good evening, everybody. president obama moments ago wrapping up his address to the nation on the threat of the islamic state, a highly anticipated what turned out to be 14-minute long speech in which the president announced he's authorizing usair strikes in syria, a move that significantly expands a campaign against the radical islamist terrorists. >> i've made it clear that we will hunt down terrorists wherever they are. that means i will not he is tat to take action against isil and syria against iraq. this is a core principle.

>> and the president said he would begin army and training to act as a counter weight to the islamic state on the ground. almost three years after celebrating the final withdrawal of american forces from iraq, president obama announced more of our military will be sent there. >> we will send an additional 475 service members to iraq. as i've said before, these american forces will not have a combat mission. we will not get dragged into another ground war in iraq but they are needed with training, intelligence and equipment. >> the question now is whether the american people and congress will buy the president's plan to deepen our role in the middle east, especially when fox news polls out tonight show that 57% of americans now say the president's leadership on

foreign policy is weak and indecisive, 57%. 51% say defeating the islamic state will require ground troops, compared to 27% who say it can be accomplished with only air strikes. joining us now one of the men at the center of the war against the islamic state if that should be the will of congress and we will be addressing whether or not any other group will be attacking the united states and whether there will be, in fact, safe havens. congressman ed royce, chairman of the foreign affairs committee. good to have you with us. your reaction, if you will, to the president's statement. >> lou, one of the ironies here is that we've gone from this being the junior varsity team as the president called it to it now being a threat. one of the reasons it has gone to the point of becoming a threat is because the kurdish

forces for example that approached the united states that asked for weapons weren't supplied. the kurdish minister told me that they couldn't get from the u.s. the anti-tank missiles or the artillery or long-range mortars that they needed in order to help their troops defeat isil on the battlefield. so it seems to me that this has been bungled to some extent, month after month, by not giving the support to the kurds and at the same time if we were going to do air strikes we could have done them months ago when the isis terrorists with their black flags flying were racing across the desert to take town after town. why not catch them out in the open and knock out their columns then. so i think there's been some lost opportunities here and i think the question is going to be execution because the american public do not want to pay for this, so let's have the

arab league, the gulf states come forward and pay for a good portion of this. so execution is going to determine whether we get them on board to pay for the lion's share of it. and then the other aspect of it is we're not going to do air strikes alone, i would hope, because we've had offers from the australians, the french, the united kingdom i think is interested in this. let's get them to carry part of the burden. the united states should not carry this burden alone. and so i see this as, there's only 17,000 isis fighters. i think you could certainly with some air power and with the kurdish forces on the ground moving against them, you could take a lot of them out, but it's going to take a strategy to do it and so far we haven't seen an effective strategy out of the administration. >> the president made it clear that u.s. air power will be brought to bear against the islamic state, but also in support of ground troops, whether they be the troops of

iraq or coalition forces, it is unclear what that coalition will be and in what manner the participation of each nation will be evidenced. but the fact of the matter is, the president says no boots on the ground. can the united states succeed, can this coalition-to-be succeed without boots on the ground. >> i think back to the days of the first gulf war and especially the air campaign. there were some 40 brigades out there, tens of thousands of pieces of equipment all taken out by air power. the difference was this has been 120 flights or so. he had over 100,000 flights targeting these assets until

they were lieliminated and it became fate acome plea. and that coalition included many other air forces besides ours. you do it with your coalition partners. back then if you recall he got the saudis to pay for the operation. >> $56 billion. >> they came up with the cash on the barrel head because they felt threatened. kuwait had been invaded. they felt threatened so they and other partners were willing to pay for it. in that case you saw leadership and direct involvement between our president and these other heads of state. america had credibility, so when we asked, these partners came on board. i think it's now up to the president to go out there and do the hard work of asking the saudis to help pay for this, asking the kuwaitys and others to write the checks and asking n.a.t.o. to help cover this

operation. lastly, let's get the equipment to the kurds that they need to be victorious on that battlefield. i don't understand why they withheld the anti-tank weapons and the other types of weapons needed against isil. again, this has to be executed in a logical way with a lot of focus. >> do you support, mr. chairman, arming the remaining rebels to the regime of bashar al assad? what are your views? >> i know that there is a faction in aleppo that isil is attacking and at the same time assad's attacking that faction. that's generally called the free syrian army. those particular units obviously are resisting both isil on one front and then to the south assad's regime.

