. neil: remarkable, 13 years into, this it is still tough to take in all the raw emotion of this, of this day, the reciting of names of victims many of us still don't know, some read by children their dads never got to know. more than a decade later so fresh this day, even after all these days and years, but there is something oddly relieving about this ritual, something comforting about never forgetting and at least once a year, briefly, briefly uniting. a day after this president outlined our latest terror threat, it was almost as if we hit all had been teed up to

hear it could happen again, and new yorkers in particular. it was a remind wrer they lived, where they worked, and why another terror group makes it such a target. capitalisms, capital, that day shaken, the former new york stock exchange dick grasso still stirring. good to have you. >> neil, always very special to be with you on this very special and solemn day. neil: you know what's so remarkable when you think about it, and talking earlier about the ritual we go through, the reciting of the names as if it's the second anniversary, it's the third anniversary, and there's something nice about that. >> i think it's therapy for all americans not just new yorkers and those that were there that day. it was a reminder how special this country is, and perhaps

the shining example. those firefighters and police officers who gave their lives that day so that 25,000 people could walk out of those buildings. i had 144 staff, the only thing they mentioned were the faces of the firefighters up the stairs and reassured they were by the heroes that they were going to be okay, just keep going, just keep walking down and, of course for all new yorkers on a day like today, we remember the heroism of first responders. we remember how the country came together. i know in my

well, we've been blessed, since 9/11, we had a great police commissioner who kept us safe for 12 years, and now we've had a successor who shares the same view as ray kelly that this is the place. neil: here's what's different, here's what's different. looking back at al qaeda back then and isis now, we're told that isis has a lot more money, a lot more global influence and a lot of participants already

here, we're going to get to it later in the show. this is a more entrenched organization, as you reminded me. 9/11 was a half million dollar job, and here's a group isis that is sitting on $2 billion and makes 3 million a day. >> they not only have more money and more disciplined organization than al qaeda, but they have people in the united states, or people who are carrying u.s. passports. neil: so did anything the president say last night, does that address that, or do you worry that it doesn't address the threats who are already here? >> i think what the president did last night took us a long way from where we were a week ago when we publicly admitted there was no strategy. now there is a strategy at least articulated. what worries me. neil: i don't see it articulated. >> if you took the collective of what the president said last

night and what the vice president said a week and a half or so ago, we're going to chase them to the gates of hell and make sure they meet the 72 virgins, sooner rather than later. take that collectively. what worries me about last night is the political tone of the speech. the -- if you will, the lack of a commander in chief getting up there and saying wherever you are, whatever you do, we're going to find and you erase you from the face of the earth. you know, not going to congress this year for authorization as opposed to a year ago when the president wanted to go congress for authority. neil: many republicans are going to get into that, perfectly fine for that for the time being. >> it's politics, put the politics aside, neil. we have an enemy that wants to kill us, that wants to impugn the way of life americans have enjoyed. we've got to find that enemy

whether it's one or 100,000, and we've got to kill them. >> dick grasso, thank you very much. >> thank you, neil. neil: two senators with different views on the subject dick and i were discussing, whether the president has the thort do what he wanted to do without checking with congress. republican says he does, a democrat who says he doesn't. take a look. >> he needs to present that plan to congress. >> a proposal. a request for authorization for the use of military force. >> i don't think he needs a congressional vote in the congress to provide authority right now. neil: all right, therein lies the rub, does the president need that authority? the republican leadership is granting him that. california congressman says he is very influential, he's chairman of the house armed services committee. and chairman, i believe you've given the president a little latitude but not for too long and not too much, right? >> he says he doesn't need authority to do what he talked

about doing last night, and i think that could very well be. it depends on how serious he is about moving forward on bombing and how long and how heavy. i think if this begins to stretch out, and time will tell -- >> what's your definition, then, congressman, what you say, you don't need our initial okay to start airstrikes in syria. for how long? if he widens it out? commits boots on the ground, what? >> i think it's a matter of how long and how heavy. i think what i would like to see him do is go long, go hard, go heavy, go all in, say this is the end. we're coming after you. we're going to win this baby. >> do you think it's hard saying it, do you think his heart's in that. >> didn't look like it last night. i think that he said some

