dobbs next. lou: good evening we have a lot to cover, president today stepping forward to lead fight against terrorist group islamic state. president obama's decisive words after the pentagon issued 3 positions over a period of 4 days following murder of american journalist james foley last week. here is president obama today addressing the americanly stkpwropb convention in charlotte, for obama warned terrorists who target this country, and our interests abroad of america's military might. >> as commander in chief, security of the american people is my high of priority with

brutal terrorist group in iraq. i have thundershowered our diplomat -- i have authorizeed our military and advisors who are there. america does not forget our reach is long. we are patience, justice will be done, we have proved time and again we'll do what is necessary to capture those who harm americans. go afternoon those who harm americans. we'll continue to take direct act where needed to protect our people. and to defend our homeland. lou: badge has been -- the obama administration has been subject of strong cretis criticism for g position on u.s. military and response to threat. defense secretary hagel called islamic state a imminent threat last week. while joint chiefs chair general martin dempsey, called for action in syria.

dempsey walked those statement back sunday and yesterday. dempsey has decided islamic state is quote a regional threat, no longer recommends airstrikes against those target in syria. while president obama did not rule out action in syria today, he made it clear he will not commit our troops to the fight in iraq. this despite more than a thousand of or on the ground there. protecting u.s. facilities including the economy and training for iraqi troop, department of homeland security and fbi today warning of retaliation by islamic state sympathizeers here in america, for more on the latest threat, we're joined by fox news middle east terrorism analystd walid phares. great to have you here. >> thank you. lou: let's start with this assessment bys department of homeland security.

talking about to local law enforcingment, be careful, there may be terrorists. how helpful is that to local police? you would assume they were being careful to begin with. >> that would be helpful but we need to do more they need to enforce local enforcement as to whom we're expecting, isis is note most recent threat there have been others, not that isising bridge more people across the border, thigh already have people, they have jihadists in u.s., close to 60 attempts after last few years, three were bloody. this is where we should be looking. what is happening that jihadists, or groups inside of u.s. are looking at what isis is doing, they think this successful,ny are switching to isis, they were supportive of al qaeda but now they move to the

other side. >> and these lone wolves, they are talking about radical islamists? >> they are, this whole thing since 2009 that bureaucracy under instruct from the obama administration don't talk about ideology, don't talk about jihadism, we're the only ones in the world, everyone in the world talled them stkwraoe hadists but jihadist except in washington d.c., they have to say it so our lauren force am will -- law enforcement knows what they are dealing with. with. lou: they refuse to say these are radical islamic terrorists, and instead, coined expression a war on terror rather than

radical islamists this is befuddleing and unhelpful. >> right, in last 2 years, the second bush administration it was difficult, by then bureaucracy of decision makers, midterm elections we need to tkhaefrpblg, but before, that you are right, the title was war on terror, terror is not an ideology this is a method. we need to do a major reform on the issue. lou: the islamic state, there is no concern about confuseing the islamic state with islam or muslims that political correctness is going away in the face of barberism that is being committed in the name of the islamic state, the islamic state is not clearly defined as a priority, a target, president said contain isis or the islamic state, but not said destroy it

will anything other than destruction resolve the conflict between that group and the radical islamics and western civilization. >> shortage ser is no. -- answer is no, longer circumstance if we stop them, and try to contain them here and there with air power we can do. what is going to happen they will grow, they are growing fast. and they will go beyond the borders, and they will activate their cells in western europe, and central europe and the united states only clear choice is, we need to destroy it, we need strategys. we need an architecture beyond the draw. >> united states, france, germany, all criticizeing uae.

your thoughts? >> it happens that most of western liberal democracy in this case are wrong. because event and uae and saudi arabia and jordan they have been threatened by the gee hatists who are fighting on the ground, jordan has border with saudi arabia and isis, they know what they are doing. we should stay, it is wrong to strike against the milesisha. >> did you dr. walid farris. >> thank you. >> chocking self. in -- shocking development in irs can stkal, loi scandal, lois e-mails are not disappeared after all.

