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attacked the consulate in benghazi. >> one of those named a leading militia figure in benghazi, ahmed abu khattala. fox news met with khattala for an extended interview and admitted to being at the consulate and showed no remorse for killing of stevens and others. >> rear admiral john kerr by scoffed at reports that khattala hadn't been hiding at all since he was identified as a suspect. >> there's the presumption in the question is that you know, he was going to mcdonald's for milk shakes every friday night and we could have picked him up in a taxicab. >> he's right. there are no indications he was at mcdonald's but lots of evidence he was in no fear of the u.s. government or libyan interim government and was living a life of public leisure. greg was the first of many

american journalists who accessed khattala in ben gaze zi. the times met the accused terrorist in a hotel lobby where he was comfortably sipping on a strawberry frappe and mocking the u.s. government. cnn caught up with khattala in a local benghazi coffee shop last year where he claimed that neither the united states or libyan government had even tried to contact him. the associate press interviewed him by telephone a week later. why did it take nearly two years to capture a man man who by all accounts has been accessible to the media since shortly after benghazi terrorist attack. we'll take that up with robert scales, also tonight the first -- irs claiming that lois lerner's e-mails have been lost, now we found out they withheld

that information since february and this scandal gets worse and worse or better and better depending on your perspective. leading attorneys will sort it out for us tonight. iraqi forces repelled a day long attack less than 40 miles from baghdad. for more on the situation in iraq and the capture of a suspected benghazi terrorist, retired major general robert scales now fox news military analyst, general, good to have you with us? >> hi, lou. >> your reaction to the importance of finding khattala and bringing him into custody first? >> absolutely critical. as long as the u.s. government holds off reading him his miranda rights and is able to exploit his intelligence. remember in peace time you put people on trial and war time you exploit their intelligence. he is the critical link between

catching him and catching the other four or five or six terrorists who did this terrible deed. so i hope that the navy does a couple of circuits over the atlantic before he shows up in our judicial system and lawyers up, lou. >> admiral kirby making light of reports that khattala was hiding in full clear view. but the fact is that all of these news organizations and including our own, walking right up to the man. it is -- it is preposterous to suggest that he was -- >> absolutely not. i asked several of my several forces friends about this and i said, how tough of an operational mission is this? they said actually it's easier than many of those we do. why have you waited so long?

frankly, we're just waiting for the go ahead from the national command authority to get this done and of course doing all of the other lengthy preparations that a tier one team will do. the actual snatch went off without a hitch. >> and it is great that they apprehended this terrorist. it is even greater that they would be planning to get the rest of them. it would have been even greater had they done it in a rather -- if they could have beaten the news media to it. >> right. >> let's turn to iraq tonight. we know that the isil is 40 miles from baghdad. we see signs that the shia have managed to slow the advance on the isil forces. what is your judgment about the situation right now in iraq? how critical, how near would you say it is to a real crisis that

would result in the overthrow of baghdad? >> well, first of all, there's a military phrase we use called culminating point. all the folks i talk to say isis is reaching the culminating point. this is the point at which an advance can no longer proceed because the defense stiffens against them. it's a natural point that you can generally predict ahead of time. and frankly what isis is trying to do now is consolidate in the cities, to establish a government. they are in no hurry to go to baghdad and defenses are stiffening. what we see is a radical shake-up in the iraqi army. maliki out of fear i guess is bringing in some of the leaders that he's cast off in future. they are trying to create cohesive units by mixing army units with militia. for the most at least, baghdad may not be safe but it's not under direct assault by the

enemy. >> and this one would assume have a commence rat reduction on president obama to take action. there are hawks, as you know, particularly in the nation's capitol, calling on this president to move expeditiously, to step up, some calling for boots on the ground. in some cases it's as if some -- and i will use this word, this expression -- some are looking for a do-over in iraq. what is -- is there any suggestion that we would see a different outcome if again the united states were to commit itself to force in iraq? >> no. what we've learned in syria, lou, is that bombs do not make a difference in a sectarian civil war. this is a conflict of hatred between sunni and shia. and the main purpose of military forces in iraq right now as i understand it is to evacuate americans if the green zone and

