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i'm telling you, that tells you all you need to been how scary the middle east is looking. how quickly iraq is disintegrating and how alliances are shifting. that to me, is bad news, and these guys that want to take iraq must be bad news because the baddest asses on the planet are saying these guys scare us. to fox news military contributor retired navy captain, i defer to you for expertise on the air, these must be a very, very scary group of terrorists if terrorists who know a thing or two about terrorists are terrorized by them? >> yeah, and got a long history of that, neil. these guys, there is no one group that pops up and becomes all powerful. they normally coalesce around leadership and you bring in all the crazies. what they've done is distilled out any of the moderate crazies and what you've got are the whack jobs. neil: who are they, captain?
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when i hear iran is getting involved in the degree it has, syria has been bombing some of the insurgent strong positions, and western iraq, i mean, they're both afraid of baghdad falling to isis, why? what is this group isis about that scares genuine terrorists so much? >> these guys are absolute cut throats and they are the ones who keep talking caliphate caliphate. and a lot of the others are going, oh, that's just rumor. neil: explain what a caliphate is? >> a caliphate is an entity that is run under strict adherence of sharia law, which is there are no courts other than sharia court, everything is done by interpretation of the koran and koranic teachings, and it's a very, very dark place. neil: darker than the already dark places that al qaeda and
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other groups have. >> middle east without a sunrise. neil: what is it if they were to take hold of baghdad, not all that far away, not all military types dismiss that possibility. i keep seeing them march closer, what is the thing we have to fear? >> i agree they won't take baghdad, too. but if they were to take baghdad, actually, if they were to just consolidate what they have now, they will plunge that portion of iraq under the sword into sharia law and that will, in my mind, that will be their undoing. these guys, there aren't that many of them. so you can't take a group that cut its teeth in syria by taking land from other insurgents, right? they're not fighting assad so much as taking land from other insurgents, and putting all these people under the sword. now all of a sudden they take mosul with 800 guys.
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>> explain that to me, captain, outmanned and outgunned troops when they shouldn't conquer. apparently iraqi soldiers many times outnumbering these guys, by five, 10-1 just put down arms and run. what is it about isis we're missing or whose evil or not appreciating or understanding, what? >> here's what is not being understood. one huge fear factor, they got that going for them, okay? and everybody is afraid to death. neil: that's by design. they do that by design, the attacks on on civilians and soldiers and if their crew where they're beheading them, that is by design to scare them out of approaching them. >> here's whether where we work on your morale, we're going to pull out the black bags and cut off heads. the reason why mosul fell so quickly as did everything else
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is the iraqi military leaders realized this was not just about the guys, it was a sunni tribal rebellion and they were going to be caught in the middle of it if they didn't leave and withdraw closer to baghdad, which they. did they fell not because of isil, they fell because this is a broader sunni tribal rebellion that started last december because of the seething anger against the central baghdad government, and all they did was allowed in and teamed up with the black flag waving sempter slicing guys that drove fear into the hearts of everybody. neil: i don't know who's zooming whom here and i don't know who to help here, i'm wondering if general petraeus was right. not only is that good money after bad, that's a got of good soldiers after good soldiers, i don't wonder whether that's worth it, what do you think? >> i agree. here we are chastising the
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maliki government for not including the sunni, why would we bomb the sunni? none of this makes sense, all that does is increase the ability for iran to create more instability in iraq which is their main goal. after we left and while we were there, they were funding people to fight us even though they were shia groups. their main goal is to make sure a stable iraq never happens again because that will be a direct threat to them. they will do anything they can to keep iraq in flames. neil: captain chuck nash, a man who will never tell you he's a war hero. he is, he's way too modest. a good thing i don't have half of his medals because i would be on the empire state building shouting it to the world. captain, always a pleasure. >> most generous, thank you, sir. >> and i'm right about this, this does not make sense that the irs, it's one thing to say you're missing e-mails, quite another to say it keeps
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happening again and again and again, forget about whether anyone in the irs should apologize for this. they have a 2.4 billion dollar i.t. budget to make sure they never experience this, but they did. talk about taxing. after this.
