i will see you tomorrow morning. here comes the ever capable hands of lou dobbs. lou: even come everyone, russian backed rebels had shot down two more aircraft over eastern ukraine, as you can see on your screen right now, the burning remnants of what were to ukrainian fighter jet. the ukraine security council determining the aircraft was shot down just 20 miles from where the malaysian airlines flight mh17 was brought down. and the separatist group on the people's republic has claimed responsibility. and they are hunting for the

other. out of one 102. missiles were fired from russia and the claims come just hours after senior intelligence officials confirmed that other significant technologies and armaments are from russia. those officials also say that russia has given the rebels plausible deniability, supplying the very same weapons the ukrainian military uses. the u.s. state department today delivered its strongest condemnation of vladimir putin for all of the ukraine. >> and that would not be there operating without resident within the russian government and we would not be armed without the support of

of the russian government. so they could fire this without the support of presdient vladimir putin. >> former president of georgia knows many of those in the region. this former georgian president has with this attempt with us and secretary of state john kerry struggling within the effort to negotiate a cease-fire agreement between israel and hamas. the terrorist group flatly rejecting any agreement until israel opens the gaza border crossings. and you could put the hamas terrorists effectively on equal footing in these remarks. >> we had a good conversation today about how we can take further steps and we are doing

this for one simple reason. the people in the palestinian territories, the people in israel are all living under the threat of the media violence and this needs to end for everybody. >> we will be talking with deputy defense secretary paul wolfowitz tonight. house republicans announcing their plans to fix the crisis on our border and to end the influx of hundreds of thousands of immigrants into the united states. their response to ann wagner of missouri and we begin tonight with ukraine. my first guess meeting with ukrainian leadership says that they requested radar jamming and detection equipment from the united states just last month. for more on the crisis in the ukraine, i am joined by mikheil

saakashvili, president of georgia from 2004 to 013, currently senior statesman at tufts university lecture school of law and diplomacy and it's good have you with us. >> again for inviting me. >> let's begin with a request from the ukrainian government of the united states, seeking far more than what we have scene at this point. what is the feeling of the leadership in kiev? >> the ukrainians are fighting for their state, and it's also the fate of europe and they might have lots of disasters. also the western world in general and the ukrainians need assistance in any political support and they need sanctions.

lou: the idea that the united states and the obama administration isn't forthcoming with that kind of aid, that kind of assistance to a democratically elected government and an important power within the region, what is the explanation interview? >> it's a game changer because she needs to find out where these people are going. and so they were part of this. lots of people died and it's really a fight against terrorism. because first there is john cain and others and they went

to see a local separatist and when they left the congressional delegation, these guys shot one of those helicopters back then in 2007 and we were warning about this and i think it turned out right now. and so the second stories, there was a russian operative with russian military intelligence and he ordered people to blog this area and this question went so far that president obama had

to talk about this in the official state capacity and basically we have talked about this being a part of terrorism, being a part of this attack, and that went too far this time. so this time it should be a game changer. >> if it is a game changer, it is one that is being and occurring and almost silence from european leaders and there seems to be no urgency and there seems to be no outrage and there have been voices of support by the muted response at best from europe, which is most important and which has the greatest interest in the outcome of the ukrainian conflict. >> yes, as i said, imagine this.

that will be millions of refugees andes. and plus russia going further because the final goal of dimer goodness to undermine the free world. so it's all about bad news that is at stake. and he's always acting too late into little. so in the midst of this, they are trying to use dell takeover and so how can one country actsf aggressive? and this battleship in the middle of the whole thing, that

is beyond something that i can personally comprehend what any normal person can comprehend. >> when you talk about europe, we don't talk often about france or germany with any specificity. we didn't even talk about the european union because it is a government that is to with embody few principles when it comes to foreign policy and has no clear global voice. so if we are to depend on europe, the cause is lost and who has the greatest influence over the ukraine's future aside from the ukrainian people and their leadership? >> i think the world right now is looking at the united states for leadership and i think that there is tremendous potential that america has and i think some of the steps already taken have been going in the right direction because america was the first one to really target