city is ever threatened. there may be some drone overflights, we'll try to share intelligence with the iraqis. we may put special forces, trainers on ground, but they will be prohibited from engaging in close combat. at this stage, all we can do, lou, is set back and let the iraqis fight this out. >> sunni and shia. >> you've got it. >> appreciate it, general, thanks. >> thank you. >> if you think the irs claims that it irretrieveably lost lois lerner's e-mails is hard to believe, it gets worse. the irs is now admitting it can't find e-mails that belong to six other employees who are allegedly involved in the targeting of conservative and tea party groups and donors. among those irs workers, the former chief of staff, the former acting commissioner, steven miller. and irs technician say they first realized lerner's e-mails

were lost not over the past week, but in february or march, months before they informed congressional investigators last friday. the current irs commissioner, is scheduled to testify before congress on this very matter this very friday. and a new report that the phoenix facility at the heart of the veterans affairs scandal actually paid out $10 million in bonuses over the past three years. to trigger those bonuses, of course, workers allegedly covered up lengthy wait times that put patients on secret wait lists. we're coming right back. ck. >> why aren't we hearing about the cause of this flood of children who are being exploilted for political purposes at our border? we'll talk to former democratic congressman dennis kucinich about it all.

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been, real border security, necessary before any reform. i will not let sloppy journalists characterize my position as amnesty, it is simply untrue. outraged he must have been. we still don't know precisely how he feels about it all. fox news contributor dennis kucinich joins us. let me first turn to what is happening in iraq. it looks as though we're about to watch this country go into a death spiral. your thoughts on what u.s. policy should be? >> stay out. period. i mean we've created such a mess in iraq. you've got to go right back to the decision by george bush to invade iraq, that was based on lies and you look at where we are right now. it's cost america trillions of dollars. there's thousands of soldiers dead and injured and million iraqis deaths as a result of the war. all we can do is make it worse.

we have already proven that interventionism ends up being a disaster for the people around the world and for the people in this country and we can't solve all of the problems of the world. >> and one of the problems we can't seem to solve is the issue of our own sovereignty, congressman at our southern border as you know. 90 to 150,000 children are expected to be there by the end of this year. 60,000 now unaccompanied children brought there, 1800 miles to our border from central american countries through the heart of mexico. and this president is acting as though he declares it a humanitarian crisis but refuses to acknowledge he's the one who created it. your thoughts? >> well, i've looked at a report by the united states conference of catholic bishops and they say that the sharp spike in children coming from honduras, guatemala,

elle salvador through mexico to the border to cross into the united states is the result of tremendous amounts of violence in those countries and cities and states and also the fact that they are trying to reunite with some of their family members. i mean, this is a humanitarian crisis. the larger immigration issue -- >> wait, may i, congressman. >> of course. >> turning to the catholic bishops, the fact is that the high commission on refugees has taken a look at the very same evidence and decided that he in that high commission can bring no action because it doesn't rise to that level. if that violence does exist -- this is moved into the phase of propaganda. these are idealogical views that are clashing here and clashing hard up against the truth. we are watching the u.s. government facilitate in cooperation with central american government and government of mexico the transport by mules by drug cartels and human smugglers.

the movement of children unaccompanied, 1800 miles and you're telling me the best the united states is to come up with this declaration humanitarian crisis and we would not urgently ship aid directly to those countries now? >> well, you know, you put your finger on a problem. and that is that we've got to look at those countries and see what we can do to -- >> they are our neighbors. >> you don't have the children fleeing to -- >> they are not exploited for political purposes, don't you agree? >> most children are not aware of the politics that are involved. >> i'm not saying they are. i'm saying to you point blank this president, his administration and activist groups are purposely exploiting them politically as strongly as they possibly can and they think they are going to get away with it. by the way, they are about to convince me they may. >> when you talk about children

it changes the picture. i don't think anybody gets away with anything here. you have 90,000, maybe more children who have crossed over. they are going to need legal assistance, we need to make sure that they are not mistreated -- >> they traveled 1800 miles to be mistreated by u.s. border patrol customs and law enforcement, is that what i just heard you say? >> no -- >> they fled those countries. >> not at all. >> fearful for their lives -- >> we have to make sure -- >> we don't have to make sure. i trust our law enforcement officers and this country and its good spirits -- >> i don't argue with you on that. >> i don't know what you're talking about. >> you've got to look at the situation as it is, you have these children here. >> look at it with clear eyes and who is trying to exploit the children and for what purposes. >> you might be right. do i know they are beingly thatg

