have serial number, not badge number. the police force will add a robot. charleston city council unanimously approving a purchase of a robot from super droid robots and companies. it will not possessable to fire weapons. thank goodness for that. liz: doesn't possess ability to get in the truck. wills list report is next. you will report on the controversy around michelle obama's lunch menu. liz: what is wrong with grilled chiefs and toe pate toe soup for lunch. it doesn't fit the first lady's program. we'll have latest on the possible massive data breach. victory for consumers as perdue makes changes to chicken production. how young is too young? growing trend of grade schoolkids getting cell phones.

"the willis report" where consumers are our business starts right now. well there is a little less laughter in the world tonight. comedy legend joan rivers has died. the funny lady was a trail is blazer for female comediennes, she poked most fun at herself. at age 81 joan rivers went into cardiac arrest last week during an outpatient proper and went on life-support. what went wrong? we have a doctor from the beth israel medical center. doctor, great to have you here with us. i want to start by just asking, how common is it for a patient to have a heart attack during a procedure at one of these outpatient clinics? how often does that happen? >> it does not happen very often. usually in these outpatient clinics doctors are fully prepared to handle eventualities like cardiac arrest. it is ctually a very rare

event. usually the patient stops breathing because of a drug, because they have a medical event like a stroke, or they actually have a heart attack due to the stress of the proper. liz: joan rivers had a heart attack. do they have defibrillators on hand in these situations? >> they're supposed to have defibrillators. generally when we have a proper room, in any kind of an outpatient facility such as endoscopy center or surgery center we have what is called a crash cart. the crash cart is exactly that. it is filled with medicines to resuscitate the heart. that is to bring the heart rythym back, bring blood pressure back and to shock the patient back into a normal rythym. if they go into irregular heartbeat what is called shockable. we do it all the time, we do it every day in the hospital and we do it rarely in these outpatient centers. liz: you mentioned endoscopy, that means the doctor can look inside of you. joan was at an institution called the yorkville endoscopy

center on upper east side here in new york city. it is under investigation now. and i have to ask you, would sheave been better off at a full-blown hospital having this proper done? >> well that is very good question. i don't know what joan's medical history is like, if she had any hit of risk factors, propensity for stroke like high blood pressure or difficulties with breathing she would have been much better as a hospital. but as i said, most of these endoscopy centers are pretty sophisticated and have these kind of resuscitative measures available. these are called crash carts. these crash carts also mandate that nurses, technicians and doctors who are in these endoscopy centers no advanced cardiac life-support. we call that acls. and these procedures are designed for such emergencies, to resuscitate and save the patient's life. i presume this is what happened. liz: well, she had at least one

risk factor. the woman was 81. isn't age an issue here? >> age is a major issue. we do procedures these day on lot older people. the older population tend to do pretty well. they have to be medically cleared. we have to look at their cardiac or heart function, how good their brains are. what other kind of risk factors she might have like diabetes, et cetera. all of those things play a major role as risk factors for this kind of tragedy. >> i mentioned before that the institution she was at is under investigation by the new york health department but everybody considers it routine. however, when you look at number of these facilities that has grown over the last 20 or so years it is dramatic. there are some 5200 right now. that is almost as many hospitals as there there. are. i'm curious people make choices every single day, will i go to the hospital or outpatient facility, which one am i going to go to. what is your best advice for

people out there? when do you go to the hospital, when do you go to an outpatient facility? >> well, there is very little difference today. the government and other health care providing insurance companies prefer that the patients go to outpatient facilities. liz: because they're cheaper, right? >> not necessarily the hospital. but whhn you're in the hospital, there are a number of safety measures that are taken to prevent this kind of an occurrence. most outpatient facilities like surgery centers or endoscopy suites are very, very well-equipped as hospitals are to handle these kind of emergencies. >> 23 million surgeries in those outpatient clinics a recent year. it is interesting to see how this industry is changing over time. doctor, thank you so much for being with tonight. >> thank you for having me. it's a pleasure. liz: now i started the segment by saying there is a little less

