neil: think quick. what is difference between isis and al qaeda? isis has money, i'm talking 2 billion bucks worth of money. it generates 2 billion more bucks a day, every day. so i want to think al qaeda on steroids, then, we remember 9/11? that havoc cost about a half million bucks to pull off. no wonder former 9/11 co-chair tom kaine was telling me he was

so worried about isis. >> this agency is present and past, they are scared. neil: because of that money, not just because isis is barbaric but they run it like a business. i am neil cavuto. we don't know how isis came upon all that money. we know that ransoms play a big part, we may not pay them ourselves. but we know that other country do, it is how isis does business. my next guest is right, we would be wise to follow that money, what makes isis so scarey is that money. and what they can do and are planning to do with that money. tom croche, navy reserve commander, very good to have you. how did they get billions? >> this is not new, terrorist

organizations use all ca tactics that we've seen from kidnappings, ransoms and hostage taking and exporting the -- extorting the population of that country. this is one single area that we we have seen, an organized force that is now well funded, they have achieveed all they have been trying to achieve for last 13 years we've been at war with them, the money they are taking from oil fields and population, and support they get, with facilitation and long gistics to accomplish what they have been able to do is overwhelming and astounding. >> talking about their cash fl flow. i know the mother of this latest

hostage, wants to us go into a deal to free her child. >> as a mother, i ask the justice to be merciful, not punish my son, he mas no control over, i want what every mother wants to live to see her children's children, i bleed you plead with you to grand me this. neil: your argument in, we don't pay ransom, we look for other ways to get them out, but this is a slippery slope. >> it is a dangerous industry, we have seen that with somali pirates. what they have done with maritime shipping. but also, they do in local population, in iraq and afghanistan. they use extortion and kidnapping and ransom some finance localizeed operations. the taliban use this tax i tactd we see it in iraq.

they do it with local population, as well as westerners. neil: if they did not get this money, where would they be? >> they are well-funded through states that support terrorism in the region. neil: how can you follow that money? >> the u.s. government has become pretty good at it post 9/11. we have many assets within the department of defense and department of ros treasury who k on a daily basis to figure it out, you need cooperation from the gulf states. neil: are we seeing signs of that egypt and united arab emirates are reportedly bombing targets in syria, they have not always been close buddies but they seem to be on the same page, with isis, that is say bigger threat than their squabbles. >> this is what we were fighting to prevent for 13 years.

an islamic terrorist group in middle east from this plo mobil. neil: or becoming a state. >> and from coalescing to something that is formidable, well financeed and adapt ed to our training and procedures, they have adapted to what is going on in iraq. the lack of u.s. present, that is why you see concern from their arab neighbors. neil: where are they getting these drones? >> they borrow and steal, we have other partners in the region who have western technology and their own technology. and i have no doubt, they are also helping. this is something that we should watch carefully. but if you want the technology, you can buy it on-line. you can get it at a toy store. neil: but if they have all this money, they must be planing to do something with it?

something bigger than 9/11? >> certainly, since september 11, 2001, former president, his naitonal security team, and current president have understand that there something coming. i believe and certainly president bush and his nasal security team always said, it is not just a matter of if but when. neil: bigger than 9/11? >> there is no way to tell, we're all sensitive, in new york and long island, to what happened in 9/11. but i thinkt causes that defsteugz devastation and s that vulnerability in the american cycy is devastating. whether it is mass kwasualty or mass casualty or terrifies americans. wwe have a lot of hard working

personnel who work very hard every day and lose sleep to prevent that. but we also have to have successes in the away game to prevent it from coming here. neil: right now it is still an away game? >> yes. neil: commander thank you. they are not just well funded, isis is web savvy, they are spreading terror on twitter. after this. unlimited cash back. let that phrase sit with you for a second. unlimited. as in, no limits on your hard-earned cash back. as in no more dealing with those rotating categories.

