at 6:00 p.m. if you want watch it, dvr the show. don't miss a moment of making money. we have been making money. tomorrow morning on "varney" theat 8:00 and 11:00 a.m. we keep it going with the man himself, lou dobbs. lou: good evening, everybody. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu ordering reprisals for the kidnapping and murder of three teenagers in the west bank. the three teenage boys were kidnapped two weeks ago. they were found shot to death yesterday. one of the three boys, an american citizen. the terrorist group, hamas, celebrated the event. says a seething israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu promised quote, hamas will pay. and as you can see, on your screen, prime minister netanyahu has lived up to his threats, ordering the bombings overnight of 34 suspected hamas strongholds. president obama however in

contrast, calling for restraint, despite yet another dead american on foreign soil. the president saying, quote, as a father i can not imagine the inscribable pain that the parents of these teenage boys are experiencing. i urge all parties from steps that could further destablize the situation. his comments suggest that he doesn't quite comprehend the magnitude of yet another american killed on foreign soil by terrorists. the white house tonight also facing the reality that ukraine has moved back into civil war, if it ever emerged with a russian military waiting across-the-boarder for an order from vladmir putin to invade. and today, the white house deadline for iraq to form a new government with 800 american troops now returned to baghdad, the deadline is, as they often do, with this president, has

come and gone. shias, sunnis and kurds, no closer to ending the sectarian violence much. we'll be talking with former pentagon official kt mcfarland here in moments about the president's foreign policy missteps and miscalculations. also tonight, president obama says he will fix the broken immigration system himself without any help from congress. but president obama offered no details or any plan whatsoever. instead calling for more reviews, reports and suggestions from within his own administration that has yet to fix the problem. >> to review what authorities are available to the president that can be applied in this case. the president want to see what executive authority he wan wield to try to address some of those problems. what the president would like to see is a full accounting. review that began in march at the president's request by the secretary of homeland security. was a review of current

immigration policy as it relates to deportations and whether or not there could be some changes made in that policy to make them more humane. what the president has asked for now is building upon that request and that review. lou: we'll take up the president's go it alone strategy. we'll talk with manhattan institute fellow heather mcdonald on the crisis on our southern border and political strategist ed rollins and joe trippi, republican and democrat, here tonight. tea party favorite chris mcdaniel refusing to concede defeat in the battle to unseat senator thad cochran in mississippi. mr. mcdaniel will be joining us here live tonight to explain why alleged voting irregularities his camp calling the election illegal and demanding a new election. but we now turn to iraq, where the obama administration continues to insist it is not

putting boots on the ground. as another 200 of our troops move into iraq. he denies the move is even mission creep. for more now on the situation in iraq israel, ukraine and mexico i'm joined by former pentagon official and fox news national security analyst, kt mcfarland. kt, good to have you with us. >> great to be with you. lou: iraq, this is, this is a strange moment because the government in baghdad is saying that unless the united states gets serious about providing military they will turn to the russians, to iran, for all of the equipment and materiel that they say they desperately need. >> okay. we spent $60 billion training and equiping the 65,000-manner rackky army. they were confronted by 2,000 al qaeda isis thugs. what do they do? they threw down their weapons and took off uniforms and ran away to hide. if they're coming to say we need

more american help, more american support or we can't do this alone, too bad. you've had your chance. and for the president to somehow say, well, let have more inclusive government, mr. maliki. let's have everybody involved in the government, iraqis understand the iraq of two weeks ago is no longer the iraq of today and is never going to be again. lou: will it be a state divided in three, that is the sunnis, the shia and the kurds? >> bigger than that. i think the kurds in the north, which are pro-american, they have got a strong military, a thriving economy, and they're stable and at peace, that could be an american ally. that could be its own separate state because it is wealthy and has got oil. the other two parts of iraq, shiite part of iraq that is already iran's sock puppet. maliki, he is really taking his orders from iran. so it is not going to be shiite iraq, it will be shiite iran-iraq. then on other side the al qaeda

isis group, they will marry up with rebel groups. borders don't mean anything anymore. they have moved past that. that is what the al qaeda-isis group, when they say they're establishing a caliphate, that is what that means. borders don't count for them. lou: certainly not the borders, borders between syria and iraq where now they the islamic state in iraq and the left haven't, are saying that -- levant, say they're going to maintain something called, and create something called the islamic state inviting immigrants to come to the islamic state as they style it. what do you make of this? is it, is it sustainable having, having achieved what they have? they are controlling about a third of iraq right now? >> guess what? they're one of the wealthiest terrorist groups in the world. they have two billion with a b, money behind them. that is not even counting what they're probably getting, continuing to get from some of