laughter in the world tonight because of passing of joan rivers but as her water melissa said the comedienne's greatest joy was to make people laugh. we thought we would share a little of the laughter now. >> you think you're any older? >> i feel great. >> you know why i feel older? i went to by sexy underwear and automatically gift wrapped it. [laughing] >> obvious for your aunt or something. >> when you buy a bikini. victim's is falling and you're wearing a bikini and top gets, oh. [laughter] liz: everybody's got a favorite joan quote. mine's this. she said i'm no cook, when i want lemon chicken i spray it with pledge much. pretty good. well, we are completely changing gears now all they we continue to talk about food. we turn to our nation's cafeterias where food fights are taking it to a whole new level. students slamming michelle obama's healthy school lunchee. our next guest helped lead the push in his school to table the

program all together. rick is the board president of muskego norway schools in wisconsin ditched the program back in july. so tell us why did you end this program? >> well, the new rules or regulations for the food quality criteria start ad couple years ago and we had been complaining about the hundredp programs two years ago when it started. this coming july is july 1st, those new regulations were getting much more onerous, to the point where we projected about a $50,000 loss in our food program because we knew that the kids wouldn't be buying the program, the lunches anymore. and we decided, took a look at it, and decided we were better off telling feds keep the money. we'll provide free and reduced lunch to our student population that need that on their own. but we'll provide what we deem a

healthy lunch, not what washington deems. liz: unbelievable. the thing i didn't understand about the whole program, you guys have to be self-sustaining. if the kids are not buying lunches you're not making money. it is hurting the entire school district. so tell me how much money are you losing? what is your financial situation now? because you have changed the whole program back to what it was. >> yeah, we were projecting a $50,000 loss this year if we stayed in the program. by switching program back to what we had for a healthy lunch program prior to new regulations we're purchasing at least, right $10,000 surplus for this coming school year. liz: wow. >> so it's a $60,000 swing. and like you said, yes, our lunch programs, it is not part of our, not part of our education budget. so that program has to be self-sustaining. there is no options, if you, we have fund balance in there but, it is just like any other business. if you're not doing things that at least breaking even, you got to make changes. that's what we decided to do.

liz: so here es a what got on school lunch menu now. forget the. turkey tacos, black bean and corn salad. petite bananas. cactus juice coolers. sound pretty yummy. i want to share with some of our viewers some of the tweets that, contained hashtag, hashtag thanks michelle obama. this is going viral. see some of this stuff. it is hilarious. picture of one of these lunches. this is all they're feeding athletes now, thanks. and thanks, michelle obama, for the mystery meat in school lunches. these are nicer ones. i've seen some really raunchy ones. i never seen a taco like this says one young lady. i have to tell you, rick, i look at this i feel their pain. nothing like, feeling like you're not getting enough to eat. you say your kids are in the school district and were going home hungry. what happened? >> well, i've got a son that is 16 years old and very active and in athletics.

him and his friend would, when they finish lunch, because of the portion guidelines, calorie counts, how many calories could be in portion, they would leave hungry. and these regulations are ridiculous. they are telling me that a 14-year-old freshman girl has to consume the same amount of calories as an 18-year-old football player. liz: unbelievable. >> this one size fits all is ridiculous. if they were regulating shoe size i think everyone would have to wear size nine 1/2, fit or not. it is government, some bureaucrat 800 miles away not elected by anybody, telling a local schools what we should be feeding our children. those are decision best made at local level. this is not something that should be coming out of washington, with any strings attached to it at all. we had enough of it. liz: obviously you did because you opted out. too many strings, too many bureaucrats. rick, thanks for coming on the show tonight. >> sure, thanks for having me. liz: now we want to know what you think.

here's our question tonight. what would you rather eat, grilled cheese, and maybe a >> caller: salad? -- kale salad. vote on gerriwillis.com. vote on the right-hand side of the screen. i will share results at the end of tonight show. facebook or meet 2003 at gerri willis if the bn or send me an e-mail, gooto the website, gerriwillis.com. at the government hour iad twee. next the latest on the investigation into a massive date breach at nation's number one home improvement store. plus where all that information goes when it's stolen. [ hoof beats ]