exploited by a certain group? no, i don't know that. but i do know that they've arrived in this country and we have to deal with this as it is. it doesn't mean that -- >> no -- >> we're going to be happy about the fact that we have all of these children coming into our country and you know, with god knows -- >> been relegated in this country to simply helpless fools who will be fools as our -- our friends to the south insist, then that will be. >> dennis, we're in real trouble in time. fascinating discussion. we'll take it up in the weeks ahead. i appreciate it. >> thanks, lou. >> up next, my commentary on why the obama government must answer first the fundamental question, why is this time different? as hawks urge president obama to go to war once again in iraq. that, my friends, is everything.

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turning to the news of the day, i often wonder what the families of the almost 50,000 troops and more than 32,000 of our severely wounded in the iraq

war are thinking these days and feeling as they listen to the hawks of both political parties dominate the debate at least at this point about what to do next in iraq. 11 years after the invasion of iraq, a lot of people who i believe should be chastenned by the loss of lives and limbs and treasure, who should have learned from both wars in afghanistan and iraq, who are now banging war drums like it's 2003 all over again. the bush appointee for a time resumed iraq, paul bremmer is calling for american boots on the ground in iraq. senator lindsey graham is calling for air strikes and american backed reorganization of iraq's government. the second ranking house democrat, congressman steny hoyer says the president should be considering missile strikes in iraq. former deputy secretary of

defense paul wolfowitz calling for president obama to take military action. yes, this is the same paul wolfowitz who in 2003 when asked what the iraq war would cost told congress not to worry, that iraq would be be able to finance its own reconstruction because of its vast oil wealth. a war that ultimately cost $2.2 trillion. a sum that is singularly america's debt and our obligation. it should distress any american that so many of our politicians and journalists are so free and fast with their calls for military action again in iraq. while offering no answers as to why they would expect a different outcome this time. why would we again take up iraq, al qaeda as our national burden solely without a clear line drawn between our sacrifice and

cost and our interest and our compensation. yes, our compensation. no answers by the president or those who would cheer his intervention without strategy to the fundamental question, why should the united states assume the duty and cost and blood and money that should at the very least be shared with europe? president obama at this point has not been strong enough to leave this nation to foreign policy and military victories. let's pray he is strong enough to insist on a far more rigorous rationalization of any u.s. return to iraq. and let's pray that americans insist this time on a clear statement of national purpose before taking any military action in iraq. and if we are to return, let's insist that we first define victory and commit ourselves to achieving it. we're coming right back.

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boardi boarding. >> what is the purpose of it all? >> i imagine he's being interviewed by military personnel. miranda doesn't play a role here in the sense there are exceptions which are afforded in this situation, it's a public safety exception, i don't think that's the issue. if you look at the convictions we've had against terrorists, you look at the trials and miranda never really been an issue. >> the only problem with that argument, i agree for most part, not charged at least in the complaint, not a formal indictment, it's a complaint, as a terrorist. pretty much charged with aiding and abetting and not a terrorist. i think that will change in coming days with an indictment. but i agree that miranda -- even if he is not mir andized, do they really need the information he's going to give? >> the distinction being, whatever he is mirandized could

be used against him at this trial, and anything he says can be used against -- >> in other trials. >> he might rat out. >> that's my point, whether he's miran dized or not, it will be used in other people's trial and evidence against him is so strong they don't need to quote/unquote concession from him. >> why in the world isn't he going -- why isn't he considered an enemy combatant? why isn't he on his way to guantanamo instead of the united states? >> well, there have been issues with the federal courts versus the military tribunals in guantanamo. you've seen the doj had them tried in federal courts. the issue here is that the federal courts received more convictions than the military tribunals have and there's an issue of appeal. this is an issue that's being guided whether or not he will have an opportunity to --

