

then also labor unions and millions of illegal immigrants as well all simultaneously? jeb bush has done just that. he's been mocked mercilessly for his remark that illegal immigration is, quote, an act of love. but the former governor was back at it last night trying to hard to enthrall a group of swells who aren't embarrassed by the gathering under a pretentiously styled davos in the desert event in scottsdale, arizona. the only more pretentious event would be the original that convenes annually in the swiss brother jeb has illegal immigration all figured out. >> we need to fix our broken immigration system and rebuild one that is true to our immigrant heritage and economically driven. it would include a probust gust worker program, the expansion of work visas, the elimination of

country quotas and created a fair path to legalized status for the millions that live in the shadows today. >> live in the shadows? are you kidding us, governor? and more robust? a more robust worker program? we issued in this country a combined half a million work visas last year. and the governor is getting support from other prominent republicans. the latest senator jeff flake of arizona of the devout gang of eight who said in a facebook post that he applause bush for, quote, having the guts to call illegal immigration an act of love. now, that is impressive. but americans of all stripes may be wondering, senator flake, since when does it take immense courage to pander to interests and fawn at the feet of power?

bush is clearly under the impression that passing amnesty is his key to presidential hopes in 2016. let me be among the first to say that the republican party needs to embrace a big tent, a much bigger tent that certainly includes hispanics and in large numbers. but pandering to them with bald offers of amnesty may not do the trick. and patronizing hispanic-americans may well offend more than comfort. in fact, according to research, immigration is only the fifth most important issue for latinos. the most important issue for latinos look a lot like the same issues that affect all americans. education, jobs, the economy, health care, and the budget. issues that matter to all americans. and by 2016 my guess is presidential candidates who

comprehend the importance of shared values and a united people will succeed with the american voter and pandering by then will be a strategy too widely attempted by candidates of both parties to result in anything but disappointment. let's take a look at a few of your comments now. great reaction to last night's quote by h.l. minken who wrote, as democracy is perfected the office of president represents more and more closely the inner soul of the people. on some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the white house will be adorned by a down right moron. paula tweeted about the quote, wow he must have had a crystal ball. tell us what you think always. e-mail me, follow us on twitter, go to our facebook page. links to everything at loudobbs.com. and we're giving a free copy of

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