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liz: home depot is in fake. the home improvement retailer still investigating whether or not it was breached by hackers leaving consumers wondering if their credit card information is being sold to the highest bidder. we have former white house chief information officer. welcome back to the show. good to see you. before we get to home depot, i want to talk about a breaking news story this afternoon. healthcare.gov has been breached by hackers. we're just finding out about that.

apparently started in july. white house saying that there is no evidence that coosumer data has been used or stolen. is this surprising to you? >> you know, it is not surprising anymore whether it is dot-gov or dot-com websites and servers being attacked by cyber criminals. they have wanted to target healthcare.gov. it has been in their laser sites. i'm not surprised they found an issue. liz: we're talking about. what we do know there are stolen credit card numbers out in what it called the dark web. where some of the bloggers writing about this topic getting

information. what is the dark web and why are credit card numbers there? >> you asked a great question about the dark web. think about a digital shopping mall for evildoers. so they are selling your identities, your cards, photos, videos. they even sell malware to attack companies like home depot and target. really evil marketplace, ebay, pay ball, amazon all wrapped up for evildoers where they buy and trade and sell very quickly, very cheaply and make big money. gerri: big money on us. the target breach, which we talked talked about last december and covered sometime. this could be bigger. the home depot breach could be even bigger. how much would my credit card information do you go for you think? what is the selling price? >> well the dark web they have to act quickly. so the first day they steal their credit card, gerri, if they're able to append your specific zip code and purchasing

habits and little information about you that first day is worth 120, to $150. the older that data gets or less data they have about your credit card or debit card, the cheaper it gets t could drop to $50. they will bundle it up with a bunch cards for about a buck. gerri: wow that is big range in prices no doubt about it. when we talked about this originally, you made tte observation that is it is very possible that these hackers are from russia and they may be operating at the behest of the state? do you still believe that? and it seems like everybody is getting hit right now. is this the new thing, russia coming after us through our websites? >> you know, it is an interesting way to fund an economy, isn't it? this has some of the telltale signs of eastern european or russian-sponsored, whether they were trained by those governments and acting on their own as cyber criminal groups or potentially funded by then,

obviously we'll be learning more in the days to come with the forensics but it has the telltale signs, the dark web presence. how they did it. the fact they were in there months at a time, that all sort of sound like a lot it could be russians or eastern europeans. gerri: it is that month at a time thing that is driving me crazy. six months, april, was the beginning of this breach, with home depot. here is what i doesn't get. why are we just learning about this now? why does it take so long for the companies that should are our best interests at heart, we're their customers, to find out about these breaches? >> people would be shocked to know, when it comes to financial data, credit cards, bank accounts, sometimes it is average of six months before anybody knows the bad guys are in the network. and this tells for us again as a consumer, you unfortunately have to take matters into your own hands. we need a neighborhood watch program and that is the store, the banks, law enforcement but especially you the consumer

being very vigilant and aware about what is hitting your credit card and sounding alarm if something doesn't sound right. gerri: theresa, thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> and later in the show, good news, no kidding, surrounding one of the country's most popular sources of chicken. next, will tomorrow bring good news? we'll preview the jobs report and look whether the data is really matching reality. we've never sold a house before.

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gerri: new employment numbers out today hinting what we can expect for tomorrow's big government jobs report. payroll processing firm adp reported private companies added 204,000 jobs last month, see

at? at the lest figeince march. here with what we can expect in tomorrow's report, heritage chief economist steve moore. welcome to the show. >> great to be with you. gerri: what do you make of the adp report and what does it tell us about tomorrow? >> we've been in this range, gerri, for about six months now where we're getting 200,000 jobs a month, maybe a little bit more. that's a decent number, gerri, but it is not good enough. it is just not good enough to really bring the jobs back that were lost during this recession much and so we should be at 300, 400, 500,000 jobs a month. we have, i told this before, we had one month in 1980 as, under reagan, had a million jobs one month. ik uever hadt b bre accurate, pretty good predicttor. we'll get another 200,000 jobs. ployment som / r ericl nt feeot better aboutt. gerri: walk through the technical numbers which are, ah.

