we'll see you tomorrow. john: this is how you sound out a word -- school is changeing. >> our coarse courses break down complex ideas. >> we talk about text processing. john: entrepreneurs found way to make learning fun. >> you lose a lif when you get something wrong. john: school is fun. >> yes. john: if they make it, it college they struggle with the cost. >> $60,000 a year. >> this girl paid for duke by doing pornography. >> high administration is increasing federal student aid.

>> education, and its enemies, that is sour show tonight. -- is our show tonight. john: biggest education controversy this year over common core. the supporters say this is eye single common standard that tells parents, in every state, this is when your kid ought to know, some union teachers are upset. >> they are crippleing our student's education, and joy of learning, common core standards they must contan ly struggle. to push themselves to levels that are not developly arope yeahappropriate. john: no say common core support

supporters. >> life is full of measures sticks, how smart we are, how fast we are, how well we can you know compete. but until now, it has been hard to tell how well kids are competeing in school, and how will they will do when they get out of school, that is where common core standards come in. john: here is a mag problem. >> compose, and decompose numbers from 11 to 19, to 10 ones, and furth ones by using op jecing on or draws and record each. >> that is my wel produceer. asking people to solve a common cormaccore -- smack -- >> seem complex, no kidding. that is a problem for the kindergarten students.

robert of institute said common core is a good thing. helping american kids compete. cory said no, it is just more central planning, it will fail, again and again. you are from a conservative group. common core? why? >> you have to remember what led us here. we had 50 different states and standards and tests. we s was a dumbing down employee saw it in south bronx. kids counting on fingers, then they get test results back they were level 3 and level 4. i knew they were not as good as test said, but that bar kept getting lower and lower.

john: the no child left behind, we better lower standards? >> there was no reason for a state. to do that, if i have to prove my kid was proficient but i set the b what do i do? you set it low. you may not like common core, but remember practice what -- what brought us here,. here,. john: now we have central planning. >>, i am not sure i agree with central planning, you had front states raceing to the trough to get the fed money, i wish it had not happened. >> it is ease fo easy to say ho- john: some are saying we remember in but now we want to be out. indiana, oklahoma, south carolina, mo missouri, louisiana.

>> right now in america, there are professional development going on, new thing will come in to classroom, principal will told miss nelson, here is howo you it now. she will smile, and she will say thank you. and shut her door, and do what she always does. she is a good teacher, if a principal can't get her to change practice, i don't think that barack obama will have a better chance. >> that is the problem that common core came with a package of things that requires to get in classroom with teacher, federal government requireed state to make those test matters for teacher's performance, she said, would be say shame if something happened to your state money. they would have common core, because the feds are piper calling tune. john: a question some first

graders get. >> what is 32 minus 12, 20, right? but not under the new common core method. >> why are they doing this backward method. >> this man trained in nuclear engineering does not understand. >> i do not understand. >> he was not alone. >> this is how y arrive at the answer. >> that is insane, why so many steps. >> why does it have to be so complicated. >> and third greaters. >> 426 and 17 by breaking apart numbers that make it 10. -- what? >> we gave energy another shot. >> you are looking lost. >> why would you break it down that way, that is 4 steps more than you need to get to same result.

>> make sense. >> no, that is ridiculous. >> now, i know why he had trouble inag, which i had to pay for math tutors. john: a lot of people are saying my kid does not like math any more. >>y would say that not common core, i saw equations like this every day in my mac math textbo. >> it is not. if you look at common core, it does particular said to do what ricky was doing, tells kid, to have you play all these number games before you get to standard alga rhythm. john: there has to be a better way to learn, these are not idiots petitioning it. >> well, assumeing too much. john: like your twitter account

background you have bart simpson saying, i will quit blaming common core. >> that has become a whipping boy. neil: but central -- john: but central planning should be a whipping boy. for example all cars have a standard. >> you have come to accept it with cars. >> and food and building codes. >> i'm going to one up your car example, one of my favorite ways to common core henry ford response with model t, you can have any color you like, so long

as it is plaque, that is yo blag as you can have any curriculum you want so long as your kid does good on tests. >> one big criticism of common core, central planning, who buys textbooks, who hires teachers in local school districts. john: government. >> be that as it may, federal government is not telling you who should teach your kid in yo local school district. >> the gates foundation is, they set up a committee to riew those textbook to fit, com commn corps. john: you say gates foundation is a scheme with america, that comes with money, the eduecrats accept it. >> in 1833, time was not

standardizeed in this country. john: that is good. >> and you know why, railroads s gave up standard time. john: the tie to dom -- common core? >> standards arrive when we need them. if dom op core goes away tomorrow we'll have other horrible international comparisons. john: why not have choice? parents would figure out which schools taught well. >> i'm a big choice advocate. >> it sounds like it. >> it mes me nervous, you can havehoice in certain things,

