>> william, i am david asman in for neil cavuto. president obama saying he will not take action on immigration until after the midterm election, saying that decision is not political but my next guest not so sure, gop fundraiser, noel said that vulnerible democrats have been pushing the president to punt, this is a direct response to that, joining me with the fox business all-stars.

noel it is obvious that this is political. does anyone believe it is not? skwhr- no, i >> no, right now it is political. with g.o.p. on the hill, even someone like nate silver, said you know this will be leaning g.o.p., this is a tough situation, right now, if obama would do anything with immigration it would rally -- look i worked in 2010 midterms for senator john bozeman against -- it was because of the obamacare vote he won that election. republicans are strong voters in midterms, one more thing that obama does could sense the g.o.p. over the edge. >> emily, who do you think is more vulnerible, politically? democrats are with angry border state, and states not near the border to which a lot of

immigrants have been sent to be resettle or republicans that concerned about the latino vote? >> i think underlying this, a lot of senate democrats are doing better. a lot of the incumbents are doing better than people expected. for president that comes out with an executive order that goes around congress, that could potentially rea ryal up a repubn base. this could become a national issue that could damage you know vulnerible democrats in the states. >> you admit, you are closer to democratic side than republican, you admit this is a political move? >> i think this is political in a sense, if he did introduce it, and there is a republican wave, immigration could become a issue that is targeted as so poisonous. >> emack. i thought a lot of democrats

thought, in that scenario that it would fall more negatively against the republicans who have to worry about the latino votes. >> interesting that is what is a concern, certainly in colorado. because, incumbents there -- >> or in california. >> or states you just mentioned. you think they would swing against the g.o.p., but i think right now. with focus on is president defying the law, and circumvents congress, unconstitutionaly with a very controversial push to do amnesty via an executive action, the question, if democrats go throw a pasteing in midterms will president dial back on any executive action such azamest iny. >> that is a good question, let's talk about immigration are before your most recent book, you wrote a book called "let them in." in light of what happened with

kids coming in without their parents, have you changed your views at all about open borders. >> no this is a argument that the free market handle the immigration levels better than a group of patrol tigs in -- politicians in washington, the market does a good job of allocating capital. >> even though we do not have a free market. we have a free market that is heavily manipulated by the free government, and where incentives are all askew, a lot of welfare programs are used as lures to pull in immigrants who are more interested in some cases in welfare than work. >> i wrote the book to take on a lot of those arguments, including well the fai -- welfae argument magnet. the points is that. >> yo you know i speak as a husd

of an immigrant. >> you have guys like george borjas, he is not where i am on immigration. you look at who is on welfare, a lot of immigrants are poor, but among the poor living here. what immigrants are under represented not over represented. >> noel, this is an argument that other people make, that including at various times, but rand paul is there any other republican, besides ran paul or rand paul himself that will take up the argument leading up to election? >> i think everyone a the tape where rand paul was confronted with an immigrant situation and veered off from it, like at a barbecue or something. i think this is such a hot button issue, i am not sure that anyone on the g.o.p. side is really, you know, gunning to take this on. >> let me just suggestion

something. i'll throw this to you. i think that there is a way that g.o.p. to win over immigrants, to say, you guys know better than anybody in the world how alawful the ins is. you could say this is example of big government we're trying to change. if you think that the ins is bad, you should be against all government bureaucracys and come with us. >> a great points. and a footnote people from central america and south america have witnessed first hand the worst governments. you have same problem in central america, people want to come here legally, this is about border security, you would think that the children of the illegal immigrants would not want to grow up in a society with no

border security. >> emack did not mention cuba now a new group of rafters, who half die between the stra*euts ostraightsbetween cuba and miamr of them eaten by sharks. >> well, david, your points is, not bad. sure, republicans taking up that points. try to make it. but that would mean that republicans would have to start to talk with immigrants people of any immigration status like they are people. like they have human rights. >> hold on, emlyly emily, hold on, that is an insult that cannot go without rejoinder, a lot of people in republican party speak, a lot come from immigrant families, you know that is an insult that does not deserve it. >> but, what about marco rubeo did try to take a straopblg

strong humanitarian perspective, in bipartisan group to create a bill with strong border protection. and he is backed off of it because of strong opposition. >> okay. >> quick last word. >> this is something that president promised to do. >> he promised time and again, but he had democrats and senate and help. >> robustly, this is a president who is not interested in a solution, he is interested in the issue to use against his political opponent, paint them at nativeists and racists, he does not want solution, he wans issues for political reasons. >> president obama laying his plans to take out isis, officials saying it could take a really long time, the man that many call the architect of the iraq war, why this will be a long, long war.

