maybe that is something that the terrorist like to see, that we are singlet enough to think that life goes on on the eve of the most perfect attack. lou: good evening, everyone. president obama wrapping up his comments on the islamic state address. it turned out to be a 14 minute long speech in the president announced that he has authorized u.s. airstrikes in syria. a move that definitely expands the u.s. air campaign against the radical islamist terrorists. and the president went on to call upon congress to authorize additional funding to begin arming and training so-called moderate syrian opposition fighters to act as a counterweight to the islamic state on the ground. almost three years after celebrating the final withdrawal

of american forces from iraq, president obama announcing more of the military will be sent there. >> we will spend an additional amount of service troops to the area. we will not get dragged into another ground war in iraq. that they are needed to support iraqi and kurdish forces with training and intelligence and equipment. lou: the question now is whether the american people and congress will buy the president's plan to deepen the role in the middle east. especially when fox news poll showed that 57% of americans say the president's leadership is weak and indecisive. 57%. of the 1% say defeating the islamic state will require our ground troops compared to 27% who say that it can be accomplished with only airstrikes. twenty us now is one of the men

at the center of the war against the islamic state. and we will be addressing whether or not any other group will be attacking the united states and whether there will be a safe haven. ed royce, chairman of the house foreign affairs committee. mr. chairman, it's good to have you with us. was your first reaction to the president statement? >> one of the ironies here is that we have gone from this team to it now being a threat. the one of the reasons it has become a thread is because of the kurdish forces that asked for weapons and were not supplied. they told me that they couldn't get the antitank missiles or the artillery or the long-range mortars that they needed in order to help their troops defeat them on the battlefield.

so it seems to me that this has been bungled to some extent month after month by not getting the support to the kurdish people. and at the same time, we could have done those strikes months ago when our embassy requested a and when the terrorists with their black flags flying racing across the desert to take town after town. why not catch them out in the open and knock out their columns then? so i think that there has been some lost opportunities there. and i think the question is going to be execution because the american public does not want to pay for this. let's have them come forward and pay for this. and then the other aspect is we are not going to do airstrikes alone because we have had offers from the australians and the

french and the united kingdom and let's get them to carry part of the burden. the united states should not carry this burden alone. i sen alone. i see this as fighters and i think with them on the ground, we could take a lot of them out. but it's going to take a strategy to do that and so far we have not seen an effective strategy out of the administrationspew on the president made it clear that u.s. air power will be brought to bear against the islamic state, but also in support of state, but also in support of ground troops. whether they be coalition forces or the troops of iraq. it's unclear what will be and in what manner the participation of each nation will be evidenced. the fact of the matter is they say no boots on the ground and can the united states at the

antenna spoliation succeed without boots on the ground. >> i think that's an opening days of the first gulf war. especially the campaign. there were some 40 degrees out there. 3700 tanks. tens of thousands of pieces of equipment. all taken out by air power. the difference was this has been, you know, different. 120 flights or so. he had over 100,000 flights targeting these asset until they were eliminated and it became say probably in pretty short order. so part of this is if you are going to go forward and do this, and that includes many other air forces besides those participating, you do with the coalition partners and back then if you recall, he got the saudi arabians to pay for this and

they came up with cash on the barrel head because they felt threatened. we had been invaded, they felt threatened at the time said they were willing and the other partners -- they were willing to pay for it. so i think in that case you solve leadership. i think you saw direct involvement between our president and these other heads of state. america had credibility. so when we asked these partners, they came on board. and i think it's now up to the president to go out and do the hard work of asking the saudi arabians to help you do this. ask them to write the checks and asking nato to come in and help to cover this operation. lastly, let's get the equipment that they need to be on that battlefield. i don't understand why they withheld these weapons and the other types of weapons needed against isil. so this must be executed in a

logical way with a lot of focus. lou: do you support arming the remaining rebels to the regime of the sherman act and what are your views? >> i know that there is a faction at the same time they are attacking that as well. and those particular units obviously are resisting them on one front and then to the south and so if we put into their hands wherewithal to deal with them and to defeat them, there is a certain logic to that. so i can see going forward with this because the president has not come over the last 2.5 years, done anything to be supportive about.