the is a low price to pay, if somebody chooses badly, you don't get a second. john: but they get no good choices now they are stuck in a monopoly. >> so where is conflict between saying we' choice but everyone has to build a car to a certain safety standard, if you want to run a school there are certain conditions to meet. john: on street we found one person who liked it. >> the concept is good. >> a teacher has been teaching common core. >> once people get comfortable with it, they won't remember the way it used to be. >> can you imagine why they are ustrated. >> absolely. john: another problem. >> subprabgz woul traction subte minus $4 3 left. if you -- 7 minus 4. >> you are showing h he additio.

>> joy? >> this illustrates, we're talking about standard this is problem with calling this set standard, it implies there is something good about it. so safety standards are different. that is a different level than walking into a classroom, and saying we know more than you about what your kids should learn. >> you are uncomfortable describes the level that kids should be able to get to ed keyineducational. >> i am comfortable saying it for my own children, not saying i should be great education -- >> i look at common core as a all but saying due core knowledge. get science and history.

>> that is great thing to say. there are 57 words say they should have a great curriculum, but they don't provide it. >> we can't. >> we're not allowed by law. >> thank you. you with tweet with that hash tag back t back-to-school. coming up better ways in my opinion, to learn. also, cost of higher education, what this girl did to pay that st.

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john: watching debate over common core. anew points out, in cover story, common core happened 8 years after president bush and kennedy not together to give us an approach to learning no child

left behind. >> in that box is a bill, i don't intend to read it a. >> he signed it without reading it and the crowd cheered. >> no child left behand came 8 years after president clinton. fought a -- 2000. >> that world class education standard. >> crowd aplaye applauded that. but goal 2000 of rereworking are a school reform plan called america 200 2000 pushed by first president bush. he said it was revolutionary, said he wanted to be called education president, and camera followed him into a classroom. does this look familiar? 7 years before president bush's national education strategy,

president reagan punched something similar. >> i wonder why that of needed, done president carter restore excellence? >> we wi open up first time, some 0 subtio 0 substantial benr our country. john: promises to fix america's education problem. >> i am determined we'll cut out unnecessy regulations john: please, for 40 years education bureaucrats added unnecessary forms and applications and red tape, education reform like an itch that reformers cannot scratch. and why should say, new education reform brings them money. and since reforms never work all right reform creates a need for more reform, and more money, america spends 3 times what we spent when jimmy carter fixed

problem by creating the department of education. trouble money no improvement. improvement for professional education researchs, money comes from government and foundations and army of these ed youcrats -- eduecrats found work at lobbyists. so great a mass of these specialists cannot be kept idle, after 40 years of failed reform they brought us another common core. >> i believe common core state standards may prove to be move important thing to happen in america. >> this wi work. they say, fergieing for said that world of spreadgation reform is a -- ferguson said that the world of education

reform is a cozy fraternity, they feed off wealth of the bill and mel inda gates foundation, and common core would not exist without, that bill puts ni sleep, so we will listen to melissa. saying that common core. >> these are what i needo know mytion students learn this year. >> those are standards only an edid youcrat could love or understand. >> one side fitting all may be a mockery. but expertsne size fits wall is ideal, they find choke with charts, graphing. 300 million dollars keeps a lot of experts busy, this money down the drain, allows common core advocates to say, that the federal different of education cannot produce those common core standards, our nation's ed

youcrats from deuceed them, but this is without a difference, now school year begins, common core will be tested. then, new tests will reveal, oops, they are still not learng, they will come you were with a new national reform, this one with teeth, high stakes consequences, a new president will fun it with new money, and declare it is a national priority. she will want to be called educational president too, the free market may overcome the educrats and the government, new and better ways to learn are appearing millions of people have mastered a language by playing a game on their cell phone, a free game. >> languages are split into bite size skill skills that feel like

games, you lose a love when you get something wrong. >> when we return. other better ideas, tools that make learning fun. ♪ music