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earth justice. because the earth needs a good lawyer. . neil: all right, they do have these things in case you want to know, and if anyone in the irs is listening, data backup software to prevent the thing that sullied your fine agency with all the lost e-mails. want to show you proof of. this these are various programs that are out there at irs, free advice, we can pick you up a copy or two to make sure this embarrassing travesty doesn't happen again where you lose e-mails. then again, i would assume they weren't lost that they were deliberately deleted to. our fox business all-star, kerry, i know that the irs has a 2.4 billion dollar i.t. budget. >> you wonder if you don't have
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server capacity what does that mean for obamacare and health records. neil: oh! very good point. >> don't do the star trek conferences, save money there. the irs is been getting billions of dollars to improve computer systems for years, this is not the issue. when they discovered as you know in june 2011 that lois lerner has a problem with the computers, why didn't they say preserve that backup tape that stays there for six months. the minute you knew there was a problem with the backup drive on her computer, go to the tape and preserve. that they didn't do that. neil: unless that wasn't the goal. >> that would be too logical. neil: or you were out to destroy her. >> exactly right. i have a hard time believing with a $2.4 trillion budget, that was not getting the job done. neil: billion, billion,
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billion. a lot of money. they would audit you for making that mistake. that alone. >> the partnership with a company that inexplicably ended partnership with them. neil: not sonos the music people. >> the archiving company, they ended that inexplicably. neil: it's one thing for both the irs not to apologize, it's another thing to say they have no reason to apologize. the real story here is that an constitution that is very good at collecting data, very good at collecting it and urging us to save it for the better part of seven years up and loses this in repeated cycle over repeated years, doesn't make sense. >> i've been trying to come up with the opposite. is it possible that the irs is telling the truth? and i cannot get there. these are people that know what they're doing, know where everything is at all points in time, and all of a sudden this
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is gone, and the timeliness of it, after they get the letter from congress, just doesn't fit the smell test here, and i got to tell you, the fact they watched this guy say, the commissioner that they don't have enough money, when they have 2.4 billion dollars just from i.t., it tells you the inefficiencies, the ineffectiveness of government and invitement of the tax code which is 70,000 pages at this point in time. neil: i'm not an i.t. expert, not a tech expert, i talked to those who are on air and off air, they tell me, it's impossible nar to happen. virtually impossible. >> for it to be lost. neil: and retrieve it. one said it's like the machine itself could be retrieved and they could find those missing e-mails. >> then there is the idea out there by one group that is saying, well, subpoena all of the e-mails that they could have gone to outside of the
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irs. get all the federal agencies. interesting initially the first wave of the deleted e-mails for everyone that was on the attachment for the e-mails. so if i send one out to all of you, everything about you is deleted aswell, and it might have been just one e-mail to kayleigh? >> congressman jordan asks a great question, what time does it become obstruction of justice. they knew in february. neil: very, very good point. and exceeding the skepticism of americans, i want to show the latest poll that shows the majority of democrats, majority of independents, heavy majority of republicans don't buy it, they just don't buy it. >> past the point of obstruction of justice. we've seen the intricate web. we've been fed this intricate web of lies, for the irs commissioner john koskinen to say before the house oversight