>> and partisan issue, what i i didn't mean to imply and say, he's a terrorist for crying out loud. >> because the fbi is involved. that is the reason -- you asked a legal question -- >> and getting the legal answer. >> you asked the question, you get the legal answer but that's why. he was caught -- fbi investigation, that's a civilian trial in d.c. >> over 600 days for crying out loud. as we reported. nearly -- our news organization, so many others, found him within just about a month. why in the world are we to believe that this -- that this is a reasonable role for the fbi when you're involved in combat against terrorists, why in the world was he allowed in your judgment to float free in

benghazi, in tripoli and other places during this time? >> he gave interviews as you recall to the media, where he said -- he claimed he was not involved. he just came there after the fact. but the fact -- >> he said he was actually directing traffic. >> yes, very admiring the guys who were part of all this. >> the issue is going to be evidence gathering. that's what they were doing. >> evidence gathering? >>ener going to say we were trying to get other people and took that amount of time. >> just a coincidence we're seeing this unfold right in the middle of hillary clinton's book tour, is that right? >> you know, you are just the most skeptical cynical person really. >> leave that for the lawyers. thank you both. >> thank you very much. >> protests across the country against common core educational standards. teachers union

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sounded like, but the way it has been moved, implemented, has created problems of its own. and the states are rebelling here, aren't they? >> so, common core done right is a good idea. meaning that we have to actually move public school systems to be from no child left behind, which was base -- >> was that a good idea? >> yes and no. with no child left behind, having title one and the funding so that we do what other countries do which is give more funding to kids who are poor, that's what lbj tried to do with the war on poverty and title i. george bush said i'm frustrated, let's make sure that kids actually, we know what kids are doing. the piece of no child left

behind that was good was we shine a light on what's going on. but what then happened was the testing system became about mem orization and filling in -- >> which is the way most americans up until the 20th century were being taught. >> exactly. >> it wasn't a bad result. >> no, but the difference is this, you can't get a middle class job in america if you don't know how to apply knowledge these days. >> we've got 20 million people unemployed who i think have an outstanding folks, can read, got for most part high school degrees at the very least and who can't find a job because that job doesn't exist. >> that my friend, is a whole other problem. >> it goes together because we hear so much ideologues and i'm talking about on both sides, start talking about training. that's one of the horror stories of modern politics is to hear people talk about training for

jobs. jobs a that don't exist, jobs b that none of the so-called sa vants will be created and what and how will we teach people. the great equalizer and i know you must, is public education. >> absolutely. this is what we need to do. i kind of take a step back because the polarization of this debate gives me headaches every day. because you know, because it's like, we -- i think we have to do three things for kids. i think we have to help kids develop relationships and develop trust and develop relationships with each other and with adults. number two, we have to actually help kids know how to apply knowledge. not just read but be able to take it and take and problem solve. and number three, i think this is actually the most important, you have to help kids learn persistence and resilience yens because we all trip and fall.

we've had bad things happen to us. and the people that are able to navigate their lives are the people that are added and have the support to be, to have that grit and resilience. that's what i think -- >> i don't think many people would argue with that. there are a couple of arguments that arise from common core. who decided what everybody is going to be teaching and why was it done with the full knowledge and participation of our public, our citizenry? >> i think you're right. >> my number two, you've got three. very quickly. i -- we're a nation which we truly believe even if we don't always practice it in public education and that is local control of public education. >> right. >> it's been proved to work. it is been turned upsidedown by in my opinion an emphasis on the federal department of education and federal initiative. and thirdly in this instance,

with common core, why in the world couldn't we bring people together rather than money to drive an agenda and program into our public schools, why not have a full-on partnership between local education, state education and my god, we could even throw in the parents. how about is that? >> what a concept. have parents who are closest to kids. i don't agree with any of that. i think what's happened is that there was this rush. look, you have it with president obama and you have had with governors. they pro claim -- >> you know i don't have a favorite among those two in terms of public education. >> you know what i'm saying, they proclaim as opposed to rolling up sleeves and get the work done. there's a lot of -- what i would do is actually say, take these standards, see if they work. don't start testing kids on them or holding teacher s

consequentially for them until we make parents comfortable and kids comfortable with them and give the teachers the abeility o teach it. >> how about a do over? why don't we have the federal department of education, the fda and state departments come together and start talking seriously about what would be a common core, that is a core curriculum that was their design with values and allow the individual discretionary differentations to exist with a full participation of parents and community. >> hall lielujah. >> we would like to have you back to continue the conversation. >> that would be great. >> appreciate it. randi weingarten. the true story of how a young woman, broke, turned her

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ukrainian gipcy and taught me that plants could heal anything. i studied herbal medicine. when he was in this desperate moment i asked god what i could do to provide for my son and pay for operations and literally saw a gypsy tea party which took my heritage and tea together and threw my first one and almost 300 people came and the products were a hit. >> that's extraordinary. you talk about social responsibility and sustainability. >> uh-huh. >> profit is a big word and an important factor. you've been able to drive profits and talk about the values that are yours. where do you go from here? >> well, being socially responsible say must in the 21st century. entrepreneurs are i believe the ones who will rebuild the world. i think business can fix anything where government can't.