so it's something of a surprise tonight to go from two weeks ago we have no strategy to the announcement of a strategy. we are going to hear some of this next week when the committee holds hearings. so let's hear some of the details laid out. but i think it does make sense to support those that are fighting isil. lou: palmerston, we thank you so much. thank you for being here. ed royce is the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee. and we go to the white house now and chief correspondent ed henry. >> it's really great to see you. i watch the president for about 15 minutes they are on the floor of the white house right where he announced that it was the president trying to really get tough this time after fumbles

. >> hillary clinton recently that the same thing. but the truth is that he does have a cost he is one based upon america withdrawing from the world consumers that, apologizing or heavy footprint over the years and the shrinking our military in ways like syria not getting involved for moderate voices. >> officials say that the early part of the campaign have worked from a strategic standpoint and this includes other strategic victories as well. secretary of state john kerry is in the region right now. in order to try to drum up a coalition by supporting the u.s. in terms of not just airstrikes

in iraq, but again, crossing the border into syria in the days ahead which the president authorized. what we don't know how quickly he will move forward with the airstrikes in syria. the john kerry predicted there would be many nations, 40 nations as part of this his coalition. so far there is only nine nations area. lou: a ways to go. thank you so much. ed henry at the white house. coming up next, former army vice chief of staff jack keown joins us. and whether or not it is a viable military initiative. stay with us because we are coming right back. musical chairs. fun, right? welllllllll, not when your travel rewards card makes it so hard to get a seat using your miles. that's their game. the flights you want are blacked out. or they ask for some ridiculous number of miles. honestly, it's time to switch

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kurdish forces. but he said the united states will not be sending combat troops to defeat the islamic state. joining us now is four-star army general, vice chief of staff, general jack keane, chairman of the study of war and fox news military analyst. it's good to have you here. 475 troops. can you define why we would need another 500 troops in baghdad? >> we will probably need more than that. what is going to take lazier is the surrogate ground force, those that are now part of the iraqi army in the sunni tribes is well. as they put together a counteroffensive plan to take act the territory that they have lost that isis has seized. that's a ground counter offensive in we will need advisors down there with them and we will also need your ground controllers.

and if the president doesn't push that down there, we will have problems. he will find that they're not making the progress that we want to make. lou: the ground air controllers to help guide smart weaponry and to select the targets. it means that we will have combat troops with weapons or not and they will be calling in and this includes some missiles that are going to be used in combat. >> i certainly hope that's what the president is going to do because some of the details, you know, they were not in the speech. i'm not contesting that all of the detailers be in there. and the advisers that would move these units would be on the ground. and this includes those on the ground forces as well. and so i still see the biggest

problems with the strategy is the uncertainty and the underperformance of the ground force. and yet the defeat of isis depends on this performance. lou: with isis, the islamic state. they have to this point been ruthless, highly effective, mobile and as one, most of the engagements by far have been controlling. and it is occupying about a third of the state of iraq. we have watched american trained iraqi forces simply melt into the sand. and what makes you so sure that this investment and time will work remapped. >> i'm not so sure. and those units that collapse, that is real. they had poor leadership, they have not been doing so since we

left, the discipline was not there. when isis attacked, some of the units were down 50%. and the generals fled and they were cronies and hacks that they put in there to support him and to not support the troops. so we have to reconstitute those units and reorganized them. putting new leaders and as well. and that is going to take weeks or months to be able to get those particular units up. some of the iraqi units are performing satisfactory right now that they are small in number. lou: we had ed royce talk about the 17,000 fighters that make up the islamic state army. that large group of fighters and armies is susceptible to certai. and if so how long would it take with the coalition to all of

that, how long would it take to destroy those 17,000 terrorist to . >> i don't know the answer the question. but this i do now. the air campaign is vital. here is what it would achieve. if we go conduct the air campaign, it's unclear when we would begin in syria. we should be simultaneous. very counteroffensive. go after them and that entire support infrastructure. staging bases are there for, supply bases, command-and-control, take that down, take down front-line trooper's in iraq. do that simultaneously. what you get from that, you put isis on the defensive. and they no longer have freedom of movement. and they no longer have the initiative. but now we have to finish them all and i could just take weeks. but to finish them off, we need an effective ground campaign. if we are conducting a ground campaign, we can do could do it rather rapidly. this is not a large force for

