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down. the lowest and 2007. >> there is "the closing bell." that is helping the financials. maybe we will do even better. look at this, liz. we are so close. >> triple digits. low volatility indexes. 17,000 in the rearview mirror. take a look and see how the numbers are playing. we do have green off of the screen. after the bell starts right now. ♪ >> just so you know, the dow is now at 95.3. very close to triple digits. we are going nowhere. way above by about 66 points.
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let's get right to our market panel. intrepid capital management. nicole petallides is still with us. bob. chief markers on. market strategist. i want to start with bob. what a day. it has seemed that the jobs report hit the sweet spot. too many jobs were created. a pullback by the fed is not enough. if not enough jobs were created people would think we were in a slowdown. >> i will tell you what is going to worry me. as soon as i hear the economy stops using the word recovery and starts using the word expansion, then i will stop worrying about the expansion
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margin. a number over 300,000 when you look at the revision. getting past the dow 17,000. thankfully, it is out of the way. >> down 17,000. >> once the crossover, the reversions go back to april. mark, what do you make of the data? there are a lot of naysayers. this looks pretty bossy. >> it does. we have a market that has been improving all year long. a slower recovery that most people would have wanted. each month we see a little bit better jobs data. a little better revision. with the vix quite low, i see higher highs going lower.
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lives are still very small. i still think it is coming. >> you have been a net seller. >> i wish i had been levered long three-one. maybe you saw it earlier in the week. an interview with paul miller. one of the points he makes, unfortunately, most people buy high and sell low. whether that is a mutual fund or equities. i think an evaluation driven investor. we love the discounted price. the returns are better than cash. we also do not want to lose people. we are not risk seeking, we are risk avoiding.
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liz: let's talk about what works today. one day before the holiday. expert traders saying the day before a holiday on low volume, low volatility. there should not be this kind of rally. the media names. all in the green. financials. pharmaceuticals. internet names except for juniper and whether the. these are great numbers. nicole: some of the names that have not done this well, they turn it around and really continue to do well. we have had some great performers that are worth noting. tesla up over 50%. alcoa up 40%. netflix, savanna, they spoke. seller, seller performers.
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really some big movers this year. the dow not moving so much. they hit a record today. adam: bob at the cme. one question is when the fed will be moving rates. does today's report moving the fed closer? >> no. it doesn't. you still see a decent amount of the jobs. record levels actually being part-time jobs. i agree that it is shifting. they will allow more inflation then perhaps we would have allowed in the past. i do not think it affects the fed. liz: mark, what about you? you really looked at this rally and participated in it.
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barracuda. this is a name that is in the security business. it also has a heavily shorted flow here. it is down 11% year to date. you also like work day. that is more of a five year pick. >> you and i have talked about this before. a terrific name that went public a few years ago. one of the few superstars really taking commonplace. you have a large market. you have a real tech logical shift going on. you have a terrific company with people who are running the company with people who got it before. it is not a stock you want to put all your money and today. there are cuba is a of a different story. it is in the social security
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space. extremely well-run. it does have the high short interest. it trades at 100,000 shares a day. it is extremely well-run. we're talking about security. we are talking technology. it is a well-run company. adam: i am looking at gold and oil. both of which are down. maybe the price of commodities will come down a little bit. nevertheless, you are for northern oil and gas. are you concerned that oil and commodities may have topped out? >> you know, david, i am not. they have working interest in a lot of wells. they get to participate in
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successful wells. it is really neat business. $16,000 a share. we think it is worth private market. liz: why is 32% of this shortage on oil and gas? >> well, honestly, people think they may have hit a dry hole. i cannot speak for the short positions at this point. it has been a very interesting ride. it is rolled into a public shell. the cofounders, the ceo, you know, it is people like. we will see. adam: this is not the day for the short sale. the short sales are often proven wrong. mark, thank you. nicole petallides. bob. great to see you all.
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liz: dow 17,000. can we breathe a little easier? what if anything might be stabilizing. superstar economist calls it like she sees it. what we may be missing as well as the question everyone is talking about. will we see interest rates? adam: what do the people that do the firing think about today's job numbers? st that. liz: we would love to hear your thoughts on today's job numbers. do you think it shows the u.s. economic recovery is finally strengthening? of the 200,000 jobs created. we have not seen that in years. hang out with us.
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when folks think about wthey think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america.