so if we put into their hands the wherewithal to deal with isil and defeat isil, there's a certain logic to that. so i can see going forward with this, but the president has not, over the last two and a half years, done anything to be supported. so it's something of a surprise tonight to go from two weeks ago we have no strategy to the announcement of a strategy tonig tonight. we're going to hear some of this next week when my committee holds hearings. we're going to have the secretary of state there. let's hear the details laid out there. >> congressman, we appreciate you being with us. thank you so. ed royce, chairman of the house of foreign affairs committee. of foreign affairs committee. the real leader on illegal you know, if you play football for a long time like i did,

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our next guest has been leading the charge on an incremental approach to immigration legislation which he says now or november it won't be a good idea for the president to trample on the constitution and act unilaterally on amnesty for illegal immigrants. congressman bob goodlatte is the chairman of the house judiciary committee. it's good to see you back in business and good to have you with us here on the broadcast. >> good to be with you, lou, and your viewers. >> let's start with the president deciding to delay action on his fiat. he was, at least earlier, go to, he promised, give amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants,

but now not until after the election. your reaction to his decision? >> well, lou, it's never a good idea to trample on the constitution and take unilateral amnesty that he has no law to do. he should say he's going to work with the congress on real immigration reform that starts with the kind of enforcement both at the border and the interior of the country that the people want. if he's not going to do that, at the very least he should tell us now what he plans to do after the election so the american people will know that going into this election. >> speaker john boehner seems to want to work with him and said that perhaps we could see immigration reform legislation. this is a president who has denied congress its oversight accounting over the course of, what, half a dozen scandals that

now engulf the white house? what's going on with your leadership? >> i think what the issue here is, is the president of the united states going to recognize that the congress has the authority to act in this area and so many, many other areas where he's acted unilaterally with his pen and his phone. i know the speaker and virtually everyone else in the house and many in the senate are increasingly frustrated by this. but if he wants to get immigration reform done, the last thing he should do would be to take unilateral action before or after the election because that does not build the kind of trust that it takes to do this kind of thing. if we're going to do immigration refo reform, that trust has to be with the american people. they have to trust that he's going to enforce the law, and they don't see him enforcing the current laws, so they don't trust him to enforce any any laws either. >> let's be unequivocal here. this president isn't going to

enforce the laws. in fact, he's avoiding laws he's creating through his executive orders effectively amnesty and his rhetoric created the crises on the border with unaccompanied children. let's be clear that your speaker and your leadership have had the opportunity to say chairman goodlatte and his committee should take the lead on immigration reform and we will follow that and we will be glad to meet with the president and take up the issue and reach responsible compromise. your speaker hasn't done that, so there's pelenty of blame her. >> we want to take that step by stech approach. the leadership did turn to the committee with the border bills that weren't getting the kind of support necessary to pass. we came in and offered a number of changes to the two bills, rallied the support, and all but four republicans in the house voted for it. so we think we know how to do this right.

but it is this step-by step approach and we need to continue to win over converts to that approach. >> as you know, you won me over from the introduction through the report out of the committee with your approach. it's one that i think is the most reasonable. i have supported it for the past two years. i do not understand why some of your colleagues and your leadership have not been more vocal in their support and advocacy. let's turn to your advocacy which today turned to libyan pilots and nuclear scientists training in the united states. do you or congressman trey gotti working up a bill this week called the protecting the homeland act to keep the obama administration from doing just that, bringing in libyan pilots for training and their nuclear scientists for training. why should that even be necessary? >> isn't that amazing? first of all, the administration says that relations with libya