things i felt good about. he said if they try to run into syria. he'll go after them, that he's going to do what it takes to protect the american people, our interests. i like that part. i just think that it didn't go far enough. i think you have to be totally engaged. i think that after seeing the things we've done and how bad these people are. i just came back from the middle east. i met with the leaders in that area. they are all very, very concerned. and we need to be because they're imminently a threat against us. they do have those passports. they will be able to come back in this country. they are teaching them things that they can bring back. two of the people that were killed in a recent fire fight were from minnesota, and one of them was a tsa employee, been there ten years, that should be an eye-opener and awaker. that's scary to me. neil: do you think, congressman, that you mentioned

the tsa worker was -- form tsa worker, me thinks that airplanes, airports are still targets for these guys, whether al qaeda, whether isis. that does seem to be the draw, even after all these years. >> i think they'll go after any possible target. that's one that seemed to be fairly soft, that they were able to hit us and hit us hard, but i think they'll go after any, any potential target. i think we have to be alert, awake, we have to follow those people that the 28,000 people that tweeted after the beheading of the two journalists. i hope we're following them and seeing what their real intents are. they've shown brave sophistication in recruiting people through the social media. >> yeah. >> i think we need to go in full bore, help the iraqis, the kurds, the shia and sunni, give

them the help they need. provide the logistics to help them win this fight. there are things that only we can do, and only those things we can do, we should do. neil: congressman, very good seeing you, appreciate it. >> good seeing you. >> probably quite one thing when tom delay says look at the border, fourth quarter, bad guys are getting through. everything changed when the government acknowledged, yeah, he's right. and rick perry sending all those troops to the border just to police it? maybe he isn't crazy. delay, next, now. patented sonic technology

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leader is here to explain better late than never, boy, oh, boy, we have a very porous border, what do we do? >> you talking to me. neil: i am, tom. what now that the government has acknowledgeed? >> you know, we've been screaming about this for so many years, particularly in the last six years. we just can't get the department of homeland security or the president of the united states or the attorney general to focus on the southern border of the united states. i can't tell you the number of people that are speaking out about what's going on. i remember back when i was in congress, i took a helicopter tour over the texas border, and it shocked me that you had drug cartels that had created little villages all by themselves. there's a little village outside laredo, texas that's nothing but drug dealers, and people that smuggle drugs across the border and they're

right on the rio grande river, and the law enforcement knew it and everything else. we're screaming about the fact that this president and his department of homeland security has moved the border patrol 30 miles inland, so you got a 30 mile buffer that gives anybody that wants to come across the border. neil: wait a minute, when you say 30 miles inland. you can be coming across the border and be 30 miles into the country before our guys presumably would be onto you? >> exactly right. and then last few days, especially in the last couple of weeks, there's been reports of terrorist-type people in mexico, particularly in juarez, across the border from el paso. a report just written by the texas department of public safety is talking about this. they can't verify it. but you know these guys.

they know what's going on the ground. i guarantee you, i'll take the word of a texas ranger over obama any day. they suspect they're gathering at the border as we speak -- neil: more or less acknowledged such a thing, such as the possibility, tells me they're covering their hiney in advance or warning us or both. what do you think? >> they're not warning us. even when they say there is a possibility that we have seen chatter on facebook and twitter. neil: what does that mean by the way, tom. you know more about this than i do. when i hear more chatter, the highest in 13 years depending who you are talking to. what does that mean? what do security folks glean from that? what are they looking at? >> picking up phrases, they're picking up things that they're

very interested in. you might have something put on facebook that is encouraging people here in the united states to come out and bomb something. so they're picking up that kind of chatter that's going on that makes us suspicious of something going on. but when you look at the texas department of public safety saying something's happening on the mexican side of the border and could have already -- we could already have people that have across the border which is totally open. if you are somebody that wants to get into the united states, you just go to mexico and can you walk across totally unnoticed. it's totally open. this president has completely erased the borders to the united states of america. he's not enforcing the law, and he doesn't want to do anything to secure our border. neil: well, you worry about whatever he's doing abroad justified or not, and some

republicans saying touche for acknowledging the severity of the problem. it's here that i'm worried about. here in the united states. tom delay. finish that thought. >> that's why we need to get them over there. neil: but they also have a lot of loyalists here. tom, always a pleasure, very, very much. >> thank you, neil. neil: from the threat on the border to the threat growing right here, the terror pipeline starting in one of our own states under our own nose. [ hoof beats ] i wish... please, please, please, please, please. [ male announcer ] the wish we wish above all...is health. so we quit selling cigarettes in our cvs pharmacies. expanded minuteclinic, for walk-in medical care. and created programs that encourage people