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shingles the pain in my tremendouscalp areailot. and down the back of my neck was intense. it would have been virtually impossible in that confined space to move to change radio frequencies. i mean it hurt. i couldn't even get up and drive let alone teach somebody and be responsible in an airplane. as a pilot that meant i was grounded. liz: shares getting quite a boost today. adam: let's hope back to nicole
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petallides. nicole: more and more jobs. i know there are many frustrated americans. with the latest number that we got in, 288,000. the monster worldwide. true blue. it is also a winner today. up 1.6%. they did so well on the heels of the jobs report today. we have seen the weekly claims. those have been on the rise. that really helps things along. liz: the dow topped 17,000. finishing at an all-time high. here are the numbers. adding 288,000 jobs last month. marking the first five-month
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stretch. we know what was happening then. tons of job creation. a stronger dollar. here is today's report. a really solid find. joining me now, somebody who is going to tell you the truth on this. happy day before fourth of july. we have early fireworks here. i personally, i really liked the revisions. >> absolutely. it means that we missed it on the first cut. the hard data has been a little mixed on the second quarter. it looked a little better. that is really important. if you think there are a couple things to report, it was a lot
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that they did not get out until really late. you had a drop in labor force purchase the patient. you had a drop within 20-24 -year-olds. you have a lot of teachers that were hired, supposedly. that was a little bit of a catch up. business services. this is not just temporary hires. that infrastructure and that side of it still worried about that. not a lot of wage growth. there is a little meat on the bones. maybe we will get some of those college graduates. it is not a tribe. we showed it before we brought
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it up. it is still very low. let's move on from that. that is a broken record. move onto the unemployment rate. you are talking about good quality jobs this time around. better paying jobs. when do we start to see what people want to see? >> the volume of jobs was high. we have a lot of low-paying jobs as well. i think it will be -- i do not think we will get the surge we would love to see. if i am wrong, i would rather be wrong. it would be great. there would be some headwinds that we have to face in the housing market. we want to get the college grads back into the labor force. they need to buy their first home. the certain overhang of student debt. still very shallow in the
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market. those things are, you know, if there is some good news out there, we are going, we still are not running out there. this is not a job. this is just a trot. liz: a trot which is not that exciting beard it is dow 17,000. we have a solid stock target here. not too much participation. in this regard, the first-quarter gdp. what are you looking for for q2? we are running out of time. >> around 3%. not as strong as i thought it would be. close to 3% would be better. in terms of the fed, i think
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they are getting excited. liz: okay. that is what i think people want to know. what happens to the psychology of the stock market? >> the fed has gone from these thresholds to nuances. there is a soft underbelly. even though it is getting a little firmer. people are not sure which numbers to trade off of. liz: it is great to see you. thank you for pointing these things out. happy fourth of july. david. adam: stocks are soaring. just how sustainable is the jobs
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and made. samsung has approval of the building. the facility will focus on phones and tablets. high-speed internet service. wi-fi and for gtech knowledge he will be available. retail target has asked customers to leave their guns. a gun-control campaign sparked by guns rights activists inside target stores. retailers down at amazon saying they are prepared to go to court. it has not done enough to stop children from racking up on authorized path charges on tablets. that is today's independent speed read. liz: and then i have to go to the children. this year's fourth of july will
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be a very wet one. potentially dangerous for some areas of north carolina. a mandatory evacuation of a barrier island. liz: jonathan has more on this storm. jonathan, it is always the son over your head. where do we stand right now. some clouds are starting to move in. it has been a sunny day. some of the other surrounding each side communities here on north carolina's outer banks. nevertheless, local and state officials are warning people of some of the hidden dangers. >> most injuries occur. we want to make sure people do
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not go into the ocean. a mandatory evacuation. that is just to the south of us. they are just using the daylight hours. those are choosing to stay behind. prepare to be self efficient for 22 hours. it is not available to the other communities. while some residents and visitors are leaving just as april caution, many others have chosen to stay behind. listen. >> we will not go see the fireworks. hopefully the weather will clear out in time and we can get there to do that.