here is what we're expecting. hang on. hang on. here is what we're expecting. job creation, consensus view of economists, 225,000. >> okay. gerri: unemployment rate 6.1% which ticks down from 6.2. you say this is the lowest recovery since world war ii. we're not getting kind of employment we want to see and nds wag g w wa right as you know -- gerri: you get around. >> when i talk to real people outside of washington and new york about the economy, if you mention to them that the unemployment rate is 6.1% they laugh in your face. no one believes that number because as you know the real unemployment rate in this country is probably about double that because the labor force participation is down. so many people dropped out of the workforce. there are millions of people want a full-time job, gerri. can not find it. we consider, we classify them as employed but if you're only, working 25 or 20 hours a week, good luck feeding your family

and paying your bills. gerri: right, exactly. a lot of talk today about raising the minimum wage. barack obama made that priority. yet, when i look at this, steve, i see only 2.8% of workers earn minimum wage. it is really an issue at the margins of society. what we really need, i believe, you tell me, jobs. we need jobs. >> right. look, when the unemployment problem is as bad as it is today, especially for young people, i was looking at the teen unemployment rate right now. it is about 20%, gerri. and we've had a record low participation of teens in the workforce. what we've done by continuing to raise the minimum wage we basically priced young workers out of the workforce. i have always said if we're going to raise minimum wage, not something i'm in favor of, we do, make sense to have 5, 6, $7 an hour teen minimum wage so young people get jobs to learn how to work and develop basic work skills? we do a disservice to the economy and young people when we price them out of the workforce. a big percentage of the people

who earn minimum wage are young people, teens, other people under age of 25. a lot are in the restaurant industry. those are not meant jobs to feed your family on. gerri: no, not intended as living wage. that is criticism of it. fed survey gap between the rich and poor is widening. what do you make of that? >> it has widened actually, in the last five years. it has widened good deal. and reason, gerri, is because if you look at economy, what boomed? the stock market. you report on this every night. so people who make their money investing in stocks have done very well under barack obama. it is workers, in the lower and middle class that haven't shared in that kind of prosperity. so you're getting, you know, a definitely division in the wealth gap. what is interesting, that is and '90s, where everybody did better. under obama the only people doing better are people in the top 10%. irony, gerri, all this president talks about is income inequality. he doesn't talk about growth. he doesn't talk about jobs.

he talks about narrowing the wealth gap. by doing so, i would make the argument to you, those policies have put in place actually made the wealth gap worse. gerri: worse. worse. because everybody is uncertain about what to do. yet tomorrow, is unemployment rate ticks down to 6.1% the media will consider it a huge advance. >> and everyone else will laugh, gerri. everyone else will laugh at the number. gerri: thank you very much. >> see you soon. gerri: coming up later, is college doing enough to prepare young people to be productive adults? we have interesting things to tell you on that score. with kids heading back to school, should their school supply list include a cell phone? how young is too young for your child to go mobile. ♪ when fixed income experts work with equity experts

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major change coming to your dinner table. purdue, the chicken makers, say it's dropping most human antibiotics from its chicken products. it's not kicking all chemicals to the such, however. to help us -- to the curb, however. gayle hanson is a veterinarian and has a master's degree in public health. she's with pew public health, and she has studied this topic extensively. why is this important? why is taking out these antibiotics important to humans? >> well, every time we use antibiotics, we can run into the problem of antibiotic resistance. and we use a lot of antibiotics in animals, and we raise a lot of animals in this country. but antibiotic resistance is the big problem. gerri: so it creates problems for humans because if you get sick, you might not be able to get better because you've already been exposed to the antibiotics over years and yearsover exposing chicken and other goods. it doesn't seem like they're

cutting back on all chemicals. they specified human antibiotics. are they still going to be using antibiotics for animals, for chickens? >> well, purdue has said they're only going to be using antibiotics when the chickens are sick using the human antibiotics when the chickens are sick. they still have some animal antibiotics that they may still be using. gerri: is that concerning to you? >> not really. those animal antibiotics are used in animals only, and we really don't use them in human medicine at all. gerri: so is how big a deal, in your view, is this change by purdue? >> this is a huge deal for human health because of the problems of antibiotic resistance. so if purdue's going to be using fewer antibiotics, that means there's fewer antibiotics to cause antibiotic resistance x that's a win for everybody. gerri: i understand they use some of these to make the chickens gain weight so they can sell more meat. is that concerning? does that mean they won't gain as much weight?