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committee we didn't have enough money to spare 10 million dollars when they had a 2.4 billion dollar budget. >> that doesn't fly. neil: why are e-mails on this subject matter, others on other subject matter. i'm being columbo but it doesn't add up, gary? >> neil, those who are saying this is not a big deal and i watched the democrats on the hill actually defend all this, you have somebody whose e-mails that took the fifth, did not answer simple questions about what has happened here. one plus one equals two every time here, and anybody who thinks there is nothing here, they're putting their head in the sand, they are politically trying defend somebody. neil: it is weird, a quick break, and when we come back, obviously this is elevated to the point that between all of this back and forth and now the president and all the executive orders. the speaker of the house wants to sue the executive branch. republicans want to go after the most powerful man on the
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. >> i believe the president is not faithfully executing the laws of on our country, and on behalf of the institution and our constitution, standing up and fighting for this is in the best long-term interest of the congress. neil: really, mr. speaker, what got you so stewed up now? it's been going on for a long, long time. but to take the speaker at his word, he's going after the president, who's been too willy-nilly with the executive orders and this constitutionally must stop, he'll sue him to make the
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point. we got attorney jennifer braden who said it can come back to bite republicans, heather says they should sue nonetheless. heather -- or jennifer to you, on the fallout from this, republicans have a lot more to lose because george bush had a lot more executive orders. now we can argue, if we can show this, just the number of executive orders by president, they might have been different types of orders. might have been the kind that were not quite as offensive. democrats argue they were, and bill clinton's case they were very different. nevertheless, you stop that, you encourage it embolden successors to do the same when your guy is in, don't you? >> neil, there's no doubt this is the way for the republicans to get attention coming up on midterm elections, they're not legislating, and instead are
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going to sue. that sends a bad message to the public. litigation is always the answer? it's not appropriate. neil: i don't want you to think i'm totally taking your side. >> i thought you were taking my side, neil. neil: i am in the sense this is a waste of time and going to boomerang on them. they're going to get zoomed on this. >> absolutely. >> i am saying this, why now? why now is this has been going on a long time, egregious behavior and slippery activity. heather, what do you think of that? >> i think it's now because the 10th circuit gave them the open door to do this lawsuit. if the president, no matter what the party is taking away congress' role in making law, congress has institutional injury. >> you really believe that? >> it's nothing more than grandstanding by the republicans. come on! they always have the power to sue. and now we're coming up on -- on. neil: ladies, if you don't talk one at a time, i'm going to
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punish y and send to you your room without dinner. jennifer on, this issue, i say this, did you share that view when george bush had all those executive orders, particularly in and around the iraq war? did you also they that was his right and that there's no interference? >> come on. neil: was it yes or no! >> i didn't say it was appropriate to sue. whether i agreed with it or not, that's another issue. i don't think it's ever appropriate in this type of situation. neil: be careful, jennifer, there were many wanting to sue because he shouldn't be doing. this were you in the camp or not? >> that's a personal view, i'm not going to answer that on tv. neil: no, no, please hear me, if it's fine to sue now or fine not to sue then? >> it's not right to sue now and it was not right to sue
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then. neil: let's be clear. never a good thing. >> but the constitution allows for checks and balances. if the federal court is not the one to allow whether or not they can take over congressional role. who is? neil: heather, it happens all the time. they shared this opinion when george bush was racking up the executive orders, equally controversial. some even more so. >> but see it's not the number of executive orders, obama -- it's the type of executive order that it is. and boehner hasn't decided which executive order he's going to contest. that executive order has to be chosen carefully. certainly things it can meet to bring. neil: fdr knew crossing the line trying to pack a supreme court, they know when they're pushing the line and crossing the line. each president knows when he overdoes it and people are doing it. >> no, neil, i totally disagree