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lou: mexicoy president on a two day visit to california, he was welcome with open arms by governor brown, in a speech, the president criticized u.s., ands states that cracked down on illegal immigration, spoke ofed need for immigration reform in the united states, nieto did not mention one sarge i sergeant anw tahmorressi. wono one asked him, the afghan r veteran has been locked in a mexican jail for 141 days without a mention from presidet obama or president nieto. >> according to a watch request,

they claim all government computer records are backed up. same attorneys now claim that back up system is quote too own ruse to search. -- onerous to search, and a second shows that lerner's blackberry was wiped clean. and removed as scrap for disposal in june of 2012. joining us now sheryl atkinson. these are becoming now insulting to the intelligence of the congress, the american people, how can it continue on like this? >> i think without the help of the court in this judicial watch face it might have gone on forever, there is a chance that judge will seriously make

federal government look at answers it has given hole their feet to the fire, department of justice, of representing the irs, in this phone call, defending irs in court, in civil case with judicial watch suing them, the department of justice is also investigating the irs, it is supposed to conduct a fair and impartial investigation, and defending irs in court on tor hanother hand on missing documet cases there is a conflict of interest. lou: you point-out. in a one of your op-eds that andrew stal stalka is now part f justice deputy tax division, he used to work with lois lerner. that has a certain appearance too? >> yes, there are several players at the justice deputy

who have alleged conflicts of interest in this guest vague in. he thanked her for help he had given her and time he worked in her division. he also according to documents of part of a discuss about focusing on tea party cases, there some are document that lend to idea he could have been a part of that scandal all together. that is allegation from republicans on house oversight, they once again asked eric holder to appoint a special council to get at this investigation rather than himself to avoid the appearance of a conflict. lou: going to that issue of a special council investigator, i don't know that anyone would have much confidence in anyone

appointed by this attorney general in the obama justice department, i mean everywhere we turn. there seems to be an obama appointee who is effectively blocking the progress for the search for truth. without judicial watch, without oversight commity in particular. we would not know what the hell is going on in this government at all, would we? >> perhaps not, it is hard to say how a special count would durturn out, to your points when irs commissioner was brought in to we were told get at the bottom of things. based on his actions in testimony to congress, it seems those his edict was more about protecting irs not necessarily getting to the truth. his testimony to congress has proven to be inaccuracies, on more than one occasion, it is hard to know whether he does not know the truth, has not been

fully briefed or something else, but that speaks to what you said. lou: sheryl we appreciate you being with us. >> thank you. lou: up next, by commentary on obama administration obama administration and a deepening racial divide, that is next.

lou: a few comments on a development that occurred today in ferguson, missouri, a community that is struggling. in outrage of what is political exploiting of the incident by everyone from president to the state's governor to reverendal haralsharpton. we the public, don't know whether the evidence suggests that michael brown attacked a police officer that the policeman fireed in self-defense or whether michael brown was surrendering to a policeman who over reacted and shot him or some other possibility not publipublicly consider, right na missouri grand jury is hearing evidence in the case, a unusual

parallel investigation is underway. the president sense attorney general holder to ferguson, it is unclear what he accomplished, but to appear to put his thumb or his right-hand on the scale. president, and his attorney general, were willing to deepen racial divide in ferguson rather than take opportunity to seize the punthe opportunity to narrot divide with true leadership, come path for a community and compassion for the community and the ethe en entire country. and in which so many were as willing as president to assume that officer wilson shot and kill michael brown because wilson is white, and brown was black. and now, sharpton was a

controversial choice of speaker to eulogize brown, but sharpton criticized police some police tactics and education policies but then he did something unexpected today. he spoke about personal responsibility without calling it such. he talked about dignity and independence without calling it such, and was not accepting violence as part of the black urban culture without calling it such. >> what does god require, we got to be straight up in our community too. we have to be outrageed that a 9-year-old girl killed in chicago. we have to be outrageed by our disrespect for each other. i dis-- our disregard of each

other, our killing and shooting and running around, and gun out toteing each other, so they try to come at aus because some of us alike the definition of blackness is how low you can go. blackness has never been about being a jiang ster or a thug -- gangster or a thug blackness was no matter how low we was push down we rose up anyhow. lou: he rose up today in my opinion those few words were most important words spoken by any of those who made their way to ferguson. i hope the nation heard his words. >> marco rubio said that amnesty plan he helped push through senate last year is no good, he now supports the house incremental plan, we take this

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i have a fear he is probably going to do something similar. lou: do you fire it because you -- fear it because you think he will get away with it? >> yeah, you know the first one dreamer direct was of june 2012. he has been getting away with it i represent 1 10 i.r.s. agents e have sued him, we is ordering i.c.e. agents to break the law, the wheels of justice grind slowly. lou: i have to ask you, the wheels of justice are not grinding at all, this is a joke, we are talking urgency and immediacy in terms of need are in judgments and resolution. and american justice system looks like some sort of a third rate apparatus. this is a joke.