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is not surprised saying that military has no guidance, good to have you here, another thing military has is no confidence to seems to be in the commander in chief, i have never seen, military almost actively vocal about their critique of the commander in chief. >> i think that president obama created a lot of confusion because he spend days, talking about defineing his mission in different terms. confusion he created was by talking some points about dismantleing and other points containing and other points destroying isis, then he said isis is a major threat to united states but we will fight them only if we can get a coalition, and no american combat boots on the ground, that raises a question, if they are a may why are threat, and they have to be destroyed, and we can't get a coalition, does that mean we're

not destroying them, or if we have to use boots on the ground, at moment he created a enormous amount of confusion. david: he seems confused about what a war is. simply, seems to think unless we declare war there is no war, even if somebody else, in particular a group with a large chunk of geography declared war against us as isis has. >> true, a 59 that we've -- a points that we've made about 9/11, that was not the beginning of the war that islamist extremists had. it of the points where most importance realized we are at war. there is an international movement of i islamist extremiss who consider themselves as war with us.

whether president obama wants to acknowledge it or not, it is there. david: it is understood by some, even some mile in a commanding position, voiceing their dismay, comcommandant of corps, while he said, we may think we're done with all of these nasty thorny tacky things that are going on in the world, but they are not done with us. that is the commandant of the marine corps, i have never heard a sitting com commandant be that hard. >> he is making a valid points. david: i am just wondering how far this goes this sort of disagreements with the commander in chief, that could upset the chain of command, could it not? >> well, policy is as should properly be made by the president, and the military is

trained to follow the strategy and guidance of the president. military people should not push for their own policies. the unhappiness i think you hear from a number of military people is, relateed to the fact that the president is not providing clear strategic guidance. even though he made it clear he wants military operations he is not giving them guidance for those operations. >> even when i en we were talking about past about build up of isis. just a week ago, when the second american was killed, on air, we have a moment of indecision. that is the most, when a commander in chief has to act, decisively. henry kissinger was on the news yesterday, talking about this, we will play a sound bite from henry kissinger said about what should have happened. >> when an american is murdered on television for the purpose of

terrorizeing americans, there should be a response that you cannot -- you would not analyze in terms of a normal response to provocation. david: what do you think of that? >> well, he is -- i think he has a points. the president needs to provide insight leadership scramic guidance -- stragic guidance he needs to react to problem in a world in a way that strikes the american people as realistic, as understanding, the nature of the problem. as moraly appropriate to the outrageousness of the attack. and unfortunately, president obama has fallen down on every score. david: it seems so, doug feith thank you very much appreciate it. we thought we had seen it all

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yelp. a judge ruled that is okay. randy not extortion, what is it. >> it is nothing. the whole mark of etoerg, you havhaveeextortion,you have to dg wrongful, if you have a right to do something, you don't have a gun to somebody's head, don't do business with yelp. david: advertise -- if you want to do business with yelp you have to play ball. >> right, but if is not extoerg iexextortion it is defaming a. if they go back, and find proof they could bring this type of lawsuit against or a defamation. david: defamation is tough to prove? >> there is an issue of, is it

false. if it is not false, if is not defamation. david: even if it is written by the yelp folks. >> there are laws that say, if i say something bad about you, and i put it on a site, the site is not responsible if all they do is put it on the site, if the site changes the content, then the site could have a problem. here, if we are talking about ex extortion we're not talking about defamation. david: move to story of hour, tmz sports releasing a graphic video, baltimore ravens running back, ray rice, literally knocking out his then fiance, now, ravens released him, you say, he has already been through his trial. to see him cold cock her, and her head hit that handrail, then be knocked out, that changes

things does it not? >> it does but the nfl had their chance the first time, they had the video, they saw it they chose to go with a lesser punishment, that everyone agrees was not severe enough ar for wht he dhe went to court, he fought this, a first time ourb ofenders granted counseling, they are married they -- >> i know, and randy that is the points, she did not press charges. but it sort of goes beyond her personal concerns. we can't let a horrendous bit of trial activity like that go unchecked. and with a two-game suspension that did go unchecked? >> this is a fascinating thing happening now that ray rice is no longer a member of the baltimore ravens. you really have to say to yourself, did the ravens bailout the nfl?