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with you. because obama said he's expanding opportunities for the middle class, for the people. he believes this is the right thing to do. neil: so did george bush felt he was doing the right thing. >> well, i agree with you. heather, what do you think? >> it's the procedure, it's the procedure. when he says i have a pen and a phone and can make law, that's plain wrong and inconsistent with the constitution, and therefore have to have checks and balances. >> that's why we have different branches of government, we have different checks and balances. not just the lawsuit. i disagree with you, the legislature -- neil: i knew when i said this, you would talk over one another, both of you, up to your room. i'm kidding, they're great guests and they're not coming back. here's a scientist offering anyone interested $10,000 to
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neil: all right, scientists is offering $10,000 to anyone who can disprove climate change with the scientific method. one thing, chris, that this professor is saying that greenhouse gases are on the rise. earth is getting warmer, weather is changing. oceans are warming, ice caps are melting. by and large most will concur that temperatures have been
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rising. where they are taking the next leap is that man is behind it and man will spend a lot of money to fix it. where are you on this? >> well, the claim about observation is same that president obama made, at two separate congressional hearings, in past year, witnesses were asked if you support those claims, no one would raise those hands, on businessizations are not -- observations are not something that people look out the window, and say the sky is where we left it 30 years ago are going to agree, you start crying wolf 30 years ago and that wolf does not show up but there is no evidence we have a wolf, we are not going to collect this. neil: what about those the tobacco denyers. that this professor says that back then, they were all about
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denys the obvious, and you and your ilk today, are denying the obvious right now. >> add home nom is oldest way in the book to change. neil: that is what he said you are doing, just sort of presents your own you say what? >> i address that, he said if you look outside seas are boil, and dogs and cats are living together, we check outside we are not viewing the world through same lenses, it is on businessization, and experiment -- observation and experimenttation, that scientific method that he says he relied upon, rodger -- >> i should explain. i know what a scientific method is, that is on businessization, observation and line
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by line checking, so, you are looking at that same material, saying that does not prove your points. right? skwhr- well, he said temperatures going up when they are plateaued, he translates computer model projections of the future, models have been proved on, they build in man driving temperatures by observations and overtime. neil: are you saying the earth is warning up? -- warming up? or acknowledgeing that warming up but not man that is doing it. it is a leap to say man needs to spend a lot of money to fix it. >> it is always warming and cooling at the same time if you choose your baseline properly. it is now below a. neil: you argue, the proof is how they character this, we have
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global warming then freezes then climate change that covers all of the above. >> he had a litany of things happening, observations do not support that, there is a -- if you see a wolf, i don't see a wolf we disagree. if you begin with his premises announc,none would agree with president's claim, he is living in a computer model projection of the future, and calling it the present. neil: chris warner, on the other side you are not hearing. >> this next guest, george shulz a big powerful republican member, you think we're talking about climate change, he must think it is a lark. he does not. he was among a number of key people, a at white house who was
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discussing this issue. and how businesses prepare for all this. secretary is joining me right now. where do you stand on this secretary? a real problem, and businesses have to commit to addressing it. >> i think it is real. we have a task force at hoover that by the retired chief of naval operation on the arctic, there is a new ocean created there. that has not happened since end of the last ice age, people are looking at navigation rights, and who has access to raw materials and what is happening to native populations it is a big issue. neil: what do you tell the businesses they have to do?
