have a good night. neil: just call mcdonnell's getting growth. protesters circling on the illinois shareholder meeting outside of chicago what they want to see the of food player do is play nice on minimum-wage doubling the minimum wage at $15 an hour so workers don't have to protest like they are in illinois. things got so bad mcdonald's have to shut down some facilities to account for the of protest most were clergy and others were union members.

what to make of the big push to double the of wage? we have our senior fellow richard benjamin joining us as well as our fox business all stars. i think i understand. the push is increase the of minimum-wage these guys want $15 they know they will not get it but they sure want to settle with the $7 now so they will get what they want to leverage to make bosses think county your lucky stars it is not 15 you'll happily give us the $10. >> that is not the only logic. say once a fair wage many cannot support their families. neil: it is double. >> not just a question of flooded is but the ceo

disparity that is part of the conversation. 1,000 / one the best food ceos making to the lowest workers' wages. neil: call them the franchise operations they don't make millions of dollars per year. so let say that pay is egregious to you as well. what will they have to you do is a double that wage? >> but it is the brent. neil: no. we're talking about the operation. >> they very much welcome an it is not just the franchise neil: we will not pay more for burgers or franchise? >> the problem is we discovered the inequality wages are hurting not just mcdonald's but the economy generally is. neil: what about those with the food chain that suddenly

they jump that 15 that has to increase their pay as well. just that. you see the cycle? >> increasing wages is not a bad thing so is this has a ripple effect. >> wages that increase normally with economic growth that is the problem. you cannot force higher wages. the economy house to accept it. the franchisees' are out there running these businesses they have said they cannot afford the $15 an hour. that nra came out to say there is the massive job losses that went through. neil: i can see the wisdom of the a higher minimum wage to index to inflation instead of the fake it, all

the time but $15? i don't even know with this recovery is $10.10 is its over three years or not. i think it is more important to be encouraged to get people in the door then we debates. >> absolutely. we keep hearing we need more jobs. we need more jobs now we make a large incentive to give somebody a job? why is it be forced a pay level? why not 24 to $5? neil: this is a tough problem you cannot force wages but they force the the ceo wages just fine. >> the disparity is the issue for you that my is $15 okay? if that corporate ceo makes

$1 million that is nothing. why is that acceptable? >> for the shareholders voted down the $25 million pay package for the:ceo they cave in to the realization it is not beneficial. >> what wade know what will happen is the cbo already told us what will happen we will lose 500,000 through 1 million jobs. >> there are other states have higher national average neil: you'll work under the logic that they will disproportionately spend it. but you lose sight of the fact that restaurants will have to lay off workers and you don't strike me as as a fast-food guide but if you

stop you get your own food in your own soda and practically crooked because it is all automated. i have nothing against that because i take extra hamburgers but the price of that exponentially goes up as the cost goes up and if you have not heard a there is a health care law adding to this and there are regulations adding to the cost. the first i.m. paying -- all for the business to provide that you don't think of average, americans buying the burgers are the fries to pay through the nose, a demos might think tank has many studies saying if you raise the minimum wage you don't have to pass that cost neil: come on. you don't? >> these corporations have the share buyback programs. >> day our business owners. >> but to you don't have to.

neil: hypothetically let's say you are right. you are not by the way. americans are drawn to value , a value meals, value pricing. every time mcdonald's has to increase the price the business flutters away and wal-mart warned this week the customers are not there. with wages the way they are now. >> did made the important points that mcdonald's is mostly a franchise enterprise provided% maybe someone in downtown chicago. we have many states with many states with a national -- with minimum wages that are higher.

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that. neil: i had the pleasure to speak to thousands of ceos my next is my favorite although not just because the brought food. the former ceo of mcdonald's usa.

because of laziness and incompetence pouring good money after bad but there is a rare quality in the business world that does a guy is now into a chain that is known for the delicious barbeque ribs the new ceo of dave's barbeque. of i only say that because he brought some barbecue and i am hungry. [laughter] congratulations. >> is an accident that this is the fabulous company. >> you just got bored. >> a little bit. neil: did you pick up our discussion in the prior segment of the protest where people want a the minimum-wage -- providing

they will happily settle for that higher wage the president once but $15 is like the overture. >> absolutely. they will settle at $10 to think they did something magnificent but they should settle at $8 to see there entry-level jobs never meant to be careers. >> but everyone of those protesters is paid minimum-wage. >> i don't know how many are fast-food workers. >> people are paid $8 to show up. neil: if you are at that wage a dozen years or more something is wrong. >> there should be of a career path for all

