♪. we'll see you tomorrow. john: this is how you sound out a word -- school is changeing. >> our coarse courses break down complex ideas. >> we talk about text processing. john: entrepreneurs found way to make leaing fun. >> you lose a life when you get something wrong. john: school is fun. >> yes. jo: if they make it, it college they struggle with the cost. >> $60,000 a yea >> this girl paid for dukey doing pornography. >> high ainistration is increasing federal sdent aid.

>> education, and its enemies, that is sour show tonight. -- is our show tonight. john: biggest education controversy this year over mmon core. the supporters say this is eye single common standard that tells parents, in every state, this is when your kid ought to know, some union teachers ar upset. >> they are crippleing our student's education, and joy of learning, common coretandards they must contan ly struggle. to push themselves to levels that are not developly arope yeahappropriate. john: no say common core support

supporters. >> life is full of measures sticks, how smart we are, how fast we are how well we can you know compete. but until now, it has been hd to tell how well kids are competeing in school, and how will they will do when they get out of school, that is where common core standards come in. john: here is a mag problem >> compose, and decompose numbers from 11 to 19,o 10 ones, and further ones by using op jecing on o draws and record each. >> that is my wel produceer. asking peoplo solve a common cormaccore -- smack -- >> seem complex, no kidding. that is a problem for the kindergarten students.

robert of institute said common co is a good thing. helping american kids compete. cory said no, it is just more central planning, it will fail, again and again. you are from a conservative group. common core? why? >> you have to remember what led us here. we had 50 different states and standards and tests. we saw was a dumbing down employee saw it in south bronx. ki counting on fingers, then they get test results back they were level 3 and level 4. i knew they were not as good as test said, but that bar kt getting lower and lower.

john: the no child left behind, we better lower standards? >> there w no reason for a state. to do that, if i have to prove my kid was proficient but i set the bar what do i do? you set it low. you may not likeommon core, but remember practice what -- what brought us here,. here,. john: now we have central planning. >>, i am not sure i agree with centra planning, you had front states raceing to the trough to get the fed money, i wish it had not happened >> its ease fo easy to say how - john: some are saying we remember in but now we want to be out. indiana, oklahoma, south carolina, mo missouri, louisiana.

>> right now in america, there are professional development going on, new thing will come in to classroom, principal will told miss nelson, here is how do you it now. she will smile, and she will say thank you. and shut her door, and do what she always does. she is a good teacher, if a principal can't get her to change practice, i don't think that barack obama will have a better chance. >> that is the problem that common core came with a package of things that requires to get in classroom with teacher, federal government requireed state to make those test matters for teacher's performance, she said, would be say shame if something happened to your state money. they would have common core, because the feds are pip calling tune. john: a q question some first

graders get. >> what is 32 minus 12, 20, right? bu not under the n new common core method. >> why are they doing this backward method. >> this man trained in nuclear engineering does not understand. >> i do not understand. >> he was not alone. >> this i how you arrive at the answer. >> tt is insane, so my steps. >> why does it have to be so complicated. >> and third greaters. 426 and 17 by breaking apart numbers that make it 10. -- what? >> we ge energy another shot. >> you are looking lost. >> why would you break it down that way, tha is 4 steps more than you need to get to same result.

>> make sense. >> no, that is ridiculous. >> now, i know why he had trouble in mag, which i had to pay for math tutors. john: a lot of peoe are saying my kid does not like mh any more. >>y would say that not common re, i saw equations like this ever day in my mac math textboo. >> it is not. if you look at common core, it does particular said to do what ricky was doing, tells kid, to have you play all these number games befor y get to standard alga rhythm. john: there has to be a better way to learn, these are not idiots petitioni it. >> well, assumeing too much. john: like your twitter accou