let's assume that even though the commissioner he is not federal government, he is not state government or a prosecutor, there is no double jeopardy, he could go back, say, i didn't have this evidence before, i have it now. i changed my mind. david: i have to press you. it might be moot, but do you think looking at the videos, where he is dragging her out and the one with him cold cocking her, a 2-game suspension is calllall heha has to pay. >> no, but the nfl made that decision, and the ravens are bailing him out, nfl made that decision, and needed to stick to that decision. they since amended rules, now the an suspension would be 4 or6 games, but that was their decision based on rules in place at that time. david: but, it calls into question the ability of rodger goodell to judge

proportionality. there are some players who lost a season because they popped a pill. >> josh gordon, is done for the year because he smoked pot. here is the problem, you have a parallel proceeding, a criminal provideing and administrative proceeding like nfl disciplinary. you look at criminal case -- >> hold on, you are saying that legally. but, goodell is protects the reputation of a instution of the united states, doesn't he have to be more aware of pro portionality. >> but ray rice never had to plead guilty to anything, he did not admit any wrong doing. in hindsight the punishment may have been too light 92 ashley. >> a lot of these players with had 6 games or more susstion uns because they had repeated

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you -- optimistic, you impress us so much in worst of times, in late 70s they seemed to be most depressing moment of my life economically speaking but that is when companies like apple and fedex started, sometimes business people work through the worry? >> a business perso person to be successful has to be optimistic, because you have to inspire other people, we're wireed to be optimistic. but the time is good right now in terms of horizon, acknowledgeing all problem that identified early. david: talk about a couple of those problem, every other time coming out of a recession, in my lifetime we lowered tax rates and lowered regulation to stimulate the economy. this is so-called recovery, where tax rates have gone up anding layings hav -- regulations have increased, making it more difficult to do business. have you fewer businesses, no?

>> i agree with that, this is putting a huge cap on when we're seeing in terps of rate of growth. but other side, country has a huge amount of unused capacity in labor and kw-789 equipment, it is swimming in cash, and we have an energy surplus coming at us, they are so positive. david: does next election matter to business people? >> yes, if you had that -- if you have regulatory crime at get worse, and tax climate continue to get worse, that is a strong counter veiling inthrough epbgs, sflewence -- influence. david: did you doe candidates addressing this? we're appealing tinging folks we hireing? >> i think a climate for republicans feel like they can stand in place and win, democrats are on the defensive side, i don't think we're

engaged in a dialogue that touches what it would -- this economy could grow at 4% gdp growth right now, i don't hear anybody addressing that. david: i think that you think that economy could grow at 4% as well, but does is surprise that you one of leading businessmen in america thinks there is no domecrat addressing this issue. >> i am surprised as level of optimism in thes low but i am st is not lower, a education system that is doing a poor job of educateing a large swath. and a education that is forcing us to deport talent after they graduate from best universities, and a tax code, the highest corporate tax rate in the western world. david: yet eyou listen to brad, you think it is coming up roses. >> he is optimistic. he sees a potential.

listen, what is going to too, there is economic hyper condryia because of the relentless miss jane hathaway negative rhetoric that is coming out of the administration. that is affecting the mood of the nation, that is the negative rhetoric. david: divorce for a moment, political debates about what to do with the economy, is that optimism stkropbger tha strongey political roa roadblocks that cd be put in front of it. >> the optimism among young people is strong, they feel like it is on them their future can and should be bright, they look for different ways to go around the current system. david: you think they are willing to work as hard as previous generations did to get there. >> i do, i don't believe it looked lik like it in the past.

>> brad, you are dealing with many millennials? >> yes,. david: are they a part of that booming economy? >> yeah, i think they are willing to work, not everyone, but certainly there are really passionate people in that generation, they have better tools than any generation had. i agree with that drag we have, and they push through. but, i think i share your optimism about this generation, their willingness to push through. david: jason. >> they are optimistic because they know there is is so much time left in obama presidency. maybe someone will come along. and end the fed policy. of loose money that is keeping that wages. and -- maybe that is why they are optimistic. >> we have about 20 seconds, brad, any particular, you mentioned energy? tremendous potential, anything

else? why don't you get into something more before you hang up your hat? >> well, i am on 8 boards, i am in other eco systems. david: start your own business. >> well, i am too lazy. i am counting on my kids to do it. david: that is interesting, what do your kids want to do? >> they want to make the world -- they are naive, they want to make the world perfect. some of are nonfor profits, i would be more comfortable if they work for profit, they are not depressed. david: brad anderson thank you, so great to hear somebody so optimistic thank you so much. we hear more from the panel. and republicans are not only ones blasting president obama for golfing. find out what the president is saying about himself. coming next. guys! you're not gonna believe this!