>> well, they've sometimes found that if they give low levels of antibiotics or small amounts of abilities, the animals grow faster, that that can work, but we really have to balance that with the cost of antibiotic resistance b which is increasing your health care costs. gerri: exactly right. and so i'm just curious, do these antibiotics make us gain weight, the humans gain weight when we eat them in chicken? >> well, the antibiotics that are given to the animals, given to chickens really don't get into the chicken. the concern is really more about antibiotic resistance. and so it's not really part of the equation. it's really antibiotic-resistant bacteria from the low levels begin to the animals -- given to the animals. gerri: your organization has written about this extensively. will this have any impact on trying to prevent salmonella in these chicken coops and at these producers? >> well, the use of antibiotics really goes to the resistance of

the bacteria including the salmonella, so it may not do a lot to change how much salmonella is there, but then the salmonella that does show up won't be -- it's less likely to be resistant to antibiotics so that if we need to use antibiotics to treat the salmonella, those antibiotics will still work for us, and that's a very important point. gerri: dr. gayle hanson, thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. gerri: well, tonight around the dinner table you might be talking about cell phones. at what age should a child have a cell phone? these are not only emotional and safety aspects to this concern, but financial ones as well. here with advice, dr. jeff gardier, a psychologist. how do you think about this? because i see tiny little kids with cell phones. >> sure, absolutely. you have to take it on a case-by-case basis. how smart is your child? gerri: come on, you know what parents say, they all think their kid's the smartest in the

room. >> you'll know that because that child has been talking to you about getting a phone for quite some time. it's really funny, i brought my youngest son with me who's 13 years old, and i asked him, when did i give you a cell phone? he said around the age of 11 or 12. and interestingly enough, studies show that this is around the time that we start giving cell phones to kids, around 11 or 12, 60% of our kids, but we know that kids are using cell phones as young as 2, 3, 4 or 5 just to play games. gerri: are you okay with that? >> i am okay with it because i know what he's doing with the cell phone. but there are also problems out there, hazards that we need to look at, and that's part of that -- gerri: they're on facebook, they're, you know, i know that -- >> yeah. gerri: these social media groups have rules about how old you're supposed to be, but i don't think anybody pays attention to them. >> that's why we need to pay attention. gerri: absolutely right. i wallet to talk about the

financial aspect of this because i was just curious, how much do mom and dad spend on the cell phone for kids? $10,458 is what -- it's a hefty bill -- it's what parents pay for service between the ages of 12 and 22. they're texting, they're doing all the most expensive stuff on their cell phone. this is a big number for families. this adds an additional stress. >> that's why you have to work with the phone companies as far as making sure you have unlimited data plans and that if the child goes off that data plan, that the phone is shut off. you don't get an astronomical bill later on. we also know there are a lot of hidden charges, so you have to be really careful. these cell phone companies tell you, well, come on in and put four or five lines and it's only going to cost this amount of money, but then you buy the telephone, and that is now put into the bill, so what you thought might have been a $90 bill for the whole family turns out to $240, $250. i'm not telling you who's doing

that, but i'm going through that right now with my kids. gerri: take a look at the average monthly costs for families that share a data plan. average monthly is $190, but it kind of goes all over the place, and your kids can punch that higher if they work at ate. >> that's right. gerri: half of kids -- no, i'm sorry, 78% of teens have cell phones, half of those are smartphones. there's a cost and a danger as a young person. how worried are you about your son having a cell phone in his hands? >> well, i'm always worried about that, but i do know what he's doing on the telephone, and that's why part of that table talk needs to be, okay, what is the etiquette around using these telephones? what is it that you're supposed to do? and you should be modeling a lot of those behaviors. so when it comes to the texting, making sure that nothing else is going on but that they're talking to you. and so if you put those controls into place, chances are you'll do okay, but i'm telling you these kids know a lot, they know how to get around the rules, so