the gulf arab families that are supporting them. so we can look at that say, oh, how absurd. they're not going to be a legitimate state. so far they are. lou: benjamin netanyahu, making good on his promise that this would not stand, attacking, bombing, 34 hamas sites, strongholds, if you will in retaliation, reprisals. >> uh-huh. lou: meanwhile the president saying don't destablize the region but not a word of protest that recall from this president about the kidnapping of those three teenagers and he didn't mention that one teenager who happened to be an american citizen today. >> does it surprise you after benghazi when four americans were killed and the president, and the white house and the state department didn't provide adequate security for them before, during or after? didn't try to rescue them? i think president who keeps making speeches telling people to do stuff. nobody does anything he says, whether it is russia, ukraine,

whether it is iraq, whether it is syria, whether it's china but he keeps making speeches and keeps calling for restraint and turns out leading from behind, we've been left behind. and that is the really upsetting thing. the legacy of the presidency of barack obama is going to be a diminution of the united states's position in the world. it is ever-shrinking power. lou: what do you make of the so-called humanitarian crisis on our southern border of which for all the world has been caused in large measure by this president's executive actions over the course of five years in which he has reduced the intensity of enforcement of u.s. immigration laws and in fact, reduced our border security? >> we don't have a border with mexico anymore. if the president is saying, we're looking now at iraq and syria, there are thousands, maybe as many as 4,000 fighters, experienced jihadists with either european or american passports, they're going to come

home. what is easiest way to get into the united states, if you don't have an american passport? come through that open border of the if you do have an american passport, come to the united states. they are coming and we are not protecting ourselves. we don't have a secure southern border and we are not looking for these people with the same intensity, because the political correctness. got to treat everybody the same. but we really should be profiling for the behavior patterns that terrorists exhibit and we're not. lou: kt mcfarland, thank you for being here. >> thank you. lou: the obamacare disaster is back in the news tonight. after a government watchdog group issued a report finding widespread problems with obamacare applications. according to the health and human services inspector general there were 2.9 million flawed applications from october to december of last year. worse, the government resolved only 10,000 of those cases

during the ig's audit. that is less than 1% of the 2.9 million people. obamacare may also be far more expensive than previously reported. one harvard economics professor says the health care law is costing our economy more than $800 billion a year at current prices. and new reports that a romanian hacker attacked vermont's obamacare website last december, gaining access at least 15 times, going undetected for a month. state officials telling residents that private consumer data wasn't on the hacked server but computer experts say it's possible consumers were put at risk. russian hackers also hard at work, private cybersecurity researchers say russian hackers have been engauging in industrial espionage on a large-scale, systematically attacking hundreds of western

oil and gas companies and energy investment firms. and, they're employing more sophisticated hacking techniques such as planting malicious software into websites that energy workers often visit, such as online take-out menus. we're coming right back. president obama refuses to take responsibility for the humanitarian crisis on our border with mexico. the manhattan institute's heather mcdonald on what the president is doing, what he should do, and what he won't, next.

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creative ways for him to use his executive powers. those remarks coming at a cabinet meeting this morning. it is the second full cabinet meeting of this year. president obama then headed to the key bridge in washington where he asked congress far more money for the highway trust fund >> if this congress does not act by the end of the summer, the highway trust fund will run out. won't be any money there. all told, nearlyhundred thousand jobs could be at risk next year -- 700,000 jobs. that would be, like congress threatening to lay off the entire population of denver or seattle or boston. that's a lot of people. lou: congress has put forward a nearly a dozen proposals to address exactly that issue but republicans and democrats are still fighting about how to pay for it.