background, you have bart simpson saying, i will quit blaming common core. >> that has become a whipping boy. neil: but central -- john: but central planning ould be a whipping boy. for example all cars have a standard. >> you have come to accept it withars. >> and food and building codes. >> i'm going to one up your car example, one of my favorite ways to common core henry ford response with model t, you can have any color you like, so lon

as it i plaque, that is yo bla,g as you can have any curriculum you want so long as your k does good on tests. >> one big criticism of common core, central planning, who buys textbooks, who hires teachers in local school districts. john: government. >> be that as it may, federal government is not telling you who should teach your kid in your lal school district. >> the gates foundation is, they set up a committee to review those textbook to fit, com commn corps.ou say gates foundatio a scheme with america, that comes with money, the eduecrats acceptt. >> in 1833, time was not

standardizeed in this country. john: that is good. >> and you know why, railroads s gave up standard time. hn: the tie to dom -- common core? >> standds arrive when we need them. if dom op core goes away tomorrow we'll have other horrible international comparisons. john: why not have choice? parents would figure out which schools taught well. >> i'm a big choice aocate. >> it sounds like it. >> it makese nervous, you can have choice in certain things,

there is a low priceo pay, if somebody chooses badly, you don't get a second. john: but they get no good choices now they are stuck in a monopoly >> so where is conflict between saying we' choice but everyone has to build a car to aertain safety standard, if you want to run a school there are certain conditions to meet. john: on street we fouound one person who liked it. >> the concept is good. >> a teacher h been teaching common core. >> once people get comfortable with it, they won't remember the way it used to be. >> can you imagine why they are frustrated. >> absolutely. john: another problem. >> subprabgz woul traction subte minus $4 3 left. if you -- 7 minus 4. >> you are showing h he additio.

>> joy? >> this illustrat, we're talking about standard this is problem with calling this set standard, it implies there is somethg good about it. so safety standards are fferent. that is a different level than walking into a classroom, and saying we know more than you out what your kids should learn. >> you are uncomfortable describes the level that kids should be able to get to ed keyinucationa >> i am comfortable saying it for my own children, not saying i should be gre education -- >> look at common core as a all but saying due core knowledge. get scice and history.

>> that is great thing to say. there are 57 words say they should have a great curriculum, but they don't provide it. >> we can't. >> we're not allowed by law. >> thank you. you with twe with that hash tag back t back-to-school. coming up better ways in my opinion, to learn. also, cost of higher education, what this girl did to pay that cost. ♪ music

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john: watching debate over common core. andrew points out, in cover story, common core happened 8 years after president bush and kennedy not together to give us an approach to learning no child

left behind. >> in that box is a bill, i don't intend to read it all. >> he signed it without reading itnd the crowd cheered. >> no child left behand came 8 years after president clinton. ught a -- 2000. >> that world css education standard. >> crowd aplaye applauded that. but goal 2000 of rereworking are a school reform plan called america 200 2000 pushed by first president bush. he said it was revolutiory, saide wanted toe called education president, and camera followed him into a classroom. does this look familiar? 7 years before president bush's national educati strategy,

president reagan punched something similar. >> i wonder why that of needed, done president carter resto excellence? >> we will open up first time, some 0 subtio 0 substantial benr our country. john: promises to fix america's education problem. >> i am determined we'll cut o unnecessary regulations. john: please, for 40 years education bureaucrats added unnecessary forms and applations and red tape, education reform like an itch that reformers cannot scratch. and why should say, new education reform brings the money. and since reforms never work all right reform creates a need for more reform, and more money, america spends 3 times what we spent when jimmy carter fixed

problem by creating the department of education. trouble money no improvement. improvement for professional education researchs, money comes from government and foundations and army of these ed youcrats -- edcrats found work at lobbyists. so great a mass of these specialists cannot be kept idle, after 40 years of failed reform they brought us another common core. >> i believe common core state standards may prove to be move important thing to happen in america. >> this will work. they say, fergieing for said thator of spreaation reform is a -- ferguson said that the world of education