is. russia is an economy that will function we're basically if you switch back, [inaudible] it means of the west stops they are so corrupt and inefficient and if they give them other modern things, and if the western world really goes after the asset, they keep all of this and vladimir putin's own daughter, this is not good. >> i think it's important to

remember that vladimir putin is a clever and to this point highly successful leader and not a regional but a global power given the warhead that sit atop those missiles. so my question to you is as we conclude, is there sufficient capacity within the leadership of the united states, therefore, to actually move to confront the russians and halt their ambitions militarily if need be? >> i would urge that there is a certain moment where he was acting from an aggressive interview in the last several months he has committed very few blunders and he created this whole country which is a huge country and the largest country

in europe with a very strong anti-russian, anti-imperial identity. so people had not done that, putin got carried away to something for which there is no way out. >> i understand your view that he has wandered here and i think we all have took knowledge that he now controls crimea. his forces are so on the eastern border of the ukraine and he may be the determinant force in how this is resolved. >> he has a very vulnerable regime. so if the western world but by the united states applied these sanctions, and the ukrainian

people fight back, i've been there and i've seen the soldiers and some of my friends are there. >> the ukrainians are equipping themselves very well in their conflict but the question here now is not the quality of their leadership of which they have patriotic defense of their country but the strength and the willingness of u.s. leadership to assertive elf and the ukraine. >> inodes the frontline of freedom that makes america so strong great so it's really hard but high time to stand up and i'm sure lots of people in america understand that and better sooner than later because time is running out and it might cost the world a lot of pain. so we want to avoid that. so i think that we are dealing with a situation and then as you

said there is a global power. you know, it borders don't mean anything anymore, people can do this not only from values but also the law which made america also strong and i think that everyone has to act together. lou: we hope that your confidence was well-placed as the president leaves open the question of his regard. lou: former president mikheil saakashvili. there may be turmoil in the middle east and rising tensions with russia, but president obama has no public events on his schedule as of right now. that is because the president

has spent the day raising money for democrats in san francisco and los angeles, part of his three-day west coast fund-raising tour and the optics of the visit not likely to help and new fox news poll showed today just 42% of voters approve of the job he's doing and that compares to 52% who disapproved. when it comes to individual issues, the president's approval rating is under water on each of them. the president getting his worst ratings on his handling of the mideast conflict immigration and foreign policy. particularly bruising is seven and 10 voters don't agree with the claims that they are the most open and transparent administration in history. we are coming right back. hamas says no to another cease-fire proposal, rocket still hitting israel as the

secretary of state arrives on the scene. deputy secretary of defense paul wolfowitz

lou: over the course of the past 24 hours more than 100 hamas targets have been hit by israeli defense forces and hamas has rejected another cease-fire proposal and says it will not accept a cease-fire proposal that does not make include the lifting of the gaza blockade. we are doing now for more on the conflict of the former deputy secretary of defense paul wolfowitz. it's good to have you here. >> it's nice to be back.

>> hamas is being punished severely everyday and yet rockets by the hundreds still fall in israel. what is to be done? >> i think this'll have to do with on a while further and hamas has made mistakes very clear and i'm afraid that this is a strategic interest israel and significant the israelis on the left are very critical of this administration on its settlement a rallying behind the government of this issue uniting israelis and i think that the u.s. should be taking a clear and strong stand up hamas is responsible. lou: hamas is responsible it seems as though it should be clear to everyone who is witnessing what is happening here in gaza and israel and the sequence of order of events. but the united nations, this is

an extraordinary organization and the head of the human rights council saying that there is evidence of human rights violations and war crimes, 14 of the 47 states abstained in a vote against that resolution, only united states voted against it. this is becoming a maddening and bizarre and absurd organization and its politics and its votes, is it not? >> i agree with you except i'm not sure that i would use the word coming. i think it's been this way for a long time and i can't remember if it was iran or libya to chair the human rights body and i think the fact is that if the united states takes a strong stand in support of security, we are going to be criticized in the minority, but i think it has to be done and i think frankly