as president obama takes the summer to consider executive actions on the immigration crisis that many say he has created, our next guest says the president's call and now blaming congress for the border invasion and his gall is simply stunning. joining us is manhattan institute senior fellow, city journal contributing editor, heather mcdonald. great to have you with us. >> thank you, from southern california. this president lacks nothing in the way of gall, chutzpah, just sheer, just sheer rivera, and yet he is still out there talking as if he running against congress and sounding, it seems to me, extraordinarily, his words, ex- extraordinarily hollow. is anybody taking him seriously? >> well the democrats are and immigrant advocates are. this is truly one of the most surreal moments in immigration

history, i think, lou, because we have right now in front of our eyes a very startling preview of what is going to happen if obama gets his full-scale amnesty. we have a surge of minors, sometimes, accompanied by their parents, sometimes not, coming across-the-boarder, expecting quite rationally, to be allowed to stay, having been drawn here by the magnet of obama's own unilateral and possibly unconstitutional amnesty for so-called d.r.e.a.m. juveniles who were brought here by their parents. and so what we're seeing is what happens in every single amnesty in the west whether it is in europe or here. you pass an amnesty or in the case of obama, sign it into action without any congressional support. and you bring in more people. and now, he is claiming that the solution to this border crisis is yet, another amnesty.

so this is completely perverse. and yet -- especially when he, excuse me, go ahead. >> he is getting away with it. lou: well he has gotten away with so much, but i get a kick out of, heather, is the president talking about it he is going it alone. that happens to be his, his modus operandi, no matter what he is doing. he in fact is saying to congress, you have to pass the bill that approved and constructed, that is the senate "gang of eight" bill full-on amnesty and open borders or i will go it alone. he will give them only two ways, his way and his way, and acts if no one picks on the lack of distinction between the two. >> exactly. and yet bashes the republicans for not being willing to compromise but he is the one not willing to compromise here. he is already recently been rebuked by the supreme court for

engaging in unilateral executive actions. so, this idea that we have this marvelous constitutional law professor up here which is, rather stretching i think what his actual accomplishments were, is preposterous. lou: with 13 unanimous decisions against his administration, i don't think he will pretend effectively at least much longer that he is a salve vaunt on constitutional law -- savant, particularly again after losing on so many important cases. i mean it is striking that he would even maintain, attempt to maintain the fiction. let's, with his own appointees voting against him for crying out loud. the white house, it i point made it pretty clear. they understand immigration reform is dead this year. they don't understand that the american people are having a fit about what they're witnessing on our southern border.

the reality is, that both parties, the president bush, 10 years ago, pushing for a comprehensive immigration reform, famously saying there are jobs that americans won't do. this president saying that republicans are stopping him. the reality is, it seems to me, heather, is, that the people that this is supposed to be all about, that is illegal immigrants in this country, are the last people being considered by either party, because this could have been solved most recently by the house judiciary committee proposals, four separate bills that would have provided the foundation for true reform and true a simulation and accommodation of illegal immigrants. or it could have been done eight years ago in 2006 and 2007 when both side started demanding full loafs instead after compromise. is there any rationality in

prospect at all with the the fate of these illegal immigrants and the national interests hanging in the balance? >> well, i don't really see it. i see the momentum moving further and further away from any understanding that our country has a unequivocal right to enforce its borders and sovereignty. and, once you give up on that, you're left to the irrationality of people outside of our country deciding what our immigration policy should be. lou: let me ask you this. have you ever seen a more carefully orchestrated, more powerfully disseminated organization of propaganda than that which we are watching as led by this administration, this president, by the democratic party, by the activists and advocate groups who say they

represent the interests of illegal immigrants? the chamber of commerce. >> the business roundtable, i mean it goes on and on and on. the national media, it is extraordinary. >> well what is so extraordinary we're coming up an 4th of july is the indifference, for me the most extraordinary thing is the indifference of our republican establishment to the central importance of the rule of law in making this country what it is and the reason why people from the third world flock to get in because they want a country that is not corrupt, where officials don't believe themselves above the, above the law and for republicans in particular, to say that that shouldn't matter and to play the child card of, it is somehow, it is our laws that are responsible for separating families, when it is the decision of somebody to come here illegally to take on the risk of being separated from his children, i think that is, that is extremely depressing about

our oblivion toward what makes this country great. lou: well i think that there is little doubt that the issue of the greatness of this country are its, or its destiny are a the mare of, well, not certainly of forethought or priority on the part of this administration, the gop establishment, representing as they do, so many special interests rather than the middle class, those who aspire to it, and the national interests. heather mcdonald, thanks tore being with us. good to see you. >> thank you, lou. lou: we'd lying to remind the obama administration -- weed like to remind the obama administration if we might, that marine sergeant andrew tahmooressi has been confined to a mix can prison 92 days now without a word from our president. i'm sure that is an oversight of some sort. it is also very likely about

time that it is considered and outrage. time for a look at our online poll results. we ask you whether you believe it is even possible to secure our borders and ports with president obama having another two years in office? 95% of you said no. that is the final vote on that issue. be sure to vote on our pole tonight. who is more inspiring leader to the citizens of his nation, prime minister benjamin netanyahu, or president barack obama? cast your vote at lou dobbs.com. up next, president obama says he is going to fix as much of the broken immigration system as he can without congress. is the system broken? or is it simply not being managed, simply not being enforced? by the way, where is the president's actual plan? my commentary is next. ♪