minimum-wage workers if they find a career that they like >> i started off making $85,000 -- $0.85 per hour. neil: did somebody come in at some point to say we have a small increase? >> i bet you 60 percent of those executives worked in a restaurant. neil: about what is the time? just time alone? >> one nicole an hour every day for a month and they've asked me to be the assistant manager then i the cave of manager. neil: but when somebody comes in and with a page that is higher than mine i will be in a way it because i am paid north of minimum-wage the you have

doubled of wage so i want more my colleagues want more , where does this go? >> it is inflationary. neil: what do you dope -- do? mimics a viable substitute equipment for people and jobs will be lost. neil: equipment cannot make the bid. >> but we have dug up since that is programmed with 60 recipes you don't have to have all the manpower. >> we are getting ready to put it to attested june june 1st. neil: you have options so you could also lay off workers. >> a little bit of everything you automating and get a bit of people and adjust schedules. with the of tip credit you

don't get that so we pay 3 percent of the of wages of credit-card processing for a tip money but you cannot afford to do that. our labor content is 35% of sales others would come out of business. neil: what you understand so well i was of manageress 17 but here is what i discovered. said customer was king. it was only a few years ago. now with the worker cares more for himself than the customer that makes the job possible. will customers paid more for a value meal? if it comes down to a choice >> without naming the restaurant is discos at $10

and cents we will have to generate $80,000 each per year more to pay for that that is $240,000 or 2.$4 million to offset. neil: butou can offset to lay off. >> and we will substitute people for machines and raise prices. you have to raise prices. neil: county you incentivize workers to feel appreciated because they will protest? >> you will get the people with the greatest attitude to nurture them and develop and encourage them. and we have great people of famous days. >> but what do you say that that the business guys overstayed the cost? they moan about rules and

regulations? could you do what you are about to do now? >> it is a totally different and environment the amount of taxes that they pay are staggering. between $250,000 franchisees' cannot afford that franchise is the best small business model in the overall than they will disappear. they cannot get a return on investment and they will not work just for a salary. neil: congratulations. you will do a good job. >> let's have a bone together. [laughter] neil: when i was a manager he had product. veterans affair controversy set the secretary will not go anywhere they he is very

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timing. but you heard what happened last night and with the primary races idaho if rino is the right term but we will talk about that with raising money but what do you think? >> the divisions are largely exaggerated. most republicans want smaller government with lower taxes with the entrepreneurial system that is sent with the wave of regulation and the threat and by a weak position in the world. are you a part of this camp but they want to win with the timeless principles. that we have to pick up seats but we have to be tempered by the reality to

pick up the presidency in 2016. neil: when you ran for president that your party can grab the defeat from the jaws or to avert -- over, but let's say republicans take the senate who is to say they don't screw it up again? >> to have the strategy your focus don't get caught up with ever select committee that the transcendent issue is does this country have an opportunity to give everybody a shot? if you don't remaking and repair. neil even rick santorum said that you are not going to the great party to appeal only to rich white guys. >> we have to repair the lost and demographics. we have to win them back.

neil: how do you win back the hispanics or women who for some reason? >> what about bread-and-butter issues? >> certain aspects a capture what they say. that is part of the theatrics. we have to stay focused on bread and butter issues job opportunity, job creation comment energy self-sufficiency and balanced budgets. there is something every american will like to. that is my future. i might disagree with one or two things but i want my family and my kids and friends to be a part of that neil: you mentioned some of crazy republican that is how they are viewed that they just fly off the handle. >> then there are crazy democrats.

neil: absolutely. >> clinton raised the bar but it will take leadership. neil: would you do it again? >> i am not looking at 2016. neil: jeb bush? >> a good man. but let's let ideas bring people for word but don't play the name game. neil: that is where the of money crowd goes. we will get into that more. that seems to be the winning strategy. >> that is so fungible in the 2012 races that santorum all the money goes to him. it is fungible following leaders and ideas so let them speak and the money will follow. neil: even herman cain was getting money. >> italy takes you so far

then it has to be ideas. neil: what about the of coke brothers how they are treated by the left? >> go down the street to see what they have done. you can say this or that but a lot of people on their rights or the left have to of -- have given. >> baby they threw $1 billion a way to good causes like the arts and curing cancer. there are targets because you cannot give that that level without being targeted by the democrats or the left. but we have a broken campaign finance system it would die me a bad thing for republicans to say it is wrong and it is broken. the party of the reform minded republican to figure out how to fix this system. every american knows it

isn't working the way it should and there are solutions long-term. neil: as a former ambassador to china you see them into a deals that could be worth hundreds of billions of dollars. they seem toozy up to the european community's. >> what is going on? >> the chinese don't do well but today they do as well as the late '50s of gas and oil play but beyond that a partnership to poke the united states in the eye and the chinese don't mind it too that they would like us see us taken up with ukraine and crimea we take our eye off the ball. >> with the security