we have to do that on behalf of israel and also a positive influence in a country like japan that is not taking such a stance itself but hopes that the u.s. will be strong for the support in the leadership in the future. >> ambassador john bolton question openly the decision of the part of the united states government through the faa to halt flights to tel aviv in israel, implying clearly that he saw this as a political statement on the part of the administration. what is your response? two i don't know, i don't know what the faa rules are a novice or there is a raised the issue, but it does remind me that i landed with this debbie terry secretary and at that time the rockets were coming from saddam hussein and

so by the way being in support we have extraordinary influence on the government. so i don't think the israeli government will care very much what secretary kerry says, i just think they kind of talk about how the egyptians are people with influence. lou: there is irony on that and this administration is not particularly supportive of this government insisting that the muslim brotherhood would be entertained as a participant in our government. what are your thoughts about egypt's leadership and the likelihood in any negotiation, should it come to that at some point? >> i think that they can play the role and i think there has

to be some change on the ground in one way or another and i think that it is probably something that means more people dying until hamas has been set back. interestingly it almost appears as though part of what they are trying to do is sideline itself by deserting the former ally and area, kind of left adrift and homeless because of this and they are trying to put there to themselves the situation. lou: thank you so much. >> it is time for a look at our online poll result. last night we asked which do you believe looks worse? a never ending stream of political fundraisers, or appearing on jimmy kimmel in on the midst of all this. 90% of the fundraisers raise the

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♪ lou: coming up here tonight, republicans laying out their detailed plan to end the illegal immigrant surge at our southern border and to secure that border we will be talking with congresswoman and wagner and talk radio talk-show host jon gibson and chris plant take up the latest revelations about the corruption and incompetence of irs leaders. and another obamacare scandal to talk of as well. a first, a few comments on what steps the republicans are considering now to address the

crisis on our southern border. that's right, the republicans. a group of republican lawmakers called the border working group today issued the proposal for stopping the flow of illegal immigrants across our border with mexico. they're plan would deploy the national guard to the border, amend the 2008 sex trafficking law says speedup the deportation of children from particularly central american countries, deploy more immigration judges to expedite deportation and asylum hearings and it would cost about one-and-a-half billion dollars. that's a lot of money. but it is a lot less than that of a three and a half billion dollars that president obama wants to spend. the speaker of the house is not committing to a vote on the proposal before congress leaves for its 5-week recess next friday. but to the speaker of the house, who appointed the border working

group apparently has overcome his lack of trust in the president and is now willing to give the president more than a billion dollars to deal with the crisis of obama's making. the speaker says he wants congress to act. >> i would like to act. we have a humanitarian crisis on the border that has to be dealt with. the president clearly is not going to deal with it on his own, even though he has the authority to deal with it on his own. but i do believe that the congress should act, and i am hopeful to do that. lou: so now the republican house is willing to turn over other billion and a half dollars to the president who refuses to enforce immigration laws and refuses to secure our borders and thereby brought on the crisis that will cost at least a billion and a half or as much as three and a half billion. the very same president who has

also helped in the creation and orchestration of the so-called crisis whose administration has vastly overstated the number of children who are actually crossing our borders and under reported the number of adults and families accompanying those so-called unaccompanied children and the administration has changed the way in which homeland security reports the number of people that support. they did so to suggest more people have been deported then is the case. yes, i am sure that now we can all see why the speaker and the republican house leaders would be very helpful now, even confidence president obama is the honorable man who will diligently fulfilled his constitutional duties to the nation. apparently starting soon. we are coming right back. the irs director confesses that

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♪ lou: a government investigation exposing potential for rampant fraud and abuse in obamacare. undercover investigators from the government accountability office say they were able to sign up for obamacare health coverage and subsidies using fake names and fake documents. in the 11 out of 18 efforts succeeded. those subsidies amounted to on average about $30,000 a year. our next guest is supporting some of the recommendations coming from the house border crisis working group, specifically the call to send the national guard to our southern border and to amend the 2008 sex trafficking law.