. lou: coming up here tonight, he's contesting the results of the mississippi republican senate primary, as he sought to unseat the senator thad

cochran. he alleges irregular voting activity. tea party candidate chris mcdaniel will join us. and the president keeps losing in the supreme court. but still ruling by fiat. talking with lead attorney arthur idalla next. president obama promising to deal with a humanitarian crisis, by the way, that appears to be the direct result of peace of executive orders and actions. in his first year as president, you may recall, he reduced work site raids on large employers employing illegal immigrants. he ordered all illegal immigrants facing deportation to have a lawyer reversing the policy of the bush administration. mr. obama use the prosecutorial discretion for illegal immigrants to remain in the united states. he sued arizona and alabama to stop state enforcement of laws against illegal immigration, he

created a public advocate for not the unemployment but for illegal immigrants. and he released illegal immigrant detainees. all sending strong messages to mexico and nations of central america and, of course, their citizens, that our board are is effectively open to whoever wants to cross it. president obama's executive actions are one of the main causes of our so-called border crisis. in 2012, for example, the executive action titled deferred action for childhood arrivals or daca granted children of illegal immigrants a two-year reprieve from deportation. the message was clear, that the obama white house would grant amnesty whenever possible, de facto, but still amnesty, and now he has the temmerity to say we have a real humanitarian crisis on our border. it is of the president's

making. and while the president talks tough about enforcement, but says never anything about any real solution, any real plan. he also is asking congress for more than 2 billion dollars to deploy a whopping 150 border patrol agents to reinforce our border. 150 additional agents to add to the more than 21,000 border patrol agents who deal with about 60,000 so-called unaccompanied minors who walked right across our southern border. harder for this white house to explain this why with only half as many agents ten years ago, the border patrol was catching almost three times as many illegal immigrants as this border patrol today. and why they manipulated deportation data to make it

appear that the border patrol was deporting more illegal immigrants than the bush administration, the homeland security secretary had to admit before congress that was not the case that, in fact, they were manipulating the numbers. this president keeps saying most children from honduras, el salvador and guatemala will be shipped back home while talking and acting as though he is a singular historic figure who will right wrongs against these people, and as congressman luis gattera said in a blinding moment of obama worship, he will heal illegal immigrants as well. instead mr. obama refuses to honor his constitutional obligation to defend our borders to enforce, not defy, our laws and to act in the national interest. it is now apparent that is not our president's nature or inclination.

we're coming right back.. senator thad cochran's tea party challenger chris mcdaniel says the voting may be over but the race isn't. new charges of voter fraud and unethical behavior. mcdaniel joins us next. keeping a billion customers a year flying, means keeping seven billion transactions flowing. and when weather hits, it's data mayhem. but airlines running hp end-to-end solutions are always calm during a storm. so if your business deals with the unexpected, hp big data and cloud solutions make sure you always know what's coming - and are ready for it. make it matter.

. lou: new allegations of boat buying in mississippi have claimed the cochran campaign paid thousands of democratic voters to vote for the incumbent. my next guest concedes by senator cochran because he's trailing by fewer than 7,000 votes and keeps finding more invalid votes in ballots. joining me now republican senator senate candidate from mississippi chris mcdaniel. good to have you with us. >> thanks for having me. lou: a lot of people are surprised at the allegations. you have 1500 invalid ballots as i understand it, right now,

what makes you think you can get to the requisite 8.5% to invalidate the election itself? >> that's because today we're up to more than 3300 irregularities in a handful of days. not counting the fact that most of the counties have not been surveyed. we do not have access to the poll book, when you look at this in the circumstances, we recognize the numbers are there, and incredible number of allegations against the cochran campaign and their camp as to voter fraud. this is an investigation that has to take place, it's something we need to do not simply for a campaign or candidate but for the integrity of the process. lou: well mississippi pastor reverend stevie fielder claims that cochran's campaign promised him money and gave him money walking around money to get out the black vote to support senator cochran and to

