and by the way, if you think about it, minstrels lecturing anyone on capitol hill, hello. hello? ok >> if i am going to help my brain come to fruition i have to feed it quality nutrition. >> the food police are here. >> the epidemic is worse than previously estimated. >> almost 95 percent of all americans will be overweight or obese and two decades. to know what is in our food? you better not eat meat. some say don't eat anything with a face senator so many alternatives.

>> saturated is that it is useful but what if it doesn't? >> everything we have been told is wrong. food fight. that is our show. tonight. john: there is lots to debate about food started with the newest fight solfeggio food to 90 percent of all corn grown is genetically modified that it grew from a seed that science has altered by playing with the genes. it makes it grow faster or less appetizing to bug so it has fewer pesticides. this of says people gmo is not natural and it puts them in danger to sell its and there are campaigns to killed gmo here is the scene

from the movies seeds of death. >> it causes holes in the id gi tract and multiple organ system kill your. >> they take the point of view in this of one pushing business. >> he being genetically modified potatoes growing slower after two were three generations and organ development issues. that might tend to have been to unions. john: wait-and-see? that sounds scary. it is says michael hanson but john from the genetic literacy project says it is scaremongering. but jonathan, and seeds of death? that sounds scary.

>> there is no scientific evidence. >> not that there is any harm. over 18 years since they first came on the market there is not one documented instance of someone even getting a sniffle. there have been 2,000 studies with stories but if we rely on empirical evidence? >>. >> it scares about trivial risks? >> the fact is genetic engineering is different it should require an assessment and they have not been done. >> of course that is wrong because is he implies that these are strong words that somehow we don't have a regulatory system in place. >> back up. this is new?

what you mean is four years we have had genetic modification from crossbreeding? >> these new techniques that allow you to move material between organisms that could not have been before. that is a technology we are talking about. >> that is more precise. >> is in the sense but the big problem is you have no control where you insertue.í that information. a can have different effects depending on the location. >> that is a misrepresentation. >> you like popular food how is that created? in the laboratory subjected

to radiation and chemicals. that is organic. john: one mutation is what we liked his to make thousands over years of laboratory study now called organic can be reduced to just one test in the laboratory evaluated, we know the european commission said it is safer than conventional. >> the grapefruit was texas ruby red came from your radiation all that does is create more variability for what happens naturally. that is what those technologies do. the cut and paste technology >> if you go into the web site you see it is clearly

the scaremongering. they show a picture of the needle going into a fruit. >>. >> one of the ways you transformed is micro injection. >> that is a scare pitcher you can find it all on the internet. john: i give them credit. their protest is more reasonable than the one that got ddt beyond the two deaths from malaria also ban the drug war is ellen's to lock people up forgiving cancer patients marijuana. you are more reasonable because most gmo don't want the boehner and just food labels to say if they contain gmo or not and celebrities are eager to point out other places require that. >> move to europe toward

japan or china or india or a lot of countries where people have the right to space make he might decide not to buy a food that does not have gmo. >> other companies would lose a lot of money. john: you are just about money? >> this is about the right to know. real information. usda and others have said gmo is the same in terms of nutritional content. john: then why not label it? >> just to have something just gmo does not say anything other than skull and crossbones. michael wants to scare people to end the biotechnology revolution. john: that is not fair. >> did is just a label. >> they required the labeling for fats and sugars and saturated fats.

john: thank you. please stick around someone else wants to tell us we are wrong. we are not upset about chemicals. but first i will make more enemies by pointing out sometimes i knock people's fear of chemicals. if he were about dihydric gin monoxide and older list and tasteless chemical many died after inhaling it. and also will rust metal and has been found in tumors and terminal cancer patients. it sounds nasty. die hydrogen monoxide? h20. water. >> i went to times square to fool people to be and water. >> it is sen acid raid will you sign this petition we're trying to be anti-hydrogen

monoxide. >> that is crazy i never knew that. '70s the ballplayers' signed also. >> almost everyone. >> odorless, tasteless. >> i would tracheal because utah chemistry? die hydrogen monoxide? >> water. >> water. >> water. >> too much kills people? >> do not van waters. >> liz reitzig is upset about the chemicals in food and writes articles like symphony of the sale. raw milk. you just want to buy organic food? >> absolutely it is a win-win win situation. john: organic chemistry is filled with chemicals?