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neil: isis using hash tag, steven's head and obama hams, reading that. these messages among many others from isis popping up all over social media. should there be something that social media could do to stop it? fox biz all-stars. scott? >> it is scary. you think about proliferation of

soberal media -- social media and use to spread hate, and intimidate, and recruit. think about the eyeballs they are gets, the misguided kids that read this or a disgruntled adult, said, i have an identification with these guys, that is what the scary thing is. what the social media networks and outlet do to prevent it they can't do much. >> they can delete accounts but you know these terrorists are very savvy. this like millennials in their rank and file, they know how to utilize sophisticateed methods to permiate the internet to the social platforms. neil: todo the sites know the source of this material. >> law enforcement contends they possibly do. is twit are a news -- twitter a

news feed or a virtual town square? i would arg you it is a verdictial town square. we have hate talk, we have seen facebook rejigger theal that risthe --algorithm. you have to say, they are so deep into this social media site. neil: if they have free access to do what they want for a limited time, even with some videos. it was not until later that a lot of the sites stopped showing it. or removed it. but damage was done. so scott. it seems that any ill thinking terrorist knows he or she has a 48 hour period to pound out that message. >> and that message gets well received. we are talks the big media sites

there is live leak, and a lot of other sites the kids, the sites that kids go to, to circumvent their plans, the ways that kids get on-line, that are out there to avoid you, finding out what they are doing. this is the same thing that the terrorists are doing, they use other sites that are off the radar but still seen by eyeballs. >> cross tags is key, with popular hash tagging. neil: can you do that, ferguson was a big deal last week, you hash tag anything to ferguson? >> that is how contend gets untethered. neil: i am last person in about controlling content on the internet but is there a way to over see that? >> twitter is a business, they don't get a lot of a revenue

from overseas. so i tell you, they get a lot of monthly active users, majority are overseas, but it will hurt twitter's business to senator this? -- sensor this? it could alienate other users who see this, they don't' it. neil: what would you do? >> they have a corporate social responsibility, they could leave it alone, otherwise their brand will be tied to terrorism, they have to step up their game. neil: how do you stop it, remove tieing to hash tags. >> you can't, there is a degree where they only have so much control. photos, and videos, and hash tags and text, it gets untellingered, they -- untethered, they are limited to what they can do. this is no longer the image of a terrorist hiding out in the caves of afghanistan. now it is a corporate entity,

with millennials working from laptops all over the world. neil: scary stuff, thank you very much. >> forget about whether or not president obama grants millions of illegals amnesty, california governor brown, legal seeing never before has this kind of passion, this kind of innovation, engineering, design and performance... been available... for this kind of price. the 2014 cla from mercedes-benz. see your authorized dealer for exceptional offers through mercedes-benz financial services.

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neil: next, in a an event with president of mexico, jerry brown, telling all mex hec mexiu are all welcome to california. to former california governor gray davis, the impression was

that governor did not distinguish between legal or illegal? >> i recognize something i was raised to believe, that is we're all god's children. and each of us have a spark of devinty, is entitleed to report and dignity, i welcomed president of mexico to come first time in 50 years work had trade missions every year, we went from mexico our second largest trading partner to largest. they consume 17% of our exports, if you welcome people, and that spirit i don' i don't think thae can find fault. >> are a good man, and i fell that way through a number of crises, when you were running california. but i think on this matter with the greatest respect, you are naive. because this is same leader, who was giving us lectures on our

immigration policies, and bashing us for the problem. there might be some stru strulgo some of that, about --? truth to some of that, but governor brown said nothing in response to that? >> well, let's get to fundamental problem, a. is om, problem is we have a broken immigration system. and congress refuseing to fix it. notwithstanding a good faith effort by republican senators and democratic senators passing a good bill that did not go anywhere in the house, we have these contradicts, you are not supposeed to work if you are here illegally, but you are supposed to pay taxes, how does that work? and californiaing a, 75 percent 75 -- agriculture. neil: i understand that. >> i am trying to mention. neil: you said, that should be a a little bit of devinty, but

whatever the number is, that is a lot do go around, so many dollars to go around, when -- >> let me just talk about dollars, california -- estimateed that 2012, 300 million dollars in economic value of contributeed by people here that are here illegally. 2.7 billion of taxes were paid, 95% of economists here according to california - en i doment endt would be good for america and the economy growth. if you want to talk dollars and cent that is a strong argument for those here now. neil: okay with president poiseed to maybe delay or cancel deporting 5 million illegals here, doesn't that provide green

light for others who are considering doing the same? >> first, i have no idea what the president is going to do, i thought his first action to protect dreamers who were brought here as children made sense. but if congress does not like what he does, or is about to do, he should do their job, and fix the law. neil: all right, two sides to this argument, they are same who say, president is not doing his responsibility with fixing this immigration mess, he is not so big on enforcement at the border, are you? >> there is no president in the last 50 years that deported more people here illegally than president obama. none. the border today is -- >> illegal population is bigger than when he took office. >> i'm saying he is doing more than his predecessors did, and border is more secure, i went down about den years ago -- 10