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if not, we will be hunkered inside the house with a lot of good food. that is it. [laughter] >> back to our live shot. it is sunny here. as we go into the evening hours, you can expect conditions to rapidly deteriorate. thank you. the picture continues to improve. we go down into the trenches with two top executives. liz: american apparel founder comes out swinging with a new strategy. the future of the company he created. he founded this. a very awkward, as our turn
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david: there you go, 11,000, we made it folks. -- 17,000. as liz said before, isn't great to get it out of the way. it is just a number, of course. but in light of the jobs report where some people thought if it was too good the market would pull back because the fed might raise rates sooner. in fact it was a good report, it
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was a very good report. so the market pulled up. and nice when the market goes up on good news. liz: upward revisions for april or may indicate that anybody who sat out thinking it would be horrible missed is what now three to five-year rally. david: there may be time to get in and that's what we're about here. liz: this goes from the supply, the ridiculous, to totally bizarre. the fight over future of embattled retailer american apparel is heating up it was already sizzling but reuters reporting that that guy, american apparel ceo has handed over his entire stake and voting rights to hedge fund standard general a of failing to win majority control of the retailer. childreney, if you haven't been following this was removed from his role of ceo after being accused of misusing corporate fund and helping disseminate explicit photos of a former
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employee. that is the last two in a laundry list of issues with dov. fti consult something investigating claims. according to sources familiar with the matter mr. charney is waiting until the investigation is complete before trying to recover his ceo role. he started american apparel years ago. everything made in the usa. shares have plummeted 50% over the last year. they closed up 4 1/2% or four pennies. just an 87-cent stock. >> what a story there. get back to the main news. we saw a very strong jobs report today, much better than expected but we want to know what the picture looks like on the ground. who better to ask than what business owners and leaders who are actually creating these jobs. joining us two members of the job creators, network, michael levin, las vegas sands president and chief operating officer. and jim anthony, founder of anthony development, real estate development and service company in north carolina.
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wonderful to have you both on a. i have to congratulate you guys because you were part of this numbers game. mike in vegas, what does the jobs picture reflect in terms of what you are seeing? is it the same or reflective what you're seeing on the ground in vegas if. >> david, what we've seen increase in visitation to vague gas to 2007, 2007 levels. but at the end of the day there is still not a lot of jobs being created because those jobs just exist the all this time. i don't think we're seeing employment increases that would be indicative what you've seen in the numbers. david: that is interesting. >> we're seeing better business. david: okay. that is a very interesting point. because of what has been happening, how the job situation has been evolving, some jobs frankly will not come back. talk about north carolina. you're mr. north carolina by the way. you're a duke grad. spent most of your business career in north carolina. you have the roots planted from the feet up as far as north carolina goes.
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it is one of the most dynamic economies of any states in the country but was hit very hard during the recession, primarily because there are so many banking interests in north carolina, in charlotte. has it recovered fully? is now the time when you can say that's behind us? >> i would say no. if you asked the same question about what is happening on the ground, we've got lots of college grads here that are still looking for work. they're underemployed and unfortunately a lot of jobs that are being created are actually part-time jobs that folks don't really want. they're looking for full-time jobs. or they are full-time jobs they don't want. they are simply stepping stones to waiting for a real job they were trained for. david: well, mike, actually, that is one of the discouraging factors that came out of this jobs report. the big increase in number of part-time workers. also the labor participation rate remains very small compared to historic standards. but what kind of jobs, when you
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look at jobs in vegas you're involved with are not coming back? what kind of jobs have gone away as a result of evolution of the economy that are just gone for good? >> i think what jim said is absolutely correct. what is happening, middle management and senior management jobs are only being created as people retire. there are no new jobs coming into that sector. the jobs being created are part time work, hourly wage jobs which can not handle the educates workforce. what is happening we're not creating jobs for the uneducated workforce because our education system is in such trouble. you have two basic factors for educated and you know educated will not benefit from this kind of economic environment. david: jim, let's talk about the positive then. who are you hiring? i know you're always hiring folks. what kind of folks with what kind of background do you need right now? >> interestingly we are, i'm in the commercial real estate industry and we are hiring people that are primarily
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independent contractors. so they're not actually employees. i don't know how they get plugged into these numbers but we have been growing. our market is in fact one of the hottest in the country. our whole region is very strong. so we're hiring, but they are jobs that are typically full commission positions that are dependent on the health of the economy. which, frankly is finally coming back. commercial real estate was beat down very badly with the collapse. but we are finally seeing that pent-up demand starting to take office space, fill shopping centers and build new communities. david: mike, are you having a similar experience with the independent contractors? are you hiring more people, not as full-time employees but as independents? >> yes. i think that is absolutely correct. we don't hire a lot of contractors but we hire a lot of part-time people in our business. if you see vegas's numbers what you will see is increased
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visitation which create as lost extra workers at the hourly level. many of those are part-time. we run 6800 full-time and 3500 part time. that is basically what we were running back in 2007 and 2006. although our profitability has not increased to the 2006-2007 levels. david: very quick from both of you guys. final prognosis what the futures holds? are we going in the right direction? will we continue to go in that direction? mike, first to you. >> i don't think we can go any further direction. the existence of the federal labor laws, federal legislation, dodd-frank, all the rest, they are crumbling new opportunities for existing businesses and new opportunities for non-existing businesses. david: jim, very quickly. >> strongly agreed on dodd-frank. crippling availability of capital to small and large business and regulatory environment is getting worse, not better. david: okay. >> 1.8 trillion of expenditures a year that is just getting flushed, trying to keep up with it.