>> that's why you're here. we love small business, in particular we love the people who create jobs and create products. >> definitely. >> and bring energy. the small business people, in addition to everything else, are paying most of the taxes. >> absolutely. >> big business, they manage i wouldn't say -- >> get out of them. >> and jobs are being created by folks like you. >> absolutely and women are starting more businesses in this country. and i love the idea that if you can't find a job and you're unemployable, the 20 million americans right now, start a business. >> and it's really very sad. not everybody has that spark, that imagination or the drive to create a business. but it is -- i agree with you. if you can't find work, find a way forward. >> absolutely. in this country, i was a college dropout, $6 to my name and started a business and now the

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we have a big allotrope of carbon to talk with you about, a rare and i do mean rare, nearly 123 carat blue diamond has been discovered in south africa and could go for upwards, we're told, tens of millions of dollars. to tell us exactly how much in her opinion, is diamond expert, forever mark. >> this diamond, how much is that son of a gun worth? >> it's truly an amazing moment in history. this sort of thing is next to impossible to find. and the value ultimately is going to be determined by how vivid the color is. already a blue diamond is considerably rare. red being the rarest. but that's really going to determine -- then of course the final weight, the yield of the weight. >> the yield is the weight and i'm thinking, do you split it up? do you leave it right where it

is? what do you do with it? >> a diamond cutter certainly has his or her work cut out for him with this sort of thing. it's going to be about maintaining the vivid color of it and the larger the diamond, the more value it will hold. these moments are really important because they provide a halo factor over the whole industry. in terms of a blue diamond driving the price per karat. >> garnering a lot of attention, particularly with so many buyers interested. and you were kind enough to bring along some gigantic stones. i hear before us -- take a look at this. give us an idea of how healthy this market is right now, is investment as within the retail? >> it's truly a very, very exciting time for the diamond industry for many reasons. innovation is one of them. one of the big trends we're seeing having pulled thousands of americans about this, diamond

acquisition is really changing. there's a strong demand for diamond brands such as the forever mark. >> let's take a look. let me just -- let me take at look at something modest, here, if i may. this little thing, looks like something my wife might like. how much would that be? >> that's probably about a million dollars. >> my goodness. >> really the color and clarity are so fantastic -- >> i can't tell you how much i regret -- picking that one out. >> we have really wonderful styles here that are all represent the different trends we're seeing across america as being popular. of course, round brilliant being the most popular but very exciting we are seeing fancy shapes, emerald cut such as this one right here is one of the fancy shapes we're seeing pear shapes and marquis. americans are embracing personalized ways of expressing their love to one another. >> and the problem is finding i would think a stone for -- you

want everyone buying one of your diamonds, the size and cost and whatever. that's an incredible decision, each one of these is so beautiful. i have to tell you personally, i find the smaller ones so much more attractive than my wife would. >> the average carat spend on a diamond engagement ring is about 1 to 2 carats and there is that flexibility. it is a wonderful story of beauty and rarity, less than 1% are qualified to be a forever mark diamond. there are a lot of choices. >> and pear shape, i mean, that takes a lot of work and skill. >> it's an art. it's truly an art. >> this one, which is -- looks gigantic again. easier for me. >> it's a round brilliant. it's a little less than the million figures, that's what you -- >> thank you appreciate it.

the forever mark. good to have you here. >> thank you. >> time for a few of your comments, receive one of the first copies of my new book, "border war", co-written with jim born and you need this book to understand what's going on in the world even though it's totally fiction. last night we asked if america should back a shia leader sha will ultimately line himself with iran. tweeted, absolutely not but we know how soft the administration is on iran so it will likely happen. bill tweeted this, a no one situation, religious war, back al qaeda or back iran, no thanks. and richard in tennessee, e-mailed his definition of the obama doctrine, are you ready. if you don't want to do something, wait until it is too late to do anything. if you know you won't get permission, don't ask for it. the obama doctrine. keep your comments coming and

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