conventional military operations. but the fact that the matter is that the surrogate force will really depend upon the big question mark around them. lou: still a large question mark. one of the things that one hopes, and we are basically out of time here, general, is that we will learn from our mistakes. and we have, we have allowed so much treasure to be spent and have accomplished so little. and sometimes in the name of a so-called war, our generals now prepare, are we prepared to go out and kill the enemy and succeed as quickly as possible and achieving something that we don't hear much. and that is victory. >> the president concerns me because he is not decisive in achieving concrete results. he does half measures and we don't know how much of the vessel was truly full of combat

power and all the things that we need. he may pull back the number of advisors. with the strength of the ground forces as an example, we could provide troops which would give them a leg up on this enemy. and whether we make this weather it unfolds, with an whether or not we put some of our forces at risk, i don't know. lou: hopefully the answers will appear quickly and affirmatively. general jack keane, it's good to see you. >> it's always good to talk to you. lou: vote in our online poll. you believe that president obama will be any more successful than the islamic state and he has been in iraq and afghanistan and iran and russia and syria? cast your vote at loudobbs.com. coming up next, a blockbuster report shows the department of justice working in concert with the irs and the democrats on capitol hill to effectively

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lou: coming up at moments, we will begetting analysis and reaction to the president middle east strategy. we have our former pentagon official k.t. mcfarland joining us with ed rollins and juan williams to assess the political implications. now, a new bombshell in the irs scandal. saying that he has proof that corroborates the irs scandal. the rise of the chairman's committee, attorney general holder mistakenly called his office to ask whether congressional staffers they are good leaked documents related to the ongoing irs investigation. the justice department spokesman wanted to orchestrate that to allow justice to comment on the documents before republicans

made them public, not knowing that he was talking to the republicans. chairman darrell issa says they made the request before he had realized his screwup. congressman darrell issa is now looking for answers from the eternal general that reads that this effort to preemptively release information undermines the department's claim that it is responding in good faith. and the crisis on our southern border having a big impact on americans who are trying to deal with immigration and a new nbc poll finds a plurality of 35% of americans believe that they will do a better job on immigration than the democrats compared to 27% that said that they would do better than the republicans and that is almost a complete turnaround from december 131% favored democrats to deal with immigration and 26% republicans.

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escalating ebola a break. it is not clear that they will be of much help. according to the u.s. official in charge of coordinating the u.s. response, we have those who have expertise dealing with the deadly virus. also criticizing the administration's move to set up what is a 25 bed seal hospital in liberia, they say it simply isn't enough. according to the world health organization, 1000 beds are needed now to treat additional ebola patients. president obama calling upon congress to approve funds to train and arm moderate syrian rebels in the fight against the islamic state. joining us tonight is congressman diane black, member of the house budget and ways and means committee. congresswoman, i have to say, and i call you congressman, because that is what you prefer. [laughter] and it's great to see you. >> it is so great to be with you

this evening. lou: what did you think of the president's 14 minute address to the nation? >> i think it was lame. we haven't heard anything from the president over these last two months where we have continued to see de-escalation of the terrorist group isis. yet this evening he came on with very little detail for the plan. and so we will have to hear more about his plan before we can approve the additional funding and the additional military services that he is asking for. lou: various news organizations have assessed the mood and the well of the house, in particular. and they have found the house is divided on this. but leadership seems to be well behind the president. am i reading what is going on here correctly? >> during the day, we also had some experts come in and talk to us about what is happening over there in iraq and syria.

and actually we heard several months ago from a number of military leaders, including including general petraeus about the efforts that tran-sixes having to outline. there was a vacuum out there and they seal the vacuum and the series of event have consisted of traveling to the middle east and so forth. so this is nothing new, there is honestly a real threat there. lou: congas meant, what i am asking you is are the members of the house united with the leadership on what is going on? are they going to support as enthusiastically as apparently her leadership as, the president here? >> not from what i am hearing right now because they want more information. we have a very serious decision to make here. and i am really disappointed that the president has come to us at the 11th hour when we are getting ready to pass a continuing resolution. and now he this is a crisis and

he needs us to vote again without a plan. and so we need to either plan and we need to get more details and until then i don't think anybody is ready to jump on. we have had a very brief conference this afternoon. they were making points about what the president had said to them and their closed-door meeting yesterday. but as far as a general membership goes, i continue to hear from our colleagues. they want more details and they want a plan that is a well thought out plan. lou: 14 minutes doesn't quite get it. >> yes, absolutely. lou: i have to ask, because you are a terrific judge of political, if we will, philosophy and warfare. why in the world with the presidency this airtime, all of the networks ended up giving him time for his address. the address of 14 minutes. what are the politics? how does that make any sense?