joining us now, congressman and wagner, a member of the house financial-services committee and a freshman representative to the republican elected committee and recently selected to be senior deputy whip. good to have you with us prestress wonderful to be with you. lou: congress, the speaker says, should act here. what is the basis for that action? what is necessary for the republicans to move this supplemental through? >> well, we are not going to move the supplemental upwards of $4 billion of the president has asked for. he has no plan, lou. he has exercised zero. as you and your viewers know he has not followed the law and will not he has exercised zero. follow the law as it stands presently. we're looking at a package, and this is a plan that has been put forth by some on the working group that will give a limited amount of funds, a very limited

amount of funds through the end of the year. it has completed pay-fours and offsets and will take out some of the frivolous things like playgrounds and coffee beans subsidies and things of this nature and will go first and foremost and mainly to border security, things like national guard on our border, things like the national forest, which you know, 40 percent of which have zero access to and are unprotected but revived many of the things dealing with technology and drums and surveillance. chairman mccall out of homeland security, it takes a big chunk of what he has put forward and move through committee out in terms of border security. the crux of the money will go toward securing this border. also on the prevention side we have to make sure that we amend the current 2008 trafficking victims persons act so that we can, in fact, reunite these children with their homeland and most of all adjudicate him to

drive them expeditiously. what is key here, and what the viewers understand, we are not talking about days or weeks or months to apart me. we're talking about days, weeks or months or years. we want to process and adjudicate these children and folks that have poured across the border in a very, very expeditious back to the fashion. lou: now you have about six days poor going on recess, the house. and within that time do you believe the speaker will put this legislation up for a vote? >> if we can come to an agreement within our conference because this is something that probably house republicans are going to have to move on our own. remember, the president was an agreement that the need for change in the legislation for the 2008 trafficking victim's protection act and decided that the left got to him that he would not want that amended. we are hoping that if we can get agreement with in our conference to get to the numbers we need to

that we will lead, we will exercise a plan that will first and foremost secure this border and make sure that these children are dealt with compassionately and return to to their homeland in a way that will secure us and their protection, i think, going forward also. but that is going to take a change in ala. that is going to take some amount of money, but a limited amount of money that will be paid for and offset by current appropriation. lou: senator richard shelby, the top republican on the appropriations committee in the senate, of course, says the house draft plan for one-and-a-half billion even though significant less than the president's request is still way too much money. your thoughts? >> we have not settled on a specific number just yet. i will do what we need to do and what i think the chairman and others have suggested out about the judiciary and, and security to do what we need to do to first and foremost secure this

border. this also means helping out our states. governors like governor perry stepped and send that as -- 1,000 national guard troops down to the border. we need to be partnered in that with our federal government and certainly with the kind of money that is going to be necessary to do that along with the federal land, along with the additional surveillance and technology that is needed. lou: covers woman got good to have you here. thank you so much for being with us. lou: always pleased. lou: a reminder to vote in our poll tonight, should congress give the president refuses to enforce immigration law or secure the border any more money at all to fix a problem which is of his making? vote at loudobbs.com. tweet your response to us. we are coming right back. please stay with us a come-from- behind win in the georgia gop senate runoff. new polls say that democrats are in serious trouble for the midterms. a full report coming out.

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♪ lou: senate republicans today accused the head of the environmental protection agency of trying to carry out a power grab with new proposed limits on carbon emissions from power plants. here is senator jeff sessions confronting the epa administrator today on capitol hill on the rules that would cut carbon dioxide emissions by 30%. >> the american people run this country. you don't run this country. epa does not run this country. you are accountable to the people for the best interest of this entire nation, and i think that you -- i think the congress would never approve this command that is one of the problems you face. lou: mccarthy went on to argue, the epa has the authority to regulate greenhouse gases setting a supreme court ruling last month. but a number of industry groups

are now weighing legal action in nine states -- and nine states have already sued the epa over its proposal. the head of the centers for disease control lab involved in potential exposure of more than 80 workers to anthrax has resigned. reassigned last month after the cdc announced its researchers had mishandled the deadly pathogens. since then an internal investigation revealed five separate safety lapses and over the past decade in calling anthrax, botulism, and bird flew . businessman david perdue the winner of last night's republican primary runoff for the open senate seat in georgia. perdue will now face democrat michele nine in november in a race that could decide where the democrats maintain control of the senate. a big obstacle for the democrats , the president's popularity. a new poll from a democratic