stave off your challenge. but now there's a lot of questions about pastor fielder, he was paid by a reporter, apparently, for his story. what's your reaction? >> well, he had very detailed allegations, but that's not the only allegations made. we also heard allegations from democrats in heinz county who pointed directly to the head gop chair person in heinz county and said pete perry, the gop chair person asked him to violate the law, to agree to not have the poll books and allow crossover voters. these are not isolated allegations, two of these have gone on the record and the allegations are very succinct, very detailed, and we anticipate we're going to hear more and more of them as the investigation continues. lou: as your vote count for invalid ballots rises, we're also hearing stories about apparently relatives of at

least one relative of haley barbour, the former governor, national republican leader, there in mississippi, is there anything in your judgment to those allegations? >> good question. in my judgment. this is what it boils down to. last tuesday even, 40,000 liberal democrats voted in the senate. 40,000 driven to the polls on the part of the barbour and cochran machine, that's a problem. we conservatives in the country have to learn to fight for republican values. that's not what happened tuesday. they talked about growing government. they said that if i was elected i would make sure minorities do not vote which is absolute nonsense. this is not the way we grow parties in this country. they have abandoned the conservative movement. that's a problem.

lou: they are in direct opposition to, it what i'm curious about tonight is at what point whether you think you have sufficient evidence to overturn the election and to have a new election? >> i think there's sufficient evidence now, and the numbers we talked about earlier of 3300, at least, irregular voters out there, it's just going to grow. we haven't gotten to the bigger part of those counties where we saw so much fraud. that was in the obama counties, that obama won in his presidential races. that's where we see it. once we get up, there the whole country is going to see it. we believe there was corruption in mississippi that night. it's our job to find it, root it out and make it right for the process. lou: chris mcdaniel, thanks for being with us tonight. >> thank you very much. lou: we're coming right back. stay with us. . the supreme court rules the contraception mandate is history. now businesses across the country are adjusting their health plans.

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[ male announcer ] see if your business qualifies. . lou: on wall street, a record-breaking day for stocks, the dow jones industrial average up 29 points, the s&p up 13. both at new all-time highs. the nasdaq rose 50 points, volume picking up to 3.1 billion shares. president obama weighing executive actions after the supreme court's hobby lobby ruling against his administration and obamacare's contraception mandate. the white house also immediately called on congress to enact a legislative fix to his problem. our next guest says it's a very narrow decision and any war on women claims, he says, are unfounded. one of the best attorneys in the country, arthur aidala joins us tonight. >> it's a pleasure, lou, what you said, i agree with 100%. it's a bunch of malarkey. there are 20 different ways not

to get pregnant, okay? it's very simple. lou: right. >> 20 different ways, drugs this way, that way, and the government and obamacare wants the companies to pay for all 20 of them. lou: right. >> and basically summing it up, this one court ruling says the four ways not to get pregnant, so 16, we're okay with that. lou: we should say these are construed and interpreted as being also pills that can lead to abortion. >> that's what justice alito basically said. of the conservative wing or the originalist wing is the rookie, he was the last bush appointee. it was a little surprising he was the one who carried the ball on this one, but did a fantastic job, he writes in there, this is a very narrow ruling and all we're saying is this, there are people who own

companies who do not believe -- their religious beliefs do not believe in abortion. and of the 20 methods of contraception, four creates a fetus and destroys is immediately. these people for religious beliefs do not want that to happen, so they have to pay for 16 methods, they don't have to pay for 4. here's the irony, it's based on the religious freedom restoration act. you know who put that in? lou: what president was that? >> ronald reagan? no. george h.w.? no. it was bill clinton, did it with a unanimous congress and this is what he said, the government, bill clinton, the government should be held to a very high level of proof before it interferes with someone's freedom to exercise their religion. lou: that sounds like the kind of care that is represented by obamacare in all regards.

the individual mandate, the business mandate, the contraception mandate. >> without playing politics, i'm not being political, i'm being legal. lou: never. >> legally speaking, obama's got his butt kicked by the supreme court over the last two years, he really, really has. lou: would you not expect the guy who at least, some people say is a professor in constitutional law, he was a lecturer, he's a part-time guy. the fact is wouldn't you have expected him to know at least the limits. >> yes, the answer to your question is yes, i will tell you the only time on the fox news channel and the fox business channel i ever criticize the president of the united states is because of my disappointment and his lack of knowledge of constitutional law, since that's how he earned his living, and the fact this is one kick in the teeth for him. what about the appointment's decision that came out last week, where he's sneaking people into office.