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. neil: we had a lot of interesting developments on our show last night, special

coverage of the president's speech on isis. nothing more alarming than comments from a certain minnesota former governor. >> at least 15 minnesota men have joined isis, the former minnesota governor on why that might be. >> the situation in minnesota the case study for radicalization of people here could be the goal over there and come back and cause us a real problem. you're on the right issue. neil: a lot of somali refugees in and around minnesota, a lot of refugees from the middle east concentrated in michigan to the point we learn out of britain they've got better than a thousand isis recruits there. more than three dozen out of france, italy has some. we have quite a few. what is going on here? that is probably why it's a bigger worry to security folks than al qaeda ever was because these guys are so entrenched and have so much money. to former covert cia officer mike baker. they seem to get a lot of sympathetic americans in this

case. >> you hit on the part of it. not something unique to minnesota, essentially there's a large somali community. neil: a predisposed community? >> in the sense that al-shabaab has been recruiting out of the area for several years, and al qaeda targeted westerners in north africa and europe for a number of years. neil: isis is particularly adept at this? >> in part because they learned from al qaeda's efforts and still doing the same things, using social media chat rooms. >> how do they do it. >> part of it is communities, it's like if you're a gamer, have you communities in social media and you find chat rooms and talk to each other. you have particular interests. you do that. if you're disaffected, easily influenced, impressionable possibly unemployed, who knows what you're out there searching for. you may find it. if you're in a community where islam is not unknown, and where there's been this sort of history in terms of al-shabaab

reaching in there and trying to gather recruits, it's understood, this is how they're going to try to attract. they don't care whether they get direct or indirect contact with the potential recruits as long as the result is the same and turn them to the dark side. neil: so with our focus getting them over there, syria through airstrikes and iraq through air strikes, well and good, but that does not address those who are here. >> no, it doesn't address. there are so many layers, the idea is okay, congress and the president are saying defeat isis, defeat the islamic state. this is an incredibly muddled mess that we're talking about. neil: the president was right you can't annihilate them is the first reaction. >> you can whack as many as you can get hands or targeting on. neil: maybe it's like whack-a-mole, we're pulling out of afghanistan, they can go there. >> case in point in terms of the layers, one of the things

we're not talking about and definitely don't have enough time to go into is what follows behind this. we never understood the syrian opposition, trying to get our hands around that potential friend lease within the syrian opposition, when the president talks about we're going to support the syrian elements opposed to assad and opposed to the islamic state. neil: we have no idea who they are. >> al qaeda elements? people who are definitely not aligned with our interests. neil: what do we do? >> we're going to have to be pragmatic and say look, our current immediate short-term threat both us to, to the region, is the islamic state. we have to deal with that, figure out a way to be very pragmatic, we're going to have to hold our noses in terms of the people we work with and we're going to have to get that problem solved, understanding it's going to be a goat rope afterwards. we're going to be handing over weapons trains resources to a lot of elements, a lot of

people, including possibly iraq shiite militias. neil: the record on training these guys who we think it will help, not too good. >> not too good. we have a lot of case studies about it. but sometimes we go into things with our eyes closed. my point is this time it would be nice to know that we would talk about it. neil: right. >> understand the fact this is not black and white. that once we defeat isis, and militarily we can do that. we have to do it with somebody's boots on the ground. neil: they want this because they want to unite the muslim world. >> yeah, i don't think they need us coming into unite those folks they already have. neil: whether we are involved or not, they still hate us. >> exactly. they didn't need iraq and afghanistan to do that. we all know the history there. the point being that going forward another element of this is what we talked about at the beginning which is the communities.