are normalizing. well, you know, they just -- >> i'm sorry, congressman. could you just -- i'm sure that we've got viewers who think they didn't hear their ears correctly, they didn't hear you correctly, their ears are not working. >> the administration has told us under the judiciary committee repeatedly when we questioned this policy which is by the way on the doorstep of being unacted. all regulatory procedure has been follow the all that has is the homeland security secretary jay johnson sign the final rule and libyan scientists and potential pilots and aviation maintains people will be able to come to the united states and be educated here. does it sound familiar to what happened just 13 years ago two days from now where we had other people from the middle east coming and learning how to fly planes? this is a very disconcerting thing. they say we're normalizing

relations with libya but just this summer we had to evacuate the u.s. embassy in tripoli and no one has forgotten what happened and no accountability has been provided for it either to the united states ambassador and three other brave americans who were killed there by terrorists just two years ago. we've introduced this bill to say, hey guys, get real, let's stop this policy right now before it ever takes effect and leads to some other tragedy in the future. >> no wonder the american people are brimming over. with trust for this administration. congressman, we thank you for being here. good to see you back in washington d.c. thanks so much. >> thank you, lou. up next, the president taking his focus off our real enemy in the middle east, my commentary is next.

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americans, 57% as we have reported to you think the president's leadership on foreign policy is weak and indecisive. according to the same poll, 76% of voters stay the united states should be doing more to stop the islamic terrorists. whatever the president does tonight, i hope he going well beyond what has become american foreign policy toward the middle east. i hope the president is thinking larger thoughts about the enemies of this great nation and our allies. many of our leaders in both political parties have yielded to a desire for retribution after watching two of our fellow citizens murdered, bye heeheadb. i question whether that retribution would be better taken quietly, not be a center piece of the presidential address to the nation. this president says he's

uncomfortable with political theatre, but he does seem to revel in all the trappings of political theatre, including addresses to the nation. regretly, president obama is avoiding discussion of a compelling strategy with which to deal with a graelter enemy, one that in my opinion is more deserving of a presidential prime time speech than the islamic state. i know that's not popular with your viewers or many of the american people for me to say that. i truly believe that enemy is iran. here's what former secretary of state henry kissinger also said about the islamic state. from a geo strategic point of view, i consider iran a bigger problem than isis. isis has to conquer more and more territory before they can become a geo strategic permanent reality. i think a conflict with isis, important as it is, is more manageable than a confrontation with iran. and that may be the problem.

mr. obama's strategy is too convenient. it is too supportive of his obvious preferences for ambiguous outcomes when it comes to iran. remember, this president believes he can talk and reason and negotiate successfully with iran, although he hasn't done so to date. whether on the issue of nuclear weapons or the syrian future, he proposes the united states destroy the sunni islamic group which of course would conveniently clear iraq for shia iranian dominance without opposition. there's a very real possibility that u.s. success against the islamic state would significantly further iran's ambition to become the hegemonic force of the middle east. the arab pro verb that says the enemy of my enemy is my friend, that's again convenient but couldn't be further from the truth in this instance. in the middle east we have to

recognize that we have many enemies, and we have drawn back from destroying them and pursuing our lasting, sustainable national interest in the region. president obama is surely aware that while iran is by far the more difficult enemy to defeat, it is also a more powerful threat, a more proximate threat than the islamic state, and we as a nation cannot rationally continue to avoid funding iran, a country that's responsible for more than a third of american combat deaths in iraq. why would the president and so many of our national leaders not be demanding as well an accounting of iran. perhaps the president will answer that question tonight. almost two years since the benghazi terrorist attack that left four americans dead, mark guise is the co-author of the book, 13 years. he was on the security team and tells us what really happened in tells us what really happened in beng dentures are very different to real teeth.

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an explosive new book reports how four americans who died in the benghazi terrorist attack would still be alive today had private security contractors not been told to stand down the night of the attack. my next guest one of those team members on the ground that incredible night. joining us now is mark oz geist. he's the co-author of "13 hours, the inside account of what really happened in benghazi." it is out today and i will tell you it's an incredible book. we recommend it to you, and it's an honor to have you here. >> thank you. it's an honor to be here. >> what happened in that moment in which you and your colleagues, your comrades wanted to get to the consulate compound