>> one is the definition the usda has that they owned the term the of farmers have to go to the certification process. the other is more loosely and what i mean is farming practices where the soil is restored and revitalized with no pesticides. john: what is wrong with that? >> first of all, there is 30 pages of usda regulations. john: this is my horn when you get the band of reid. >> if they use pesticides as much but they are natural. :to the internet. bacteria and hysteria are natural. >> i agree that natural does not always mean less harmful there is poisonous mushrooms

and bacteria there is definitely good bacteria but that is the point of organic farming. when i say organic i mean beyond the certification process that they looked at their soil to see what is going on. john: estimate there has been studies the yet there is no value. john: we are losing the debates of. >> most people agree with her. >> you know what organic food is? >> yes. good to eat than healthy for use to make it feels better and healthier i can feel less and guilty about buying it. >> why? >> for the guarantees to make you have one but the base. >> good. we have seen there is a very fast-growing segment of agriculture. john: why is it good as there is more expensive?

>> but did you get a of a $2 packet of seeds that is a lot cheaper. >> it is imported from china and very cheap under test american market. >> the biggest part? really? >> it is dangerously polluted. >> there is a lot of certified organics to go directed to your former. >> my evil because i it meant i do what he does? >> deletes organic food? >> no. it is overpriced. >> grocers use that to increase prices. my wife is into organic bananas sometimes a change of labels employed on to the regular bananas.

she does not know the difference. >> the lot of people that are recognized of pay difference to get it direct. >> there is no taste or freshness difference that has to do how it is grown by the individual person or former. that is an argument they have been using to bomb but prices to justify extorting money from menacing consumers. >> there are some people don't recognize but the vast majority do. not an issue of canned or frozen. john: of love to have the blind taste test. we will not settle this year but to keep the conversation going go to #"food fight." let people know we think. some people say don't teach anything with a face also how michelle obama is wrong

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deposits could build up in your arteries to increase your risk of heart disease. saturated fat can do this then imagine what it does to your ears? john: a public service announcement from the british government for the past 50 years they have told us don't eat this. bacon, cheese, butter, it tastes great but when i was a kid my mom watch commercials like this. >> a great change in eating habits is taking place in homes all over america using corn oil and margarine. >> if you are concerned about too much saturated fat remember the best cutting down in the die is the corn oil and margarine. john: most people switched but this research shows we were misled it may be just fine says this article in

the wall street journal entitled the question will link between saturated fat and heart disease. you just published a new book called the big fat surprise? >> says saturated fats it turns out it is not bad for your health. the a.d. it has been the main dietary culprit but the evidence is never a strong. john: how was it sold to us for all these years have not? them and basically it became institutionalized before it was tested. it came from researcher in the face of a heart disease epidemic. one proposed saturated fat then got the idea implanted into the american heart association and the guidelines came out in 19 --

in 1961 but it was never tested and there were problems and researchers have looked at the evidence and found the evidence was never strong. john: this is horrible because they can is good and things taste better. >> these foods are delicious but we believe literally the fat in the bacon would become a fad than our body is? [laughter] it seems so much common sense how could that not be true? but the evidence of saturated fat and heart disease is dissolved. john: too big steadies said we cannot show this is bad. >> to groups looked at the entire history of all evidence and concluded it liz stouros to eat

carbohydrates man meet butter cheese dairy eggs. john: and american switched to carbohydrate. >> we one dash e25% more than the '70s and we switched from a meet based a dinner to having process, a grain than we have gone too far. john: we contacted the heart association leased them by the guidelines that they could for your car are polyunsaturated may help its seven the yes it is awkward for them to say they were wrong for all these years. that is not a message. institutions are the opposite of good science. science needs to be self questioning, the bow and doubting himself is hard to stay on top of science so

stay away from saturated fat. >> the'' bottom 60 percent is supposed to be bred, pastor of, whole grains so we shifted too far in that direction. john: i haven't during cold milk over 20 years. >> as saturated fat is good for house. go ahead. john: i hope you are right nina teicholz. >> katie couric was the government to force us to eat better still make the epidemic is much worse not only is it filled with a saturated fat but made from pay exists.

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. >> making >> making a difference is really easy. john: how? a thing with the face. some go further to say they cut out acheson and dairy products and honey because it comes from not be used. there begins. >> there are some innate begin alternatives to cheese are milk or ice cream or butter or whenever it is is, he. john: that is. [booing] and she definitely is one but rob wonders why? eats plenty of meat and he looks healthy the author of the pale leo solution and says he did it just needs to eat healthy.