we don't have time to tell anyone to convince anyone of the situation and the threat. it's not enough time to persuade anyone. what was the purpose here? >> lou, i believe that if so many times we have seen with this president, he looked at the polls committee believes that we have to come out and do something. the american people in the last poll showed that we have great concern about isis and the national threat to us. obviously the leaders say that they want to plant a flag at the white house. so what does scare the american people when they see that they have whacked off the heads of two of our reporters. and so it is a very serious situation. and i think that he knew that by the polls and he felt like he needs to do something. lou: do you think of this 14 minute address accomplish something for him politically? >> i don't think it a published much at all for him. because i think the american people will see that it was lame

and i think that they will say they didn't give us much to go on. so i think that he felt like he had to do something and had to involve congress in it. lou: congressman, thank you for being with us. always good to talk to you. congressman diane black. things getting somewhat more consultative for the commissioner of the nfl, roger goodell. a law enforcement official spoke to the associated press thing tonight that he saw the controversial video of ray rice beating his wife. he sent a video to a executive five months ago. someone at the nfl confirmed in april that the video had in fact arrived at the nfl offices. which would contradict what commissioner roger goodell said about the case yesterday. >> we were told that that is not something that we would have access to and on multiple occasions we asked for it. on multiple occasions we were told no. and i understand that there may

be legal restrictions and and sharing that with us, we have heard that with attorney generals and former attorney general. >> so there are many people that are saying don't bother, but no one in the nfl has seen the tape to . >> that is a fact. lou: he then said this when asked if ray rice would ever play in the nfl again? >> i don't rule that out. but he would have to make sure that we are fully confident that he is addressing this issue clearly. that he has paid the price for the actions that he is already taken. lou: some of the context for all of this, the nfl is the most valuable sports league in the world. the average nfl team work $1.5 billion, more than 20% in gaining value in the past year. coming up next, the president strategy with the iraqi army and syrian rebels. k.t. mcfarland, are fox middle east analyst walid phares, both

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dr. walid phares. good to have you both here. your thoughts on the speech and what it means in terms of our future campaign? >> i thought it sounded good. my concern is it won't work. the following reasons. there are a lot of moving parts that have to go perfectly for the president to succeed. we have to rely on unidentified moderate syrian rebels. as yet i'm formed iraqi government that is going to be reliable, an inclusive, and get everyone to sign up. yet i'm assembled coalition of countries in the region who mayor may not fight. in that coalition might be countries like iran to buy saudi arabia. lou: and also the question, who is going to pay how much. your thoughts on the president's 14 minutes? >> well, look, at one.

a lot of chaos was surrounding it not just here but in the arab world. the president said there will be no rule for the gasol regime. allied with the regime against to isis which means that the iranians cannot be direct partners. having said that, many moving parts and most of these parts are invisible. first question, yes, we want to have some unease with us. he know how much it will cost politically for the government to make concessions to those politicians to get them with the iraqi army against isis? who will do that job? and if they make concessions, what would the iranians do? a lot of things. lou: if i could interject, i don't think that we should even leave any room for doubt that

the iranian government has control over the iraqi government. at the very least, powerful and less for those who want the skirt along. the fact is, they dominate. >> they do dominate. this is something the american public is not really well educated about. actually, the iraqi government, command-and-control of the interior, defense, and our forces are in direct control by the iranian intelligence service. if we jump to syria we have a similar situation. we keep talking about the rebels there is always this question. we don't know who is true. actually, we do. our agency juno who is the moderate and two is not. the political decision to make that choice. we have spoken about well, isis.