>> you know, i think our founding fathers never envisioned we would have an executive wh who so brazen in ignoring the law. if you have someone willing to ignore laws as in 19 different many different areas as this current president, our april 3 courts -- article 3 courts, thigh are not equipped to deal with this lawlessness. it takes so much time. lou: our constitution cannot stand up to a modern test of time as well as law. what in the humanitaria hell aro do? >> we don't have a lot of option, one take him to court, impeachment is another one, that does not look like it would happen. lou: everyone wants joe bidening to president that is brilliant. >> yeah. and third is congress to exercise power of the purse. congress would actually, say,

mr. president, we're taking away all of the money from your department if you continue to alike this so lawlessly. lou: marco rubio. famous former "gang of 8" member, now talking to president saying don't do it and talking about fact that house incremental approach is the right way to go. which i have supported for two years, your thoughts about that conversion of rub rubio? >> well, marco -- i mean it is great he is no longer supporting senate amnesty bill, he has been converting back and forth for a while, i don't know where he is on it but bottom line, incrementalism is fine. as long as it does not lead step by step to appest iny. -- amnesty. by the way, you know this, current surge of illegal ill aliens from central america is because

of the june 2012 president amnesty, when you send a signal, people come. lou: chris, always good to talk with you thank you so much. >> like wise. lou: leading forensic pathologist, who conducts autopsys ons on dr. martin luthr king jr., and john f. kennedy, he tells us about a substance found on the 18-year-old's blood stream that could have affected his behavior, he will join us next.

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lou: our next guest conducted one of the three autopsys performed on michael brown, joining us now forensic scientist in new york city. testified in murder trials of o.j. simpson.

a fox news contributor great to have you here. >> good to see new this is charged a case as i think we've seen for some time. >> yes. lou: is it interfereing with ability to gather evidence? >> sure part of the problem is people see what happened in their own perspective, if there were an auto accident in front of fox, and you have 5 people there, that have 5 different versions of what happened without bias. when you have a whole building of basis any time someone dies in a police confrontation, you can expect upset by family, and community. the feeling that medical kp-fpl inis jusexamineer is part of the deputy cover-up, that is why the family wanted a second or third

autopsy. lou: medical examine. >> a fine number one forensic pathologisologist. lou: and you are one of most highly regarded. in modern history, you are second to be brought in. now attorney general steps forward and wants a third why? >> well, family wanted a second autopsy they did not trust first, i suspect that all three of us will have pretty. the same findings in this matter. the -- they wanted the justice department and the justice deputy decideed they are going to get involved. it gives it more gravitas, if family expects favorable results from these investigation, and fact that justice deputy and fbi are involved will give it more

meaning. lou: you conducted yours, what was the family's first question to you? >> first question, 8 days after the death, was doctor, did he suffer pain when he died? that is o commonly asked. in this instance, 6 bullets struck the young man. only one caused his death, that was a wound to the head, head and brain. but, in other question was, they knew he was shot, they wanted to know how many times, they had not been told for 8 days, that is a reason that fueled the distrust that the family had for governmental agencies. lou: you answered that. and it is 6 shots? >> 6 bullet struck.

-- the young man, and he did not have any pain once the bullet struck the head, he clapped and he was not in pain for suffering. lou: in our up on on the see -- autopsy, what did you find of greatest interest to the public who is concerned about the police department. conduct? response of the government. and governor on all sides. >> you know in a situation like this, the autopsy is like another piece of forensic evidence, there is one that the car, there is evidence from clothing, and evidence from the autopsy, then also different eyewitnesss with varying stories. the autopsy will show possible ways in which he was standing.

how he was when the shots were fireed. but we can't do it only on the base of autopsy, you have to incorporate all other evidence. lou: toxicology. >> that will be of help there is some leak maybe there was marijuana onboard, that has not been officially released, if he had marijuana that would be irrelevant to what happened but if he had other drugs with it, that could be a points he was acting bizarrely. lou: and could -- to be clear, you can't share that with us because. >> i don't know that. you see first autopsy they moved blood, and sent it to a toxicology, but it has not been released. it will be. >> was there any evidence in your as a result of your work, suggestions anything apart from

when we've been reports in national media or has been asserted by police department? >> no. i think that in general, the number of bullet wounds is -- we don't know how many blunts were fireed -- bullets were fireed. >> i notice you clarified my statement about shots and refered to bullets. >> bullets that three were in the body, 3 went through the body. we don't know how many were fireed. it is always dangerous to fire in a crowded place or public. and fortunate and lucky nobody else was injured. as often happens in new york city a little bit ago. lou: doctor thank you. >> thank you, lou. lou: and i must say, as fast and hard as you traveled and you are working you look great. >> thank you very much. >> up next. the kiss and make up session that was not going according to

script. best selling a -- author ed klein will join us we vealing hilhillary clinton's attack on president obama.

lou: our next guest said that hillary clinton did not hug it out with president obama on martha's vineyard last week, it was a more 10 encounter than -- more tense encounter than we were led to believe. joining us now. author -- clinton versus obama, the idea they would hug. >> that was a nonstarter.