year ago on a saturday night, about 4,000 people pass. border is more secure. neil: in southern part of your state they built a wall. >> right. neil: that is the answer. >> part of congressional retirement. neil: president obama said a wall is not the answer. >> it means secures border. neil: does this mean a wall? >> it means whatever homeland security thinks works whether a wall or electronic wall or both, but some sense of security, so we're not indated with people however we need to find a path to citizenship for the 11 million people already here, already contributeing to the economy, and paying taxes. neil: you are not afraid that number will grow. >> not if we secure border and make an effort to allow people who are coming here legally to stay at 41 line front front of , no. >> okay, always good having you

on. >> thank you, neil. neil: meanwhile, under fire over underwear? did see this. why this ad campaign has a lot of women not too happy.

neil: dear kate, not so dear, clothing company getting a lot of backlash over this underwear ad campaign, your thoughts on features women in their skivvies. >> it makes everyone fine. >> i don't see anything wrong with the ad. >> not just all skinny girls in underwear, they look comfortable and nene. confident. >> why shouldn't heavy people be

able to wear underwear. >> we're more open mineed now. thait is time to be advertiseed. >> this product or this brand can fit different size women equally, girl power, you go, girl. neil: to marjorie clifton who finds this ad problematic, and sarah said it is in good fun, marjorie, what do you mean problematic? >> i think intend is great, lifting up an important topic that is lack of women in technology, and power of leadership for women, the diversity of body type, color are great, but problematic part is optics of the ad, i do a lot of work with company on diversity, one thing i hear from women, challenges of harassment,

problem with this ad, women sitting in underwear in office setting, how seriously we're supposed to take them, if we're trying to sep a these issues -- separate those issues. underwear might not be right vehicle to do that. neil: i'm looking at this, i know you said, you don't fine it too judgmental, i think it is stupid. >> it is not brilliant, i will give you that. not most ground breaking ad. neil: how does this help women? we'll assume they are smart and good. >> i think reverse, not helping women but the product, it says that, powerful women, who are ceos can be underwear models, you don't have be to there for men to look at her, look at women who do strong powerful things. neil: if all women were hideous in this picture. >> that is a sexist statement. neil: it is, but if i was in there with a bunch of hunks.

>> male ceo could not do this it would take too long to get waxed. >> you see what i mean. is this feeding a different narrative? that women are going to be greater than that picture? as sex objects? >> i think that challenge here is the setting in way it is done, beauty did a campaign as well, talked about different body sizes and shapes but this say professionaly focused ad, women in a work setting, i think that challenge in technology field, where 35% of graduates and science technology, engineers and math are women, that is a decreasing number. if we're trying to highlight open powerment of women, having them in their unwear, whether they mean to our not, you are a sec object in our under -- sex object in your underwear. >> that is not true. neil: you say we're geting too worked up over this, remember,

marisa did that -- i thought if women want to be seen the same as men, does that hurt you? >> it does not, some male tech executive did a joe boxer's ad, why do we not look at them, and say you put yourself down, we don't because it is a double standard. neil: have you no problem as a woman seeing women in a professional vein looked at in their skivvies at work. >> no, it is us that needs to be changed, they it is us looking at them as objects, they should not be looked azmat tazhayakov bat as objects.neil: i am sayinu doing there in your underwear? >> right, and you look. i think that, natural for a woman to' to feel beautiful, no matter ho how they look or shapr size, it should be true for men. for better or worse, reality of you know, who we're as humans

and men and women, it we're looking add differently, women are having in some ways to over compensate to work harder to appear professional and be appreciated for our minds. neil: battle i fight every day. >> people down look the a for your mind. neil: amazing. >> you know the struggle. neil: i share the pain, thank you, so much very much. >> this is interesting ad campaign. >> it is. neil: senate republicans looking to win majority with a video game? this one just struck me as strange. but it could be like underwear thing.