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david: getting ready for home sales to rise this fall? my next guest is not counting on it. saying lending regulations could cripple housing, why? >> hello, david, there is no mistake that government plays a direct role. in supply of mortgage credit. there are 200 new rules they implemented this year, and exposed to things that are think isive, have you on subjective, strou apply th.you have to appla fairway without abusing anybody. it brings into credit boxes, lenders try to protect themselves against the unknowns. david: i've seen stories sinew regulations came in. about the inspector general of

the fhfa saying they are not doing enough for consumer protection, but, you can't protect everyone from everything. in particular, you can't stop idiots from making dumb mistakes. that is what a lot of the laws want to try to do. >> like the government has puppy cradle death send om rom, they - syndrome, they hold the consumer so tightly they break their ne neck. david: you try to do, protect maybe 1 or 2% of people that make the dumb mistakes that sometimes cripples the majority of people that just want alone. a loan. >> right, there i is always a bd

actor in the market play for sure, but that small amount is having an impact on cost of credit, and availability of creds for other people. david: we've created rules and recessions and bureaucracys like i knew consumer financial protect agency that brain child of liz warren, who is now u.s. senator, that is her legacy, kong does nocongress does not hy authority, it is under the authority of the federal reserve board. how do you deal with that? this is huge roadblock to development and housing is it not? >> it is well intentioned growing exponentialy can take up to 10% of the fed's think about, budget, they are enforcing the rules but there ar are still too many

unknowns. and inspector general they are measure think i success on reco, they are watchdogs, pointed by obama administration. david: how do you grease the skids, would greaseing themy is much we slide into a financial crisis? >> joking but, you senderic holder on a -- eric holder on a long vacation, you have to stop suing the guys you want to let in. and stop throwing new rules at these guys before they had a chance to imminen implement then place. instead of suing or punishing the participants you should look for opportunitys to partner. david: thank you tim rood . >> president obama admiting that golfing, just moments after addressing james foley's murder

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>> after the statement that i made, that i should have anticipated the opt picks, you -- optics, you know that's part of the job. david: president obama admitting that playing golf after foley's death was bad optics, that was an understatement. >> i take it personaly, after 9/11, mayor rudy you'll yani guliani sprung into action, immediately,

wearing a hardhat, and where do we find obama, out on a golf course, smiling. david: if my mind this is a failure of leadership. >> absolutely, what is optics, that is political speak. it is not really an apology that is critical for leaders to acknowledge. i made a mistake, it was not right, optics is not a word most understand. david: this is an american, two americans were brutally murdered, i understand all human life is second raid, but we're -- sacred, but we're a nation that stood under every american, when one american of at risk we used all we had to get rid of that risk. >> we failed. and the fact is that folks are disappointed, they are expecting our leaders to be decisive take action and have a sense of

purpose, and really democrat that we are -- demonstrate we're there when a crisis like this occurs, not playing golf. david: president obama is not running for office again, is he vulnerible? did he make his party srurler in owervulnerible onthis issue, stt death in terms of statistics, only a million that died, we view every individual american life as precious, is that something that a republican said we do that other side does not? >> it is a legacy of leadership, if he is communicating that message, then people will take away that there is not a commitment to individuals to human life. that we're willing to sacrifice an individual for just, a nonevent. and that i think is very difficult for americans to swallow. david: say that hillary clinton, becomes the democratic nominee, the hypothetical, if 4eu8r hills

running for president, has she got to walk back when this president did on that after james foley murder. >> she already may be doing that. who knows how he is carefully strategizing around what -- how she wants to distance herself from some of obama's decisions and whether she approves of his actions post decaptation. this is clear that she is probably silence right now, but planning some sort of a comment. david: but then of course, she has to deal with, what difference does it make. this points where she said what happened in benghazi. implying they are already dead, you can't wreub bring them backt of demeaning to a lot of people's ear. >> a very interesting points, communication is 90% of convict, and passion. if she said it with conviction,

and passion and embraces what happened, her disapproval most will listen to her right now rather than think about a couple years ago. david: is there anyway that president, he has 2 1/2 years left in office, anyway he can restraeb hireestablish his cred. >> i good leaners have a vision, they cumed -- leaders have a vi, they communicate well, they have a sense of purpose, he needs to take ownership, let's see him rise to the occasion now. david: all right. thank you, roy. donald sterling's racist rant forcing him to his nba team, now he is not alone, the sterling sequel, right after this. when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america.