>> i think eating meat is unnecessary. >> i find it ironic that of begin try to put the non the guinness sources into a meat so that we want them meet based product. >> i don't eat meat. i haven't made as stake ever i don't think. >> so is jennifer lopez he said i recommended begin by it because you wake up and feel great natalie portman and ellen the generous and al gore in this commercial was four p dash. >> i feel great if you eat meat it is full it is acidic , full of fat and clogs up the arteries. john: yap.

you push a lot of meat. >> if you look at the literature the predominant is tubers annette's fancies about 60 percent should come from fruits and vegetables. john: the french begins face trial after the death of the baby said only on breast milk from a fee get mom. clearly it is not enough for everyone to live. >> i disagree there wrestle alleged evidence of the vegan diet and in this particular case they were fed soy milk is replacement of the art breast milk and apple juice so was not the right diet. john: news said this is healthy but it is begin certified? >> i don't eat that. >> does not mean healthy. >> that is why i advocate for the whole food plant

based diet. this is what we agree on to get back to eating whole foods better nutrient dense. >> lusby american heart association endorsed this is not a healthy diet even though it is begin. john: more are eating more processed food doing more of what each of you say. >> and we are living longer. >> we will spend 300% of gdp on many geing diabetes and obesity. john: they get fat? >> they are all processed foods they give that the you are healthier and happier? >> absolutely. john: i am happy eating junk food. >> but we may have ushered

her high but eating foods and the we just have to reduce the process through. >> we probably both disagree on that. [laughter] john: don't eat anything with the face? this doesn't. >> it did. but there was a face involved probably the way people still eat meat didn't know what happened to get to that point. john: i don't see it. katie couric snood movie about evil sugar. your brain and lights up. you will become one of the great public health epidemics of our time.

>> i am 12 years old.

>> we are blaming willpower and it is a crime. >> of 95 percent of americans will be overweight or obese in in two decades. >> we are toast as a country because we are too fat? john: it is not the fault according to the new movie called fed up because companies need sugar into our food. >> there are 600,000 food items 80 percent have added sugar your brain lights up dislike of cocaine or heroin spinach you have a great public health at the democrats of summertime senate the former fda commissioner has his own battles with that and he is eager to ban things for you and if this government's job to protect help -- public health, ?

keeping food legal, . >> less and less in recent times we have any event in new york city. >> and smallpox did with there is supposed to do next they will tell us when to sleep. john: i called them a the totalitarian left katie couric says salt 95 percent of americans will be overweight or obese within two decades. >> only 95 percent? i don't know where the science come from i am pretty sure it is not a scientist. >> one part of her movie we both could agree with. >> the sugar is -- industry is extraordinarily powerful they are here to make money.

john: what a shock to mainstream news people. >> you have newspaper people , members of the public health community but somehow when it is a food company in happens to be big it becomes a terrible. >> they are powerful that they keep their subsidies. >> right. that is a huge problem that this movie fed up deciding get to and tell the of one hour at 90 minutes. john: and the subsidies? just give money touche trigger company is so they can come back bill with that high fructose corn syrup we actually are giving it to the farmers to produce and then punish the consumers surveyed even if the kids still love to eat healthy food america will give it to

them anyway. >> no child wants to brush their teeth or go to a doctor for shots. but we make them do these things anyway because it is the norm for keeping is said and i will have to help get hot -- get tyson for fresh and healthy food. >> then we got the health the hungry free kids act. how was that working out? >> like the hunger games for school to create mountains of food ways to. kids so much to eat the food , it is wasting one said way to put your still is up

its courage they got principles for permission to make issa video. >> ♪ ♪ john: it has over one leo heads on you to buy 1 million children are dropped out of the school lunch plan because of the new standards even the liberal media is taken aback when michelle obama appeared on the jimmy fallin show in had to take some he. >> instead of potato chips is cale chips. gross.

in fact, that i brought some with me. you should try one. >> yes. >> the truth is that kids are throwing food out. all i have is halsey's trash paeans estimates there are mountains of food waste this song for free school act is treating hungry your kids. john: so mr. food freedom what is jerry answer? director right to grows cut each the food of your choosing. get that government out of subsidizing and let people make their own decisions. john: some will make and healthy decisions to make they do anyway and there is lower-cost when we make our own choices. thank you baylen linnekin. is it smart to heaped with cooley