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hank paulson and others agree, do they agree? do you agree that businesses should plan financially to do something to fix this, what would that be? >> i think that there is a planning and risk analysis, i am influenced by an experience i had in middle 80s with president reagan, at that time there were a lot of scientists who thought that the ozone layer was depleteing, there were very respectable people who doubted it, but they did agree if it happened it would be a cat av catastrophy. i had priv lon privilege of meeh reagan twice a week, he said let's take out a insurance policy, there is something that says you could be wrong so let's
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take out the insurance policy. neil: how offensive of that are having what we have today? >> well, let me continue my story. so, when these -- that became clear that creative juices kicked in and the dupont company came up with something that people could do. not aspire to go and do it. we led that and people in the world did it it wound up something called montreal protocol. it turned out in retrospect, scientists who were worried were right, and montreal protocol came along just in time. i say to myself now, with this situation, reagan had a a poin, we studied what happened and it might be risky why not take out
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a insurance policy. neil: why done we take one outback in 1970s? we had a lot of "time" magazine, and other covers talking about big freeze. that there was going to be held be -- hell to play, blazeiers were bunching up, and would be a nuclear winter. there was a documentary hosted by leonard nimoy warning of a even that could send us back to the stone age. that was all the common consensus back then, if we had taken out a insurance policy then, to address what would be a freezing world, we would be ready for what you argue now is a warming one. neil: i think that insurance policies against potential catal al
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alf stefacatalcatastrophy is a . >> i think that basic insurance policy is not expenseive. number one, have significant sustained support for energy r&d. there is biggest bunch of scientists and energying working on this think is now. ever. and they really getting somewhere. so keep that going. they are learning how to alternate forms of energy, and store energy, batteries are getting better, this is it. it isn't -- the aim o aim of fel money it get lost. when this federal money comes it attracts private money, at stan forward and -- stanford and
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ph*eufrt this is about 3 times the government money. private people want to know what is going on other thing we can do is level will plays field among competeing sources of energy, they compete on a level field. that is not the case these days. >> give solar and wind and those a chance to compete. >> they should bear that cost,. neil: george always a bless ire to have. breesure to have you thank you very much. neil: a good sense, barring a new other primarys that republican field largely set for november, we're already finding out where the big money is coming in, republicans think they have november won. because the fights are over. are they? we follow the money, you decide.
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neil: all right. with senator cochran surviveing a much thought to be heated fight. they are breathing a sigh of relief. charlie gasparino, and liz, and gary and caylee they are back. what are you on this? money guys getting more? >> i don't think so. i think there is a lot of worry. who are the money guys? neil: your friends. >> my sources. not friend,. neil: do you turn on them. >> i do. i turn on everyone. neil: i have seen it myself. >> i am like jason, i keep coming back like a rabid dog, we could just keep going. anyway, they are more moderate,
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so out of touch with grass roofs movement conservatives. neil: that would have been dismissive of reagan? >> i don' i don't know. reagan reached out to wall street. neil: but not in '76. he won them over in '80, but it was a fight. >> at first they sideed with ford but the establishment moved to reagan for a lot of reasons. neil: what about now? >> they are worried that tea party will run the party in to the ground, not saying that is going to happen you about that is what they are worried about. they still -- you think about it cantor race was one example. that is you know,. neil: what does that signal? >> that party is being divided. what they would say is the far right, i would not, i would saying more these gays they are
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-- these guys, they are wrong about presidential candidates. neil: what do you? >> i think they know it is in their best interest to see pro business republicans in congress, numbers verify that. thaand i think that democrats ae in for a shell acting. acting. makeing that assumption. neil: they are not. >> how much money is goldman sachs giving to the guy that beat cantor. >> maybe not him but there are join committees, where you don't know who you are giveing. neil: we're going to win a lot of people are saying. they will have different behavior if they get back in control of senate or presidency. >> i hear what you say, i am curious what charlie thinks about who they are liking? >> who is this in. >> money guys. >> they like jeb. neil: they like jeb?
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>> they like jeb bush, they initially like christie, i think he is all but done, this latest investigation just about finishes him totally. neil: all of the names you mentioning are and reassaulted rino-- so-called rinos. >> is he. neil: just saying. not mentioning paul to you? >> no. neil: garey. >> presidential election is far away, a lot more people will get in i think at-this-point in time, these republicans have 4 1/2 months to not screw up. that is the way i'm looking at it, i think this time, it is not about politics local there is a national referendum on a lot of things emanating out of the white house, if republicans get their house in order. neil: a huge if. >> i agree with him.