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car nba teams going out of style ? the latest selling his stake in the team after admittedly sending a racially offensive the man's like this one. my theory is that the black crowd scared away the whites and there are simply not enough to affluent black fans to build a significant season-ticket base. an adjacent, first to you. was this to heart? was he too hard on himself in terms of trying to find a way of commercializing the black-and-white consumers of his product? >> i've read this a few times. i cannot find anything remotely offensive. this reads to me like a very astute businessman trying to diversify the demand for his product, which is what all businesses to. david: he himself has come out and issued an apology. he defended his decision essaying cahuenga if your angry about what i wrote, you should

be. i'm angry at myself. was inflammatory nonsense. we all may have subtle biases and preconceptions, but my role as a leader is to challenge and. he would say he is making a mistake. >> a function of this hypersensitive racial climate that we live then. make hay out of this, but it is not a function of the substance of what was in this memo. >> people took offense when he said blacks would scare away whites. people took offense of that. i hear what your saying. he did not have the data points to support. you know, we have to think long and hard about what is happening markey been warned about a slippery slope. people see you behind the scenes and how it can be misconstrued. i think what is happening here even though this team made it to

the playoffs seven years straight, their 28 out of 35th in attendance and trying to figure out why. david: it should be noted that levenson is the one who really hopped on sterling from the clippers. call one of the first people who said he have to have is zero tolerance. and with him having to noted the zero tolerance wasn't the sort of obligated note to do the same to himself? for chancres everyone to read the mail. his speech for itself. this is no donald sterling. i think it's completely unfair. david: that is the problem with the political correctness we have. any legitimate discussion of our race might affect sales of your product, whenever that a product is, whether it's a sports team or never will immediately be assumed to be racist.

>> we look at the audience, the demographics command the target. the target based on income level , age, gender. david: what is wrong with that? it might be politically incorrect, but you have to deal with that. >> and i hear what your saying. people to lump things together because it is easy. i think this gentleman is not like mr. sterling. he reacted pretty quickly. david: you did think there was something wrong. >> i'm pointing out what people took offense to. you know, blacks are scaring away whites. david: where does it go from here? >> i hate to see. david: just a hint of racial consideration. year after quick. >> right after he said that he said that's my theory. i think it's racist nonsense. he said all of that.

>> it is clear there crying -- trying to struggle through. again, 20th out of 30. this team is made the playoffs seven years straight. >> don't they like our racial diversity course he also mentioned. david: he has a home here in washington d.c. the figure is something like 70 percent black. 15 percent at the washington basketball games are black. so is that something that has to be considered? even though washington d.c. is in a black community, the fact that most of the attendees are white, overwhelmingly white, do you appeal to them? >> and make a business decision. making business decisions. again, that is a function of whom cannot afford the tickets, income levels and so forth.

>> everyone has a stake in making the leaves look like america. you see them highlight certain players based on race. they do this and the nba, other sports and corporations. david: one of the busiest hypocrisies, the fact at all if we were totally race neutral we would have a mix of white players. >> paddle just hired dr. jury. that hasn't been to do with them wanting to of breach of black to the graphic. >> they're is a tedious orgy of self righteousness that is got to stop. there are complexities and stories that people are lazy at getting out. when i see the negative reaction so one-sided cannot. david: with a lively discussion.

keep those e-mails coming. i am sure we will get a lot. thank you for watching. we will see you later. kennedy: breaking people's feelings down. 83 percent say we are getting populist. humanitarian aid. 76 percent want to see them blown up. and just 2 percent say that military aid hackers, now the baltimore ravens out of a job. we will show you the horrific footage later. he can be enlisted in the fight against global terror. he is obviously a bad person, easily expendable. stick him in an elevator and see what happens.