reform is a cozy fraternity, they feed off wealth of the bill and mel inda gates foundation, and common core would not exist without, that bill putsi sleep, so we will listen to melissa. saying that common core. >> these are what i need to know mytion students learn this year. >> those are standards only an edid youcrat could love or understand. >> oneide fitting all may be a mockery. but experts one size fits wall is ideal, they find choke with charts, graphing. 300 million dollars keeps a lot of experts busy, this money down the drain, allows common core advocates to say, that the federal different of education cannot produce those commonore standards, our nation's ed

youcrats from deuceed them, but this i without a difference, now school year begins, common core will be tested. then, new tests will reveal, oops, they are still not learning,they will come you were with a new national reform, this one with teeth, high stakes consequences, a new president ll fun it with new money, and declare it is a national priority. she will want to be called educational president too, the free market may overcome the edrats and the government, new and better ways to learn are appearing millions of people have mastered a language by playing a game on their cell phone, a free game. >> languages are split into bite size skill skills that feel like

games, you lose a love when y get something wrong. >> when we return. other better ideas, tools that make learning fun.

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feedback. and it's a better way to learn. thanks to new technology, all kinds of good things are happening in here to tell us about it is my next guest. >> it's a reallynteresting model that they have at duolingo. not like somethi that can with any other company. what they do is once the students have developed the skills and the language, they allow learners the opportunity to translate documents like menus and more things and then do a presentation ompanies. john: or something having to do with robots? >> robots? >> yes, but this isn't something youay not have seen. it's arobot that's in a classroom and it may be where the faith ought to be and thee3

kids can then communicate with a teacher at a distance. the teacher can view the kids and their work through the ipad and it's a fascinating sort of alternative although it is a bit creepy. john: some companies most excited about interactive education are like this one. >> this is how you sound out a word. >> what is exciting is that it's a completely interesting system. >> that has to be better than any classroom instructors. >> what we see with this inruction is tha it can do a much finer level of analysis and

on-the-fly adjustment for every3 individual child who us a. >> and it's also something >> estimate that as an -pplication tt i haven't had here. with these aplications and the best os that we see on the market today, we have in them adjusting in real-time. and maybe that is advancing at student can go a little bit further and this gives a good review from us because it has lots of things that we like to see. adapting levels of difficulty. john: there's another one called mind snacks? >> guesstimate what they d is they have language learning apps and then they have a vocabulary application for kids. is includes a number of

diffent vocabulary games and as the adapting levels of difficulty and remediation and the best ones that we see are those that are most sensitive to what the learner can do. john: we have reviewed almost 3000 applications, only 10% get a grade a or grade b two. >> that's right, we review what has been told is most effective from the usabilit design perspective. the sad fact of the matter is that there are just not a lot of really high-ality instruction on the market. john: but there will be because they have to compete with each other. >> you would be surprised at how some people choose their applications. john:thank you, karen. coming up next, fighting about all choice. >> why is this so important? >> because i have a 12-year-old

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john: this line goes on and on. it goes around the block people lined up because they hoped to help those kids escape bad run schools. and thousands of parents hope for one of only one of a few hundred spots. >> here e some of the winds.

john: thi woman just realized that her grandson whilee pay. she's upset, but she tries to comfort her grandson. their hearts and shouldn't be token, says that the of the american federation for children. and i agreed with her, but she says that choice makes things better. >> yes, it can make things better. but in education, it means that we are setting up children or they are competing against each other. and it is th schools that do the choosing.