how you prevent the recruitment of westerners in the u.s. and north africa. neil: that's what i worry about. >> that's going to require the moderate muslim community us that hear so much about. get them on side. they have to be aggressive to solve it. without them working with us, we're not going to solve that bigger issue. neil: and that piece of the puzzle happens to be here. >> yes. neil: in the united states. mike baker, thank you, my friend. appreciate it. >> thank you. neil: one thing response bolting away from ray rice, what if i said sponsors are bolting away from the nfl. maybe because they say the commissioner is not only behind the eight ball, he's screwing up. he's gotta go. patented sonic technology with up to 27% more brush movements get healthier gums in two weeks guaranteed. philips sonicare

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having an easy time of it these day, getting hell over the league's handling of ray rice and what he knew and when he knew it. they are getting pressure from angry customers to pull out of advertising any nfl game. could you imagine if other companies follow suit? then what? to fox biz all-stars, maddie, begin with you, then what? what do we do? >> what do we do whether the responseors pull out? neil: to goodell. >> i think that this show is some kind of negligent behavior from leadership in the league, and the question we need to answer is what do we do to ensure we are not encouraging bad behavior. the player committed act of violence or how high does it go? i think looking at the evidence that the notion that something happened in the elevator, i don't know 90% of elevators in this country have cameras, shouldn't the nfl have been

concerned about behavior they knew happened and investigate it further. neil: if he did know about the follow-up developments, because rice is suspended for two games for essentially dragging his fiancee. >> we know he acted inappropriately. neil: he didn't know the elevator part. if he knew the elevator part, then game over. >> the evidence as it exists suggests there should have been more of an investigation what led up to the behavior that they did punish him for. neil: we know enough now that there is disagreement within the nfl organization, whether he was apprised of it. whether he looked at it or not. is that what's going to make the difference here? >> we're not sure what he knew and when he knew it. in terms of the advertisers, i don't think they're going anywhere. these are devoted fans, they watch it every sunday, the advertisers want to be in front of the viewers. i don't think that's going to change the dynamics for the league. this is a short-term branding

issue, going forward they're going to be just fine. ray rice is going to bear the brunt. he already has. neil: lenore, what happens now, let's say this seems disconnected that goodell and what he knew and knew, it even if he knew it, isn't as appropriate as the nfl as a franchise and most people like football and watching games? >> and i think it goes a larger problem in society that we seem to have given up having expectations that people behave themselves. you've got congress having all-time low approval rateings and the incumbents keep winning. michael vick, horrifying acts, and yet he's right back where he started and nobody seems to say anything. >> it does help to have it on camera. neil: that was the difference here, if goodell were to go, wouldn't we, and wouldn't we be setting a slippery slope present here. >> i don't think so, i think

we'd be holding the bad actors accountable. we have to be careful what we learn from this experience. neil: what do you learn from it? >> if you hold the people accountable who acted inappropriately who were the ones who were either the people who acted violently or the people who were negligent and investigating the violence. neil: video and acting violently that you come to -- >> i don't know, i think we'll find out who knew what when. neil: social site caught making racial comments, you see where this goes, you can be heaved out of your job? >> there's people in the league who have done much worse. it's hard to grade crimes, but there's people who have been convicted of manslaughter who have done very, very serious crimes in addition to this very serious crime. neil: but it's goodell and the image, he gets 40 million dollars a year running one of the most profitable and watched and respected entities in the planet, the nfl. is there not a responsibility that comes with that to be way

above the fray? >> he's got a huge responsibility -- neil: for our argument -- >> no accountability, let's hold the people we know acted poorly accountable. we've had problems with him for years. neil: he has 1800 players he oversees. >> it has to be handled differently. they're moving towards potential organizations when it comes to player issues. neil: or changing the rules as we go along. i'm not excuse anything of rice's behavior, i'm saying if you're going to throw out the guy who runs the company if you will, and rice was working at one of its subsidiaries, then you have changed the equation and the rules that keep you in your job, haven't you? >> doesn't this go to common sense, do we need to be explicit it's not acceptable to