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david: guys, we've got to leave it at that. sorry to leave on a pessimistic note, mike levin, jim anthony, good to see you both. have a great independence day weekend. >> thank you. liz: he makes such a good point. can you imagine the economy would look like if we get some of that excessive regulation? david: yeah. liz: appropriate regulation, okay. david: lower tax rates. liz: how could the summer blockbuster "transformers" transform the future of the movie-making business? booming ticket sales in china might very well change the way hollywood makes and markets all movies forever. speaking of blockbusters, the wheeling and dealing on wall street is red hot this summer. we have details on the deal mania that has mergers and acquisitions market on track for a record year. how much longer does it last and how do you participate? ♪
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when folks think about wthey think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america.
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david: before you head to movie theaters this holiday weekend you might want to know about potential turning point for hollywood in general. huge summer blockbuster, "transformers". "transformers: age of extinction" is making more money in china than here in the u.s. where it was made. pulling in $134.5 million its five days, compared with 121 million here in the u.s. that is according to china movie
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media group. as variety points out, it is almost unheard of a hollywood film this size and scale to beat a stateside gross in a foreign country. the movie is breaking records for imax in china. a couple days ago the company ceo he rich gelfond ceo how transformers maker paramount carefully prepared the ground in china for this. >> paramount had premiers in hong kong. they had premiers in beijing and shanghai. the way the movie was shot, michael bay bought imax cameras into china to shoot special scenes. david: fascinating stuff. looking at a stock of paramount's parent company, viacom was up a little bit today, by a fraction of a percent. it has been doing quite well. will probably do better after these numbers are factored into it. liz: what you don't see after a big release a stock moves tiny
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bit higher. viacom has done best with that. they have done quite well. it's a blockbuster year so for for global m&a deals. reaching 17.5 trillion globally. that is the highest level in seven years -- 1.57 trillion. what is more interesting, 20 of those deals in this year have been valued more than $10 billion each? david: unbelievable. to tell is what is behind the boom and where it goes from here, jeff goldman. mesirow vice chairman and head of investment banking. wonderful to see you, jeff. let's start with a specific sector and that is pharma. there is a revolution taking place in the pharmaceutical industry. companies deal with such a specific disease. they get so focused on one thing. i wonder how this affects the m&a market for pharmas? >> it is causing portfolio reshuffling and clearly these companies want increased scale and scope. pharma is consolidating
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industry. the big want to get bigger and smaller are having trouble basically surviving. so what we're seeing are very large transactions. $50 billion plus. we saw pfizer attempted takeover of astrazeneca for over $100 billion that was thwarted. but what is driving it, as you said, is clearly the desire to basically narrow down in a specific area as well as to use significant amounts of cash that are basically trapped in foreign jurisdictions that if they come back to the u.s. and are given to shareholder, that will get taxed at u.s. rates. might as well use the money, make acquisitions to strengthen the companies. david: right. liz: jeff, let's broaden this discussion from one big company buying a slightly smaller company to what would matter to our viewers. how do they participate in 1.75 trillion in deals? what is the best way to manuever through this and cherry-pick some of the names that might be participants and make some money
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here? >> sure. well basically t sectors that have seen heightened activity. we mentioned pharma. also telecom and media has seen significant activity. we also see a lot of activity in the food sectors as well as energy. so you can basically narrow down to some of those sectors and within those sectors look for companies that may be undervalued relative to their peers in terms of how they trade on a p-e basis. particularly those that offer sufficient scale and scope that can appeal to some of the larger acquirers. david: used to be the old formula was, a company that was acquiring would go down, the company being acquired would go up. that is how you made money. focus all your attention on the company that was purchased. not necessarily true. i've seen companies buying into a smaller company and their stock goes up as well. so those old formulas are not
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working anymore, are they? >> that's a great point. we haven't seen this in over 20 years. basically shareholders of acquiring companies are voting with their feet. bidding up price, giving confidence for ceo's and boards to make more and bigger acquisitions. i think they're up on average four or 5% this year, which again is the highest level in over 20 years. liz: well from pharma to telecom to energy it has been a fascinating year. jeff, thank you so much. >> thank you. david: a whole new world. with an accident or warn people about a closed lane or flash flood in your neighborhood? don't want to tie up necessarily police emergency lines? this sort of community awareness digital site, you should know about it. it lets you share and find out information about your neighborhood. actually they're trying to make money off this thing. we'll talk to the ceo about exactly how it works and how he makes money. liz: a case of digital art imitating life? we'll tell you why actress lindsay lohan is suing popular