>> she seems committed to running. she could still pullb make adjustments but, the more she attacks obama the more likely she seems she would be a candidate. pages that she is to memorize. that is what she is good at to memorize but when she gives them out and talks it does not sound like it is coming from her heart but that she is just repeating words bill puts into her mouth. lou: her lead in the polls looking at potential candidates, is she compelled

to run after looking at these numbers like people like chris christie think of staffing back -- stepping back? >> chris christie is a very of running despite the scandals with financial backers urging him to keep going that he is the most likely candidate to beat the living clinton. he has the connection with an audience that she can ever possibly achieve. lou: and chris christie the money seems to still be there. hell of a clinton still has a ld over the of

front-runners even rand paul we see some encroachment by him. >> i was talking to the very republicans you just mentioned that went from chris christie then they went to jeb bush now mitt romney but their heart is really with chris christie because they think he has the charisma and the connection to overcome the scandals. lou: but can he? >> no. i don't think he can't. lou: as we watch these candidates.

>> i find interesting the president and rand paul i'm

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>> i think it is a little late to the game but he is catching up. but i think what he said yesterday, is what needs to be said, which is. that black crime and accept an of crime by so many in the black

community and glorifying criminals in terps of hip-hop -- terms of hip-hop hollywood commenculture. the emphasis has historicly been on family, education, self help and entrepreneurship, then all of a sudden, you see people say let's make an excuse for the gang bangers, and let's gore fi let's glorify them, and let's make it so they young black people think it is aathon ticauthentic if you alikr dress leak you just got out of jail, i am glad that sharpton is now speaking out but i apologize, i still feel he is a little late to the game. >> the truth is that the

president, though of willing to divide the nation it seems to me, farther rather than seize this moment, this opportunity to again be the president of all of the people. he h had a tremendous opportuni, he shows to be devicive. >> i don't know how you see him as divisive, i thought when holder went to ferguson, i was concerned about how this ul work, he is chief law enforcement officer. you don't want him putting the finger on the scale. instead we saw was, that situation in terms of the violent protest, riots calmed down, people did seem to respond in terms of those concerned about a transparent judicial process, and i did not see that there was any anger coming from the law enforcement or the state officials, they seem to welcome holder, i was pleased. >> law enforcement i thought, conducted themselves very well.

after the initial day or so. they are folks on the line. they put their lives on the line in this situation, and conducts them i think they should be given great credit for how they conducted themselves, instead turning it into a trying to focus on putting his -- i think he said thumb, perhaps finger on scale of justice, the president dispatching attorney general rally, this like putting both feet on the scales of justice in my estimation, a unprecedented parallel investigation into the murder. it was an out right -- insult to local law enforcement. the prosecutor there, the governor himself, behaved i thought ignore annually saying he wanted -- ignoreantly, saying he wanted an aggressive prosecution, this is pandering, and racial politics, for seven-days at its worse, we could have avoided that with

cone strain on th constrain on r national leadership, what do you think? >> well the president did not go, there was pressure from the left for him to go, and i think, make really more emotional remarks about idea this young man was gunned down, shot 6 times unarmed. he did not go. but sent holder, and again, i think that was fair that holder has made statements that have polarizeed some in conservative community, but, i just did not see that was at consequence. my fears were allayed in this regard. >> you perhaps expected less than i did. i expected far more leadership and concern for the common cause that we all share in this country. and that is the justice of which you spoke. just moments ago. where do we go from here? >> well, i think that key on

this story has to go to the prosecution, you know, people have to have faith that our justice system delivers for all, and i think that american justice sim historically, has -- system historically has done that, i have faith in the justice system in my community, you hear black people say there is a disproportional number of blacks and jail, and et cetera, i tell you, i live in the black community in washington, d.c., and sometimes, i think migrateest fear is -- greatest fear is other young black men, gang bangers, thugs. they are a threat to not only my community. my personal safety but in terms of retail, economy development. who will want to start a business there? for me, that is an important message to be delivered, that stuff has got to be condemned by black leadership in the way we saw shrarp to know d sharpton d.

>> thank you, quan williams. as -- juan williams. we rose up. thank you very much juan good night from new york else. that is it. neil: welcome, everybody, i am neil cavuto. it is not a fox news alert. many think the health care law is flawed. still, attacks on obamacare are political. visit putting politics aside, the dangers of the law are very real and very, very scary. arsong >> this thing is totally out of control.