>> we see a pattern as the charter schools are pushing out students who have special needs, students were english language learners. >> the reaty is that most in this country take the kids that are doing poorly in the schools they were assigned to. and l of the parents, all they want is greaterchoice for their children. the more choices they have come the more competition they have treated but also the better learning opportunity for the kids. >> let the parent tech. >> we are not letting the parent make all choices. there are certain choices that are not on the table. it's not just stay and improve your school but there's no choice to rede this.

it is the choice to pull your child outnd try one of these other schools. >> the reality is there is probably the greatest array of choice and the districts in which there are a lot of choices for parents is public and it has actually gotten better. but the reality is when you give parents choices they make good choices and are happy with how the kids are doing. if they're not happy come in a change to another school. in every area of our society, choices work in. >> we need parents to have e power and the opportunity to transform their schools. you ow a line of parents waiting to get into a school and i can show you a line of parents waiting to save their public school from being closed down. >> there has been a push by people like yourself to promote choice and push those out of the public system and into a

free-market. >> the reality is we have been stuck in a factory model of society. >> a lot of the choes are proliferating with the innovative teaching and learning. and some of the most celebrated ones emphasized test preparation and the problem is the more we emphasize the proliferation of numerical options, the more that we drain resources away from the public systems. it needs to be robust so they can take anybody who walks through the door. >> let's look atthe charter schools who claim resources don't matter and it's not about money and yet they spend more money for people than the average person.

but what for? >> the reality is that most parents choose don' have as much as the traditional schools. >> we are dealing ith the question that is staring us in the face. they are providing all children with what we know to be the resources that they need. >> how much money one particular school? >> i don't have a number at the tip of my brain. but if this country, we have enormous diversions as with what studnts will get inschool. john: yu don't want to name a number. are you implying that we are spending less on schoo than we used to enact. >> i understand that there are ways in which school spending has increased. some ofus includes speding enormous sums now.

anand there's notall th choices on the table. and we don't have a choice. >> coming up, fixing what is wrongith education. and what this college student does to p for her ridiculously expensive college.

john: the cost of college i now absurd. in some places, 50 or $60,000 per year. >> over the past 30 years, inflation was 160%. we are upset that health care costs are more. 400%. college tuition, 750%. and why would that be two. john: because of government handouts. government increases financial aid. the president seems to understand the relationship. >> we cannot just keep on subsidizing skyrocketing tuition. >> government subsidizes high

tuition by throwing money at schools. what is weird is during the same speech the president says we can't keep bsidizing skyrocketi tuition and he also said that. >> my administration is increasing federal student aid so more students can afford college. [cheers] [applause] john: hello? doesn't he see the disconnect? i think that he does, but he still panders for votes by givingour money away. he also told young people that student loans, don' worry about it becausee will take caref it. >> let's tell other students that when they graduate,hey will be with out to pay only 10% of the income on student loans. and all of their debt will be forgiven. john: sure, free money, debts forgiven. it's not the politicians own money. the only good news that i see is that soe stuents havegotten wind of this.

belle knox in debt. should we forgive all college wounds? >> if we forgive student deck him in the same thing that happened with the mortgage crisis is going to happen and create -- john: it invites people to behave badly. and the audience knows that they should be more knowledgeable about college costs because she became a controversial new story after it was reveal that she worked as a explicit movie st. >> $,000 per yer. so she's here to tell us why she chose this make the money. >> why did you? >> i was 18 years old and i didn't want to be saddled with $240,000 in loans by the time i graduated college. i didn't view that as a sustainable way to with my life and i didn't think it would help me in the future.

so i wanted to pay my tuition out-of-pocket with employment being the way that it is and how hard it is to find a job, especlly as someone wh no skills set. i turn to ult films and it has given me a wonderful life economically. >> a lot of people are repulsed by the idea. one hostess said from the view, my heart breaks. another describedou as a confused littlegirl who took a shortcut to blame. >> me taking out loans to them would've been more moral. people don't view adultilms as ahonest day's wage, they think i'm just taking the easy way out, but in rlity i'm working hardor my money and i'm paying for college and i'm not relying on any government loans. or any government aid. and i think that's something i can definitely be proud of. john: i think so aswel