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feedback. and it's a better way to learn. thanks to new technology, all kinds of good things are happening in here to tell us about it is my next guest. >> it's a really interesting model that they have at duolingo. not like something that i can with any other company. what they do is once the students have developed the skills and the language, they allow learners the opportunity to translate documents like menus and more things and then do a presentation. john: or something having to do with robots? >> robots? >> yes, but this isn't something you may not have seen. it's a robot that's in a classroom and it may be where the faith ought to be and thee3

kids can then communicate with a teacher at a distance. the teacher can view the kids and their work through the ipad and it's a fascinating sort of alternative although it is a bit creepy. john: some companies most excited about interactive education are like this one. >> this is how you sound out a word. >> what is exciting is that it's a completely interesting system. >> that has to be better than any classroom instructors. >> what we see with this instruction is that it can do a much finer level of analysis and

on-the-fly adjustment for every3 individual child who uses a. >> and it's also something >> estimate that as an -pplication that i haven't had here. with these applications and the best ones that we see on the market today, we have in them adjusting in real-time. and maybe that is advancing at a student can go a little bit further and this gives a good review from us because it has lots of things that we like to see. adapting levels of difficulty. john: there's another one called mind snacks? >> guesstimate what they do is they have language learning apps and then they have a vocabulary application for kids. this includes a number of

different vocabulary games and has the adapting levels of difficulty and remediation and the best ones that we see are those that are most sensitive to what the learner can do. john: we have reviewed almost 3000 applications, only 10% get a grade a or grade b two. >> that's right, we review what has been told is most effective from the usability design perspective. the sad fact of the matter is that there are just not a lot of really high-quality instruction on the market. john: but there will be because they have to compete with each other. >> you would be surprised at how some people choose their applications. john: thank you, karen. coming up next, fighting about all choice. >> why is this so important? >> because i have a 12-year-old

graduating from the sixth grade and she cannot spell the word girl.

john: this line goes on and on. it goes around the block. people lined up because they hoped to help those kids escape bad run schools. and thousands f parents hope for one of only one of a few hundred spots. >> here are some of the winds.

john: this woman just realized that her grandson while we pay. she's upset, but she tries to comfort her grandson. their hearts and shouldn't be token, says that the of the american federation for children. and i agreed with her, but she says that choice makes things better. >> yes, it can make things better. but in education, it means that we are setting up children or they are competing against each other. and it is the schools that do the choosing.

>> we see a pattern as the charter schools are pushing out students who have special needs, students were english language learners. >> the reality is that most in this country take the kids that are doing poorly in the schools they were assigned to. and all of the parents, all they want is greater choice for their children. the more choices they have come the more competition they have treated but also the better learning opportunity for the kids. >> let the parent tech. >> we are not letting the parent make all choices. there are certain choices that are not on the table. it's not just stay and improve your school but there's no choice to reduce this.

it is the choice to pull your child out and try one of these other schools. >> the reality is there is probably the greatest array of choice and the districts in which there are a lot of choices for parents is public and it has actually gotten better. but the reality is when you ge parents choices they make good choices and are happy with how the kids are doing. if they're not happy come in a change to another school. in every area of our society, choices work in. >> we need parents t have the power and the opportunity to transform their schools. you show a line of parents waiting to get into a school and i can show you a line of parents waiting to save their public school from being closed down. >> there has been a push by people like yourself to promote choice and push those out of the public system and into a

free-market. >> the reality is we have been stuck in a factory model of society. >> a lot of the choices are proliferating with the innovative teaching and learning. and some of the most celebrated ones emphasized test preparation and the problem is the more we emphasize the proliferation of numerical options, the more that we drain resources away from the public systems. it needs to be robust so the can take anybody who walks through the door. >> let's look at the charter schools who claim resources don't matter and it's not about money and yet they spend more money for people than the average person.

but what for? >> t reality is that most parents choose don't have as much as the traditional schools. >> we are dealing wit the question that is staring us in the face. they are providing all children with what we know to be the resources that they need. >> how much money one particular school? >> i don't have a number at the tip of my brain. but if this country, we have enormous diversions as with what students will get in school. john: you don't want to name a number. are you implying that we are spending less on schools than we used to enact. >> i understand that there are ways in which school spending has increased. some of us includes spending enormous sums now.

and there's not all the choices on the table. and we don't have a choice. >> coming up, fixing what is wrong with education. and what this college student does to pay for her ridiculously expensive college.

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john: the cost of college is now absurd. in some places, 50 or $60,000 per year. >> over the past 30 years, inflation was 1660%. we are upset that health care costs are more. 400%. college tuition, 750%. and why would that be two. john: because of government handouts. government increases financial aid. the president seems to understand the relationship. >> we cannot just keep on subsidizing skyrocketing tuition. >> government subsidizes high

tuition by throwing money at schools. what is weird is during the same speech the president says we can't keep subsidizing skyrocketing tuition and he also said that. >> my administration is increasing federal student aid so more students can afford college. [cheers] [applause] john: hello? doesn't he see the disconnect? i think that he does, but he still panders for votes by giving your money away. he also told young people that student loans, don't worry about it because we will take care of it. >> let's tell other students that when they graduate, they will be with out to pay onl10% of the income on student loans. and a of their debt will be forgiven. john: sure, free money, debts forgiven. it's not the politicians own money. the only good news that i see is that some students have gotten wind of this.