that's why it's around the maturity, and make sure they have it not just because, mom, dad, when can i get the phone but more around if i need to talk to you during the day, if we have to get you to soccer, how do we do that -- gerri: i have to tell you, i had a woman not too long ago who developed an app so that if her teenage son did not call home, he couldn't call his friends, couldn't text. that fixed that problem. >> that's right. i saw that particular show. i know that app. i just think it's important that parents stay involved. gerri: mom and dad have to be in control. >> the worst thing you can do is handle -- okay, fine, i got you the cell phone, now leave me alone. no. that is a great responsibility, and, therefore, we should be involved on a daily basis as to what's going on. easier said than done, folks, let me tell you that. gerri: moms and dads know that. and then they're going to text you all the time. >> well, you know, do the best you can, mom and dad. that's all you can do.

gerri: doctor, thank you for that. we've talked many times on the willis report on the growing controversy surrounding michelle obama's school lunch program. what would you rather have, the classic grilled cheese sandwich or a kale salad? here's what some of you are posting about the poll question tonight. shane says: can i have both? that really would be balanced. put some shreds in the soup and/or on the sandwich. and david writes: i'd take the grilled cheese and tomato soup in a heartbeat. aren't there more pressing concerns than lunch? and rick posts: grilled cheese every day, come on, it's a school lunch. tom wants compromise: maybe a grilled cheese with kale? and when we come back, a troubling report about a problem in our nation's schools. and next, are colleges doing a good enough job preparing students for the real world? one offer gives -- one author gives us his take after the break. but here's your consumer gauge,

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>> well, we see they're adrift in many respects. they're really struggling to make transitions to adulthood in multiple domains. we find two years after graduation a quarter of them are living back at home with their parents. 75% -- gerri: two years after. >> two years out. 75% are still receiving financial assistance from their parents. less than half have full-time jobs that they're making more than 30,000 per year. gerri: and here are the numbers right here in this full screen so you can get your arms around them. many of them unemployed, only about half have full-time jobs, many staying home with mom and dad. how did this get so off track? why are we off the rails with this generation? >> right. so the simple answer is wrong, it's just the economic recession, they're facing difficult economic conditions. gerri: right. >> and what we show it's not just the difficulties that

they're having in making transitions into the labor market, but broader aspects of transitions to adulthood. and we really think that the colleges and universities have failed these students by not providing them with a rigorous academic training to develop their skills and attitudes and dispositions aligned with adult success. gerri: all right. so rigorous. let me show you from richard's first book what he found college seniors were doing. this is how they spent their time; socializing, 46%. sleeping, 28%. working, volunteering, clubs, 111%. attending class, 8%. studying, only 7%. and why is it these kids get away with this? how is it possible that you go to college and you spend no time thinking about college? >> yeah. 36% of the students study alone less than an hour day. and when we looked at their transcripts, they received a 3.2 grade point average. they didn't need to work harder,

and that's a disservice to the students because they end up graduating thinking life is going to be just as easy as it was in college. again, less than an hour a day of studying alone, and they're able to be successful. gerri: so we've talked about all kinds of problems with the college and university system, that it's overpriced, that kids end up graduating with huge amounts of debt, but what you're pointing out is something very, very different, that the colleges really don't have standards, or not standards high enough. why is thatsome. >> well, again, these problems are interrelated. colleges and universities have disinvested in the academic program and the academic quality and invested in the social functions of college and university. they've invested in social amenities, to entertain and keep the students happy; new dorms, gyms, student centers -- gerri: swimming pools, climbing walls, you name it, they've got it all. so the priorities of these schools are completely wrong. >> yeah.