encroachment knowing full well you will not get them. >> i would have done what i advocated in a commission report i authored last year running at $300 billion loss per year that is killing our innovation which is the most important thing americans need to understand. not just dollars and cents but the spirit of innovation because they will not run the risk if they know the chinese and others will rip-off. so we have tools we spelled out that ought to be used. blocking importation of goods that contained material or ideas that were ripped off. section 337 the international trade commission can stop these up of border. >> you should not be doing business with chinese entities that are a part of

any aspect of property rights. when companies want to go public they ought to say if they are in any way a part that ought to be listed as a material aspect of any filing that is the attention getter to freeze all its of movement on the part of the government of china to take part which they have been reluctant. 40 years. neil: that makes too much sense. no wonder you were a candidate. thank you very much. i am not blowing smoke. in a whole atmosphere filled with children and temper tantrums the last adult tantrums the last adult standi

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>> when i came into office and i said that we would systematically work to fix these problems, and we have been working really hard to address them. neil: wait a minute. that is not what jay carney said . >> when was the president first made aware of these problems, these fraudulent risks? >> the specific allegations that i think were reported first out of your network in phoenix. we've learned about them through the report. neil: all right. the white house on this whole escalating scandal. it started with benefits not getting paid to veterans. if they were paid, they were paid very late. now it has escalated to patient care read least a couple dozen might have died as a result of that incompetence. crisis manags with us now. for now the president i we do know for now the president is keeping his va secretary. i have seen this playbook befor.

>> is, i think the reality is the president expressing that he was unhappy and outraged about the situation. @-at-sign from anyone who has heard about this feels the same outrage. the what veterans are looking for and policymakers are looking for is a plan forward of reform and holding people accountable and everything that brings together the input about what is going on. the reason this is important issue is because these are real people and these are someone's grandfather's or fathers or brothers or sons and our military heroes that have put their lives on the line. they deserve the best care. neil: that is what is igniting this bipartisan rage. a lot of getting old and they need our help and i think on the right or the left you want to do the right thing. and apparently the right thing isn't happening. but my issue is this rage on the

part of the president. you say you are mad and you are curious, you can't just say so, you really have to act it out, don't you? >> well, if i were advising the president, i would tell him that it's fine to express outrage, but you have to follow that up with a specific plan of action is to be a system across the board is open and there needs to be a real honest and public review of what is broken and when will it be fixed and keeping a person in office who has been there, they have lost all credibility with veterans. why is the president not firing him? >> let's begin with more about this. this is the way it rolls out. i'm annoyed come outrage, i never see this as a finished

investigation though. >> he knew nothing about how the obamacare website wasn't ready. he knew nothing about what was going on in the irs. i think you might just be tired of trying to defend all of the various scandalous their hitting the administration. >> should be good at defending it, because he's deflecting this every quarter. and that is the problem. don't you think that after all of the scandalous, being really angry about something, don't you think he would finally say, okay, i figured out how to up this and i'm going to put someone's butt on the line and they will be be in trouble. >> i know they call him no drama obama, but sometimes you need some drama mantises wakes nothing is going to happen. because it's emblematic of what the president stands for. looking at the va it is a huge bureaucracy. it wasll administrative costs and what this is is a look at

what big government looks like and what that does it has no interest in improving services by keeping people on the line. >> is this not going far? >> this is either going to be realistically barack obama's hurricane katrina moment where the bush administration lossless and they showed the ineptness of government not being able to provide basic essential services. if the president doesn't get serious about eating transparent and putting forward a plan that involves capitol hill and lawmakers and a path for reform and cutting the va and starting over, this will be his hurricane katrina. neil: size, i want to thank you so much. these are not just republican soldiers and veterans these are not just democratic soldiers and veterans. these are guys that are hurting

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neil: welcome back, everyone. presidential candidate john huntsman was telling us that this clearing of the field and a lot of republican primaries this week including tea partiers is continuing. it means now that the money guys have a clear picture where they can put their money. so did that clear the decks a little bit? >> absolutely and he is right on. i liked what he said. and he is just a decent human being. >> he gets that, and he's smart, maybe that's the reason that a lot of people didn't get it in the campaign. i always thought that he was right on and a pretty sharp guy.