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♪ lou: joining me now, two of the country's favorite radio talk-show host, john gibson and chris plant. gentlemen, good to have you with us. the president is confronting crisis head-on. he has gotten to the west coast to raise a little money. chris, what do you think? is this leading from behind? >> it is really not leading in all. you remember, o.j. simpson was looking for the real killer on a golf course is all over america. i think barack obama is looking for solutions to the world's problems at golf courses and fund-raisers. the president has checked out. we have deadbeat dads who refuse to pay child support. we have kind of they did the president to refuses to pay attention. lou: the irs commissioner -- >> somebody, lou, someone in new

york put up a surrender flag. that is really what is going on. the president has surrendered on all of these crises from isis to the border to putin to the irs, and we are stuck with the mess. lou: and he is giving off an impression of being a very accommodating of late, not wanting to intrude on anyone who wants to cross our border, not wishing to impede apparently putin and his aspirations. and basically saying to israel, well, we know that your very existence is threatened, but we would like to have a ceasefire now. i mean, this is peculiar stuff. >> worse than that, i think that this faa halting of flights in and out of tel aviv is kind of a back door embargo against israel other european airlines

certainly, it would've like they were reckless and irresponsible. but the net effect is a great victory for hamas, a radical islamic terrorist organization and a real blow and, again, in effect -- in effect it is an embargo that president obama instigated against our ally, as a row, at this most critical time. lou: and interjecting the secretary of state into a negotiation between hamas and israel for a cease-fire, as if there are some highly equivalencies there that are rational in the minds of this administration and the u.s. government therefore instead of egypt which by most accounts, those i talked with who are expert on the region say that egypt is the rational choice for a negotiator here. your thoughts? john? >> well, you know, the secretary

of state has had a failure after failure after failure in the middle east. his particular position now, which is that the israelis should back off, seems to say, you know, go home. genentech key spots in gaza anymore and just let them shoot rockets at you. it is just not going to work. i mean, i was born two years before israel. i have watched this man to of my entire life. it is going to continue until the palestinians say, okay, we will accept you and accept this solution. right now hamas is not even close. >> you know, lou, even egypt has informed the palestinians after they blew off the last peace deal that each of progress last week, even egypt is saying the palestinian people have to get rid of hamas if there will be any movement. and to send secretary of state over there just a fail spectacularly once again and

waiting to fall down a flight of stairs getting off the airplane, the only thing that could make it worse, yet another humiliation for the united states of america. his number one priority was going to be middle east peace. he what -- he put all his eggs in that basket, and look what it has got nice. lou: with great success in the iranian nuclear talks because the administration has decided to extend those talks with a new deadline of november 204th, again part creating great unease in israel and the region because there is no progress in those talks. there is no foundation for success in those talks. let's turn to irs commissioner who, again, appears the most befuddled, annette, and uncooperative head of any agency in the federal government that i have ever witnessed. i mean, this man does not know what is going on and asserts himself as if he is in the most

sanctimonious manner for a man who is grinding of evidence, presiding over an incredible stonewall of the united states congress and the american people. your thoughts? >> you can almost hear the shredder in the background while they are speaking. this is a guy who live to the congressional committee when it was suggested that maybe the irs owes the american people and apology. he reminds me of the political leaders from my childhood. unfortunately the political leaders i have in mind were speaking russian in my childhood his gastrectomy as the ultimate bureaucrat apparatchiks, and he is not serving the best interest of the american people. i call that a generous understatement. i did not believe a word he says. lou: you get the last word. >> you know, he is doing his job that job is to cover it up, and the more befuddled he seems that

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