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neil: they say size matters, but is a bigger ipad going to be apple's only big surprise. we'll tell you in a few minutes.

but first president obama pushing for more funding for export/import bank. president obama said it is needed to create jobs, but in 2008, he said this. >> there are some programs have been duplicateed by other programs that we just need to cut back, like waste of the economic development agency, and export/import bank that has become little more than a fund for corporate welfare. neil: he likes it, he doesn't like it, he is back to liking it. congressman, many business types of tell you. they need to have it you say? >> i say a couple things, i

don't think it is smart or fair to have a small export credit bow took facility that -- boutique facility that benefits a handful of fortune 500 companies. you can't make the case, if you believe in double entry accounting that the bank creates jobs. as one economist in george mason put it, for every job they create in the export industry we lose another job, every job at boeing, delta will tell you they are lose a job. and american taxpayers, help support deltacom petors, as xh helps a turkish oil refineo it hurts valero energy, i could go on. neil: europ european's airbus tt looks after its interest at expense of a boeing, what do you

say? >> i know that. you know we could get into a tax payer subsidy race to the bottom. just because other taxpayers in europe or other industrializeed nations choose to somehow support or subsidize their export does not mean our taxpayers have to do the same thing, there are many ways we can level the playing feel, national association of manufacturer will tell you half of our competitive disadvantage comes from the fact that as you know, we have the highest single corporate tax rate, of the industryizeed world. if we are going to level the playing field, bring that down. according to u.s. chamber of commerce we have almost 2.5 times liability exposure, bottom line is we could make our businesses more competitive through freedom and opportunity

and lower regulations, or through subsidy, and guarantee, i'm not subsidy, and guarantee guy. neil: that makes sense. you mentioned about companies being competitive. what do you make of latest burg king tim hortons deal? said that it not for tax reasons, but tax rate will still be the same. but, administration has pounded companies, not this particular one because barron's bus warrens behind it, what do you say? >> i don't think all of situation with burger king. but i say for over 200 years be enterprises have wanted to come to america, and access to our market, now under these policies that bong put, they are try -- obama administration put in they are trying to leave, that is the great tragedy, we're no longer

competitive. they are voting with their fight, we need to do -- with their feet, we need to ensure we have a fair, flatter simpler more competitive tax code. that is what economic patriotism is about. i don't know details of burger king is considering. neil: you should try t the doube whopper. >> i do have my favorite. neil: your name comes up as a future you know big leader, beyond what you already are, maybe next speaker of the house, what do you think? >> always flattering to have your name mentioned. i guess they don't like me if they are trying to force me into this particular job. right now, a republican congress congressman, i am concerned about the november elect in front of us. neil: they don't bli flip over mr. boehner but they like you. >> i don't think this is mart

for republican to be talking about leadership elections, the speaker has a tough job, i expect and hope i will be chairman of house financial services committee. neil: not challenges him. assumeing that republicans -- you would not challenge him? >> i hope and expect to be chairman of financial services committee, in next congress, i will always seek out opportunities to work for freedom and tune in help the flight of the common working man that is what i'm about. neil: that is a very politically correct answer, i appreciate it. >> thank you. neil: all right, a bigger ipad? huge. that is not all. we cut to apple's core, after this. when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america.

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neil: there must be something going on right now, apple stock, all-time high again, and news, latest could be a number of big things, an ipad with a 12.9 screen next year, but a source is reporting a iwatch is coming. they are big. back with our all-stars, liz, mark and scott. do you think this will move? >> well, in june, people watch average one hour, and 23 minutes of video on their smartphones, average in a month. you watch video contend that much, in a month on this, or a laptop, you know, on tablet,

then apple have to cut into these segments, they had createed a tablet market, they lost 30% of market share in a year between 2012, and 2013. neil: tablet. >> this that tablet segment, they have to get back in the game. neil: wouldn't they cannibalize themselves on this. >> this will crash if it falls on the ground. neil: it shatters into a million pieces. >> all of the time, screen shatters it is annoying, if they time it irk time -- irk time, comitime, comeon, they have to k nice, and sleek not a fig newton on your wrist. >> they have to get into new

segment and devices. >> tablet market is a lost leader, apple earnings tablets have been a disappointment. size does matter, i think that smaller is better, it is is -- curious why they would make a bigger one. neil: i am wondering -- i should disclose i own apple. to just like, july 4 end of fireworks just, you know explosion of them, they don't really do themselves any good? >> that might be true, now one thing they have going for them, of late is apple is cool again, to our points stock is as well. a lot of people hold it, however they deliver the message, their products will get sold, a lot of young people are still buying them. neil: would you based on just when you hear, of all new devices iwatch or whatever