nobody coerced you. you're not coerng anyone. so it's not something across to that much. but d you believe that these colleges spend more because of the free money that they get from the government? >> absolutely. we have an exorbitantmount of demand for college and that has only grown in the past two years because people like president obama keep drilling it into our heads thathe only way to achieve the american dream is to go to a four-year institution. so we havethis huge demand and colleges can respondy opening up more rollment seats or creasing tuition and there is no push for the tuition to go lor because the government keeps throwg money at them and so essentially colleges like not lowering tuition bause the ney keeps coming in and peop

are always going to keep on enrolling. >> expended on things like saunas and men's and women's locker rooms at duke, they pay a rap artist $70,000 to perform there, they pay the college president more than a million dollars a year. a little bitof market discipline would do them some good? >> absolutely, we're forgetting all the student loans and evenally the system is going to collapse and they will be losing the income they depended onfor these renovations and the other spending that just completely unsustainae. >> have your fellow students respond to you worktwo. >> it is the max, i've had a lot of students bully me and harass me. and i would get harassed.

>> how would people rescue? >> i was threatened with death, people an roughshod over me, saying they were going to run me over with cars. >> is the whole idea of getting paid for sex that just really others a lot of people. and it particularly bothered people because i was using a frameork to justify my decision to do adult films. t of people don't associate that as moral. john: i am glad that you are not borrowing money from taxpayers. is belle knox your real nam >> no, it's ot. >> no, it's ot. my real name is mary

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john: people in government love ceral planning. why don't they learn at it usually fails? it failed drastically in the soviet union and it took 70 years before people have the will and the courage to make a change. it also fled in cuba and north korea. and america's post offices in the government schools government monopolies just don't serve the customers well and

they don't have the and then to to serve them well. but somehow politicians and others who love gvernment control don't get that. we will hear from a couple of them toight. whyon'tthey get a? it drives me crazy because it's so obvious to me. i didn't get it until i had than 15 years of consumer reporting. now, it's obvious that the oy thing that does serve consumer as well as competition. if you must please you are customers or go out of business, yo get better and you try harder and you innovate constantly. we showed some of tt innovation beginning in education tonight, things like interactive names that make learning fun. and i reported on charter hools that found new ways to make school interesti. >> you guys look forward to going to school in the morning? >> guess. >> but learning is work? >> it doesn't matter. >> those kids enjoy school and they outperform thei peers

bylaw. it is wonderful. but that also means it is a crime that only 4% of american kids have that opportunity. most of them don't have it because politicians and self-interest groups won't let them have a choice. even if desperate parents lined up hoping to win the charter school lottery that would let their kids escape oberman controlled schools, union prosters stood outside chanting don't be fooled. , aboard arter schools. they don't wa competition. they save competition is not for education. but the opposite is true. competion ges us better movies, music, it would work for education as well if they just let it. and the union teache don't realize that if there were competition, they would have more freedom and most would make more money good teachers wold make much more.

americans don't realize how much government spends on education now. what do you think it is per student per year $25,000? $8000 per student? it means the government spends about 200 er classroom and that would be alive. and at the correct answer is government spends more than $1000 per student and that is more than 300,000 per class. if there are market competition, good teachers could make $200,000 and could have money left over to hire anassistant. so let's take that $12,000 and attach it to the student. freedom to send him to any school becausethe school coetes for the money that is attached to his back. more kids could then have an experience like this kid does. >> school is fun? how is it fun to learn?

>> all kids deserve that and we know what works. competition. what america's children enjoy their benefits. that is our show and we wille e >> and that is it for the show, and "bulls and bes u "coming up next. >> i believe that we will win. i believe that we will win. the minimum wage raging in more than 150 u.s. cities this week. and the one demand? double the pay. hundreds off landing in cuffs to make the point, but what about this point -- the job market is slowing. millions of americans are still looking for work, and now some here are warning that if these guys get their way, more workers will be t of work. who is right? hi, everyone. i'm brenda buttner, and this is "bulls and bears." gary b. smith,