belle knox in debt. should we forgive all college wounds? >> if we forgive student deck him in the same thing that happened with the mortgage crisis is going o happen and create -- john: it invites people to behave badly. and the audience knows that they should be more knowledgeable about college costs because she became a controversial new story after it was revealed that she worked as a explicit movie star. >> $60,000 per year. so she's here to tell us why she chose this make the money. >> why did you? >> i was 18 years old and i didn't want to be saddled with $240,000 in loans by the time i graduated college. i didn't view that as a sustainable way to with my life and i didn't think it would help me in the future.

so i wanted to pay my tuition out-of-pocket wth employment being the way that it is and how hard it is to find a job, especially as someone with no skills set. i turn to adult films and it has given me a wonderful life economically. >> a lot of people are repulsed by the idea. one hostess said from the view, my heart breaks. another described you as a confused little girl who took a shortcut to blame. >> me taking out loans to them would've been more moral. people don't view adult films as an honest day's wage, they think i'm just taking the easy way out, but in reality i'm working hard for my money and i'm paying for college and i'm not relying on any government loans. or any government aid. and i think that's something i can definitely be proud of. john: i think so as well.

nobody coerced you. you're not coercing anyone. so it's not something across to that much. but do you believe that these colleges spend more because the free money that they get from the government? >> absolutely. we have an exorbitant amount of demand for college and that has only grown in the past two years because people like president obama keep drilling it into our heads that the only way to achieve the american dream is to go to a four-year institution. so we have this huge demand and colleges can respond by opening up more enrollment seats or creasing tuition and there is no push for the tuition to go lower because the government keeps throwing money at them and so essentially colleges like not wering tuition because the money keeps coming in and people

are always going to keep on enrolling. >> expended on things like saunas and men's ad women's locker rooms at duke, they pay a rap artist $70,000 to perform there, they pay the college president more than a million dollars a year. a little bit of market discipline would do them some good? >> absolutely, we're forgetting all the student loans and eventually the system is going to collapse and they will be losing the income they depended on for these renovations and the other spending that is just completely unsustainable. >> have your fellow students respond to your work two. >> it is the max, i've had a lot of students bully me and harass me. and i would get harassed.

>> how would people rescue? >> i was threatened with death, people ran roughshod over me, saying they were going to run me over with cars. >> is the whole idea of getting paid for sex that just really others a lot of people. and it particularly bothered people because i was using a framework to justify my decision to do adult films. a lot of people don't associate that as moral. john: i am glad that you are not borrowing money from taxpayers. isbelle knoxyour real name? >> no, it's not. >> no, it's not. my real name is mary

when folks think about what they get from alaska, >> no, it's not. my real name is mary they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here

creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, peop in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america. john: people in government love central planning. why don't they learn that it usually fails? it failed drastically in the soviet union and it took 70 years before people have the will and the courage to make a change. it also failed in cuba and north korea. and america's post offices in the government schools. government monopolies just don't serve the customers well and

they don't have the and then to to serve them well. but somehow politicians and others who love government control don't get that. we will hear from a couple of them tonight. why don't they get a? it drives me crazy becae it's so obvious to me. i didn't get it until i had than 15 years of consumer reporting. now, it's obvious that the only thing that does serve consumer as well as competition. if you must please you are customers or go out of business, you get better and you try harder and you innovate constantly. we showed some of that innovation beginning in education tonight, things like interactive names that make learning fun. and i reported on crter schools that found new ways to make school interesting. >> you guys look forward to going to school in the morning? >> guess. >> but learning is work? >> it doesn't matter. >> those kids enjoy school and they outperform their peers

bylaw. it is wonderful. but that also means it is a crime that only 4% of american kids have that opportunity. most of them don't have it because politicians and self-interest groups won't let them have a choice. even if desperate parents lined up hoping to win the charter school lottery that would let their kids escape oberman controlled schools, union protesters stood outside chanting don't be fooled. , aboard charter schools. they don't want competition. they saveompetition is not for education. but the opposite is true. competition gives us better movies, music, it would work for education as well if they just let it. and the union teachers don't realize that if there were competition, they would have more freedom and most would make more money and good teachers would make much more.

americans don't realize how much government spends on education now. what do you think it is per student per year $25,000? $8000 per student? it means the government spends about 200 per classroom and that would be alive. and at the correct answer is government spends more than $12,000 per student andnd that s more than 300,00 per class. ifthere are market competition, good teachers could make $200,000 and could have money left over to hire an assistant. so let's take that $12,000 and attach it to the student. freedom to send him to any school because the school competes for the money that is attached to his back. more kids could then have an experience like this kid does. >> school is fun? w is it fun to learn?

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