have somebody who's high-profile like this committing violent acts. neil: that we know. he's out, rice is out. you can argue with that. but does that extend to his boss essentially? >> well, his boss saw her being dragged out, and i'm not sure how he didn't know about the video inside. he threat on facebook for months. neil: the elevator video was on facebook. >> yeah, that's been around. neil: you don't believe he never knew or wasn't made aware of the elevator video, but if it turns out he was, and he dismissed it, he's out. >> whether he was or wasn't, why isn't he asking the questions what happens. neil: what happens out there and suspend for a few games and that's it. >> there are good athletes in the nfl, the league itself and organized sports are important to this country because they are great institutions. let's not let a couple of bad

actors ruin it for everyone participating. >> if you don't get rid of those, you are degrading the brand and harming everybody's assets. the other players are harmed by not cutting these guys loose. neil: be careful what you wish for, what you're also saying is the rules are changing as we speak. right? >> they should be changing. the league's got an image issue at this moment. they'll move past it. neil: no, they won't until someone blogs something or player says something or is caught on tape saying something, that's going to be the differentiator, and the impression will come on the nfl commissioner. >> there is tons of pressure on him already. they've been teflon in the past. see who's going to be the fall guy, if goodell is the fall guy, we'll see. neil: real quick, if you don't mind me being so patronizing, i'm curious, as women, when rice's now wife says she's

forgiven him, she's fine with him, she feels horribly for him and the pile-on over him, why doesn't that matter, lenore? >> completely irrelevant to me. what she thinks is acceptable is not what we as a society think is acceptable. that was incredibly violent act. neil: she's forgiven him and moved on and loves him. >> good for her. you have the family members of a murderer forgive. >> that doesn't excuse violence and we need to talk about violence both men and women together and how it affects society as a whole. >> she's in a situation where so many women in domestic abuse situations are, all about the money probably. so much of this is tied up in the money, how is she going to survive without him financially? maybe she has other emotions related but money plays a huge part. neil: which brings us back to business, very, very apropos.

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the law and following the constitution, they can go and get a search warrant. absent any criminal behavior on the part of the credit card issuer or the seller or buyer in the store, the constitution prohibits the government from getting it. this will effectively cause a cash -- a rush on cash, this only works if the credit card in the store are giving the information to the government. cash would be the insulation from the government because there's no record who of you are. neil: you know, you could make an argument, judge, that if we had standards like these in place before the oklahoma city bombing and notice that tim mcveigh is buying an inordinant amount of fertilizer, you could put two and two together and say fertilizer can make a bomb. maybe at the time we wouldn't put that together. now we can. should we be watching people who do that sort of thing? >> we could let the police break down any door and listen

to all phone calls and arrest anybody they want on a whim and probably have safer streets. who would want to live in a society like that? who wants to live in america where the government behaves like the stasi in east germany or the soviet union because we waged a cold what are they did to their people. that's what dhs and nsa and everything in the federal government are doing to us now. neil: to your point, you were saying we're only one incident away from once again putting up our constitutional rights, and i'm wondering now in light of the latest threats and maybe pegged to the anniversary whether americans are predisposed to letting that happen? >> yes. yes, neil, if you were to ask me today on the 13th anniversary of 9/11 what is the worst thing that happened with respect to our civil libertys? i could tick off the patriot act and the nsa and say they're

spying, what the government does doesn't trouble us anymore, that we accept it and expect it, because we have believed this nonsense that by giving up liberties we will somehow be kept safe. as a result your children and your grandchildren will grow up in a society and never know the privacy that our parents and grandparents and we knew. neil: scary stuff, judge, thank you very much. >> pleasure, my friend. neil: the mainstream media wondering what happened to this president when the media bails. just when you think it would never do it. so what we're looking for is a way to "plus" our accounting firm's mobile plan. and "minus" our expenses. perfect timing. we're offering our best-ever pricing on mobile plans for business. run the numbers on that. well, unlimited talk and text, and ten gigs of data for the five of you would be... one-seventy-five a month. good calculating kyle. good job kyle. you just made partner. our best-ever pricing on mobile share value plans for business.