and you were told to stand down by the station chief? >> the guys were getting -- they were all ready to go. they were prepping the vehicles and i know tonto or chris pronto he asked the station chief we're ready to go, let's go. he said wait and he was talking with the tl and back and forth on the phone. >> the team leader? >> yeah. he said wait, stand down. he's like, okay. just know we're ready to go. probably five, ten minutes later, tigg came up and said, hey, we're losing the initiative. we need to get going. we need to get out there and get our eyes on what is happening out there. again, he was told to stand down. >> we're talking about a team of six men? >> yes. >> to take on all of the terrorists who were swamping the

compound, had it totally under fire. it was ablaze at that point. >> yes, it was. >> and you had radio traffic to tell you that they were within quick order of dying? >> yes. >> was there any explanation as to why the station chief did not want you to go at that particular point? did he communicate that? >> no, he didn't. he didn't talk to those guys. he was in communication with the t.l. he didn't say why he wanted to hold up. we can only consume and those assumptions could be from one end of the spectrum to the other. >> you've done a great service for the american people to bring the description that you do. it's an incredible book and so powerful in its recounting of the details, the facts, your

emotions. you feel like you're there. when i say i recommend the book to you, i do so unreservedly. what are your thoughts now as we approach that anniversary? you lost three of your comrades. the team made it, the four of you. where are you as you watch the politics of this, the continued refusal to tell the american people exactly from their government what happened? >> that's why we wrote the book. the story about the before had been hashed over, what should have been done, who should have done what, what happened with the talking points and everything afterwards has been gone over a million times. but the story that was never told was what happened on the ground that night. the 13 hours from when we got the call to when i walked onto the plane bleeding and beaten up. those 13 hours are about the

lives of several americans and what happened during that and the way six americans helped save five guys from the conflict, get them back to the annex and save over 25 people at the annex. had we not been there and gone, it's a good possibility there would have been a whole lot more loss of life. >> and to give you an idea of what mark went through individually, how many surgeries have you had for the shrapnel? >> more than a dozen. i've kind of lost count. i've got one more left at least. >> you look great and we're awfully proud and happy you're with us. >> thank you very much. >> and for all you did. >> thank you. >> and do. >> thank you very much. >> mark geist. the book is "13 hours, the inside account of what really happened in benghazi." it's on sale now online, at book stores everywhere. buy the book and learn the truth. up next, the president's

strategy hinging on train pg and arming the iraqi army and syrian rebels. k.t. mcfarland, dr. wa lead k.t. mcfarland, dr. wa lead ferris joi

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government that's got to be reliable and conclusion sieve and get everybody to sign up and there's an unassembled coalition with may be countries like iran or syria. >> and the question, who's going to pay how much for all of this. >> sure. >> walid, your thoughts on the president's 14 minutes? >> look, one point i found was to be made, it was made. a lot of care was surrounding it not just here but the arab world. he said there would be no role for the asset raegime which meas also that the iranians should not be direct allies and partners in this business. but having said that as k.t. mentioned, many moving parts and most of these parts are invisible. first question in iraq, yes, we want to have sunnis with us or

the iraqi government. but you know, lou, how much it's going to cost politically for the iraqi government to ma make concessions to get with the iraqi army against isis? who's going to do that job. if the iraqis mak make concessions -- >> if i could interject, i don't think we should leave any room for doubt that the iranian government has control over the iraqi government. that's at the very least a powerful influence for those who want to skirt along in the e equivocal. the fact is they dominate, right? >> they do dominate and that's something the american public is not well educated about. the iraqi government, the man who controls the interior and the defense and the armed forces are controlled by the iranian

intelligence service. if we turn to syria, we have a similar situation. we keep talking as k.t. has mentioned about the rebels. there's always a question here, we don't know who's who. actually we do. our agencies do know who's a moderate and who's not, et cetera. it's a political decision of the administration to make that choice. in the past we've spoken about, well, isis versus moderate islamic. we need to make sure it's on an idealogical ground. >> the u.s. government has not been clear at all. where do we go here? and the president -- this continues, to me, to be an important, small speech, 14 minutes carried on every network and i'll be dog goned if i can figure out what made it so urgent and so important.