no verses the moderate islamists we need to make sure that they cannot be allies with dizzy how this and the united states. lou: have to be clear. the u.s. government has not been clear in all. where do we go? this continues, to me, to be an important small speech, 14 minutes worth carried on every network. i will be doggone if i can figure out what made it so urgent or important. >> absolutely. let's just assume that everything goes well on the president succeeds in defeating and destroying. what does that do? does that really just clear the field for as you point out, an iranian dominated iraqi government to rule the region? that is not in our best interest of either. lou: and i would like you both to respond. people forget that this president is the one who

believes that the iranians can be talked with, negotiated with and influence to and if only we would take a pause with which to reason. there is nothing in the history of this suggests that is true. >> more center fuses. the. >> your thoughts? >> connected to a sot, has a law and lebanon. if we destroy isis without having an alternative on the ground assault forces will move in. we need a much greater architecture before we engage. lou: dr. walid phares, good to have you with us. k.t. mcfarland, good to see it. up next, critics say president obama is appointing a

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lou: we will be talking with the ron williams and ed rollins here , two of my favorite folks, and just a moment to assess what happened tonight at the white house, what the president said your quotation of the evening from founding father, the third president of the united states, thomas jefferson, who said governments currently at -- constantly choose. the end results will always

lead to the other. ron williams, good to have you here with us. ed rollins, thank you for being here. the 14 minute speech. what was so urgent that the president needed to address the nation? >> i think it is an important subject. a well delivered speech and a well-written speech. you could have told -- filled a whole half-hour. a lot of questions were left. a lot to support the president the iraqi government, piggin secretary defense of interior minister they have their tails kicked from the syrian dissidents and iraqi army. and they basically say this is a big threat. whenever going to put troops on the ground. sooner or later he will put troops on the ground. this is america's war and it

will last the rest of his presidency. midas will send the nobel peace prize back and just go do the job. lou: your thoughts? >> well, i think a lot of this has to be reaction to the video. i think you have seen the numbers, the poll numbers of the last week yourself have gone totally in support of america getting involved in terms of taking out isis. that is what escalated the stakes. to come to your point earlier in the broadcast, that is why the networks gave president obama this time prime time at night. i don't know if the nfl was not on. tonight they gave him the time for this 15 minute, 14 minutes. the reason was to speak to the american people. the president, foreign policy standing, approval numbers are way down. his take is to say to the american people, my core principle is you cannot threaten the united states.

so now for the congress and i think this is the next question, he is saying to the congress to my would appreciate it if you guys would give me some approval about sending in foreign trainers. it is not clear they're even willing to do that much less willing to give him authorization for this action. they did not to a year ago. i'm not sure it was the midterms a few months of republicans or democrats want to let their stamp on this action given the questions that persist about the likely success. >> i would argue for going is the next couple of years here, get rid of these guys, it's going to take a couple years, we need to get the congress, explain to the congress, make his case, let them argue it out. john kerry running around the world giving the explanation. i just think this is important to the american people to know why we're going back to this region. lou: we talk about these long wars again.

sure speeches and long wars. fourteen minutes and a long war against the islamic state. the principal enemy of the united states is iran in that region seeking to be the hegemonic determinative power. at what point can we look to our leaders and actually hear truth escape their lives? >> well, i think again there is an effort to somehow negotiate with the iranians. as you said in the previous segment, no reason to think that they're people of good nature and an honest partner negotiation. i can see the you want to make the effort because you don't want to get into a situation where we are backing war again. leaving them alone for a second, the bigger point, speaking the truth. you said a moment ago, why don't you identify the real threat. at the moment, i have to tell you, the american people are not on board with that. they're reacting to the idea

as someone is out there beheading americans, and we should not let them get away with it. those people do all we need to respond to them and the idea that they could do something especially giventomorh lou: part of this is just simply judgment. a president who says that he is not comfortable with political theater. he engages in it almost maniacally and in is in love with the trappings of an all one not carry out retribution as we did against a deadline? why spend billions of dollars to do something that can be done in quite different ways? >> supplying arms to the syrian dissidents for months and months and months. there is no public dialogue about that. yet now made this a public fight. lou: elevated the islamic

state. >> no question about it. the end of the day he has to finish it. he can't go in there again in two years from now pull them out. i go back to the point, you don't start a fight -- and not going to throw my right hand. amelie going to use my jab. if we believe these guys are terrorists and will come here, what does that do for american troops? 400,000 would be happy to go back and we need to make the case for going to do that. >> don't you think that -- i mean, let's just talk politics. lou: 30 seconds. >> don't you think that the american people don't want it, republicans or democrats , they don't want those boots back on the ground. >> they never have. if you really think it's a threat have to mike case. lou: good to have you with us. that's it for us tonight. stay tuned.

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