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while most of us might be barbecuing with family and friends safety is really always the number one priority. david: now one way to stay safe is by logging on to a new app called, visafe. it is not run by law enforcement by the community which you live. so how does it work. joining us now is the ceo peter moter. you should be able to brag about this you were an entrepreneur by training. you were in a security systems company before that. you sold that company. you got into this. you know what you're talking about. my question, how do you make money? seems like sort of a public service thing rather than a moneymaker. >> it's a place for crowdsourcing safety information. we're focusing building an audience of the more people use the platform -- david: when i hear that, that means we don't make money now but building a market and we'll make money on advertising, is that what you're doing. >> exactly. like other social media plat
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forms. liz: let's get what you do on viz safe. this is crowdsourcing community information out there so people don't bother tying up police with 911 lines, correct? it is also on the ground eyeballs. >> exactly. nothing can match power of crowd armed with smartphones. no matter how many camera or security personnel any event or location, they can't match spectators with smartphones. they're closer to the action. and they can actually serve as a valuable tool for sharing that information, not only with other members of the community but with first-responders when appropriate. david: on the other hand there are bad apples out there, that sort of crank callers, the fire alarm pullers and frankly the gossipers. sometimes trying to get after a neighbor that they don't like. so they call in. how do you weed those guys out? >> well part of the whole idea behind the community is really having the community participate in viewing and managing the content. so we have self-policing tools in our civil so people can flag
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content for abuse and we get notified immediately so that can be removed. liz: you're actually now teaming with a police department for a 4th of july parade i believe in rhode island, correct? >> exactly. liz: tell us how is this going to work. explain to people what they get if they went on the app there. >> the idea partnering with public safety organizations like police departments, fire departments and even commercial enterprises anyone who has interest in responsibility for public safety make excellent partners for us. it is more valuable when you have a broader audience using this. in order for it to being an effective tool, people have to participate, have to be engaged. our platforms allows -- liz: trying to put my mind around what it is people actually get when they went on it? be careful there, is toxic spillover here or want to avoid this intersection? this has been an accident. >> people can use this viz safe platform for picture or video. they can share that.
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it is geolocated and mapped. we have instant alert system. anybody monitoring or subscribing to that, that geofence or that target area, would get an immediate alert. david: also thinking about sports events. i would think, we just finished the world cup thankfully. so far there haven't been any or our participation in the world cup, any craziness we sometimes have with the soccer crowd. but in a sports arena this might be valuable too? >> exactly. we have a large event and large crowd of people where you have security risks but you also have safety risks. it is not just about, you know, perhaps a left object like a bag but it could be someone who is causing a ruckus in the stand. being able to send that information to security personnel, police or other members the community is really valuable, especially in real time. liz: the apis called vizsafe. peter is the guy that came up with it. david: sound fascinating. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> imagine you watched or played a popular videogame and thought to yourself, one of the down and
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out characters reminded you of yourself? would you tell anybody? would you perhaps sue the maker of the game? david: also the old adage, cry me a river was highly appropriate for one japanese politician's news conference. have you seen this? if you haven't, you want to stick around. even if you seen it before, it is, i'm afraid to say, very funny. ♪
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publisher of the game alleging "grand theft auto" used her image, voice, outfits, honey, don't be proud without asking her first. "grand theft auto v" which was launched last september generated 800 million in revenue on the very first day. she sees dollar signs i'm guessing. david: she should do so. also off the desk, one japanese politician not having a good week. after being accused misusing thousands of dollars of public money. we have to turn up the sound. i don't believe in misery, folks. how can you not laugh at this? not many words came out of the apology. mostly tears. he bawled throughout the entire three-hour event. of the not the first politician to break down publicly. house speaker john boehner cried during press conferences. nothing like this japanese guy. even president obama shed a few tears publicly. strong men do cry. well, some anyway.
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liz: what did he do? okay, we asked you on facebook and twitter if you think today's jobs numbers prove the economic recovery is strengthening? liz said not when 30% of the unemployed are long term. david: have a great weekend. >> some days are better than others at work. and this is one of those. we get down to the business of play. when cameras roll, i'm always better. golf. bowling. table tennis. this is so fun. we'll meet industry bosses that get paid to play. he actually tests the games to proximate a guy who is pretty much drunk, doesn't know what the heck he is doing. >> didn't quite say it like that. jeff: from the man who saved pinball to a golf exec making easier for someone else. the company responsible for latest innovations in table tennis. what is that? >> ball picker upper.
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