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>> it was terrible, i was in the conference room, presenter just started speaking, and a note handed to him, a pause, and then he whispered something and they turned the presentation screen onto the tv channels that were covering world trade center one as it had just been hit. neil: now you and your folks were in north tower. >> one world trade center. neil: and you knew from the point of impact it was around where your guys were? >> yes. its 93rd floor is exactly where the plane hit. neil: you had heard from any of them, were any of them trying to contact you or the office or communicate, hey -- >> we immediately tried to contact, i immediately tried to contact the office and anyone they could, but there was no -- the lines -- actually cellular

phone lines were jammed and failing and the fixed line was no way to get through. neil: i want to go the rest of the show with dan. dan, i know you had to relive this every year, but what i've heard in your colleague's case at the time, is that the only blessing is that it was fast. they were at the point of almost direct impact, so the only solace maybe you or families could have was that they didn't linger, it was immediate. that there's no way to know, right? >> there is no way to know. neil: how did their families -- you were among the -- taking charge, fred alger, david's brother, you had to look after the loved ones but had to rebuild a firm, very, very tough. >> very tough. i think the thing to remember and i was down at the memorial this morning is the uniqueness

of every individual and their families and therefore their unique responses. and you know, we try to remember that as they rebuilt the firm, the uniqueness of the firm, the collective effort to succeed but also their individual characters. today at the firm, we have a lot of things that symbolize that. one we have a charitable effort at the firm where many of the employees participate, but in all kinds of different ways and, of course, in our work, we hope we honor our colleagues by having rebuilt the place we think they would have been proud of, and they would, i think, you know, understand as they walk in. i was extremely proud this year to have the nephew of one of our lost colleagues as an intern, a summer intern. he's a brown, a young man. we've had other children of my lost colleagues as interns and they're all very, very special

people. neil: when you go down there and for those who have not been down to the world trade center site, now called ground zero, and you see the names etched in stone, does it ever, the magnitude of it ever ease or just it's a stark reality? >> it never really eases for me. i was moved by the large wall in the museum that has one blue tile in a unique color of blue for every victim, and there's a quote from virgil that is beautiful. neil: right. >> i think it's no day shall ever erase your memory in time. i think. neil: anyone who has not gone to the 9/11 museum, i urge it, it is remarkable in terms of its starkness and simplicity and raw emotion, a lot of people have forgotten that day, not forgotten, we're reminded

on days like this but think enough time has passed that it can't happen again or, you know, we have kids, probably born after that event, who hear about it, and history books but it seems alien, and now when you hear the president last night talk about the latest terror campaign against the latest feared group, isis, you know new york is a big old target, whether you are midtown, downtown, uptown, do you fear that? does family fear it? do colleagues fear it? >> i do fear it, not in a way that prevents me from doing what i have to do or enjoy doing, and we've seen so many americans and the families from our algervictims, you know, how they've moved forward, progressed, prospered, honored the memories in doing so. but i think the museum and the memorial and the museum in

particular, it's an important not just a recollection of events but also there's very detailed explanation of how this came about, the terrorists and their plotting, and i think it is a very important reminder to all of us, hopefully most importantly to our public officials that we have to be very vigilant about safeguarding the safety of america. neil: you benefitted maybe through your own diplomatic skills or forebearance or understanding of the briefly understanding and compassionate financial industry from everyone coming together, and they helped you get back on your feet. using offices and whatever to slowly work your way back. were you surprised by that? how competitors helped out falling competitors? >> i am not surprised at all. people pulled together. neil: your industry has a bad rep. not you. [ laughter ] >> it's a very competitive

industry. i'd have to say they think in the ways that they could, many did help, and in the ways -- and so many wanted to help. there is a reality in our business, it's a very, very competitive business. neil: does that sort of ease up as things returned to normal. we helped the algerfolks enough and dan is firing sonars to try and -- >> certainly at this point and many years ago i think back to business has been -- it's important. i know it sounds cavalier, but i don't feel like any former client or any competitor that said it's back to business now, i don't think there is anything wrong with that. neil: do you tell workers and children, don't forget this day, don't forget what happened? >> i try not to lecture my children too much. i think they see through our actions. as parents, leaders, and i

think through my actions and my wife's and the family around us. neil: i don't think that's going to happen in your case. >> they'll never forget. neil: dan chung, ceo of a time that seemed only yesterday. good night. please join christina aguilera and yum! brands in a movement to fight world hunger by supporting the united nations world food program. to donate, go to hungertohope.com or make a text donation right now. your contribution will feed children and save lives. together, we can stop the dying and start the living. and together, we can move people from hunger to hope. [ inhales deeply ]

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