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i think if they kp their mouth shut and play this as local races, not ar worry about the presidential election, the president could take -- republicans could take a senate. neil: you say they are making a mistake. >> with what? neil: many streamers. >> you asked what is worrying about republican guys, they are worry about far right. neil: >> why are they so worried? >> they think they cannot win a presidential election that far right. neil: well they can govern. >> i agree. but for this year, i don't think if matters right now. >> speaker bain ar boehner annoe is giving from his personal fund. the establishment coming
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together. >> did he say tea party majority? >> he did in the e-mail. >> he is bringing them together. neil: he could be looking over his shoulder. >> we alwaysb talk about rising violence in iraq affects gas prices. what if it is something more systemic. what if it is the president's overall foreign policy? iraq is just the latest indication of it. ♪
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neil: all right, in our biz littlblitz, his numbers go downd gas prices go up, all this time
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you have been focusing on iraq, you are right. but it could go back to the guy in the white house. gary? >> well i think there is a big worry that we do not have control of the future any more. a lot of things that go on in middle east, there is a worry we're on the heels not balls of our fight, bad people -- of our feet, and bad people with bad intentions are taking areas that have all of the oil. neil: blame it on the president? it has been deteriorateing for decades now? why an assault on him, saying you are reason why these gas prices are going up. >> my -- my father h erb said that the buck stops at the white house. neil: there were white houses before this one believe me i am not giving him a pass but it seems that everyone is singles
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him out for what sim floyding right now -- that is implodeing right now. >> welllo is the president, i am saying. neil: well, you are being a weany now not blaming the predecessor. >> oh, i blamed bush for a long time for being too active. >> this is a known issue, it has been problem since gulf war one. so this tedious orgy of self righteous talk out of dc . neil: tedious orgy of self reich righteous talk? >> i did not coin that. this has been a problem for a long time, you are laughing at me. neil: i think thinking of the tedious orgy.
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>> the thing is we know this story, we know that story line. neil: many dispute that saying do they overstated that. but can we tie high gas prices to a president's unpopularity. by that definition, with george w. bush as president, gas prices would have been soaring, i don't know about it. >> connection is a aggregate has its policies, you takena regulations, and -- the epa situation, and regulations in iraq,. neil: how does that affect price at pump. >> we'll see it go up, right now it is up 2 cents on average. >> but the guys over there know they have to bring oil to market to sustain whatever government they have over there.
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neil: a nervous commodity. >> i skittish kcal9.com. neilkotterman --commodity. neil: gary? >> speculate ors are watching this closely, if supply gets constrained and all heck breaks loose, they will be you know -- >> they do that because no one can seem to control this, who's on first? we don't know who is leading what? we think that putin is crazy, we don't know who is zooming whom. the world collectively saying game over. >> this is massive uncertainty across the globe right now. neil: uncertainty you heard it here. >> president announced he is lifting export ban to oil, right now we're finally energy independent, to lift that is going to hurt. neil: there are a lot of haters
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>> what is the deal? something i wrote for a fox business web site getting this reaction, a controversial subject, i guess. a company paying $25,000 for a employee to quit to just leave. gary writes, i would take it. that is enough money to invest, and last until a find a job. cal said i would negotiate a larger buyout to make me go away, mitchell would not take the money but admits this is a good tool to weed out disengageed employees who are looking for something else. and would you take the money, neil? >> no, they would have to provide some groceries as well. and like a great comedian, you
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are never afraid to laugh at your own self, maybe you were a nerd as a kid, but look at you now. how did you know? oh, the picture. you are so awesome neil, if only we had people in charge with personalities and integrity as yours, the world would be a better place,al as it not, because we don't. i am trying to help one step at a time. cavuto is a senseious did not tell him. >> and steve, i am not familiar with this cavuto guy, but he looks like a broke-ass steven colbert? really, everyone is so whity. and who is steven colbert. i am who you see. i am. this big ego -- well whatever.
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person. you get what you pay for. but it is basic cable. keep them coming, see you tomorrow. kennedy: isis crisis continues erosion jihadi group snaping up weapons, land and cash, this time super close to taking over iraq's largest airfield. that we stocked with goodies before he left town. >> we have our own issues back at home, supreme court got it right on cell phone searchs, you do not have to cough up your galaxy the next time you are stopped for making an illegal left turn. a new aclu report to cops, and economic shrinkages are

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