>> the national labor relation recess appointments. >> that's out of order, he's supposed to know better. lou: we're talking about abuse of power, it's that straightforward. >> he's pushing the envelope. lou: with illegal immigration, what looks to be a crisis of his own making on our southern border, he has his crisis which he expects to fully explore. >> he's going to take matters into his own hands. lou: any recourse for the american people, for congress, for the senate? >> yes, you have to go in the voting booth, that simple. people don't do it, lou. people don't. in other countries people die and bleed to vote, and what's our voter turnout in america? 20%? 25%? in president elections, sad. lou: i've inspired and thank you very much. >> god bless you. good to see you. lou: happy july 4th. >> to you, too. up next, another petullent performance whom arthur never

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. lou: joining us now the a-team former reagan political direct ofox news political analyst, ed rollins, and democrat, fox news contributor joe trippi. great to have you with us. >> good to be with you. lou: start with the hobby lobby. this is -- everybody is styling it as being around the contraception mandate, but it's really about abortion, not contraception, isn't it? >> definitely about abortion, that's the objection was the dayafter pill, and at the end

of the day, and joe can attest to this. if this would have been in the language in the bill, it never would have passed. house democrats could have never got enough votes to pass it. this came in by regulation, and my sense is the court basically lived up to it. lou: what do you mean, by regulation? >> thousands of things implemented in the bill that are done by the department of health and human services not in the language itself. a lot of legislation basically says it will be implemented. in and this particular language is put in by the department of health and human services, the suit was against sebelius, former secretary. lou: joe, have we let this government get completely out of control, whether it's dodd frank, whether it's obamacare, thousands upon thousands of pages are written by the bureaucrats, the regulators, the department, rather than by the lawmakers themselves. >> well, i mean, the problem is

when you do change 20% of the economy, it's going to be a lot more than just, you know, two lines in a bill, which is why half the people voted for it never even read it, but, look, i think, and ed and i talked about this. what's happening here is this whole thing is again going to be politicized by both sides way beyond the bounds of what it was really about. both sides are already fund-raising. i mean, ed's seen fund-raising e-mails, i've seen them from the democrats on this, and it's going to be -- it's going to energize a lot of people, turn out 2014, and it's going to be, the 2014 elections are going to have a big impact on how much this stuff keeps going on, i think. lou: well, immigration is another hot-button issue, one that has blown up in this president's face, the backlash against his quote, unquote humanitarian crisis on the southern border which he helped

to create, if he did not, in fact, create and orchestrate. this is going to have a powerful impact, rendered immigration legislation any of kind. >> and may even long-term, both republicans and democrats at one point in time, both presidents, democrats and republicans, wanted to have immigration. i think this kind of a thing is disturbing as it is on our borders is going to put it way back. enormous cost of taking care of the young people on the border. lou: $2 billion. >> the state is going to have to absorb it, it's gotten out of hand. lou: and communities going broke. heather mcdonald of the manhattan institute said this is the preview of amnesty, and that's why there is so much backlash because this is just a sample of what will happen with full-on quote, unquote comprehensive immigration reform. >> actually, you think this crisis would drive both sides

to come together and find common ground to solve it, and there just doesn't seem to be any give on either side, president or congress, to do anything about it, other than to point fingers at each other. lou: why should there be any give on the issue of border security. a nation who without borders as ronald reagan famously said is no longer a nation. why in the world is there any retiscence to enforce and control our border? >> well, you still have the problem, what are you going to do with thousands of children coming to the border that -- where it's drug lords and others that are fomenting, charging them to get them up there. lou: those drug lords, those drug cartels that you're talking about have infiltrated the united states.

there are 250 cities in the country, ms 13 for example, the drug cartels insinuated themselves into our society. the drug cartels, the drug wars in central america have been raging over all this time. this is the first time we're seeing this. >> because they're shipping kids up here. that's what's going on. lou: 1800 miles. >> the borders are wide open. at the end of the day, this president said that the borders are secure, enforcing security. at the end of the day, we need to take the 400,000 troops we have deployed in this country and think in terms of this is a war in the border and put the people to work on the border. good soldiers to take the mission. lou: ed rollins, joe trippi, gentlemen, thank you very much, appreciate it. >> talk care. lou: we're going to say right now that -- well, we're going to say that's it for us. coming up tomorrow, tammy bruce, and mark simone among

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