gerri: it should be about what you're learning. and i guess at the end of the day, the students are voting for what they want with their dollars, right? so the universities just go along with it. >> we find that they're very happy when they graduate, they're very happy with their colleges, they just haven't been prepared well. this is a very expensive model. it's twice what the european model of college university education costs. gerri: so a lot of people now are saying college isn't worth it. do you agree? >> see, we think that's the wrong question. it's absolutely imperative for young people to know that college is important for their lives and for societies as a whole, we need to graduate more students. the right question isn't is college worth it, it's are we getting value for that investment, the investment in money and in time? and there we say off not. often not. gerri: what does it cost to go to nyu where you teach?somethin? >> costs a lot. so we have an obligation and responsibility to do right by those students.

gerri: thank you for coming on. great stuff. i think it's fascinating, the work you're doing. we appreciate it. >> thank you, gerri. gerri: and still to come, as we debate the future of our schools' curriculum, a new problem seems to be cropping up. kids going to grade school are consistently absent. we'll have the latest report coming up, kids not in school. ♪ ♪ we've never sold a house before.

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♪ ♪ gerri: it's september again, and the kids should be back to school, but a new report shows a new problem: concern over kids not showing up to class. it's a problem calls chronic

absenteeism. here to explain, the co-author of the report and director of attendance works. welcome to the show. tell us about major findings when it comes to ab absenteeism. >> hi, yeah. the major findings we have is that attendance matters for all kids, for all states, every grade, all demographic groups. and on one happened, that's not -- hand, that's not terribly surprising. it's sort of a common sense idea that in order to benefit from classroom instruction and teaching, you've got to be in class. what's amazing is that we as a country are actually not really monitoring this, and this report is actually based on a snapshot in time. it's based on the national assessment of educational progress, and they survey kids to find out how many days before they take the test they're missing school, and that's how we were able to do this. gerri: well, the takeaway number that i found, frankly, so astonishing and the reason we did this segment to begin with is i believe something like one

in five students missing 30 days of school a year. how can you be in school, how can you be in school if one in five students are missing a month? how do you go to the next grade? how do you graduate? how do you go to college? it seems like all of those things are in jeopardy. >> absolutely. attendance matters for even, initially, if you're chronically ab sent in kindergarten and first, chance of reading at grade level by the end of third grade are a challenge, can't read at grade level by the end of third grade then, you know, you're off track for reading in all your subjects, by middle and high school you're on the track for not graduating. gerri: whole month. i was completely blown away by that. which states have the biggest problem? >> let me clarify, how many kids were missing three or more days in a month. now, that's about a month if you assume that happens all year long -- gerri: but there's an assumption there. >> -- is that we in our cup we are actually -- in our country we are actually not tracking this. in state longitudinal databases,

there's six states we don't even have attendance with kids' educational outcomes. so we are not monitoring this to know really how many kids are at such high risk because they're not showing up to class. gerri: the question still looms, but according to your data, the highest rate of absenteeism is in detroit, milwaukee and washington d.c. why do you think it's focused there? >> well, i think there's a lot of challenges in places. there's different reasons why kids don't show up in school. some of it is poverty related and barriers to transportation, lack of access to health care. those are all key issues. but it's also how much we are investing in schools and getting them to think about how they improve attendance. sometimes we think that attendance is just about what happens in community when we actually know that when schools and communities work together to improve attendance, they can do it, and that's about what happens on the school side; monitoring, noticing, and that isn't always happening in all

our school districts. gerri: where's mom and dad in all this? >> well, certainly, mom and dad are key. you know, one of the -- you get to school because your family's monitoring, but families don't realize how quickly absences add up. and this isn't just unexcused absences. this is also excused absences. and it's kids can be sick, kids can also -- sometimes there's discretionary absences in the sense that families, you know, a kid says, oh, i have a stomach ache because they're not feeling so good, and if a mom doesn't realize that that can be a sign of anxiety and those kinds of challenges, they may not realize. just two absences a month are adding up to too much time. so that's one issue. there's also this issue of bigger challenges where families, for example, they have asthma, they have -- gerri: right. you know what? there are real absentee issues and then there are fake ones, and there are ones we just can't solve. heddy, thank you for sharing your information with us. >> okay, thank you.

gerri: we'll be right back with my two cents more and the answer to our question of the day, what would you rather eat, grilled cheese or a kale salad? ♪ ♪ [ breathing deeply ]

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