yes, the question is going to be the individual so nice. i see that as supporting the canaday and what is going to happen to a lot of the tea party? the money on that site is going to be drying up in bed. so how are they going to get their message out? and are they going to continue to run candidates against establishment candidates. what have we seen this going down? money doesn't always mean that you're going to win a race. when you have not enough money, it is bad. but sometimes you need to blame the message and not the fact about the money. >> i wonder what is this mean, whenever they lack in fervor,

ron paul illustrates. they feel like they've been slighted from the side, i can't picture them, you know, really galvanizing for the grand old party. >> the tea party is important. they are the guys forgot the republican party to come back. and look at what is happening on capitol hill. we are finally looking at a federal government that is shrinking and that is something we have not seen the past 60 years. whene have federal spending would actually decrease and it's still really bad. and this is my point. that we need to move away from people saying that it's never good enough to saying that we are winning, how do we win one. >> i can't imagine that they're

feeling very good and they've been demonized all over the place. these are the guys who reminded the republicans where they came from, what hell did we go through when we ran through the republican administration. he never met a spending bill he didn't like and then you naturally roll into obamacare. neil: do you know where the money is going. so what is the latest? >> i know that a lot of people after these elections, they are concentrating, at least my daughters are, concentrating on having a gop u.s. senate where in 2016 we really don't know. hillary is going to be one heck of a horse to be reckoned with. >> he refused to listen to me. but she will not be the democratic nominee.

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26% of 12th graders today are proficient at math and that would tell me that three quarters are not. it's barely better in reading. but on both levels since the 1970s, these are way down. so why throwing money at this problem has not worked. what is going on here? >> i don't think students are dumb, but i think the federal government gets done all the time. since the 1970s we are spending almost three times today per student. and this is the thing. the numbers show that it's not actually educating our children. this money goes to about 100 different federal education programs. it does about $30 billion a year to the states. we hear all this talk will present obama is guilty of it himself. we need more money because you have to hire more teachers. the fact is that we have more

teachers today for student and we have ever had in the history of this country. neil: so the hiring increase has been far more dramatic than the increase in students? >> yes, that is right. if you look at public education employees, only about half of those folks are actually teachers. i'm not saying that we need more teachers. but what about all the money that is going to administrative folks, many of which are dealing with the burdensome paperwork coming out of washington. what is the money was spent on education itself in giving the state and parents to decide what is the best education for their children because clearly the government doesn't know. >> what about the charter schools? they seem to be graduating students a rocket scientist.

and the more ineffective you are, the less we accomplish and the more money you get and what power you have. once they were spending all this money to make our kids smarter, were not spending money to make a kid smart but to grow a bureaucracy. >> that's all they do is when that money gets spent and it doesn't work, i think you talked about this previously. you need to almost educate the educators a little bit here. when you look at studies, the home life of the kit is very important. outside activity is very important. the most that you can learn is in the classroom in front of the teacher. and you have a lot of great teachers that go unreported and unrecognized out there. >> wanting in this study is the fact that there are gaps between whites and minorities is the

widest it's ever been. so where are the incentives to the great teachers? i think most americans would be happy to pay to see results which we are not seeing. >> in many cases you are running good teachers out of the school system because you're rewarding those who don't do well. and the fact is there are some states, florida is a good example, we've actually seen a lot of innovation from a local school districts trying a lot of different things. in those places you see the achievement gap between white, black, hispanic students, all this greatly shrinking and you see good teachers staying in the system hurts i think the choice is a good thing. most localities and states that have tried it, their students are doing better. everyone is following what the federal government wants.

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and todd writes, do you prefer governors or senators? well, usually governors because they have the executive experience. but we have some impressive senators that have become president, like john kennedy comes to mind. and as much as i love the concept of an outsider coming to the white house, the learning curve is just as deep. that is from philip and philip, you are right about that. and marine writes what you think of financial acres is running for president and chris says the what is wrong with anyone in the u.s. who

thinks they are up to that job and running for a? nothing is at all as long as the person has a lot of money and access to money. sadly it has become the mother's milk of politics. and then it says i don't care what anyone says about this doctor carson guy running for president. the way that i figure it the nation gets down in the dumps and he can issue prescriptions everyone in the country or valium and then we are all flying high and oblivious to the world. well, there is that. and sarah says to know what we're musing and leaders today? human? people who are funny. you are funny, you are very funny. funny how? funny like a clown? [laughter] and the underwrites and no mattw many people say they want an outside candidate, remember herman cain? remember pat paulsen? herman cain was a serious

candidate. a lot of people who have held that office of the comedians without intending to. so you might be onto . kennedy: this va story has me frustrated on a number of levels. i don't know because the problem is festering for over six years or veterans who made it back safely from battle are left to die in a crappy health care system, or the president said he just learned about it on the news! is that true? what are his advisers and cabinet secretaries for? waiting for d.c. pals to tee off, can't he read a paper or something? get a grasp on current events? the president's press conference was wildly underwhelming and long-term allies, a double amputee and