. >>you >> when to meet your ears. >> dell go anywhere by eating local your food is

always green. john: the latest trend if you buy food that doesn't have to travel far it is better for the environment, it tastes better, and supports local merchants is a good jury locally? >> yes support small business. >> pressure maurer vitamins and nutrients. you encourage of local jobs. >> if you eat with only what is a 100 miles is cool. >> the benefits seem logical that must be greener because it does not travel as far better author pierre desrochers says we have the wrong. e to globally? >> not so long ago we used to consume mostly local food than the steamships and railroads came along and naturally they migrated to where they were better

suited. instead of paying a lot for cucumbers sin new york city know they were more plentiful and available and in the end it year by the cares about the nutrients not where the food comes from. john: but they are depleted when it is driven from florida. >> not at all. water conservation and technology shows a soon as items are coming out of the food is there frozen right away. >> what about fresh? to make just because you buy it at the farmers' market on the saturday does not mean it was not picked on tuesday important to the refrigerator but we can truck efficiently while dewey import apples from south africa or new zealand because they are in season.

day putting on a container shipping and arrived two weeks later they are fresher with less lost to spoilage actually new zealand apples are better than new york city apples. john: the giant farm is mardi efficient than a local farmer? >> you can use and put more efficiently and his more difficult to run a tractor on the rooftop in new york city and with those crops that grow larger quantities then of course, is bigger is better. john: but now they talk about food miles the distance from a food -- farm to fork with the of 100 myall dialect -- tie it. >> in the end you cannot defy nature.

it is still one 20th of the footprint. few want to grow things in the area to bring irrigation water or more fungicides and pesticides growing them for where it has traveled. >> it is much more energy intensive. >> 20 times more on average. >> it saves local jobs? >> the problem is if you pay more for your food then you have less money to spend on other things. if you keep farmers in business to pay twice as much then there is less movies to buy it -- money to buy the things and to pay for more you destroy more than to create. john: thank you. coming up. i will give away money to do

too high school students because i like what they wrote they won though winning essay of stossel in the classroom essay contest.

. >> right now, there are senate right now 23.5 million americans on 655 million children who live in a food desert. john: kids from poor neighborhoods get fat because there is little healthy food year their home

there are a lot of fast food joints but supermarket selling fresh fruits and vegetables. >> we're setting people up for failure if we don't fix this with an investment of $400 million per year. john: modest initial investment? $400 million? to government that is modest than they say these germany to use support private sector financing of healthy food options taxpayer bribes to supermarket chains like 68 per she stores to underserved communities. food desserts is an article and still it is even after she got your millions the new york times and reported studies showed that they had nearly twice as many fast-food restaurants but

they also had nearly twice as many supermarkets and large-scale grocers so do they get their money back? no. they never stop. the government will spend more this year to finance food options. it is so stupid i would despair for our future if not for my periodic exposure to young people who get it and are much wiser than the political elites. stossel in the classroom offer school teachers and videos the introduce students to economics we were inviting them to right on the topics who decides what you eat? many watched the show that i did that included interviews with people like the state legislature who wants government to be and salty foods. >> we tried to give you the

option for better choices. john: more choice? you are banding thanksgiving us less choice. >> you are absolutely right. it is not good for the consumer. john: you are able lee. >> after watching that discussing topics covered 7,000 students entered essays and the winners were smart. >> the congress shall have the power to regulate the mixing serving labeling and consumption of food did his secretary forget to put this into the constitution? >> the student who submitted that and say this 16 year-old caroline clauson from ohio it wins $1,000 plus a trip to new york so she could watch the show since of a so depress learning we all have to pay for michelle obama food scheme a wanted to cheer

myself up talking to someone smart to. >> thank you. john: to you as amazed? to make it seems like they're confused about what are the problems they need to fix in what we need to fix and personal problems. john: sodium think we have enough food information? >> an hour generation with the young people if we want to know something or how to lose weight we google it or looked upon the internet. if they don't then they may pay for the cost of consequences that they value the taste of the healthy food and that is okay. john: the private sector promises economic prosperity make guarantees crunching and flat belly? >> it was not desired to reach utopia.

>> it is true maybe if the government said we could only eat healthy foods may be the country would be healthier and we would be skinny but that is not freedom. some people would rather eat a healthy food dan be skinny. that is their choice and it should be. john: thank you caroline clauson now our first place winner is even younger, a 15 year-old madeline peltzer she is home schooling and she entitled that so made that the title loved the show tonight. congratulations. food information? where you get it is not from government christine ago to the public library llord google there are plenty of resources. john: you are holding this

book? >> they go around america looking and restaurants to compare the good and bad choices. like mcdonald's. they show on this side they had eaten this first is the grilled chicken club sandwich but it shows healthy tips because using chicken is better than beef but it is not? >> it is out there. the market response about government telling them what to do in some restaurants change behavior. >> olive garden a and armed red lobster actually had got rid of the high calorie high fat high sugar items and responded to the market demanding the change. john: thank you. and all he students in teachers from stossel in the

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