itime? >> irk time. irk time. -- irk time, you think that anyone of these could do the trick. >> have you devoteed loyal supporters of the ios is platform. neil: isn't that about a samsung, they acknowledge a bigger screen, a shot of the -- >> there are certainly less and less differences overtime, they have to find a way to distinguish themselves. they have to tab into these segments. >> all right, liz to you on this, a different hig high-tech item, republican party, looking to win this with a video game, republican releasing mission majority, on-line game features an elephant trying to win back senate, smashing through red

tape, it looks stupid. >> i think it is funny, for the 20 somethings, learning curve is steep for millennial they don't understand what the government does. >> you are too serious for my question. you find this funny? >> i think it is funny, and smart, they grab names and e-mail addresses when you log on. g.o.p., republican will grap your name, you can only play if you offer up personal names and e-mails. neil: who is this tracking though? >> millennials. >> i don't know, this is a 8-bit game, a knockoff game from a smurf game, you could have had halo, grand theft auto, or madden football, can you imagine hillary clinton as quarterback. chris christie as fullback, and paul rin ryan at tight end. neil: thank you.

joan of adid not get that one. >> they are trying young people are disgruntleed in this economy, they use gaming a lot. neil: and further -- >> you know,. neil: do they want that. >> amazon paying a billion for -- >> gaming is huge, a silly popblg game, they coulponggame . neil: this sudden a ad. >> a game. >> to catch data information. neil: did you know this is a settle message. >> no, you have to go through stages. keep playing to know the game. >> they would be better off releasing a new line of golf gear, like golf balls with president obama's face on there. neil: there you go. what is deal with ann romney dragging me into this ice bucket challenge, i was away, out of

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neil: what's at deal neil. >> what is the deal with ann romney dragging me into an ice bucket challenge,. >> my good friends diane sawyer, and neil cavuto. you have two hour 24 hours to complete this challenge. with multiple sclerosis to fine cures. -- find cures. neil: better you know that me, i was away last week when she first challengeed me, in case you thought that i would take the bucket, sorry, i cut her a check. i did not want to mess up my perfect hair.

and i didn't' to get wet my genuine polly esther suit, but mitt. >> i have help from my friend. buddy how are you. >> good. that is cold. >> i love that, tie remained perfect. dave in philadelphia disappointed. >> neil, you look like a big wuss. your viewers would love to see your cheap suit get wet, i would love to see you stop writing, i suspect your helmet hair would not budge. >> seems to suspect cold water might do me some good. you stamer quite a bit, when you interview someone, could you work on it. you annoy me, are you aware of

that, there are other business shows you could be watching. could you work on changing channels? >> and thank you for the continued stupidly. >> i think you men continued stupid ity but thank you. >> thank god for linda i missed you. robert, my good buddy stew warlt art varney. if he is so smart, he would be rich, not have to work. he loves nose rightty as you all do. with kissing ass for somewhere. do you not understand the world no, none of you do, i like you and hannity the rest suck. you are all over the map, i don't know where you are coming from, you leave stewart alone.

>> so good to see you back. hope all is good, where do we go from here? then v.a. isaid no problem, those reports of vets dying because of bad or tardy service, no way. do you believe ig report, do you believe in santa claus? and easter bunny? inspector general offices are only as good as agencies they serve. then what housing slowdown, not happening, she is out to lunch, never fail to amyself me when i hear a realtor say the market is slowing, because of 20% down payment is required.

she is not doing any famouss by reporting such fictitious statements. why square people? -- why scare people. well, i had no idea of this stuff you said. bruce, sees a trend in my reporting. you love to frighten us. whether in ebola or isis or housing, it is doom and gloom. you are a miser infear mongering ing creep. >> i know panic sells but what happened to your soul? i guess i sold it. why are you so arrogant? you act like you live in a glass

house that can't be broken, making jokes is not your calling, i will continue avoiding your show, do, but you say you will continue to avoid it. so me thinks you are watching me in the first place. then there is travis, there once was a guy named neil -- you know that is a little snide, and a lot mean but very witty and creative, i wish you would

remain a viewer, you are carping, and nasty, there is a certain edge to you, that i like. l do it for tonight.ng for now. kennedy.unconvinceed joining isw devil worshipper. we're now hearing perhaps 300 other americans have fallen in the same brand of fe. i want continued to mind so the, how well adjusted people can be hypnotized by a losing prospect, my worry is you will never be able to kill them all. we would belieing if we said that cycle was not self perpetuating, highway do