>> absolutely. let's assume that everything goes well and the president succeed in defeating and destroying isis at some point in the future. what does that do? does that really clear the field for, as you point out, an iran-dominated iraqi government, potentially an iran with nuclear weapons to rule the region? that's not in our best interest either. >> i'd like you both to respond to this. people forget, i think, that this president is the one who believes that iran can be talked with, can be negotiated with and influenced and if only we will take the pause in which to reason, there is nothing in their history that suggests that any of that belief on the part of this administration is true, is there? >> no, absolutely not. there are more centrifuges spinning in iran than there are star bucks in america and they want even more. >> your thoughts, walid? >> there are way more iranian

influences in iraq than american influence in iraq. iran is connected to assad. iran has he's bowl la and lebanon. if we destroy isis without an alternative on the ground someone else will move in. we need full engagement in this. >> good to have you with us. >> thank you. up next, critics say president obama is avoiding a congressional vote on operations in iraq and syria in order to protect his party from what looked like will be bleak mid-term election results. former reagan political director ed rollins and the five ♪ [ female announcer ] we love our smartphones. and now telcos using hp big data solutions are feeling the love, too. by offering things like on-the-spot data upgrades -- an idea that reduced overcharge complaints by 98%. no matter how fast your business needs to adapt,

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lou: we will be talki w we'll be talking with juan williams and ed rollins here, two of my favorite folks, in just a moment to assess what happened tonight at the white house and what the president said. our quotation of the evening first, however, this from founding father the third president of the united states thomas jefferson who said, governments constantly choose between telling lies and fighting wars with the end result always be the same. one will always lead to the other. juan williams, good to have you with us, ed rollins, thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> let me start with the 14-minute speech. what was so urgent that the president needed to address the nation? >> it's an important subject and i think he certainly was entitled to the speech. it was a well delivered speech and well written but that wasn't much substance and he could have told us about what we're going to do here. i always want to support a

president when going in international battle. he said the iraq government is stable. they can't even pick a secretary of defense or interior minister. you have two forces who got their tails kicked, the syrian indict dents and the iraqi army by the group who are going to go this there and basically say america is threat by this but we're never going to put troops on the ground. it's nuts. sooner or later he's going to put troops on the ground. this is his war, america's war and it's going to last the rest of his presidency. you might as well send the nobel peace prize back and go do the job. >> juan, your thoughts? >> a lot of this has to be reaction to the video. i think that the american people, you've seen the poll numbers over the last week or so have gone totally in support of america getting involved in terms of taking out isis. that's what escalated the stakes. i think to come to your point earlier in the broadcast, lou, that's why the networks gave

president obama this time, prime time at night, i don't know about if the nfl was on, as ed was pointing out to me earlier, but tonight they gave him the time for this 14 minutes and the reason was to speak to the american people and for president with his foreign policy standing, his approval numbers there way down, his stake is, again, to say to the american people as he said, my core principle is you cannot threaten the united states, i'll stand with you. so now for the congress -- and i think this is the next question, he is saying to the congress, i would appreciate it if you guys would give me some approval about sending in these foreign trainers. it's not clear that they're even willing to do that, much less willing to give him authorization for this action. they didn't do it a year ago in syria. i'm not sure with the mid-terms a few months out the republicans or the democrats want to put their stamp on this action, given the questions that persist about its likely success. >> but i would argue if we're

going to spend the next couple of years here and we are clear are. it's going to take a couple years. we need to go to the congress and explain to the congress, he needs to make his case to the congress, democrats and republicans, let them argue it out. john kerry is running around the world talking to our allies giving the explanation why we're there. i think this is important for the american people to know again why we're going back in this region after two wars in the last ten years. >> we talk about these long wars again. short speeches and long wars, 14 minutes and a long war against the islamic state, while the principle enemy of the united states is iran and that region seeking to be the hegemonic, the term nant power, juan. at what point can we look to our leaders and actually hear truth escape their lips? >> i think again, there's an effort to somehow negotiate with the iranians, as you said in the previous segment.

there's no reason to think that they are people of good nature and an honest partner for negotiations, but i can see that you want to make the effort because you don't want to get into a situation where we're back in war again. let's leave that alone for a second. the bigger point is speaking the truth. you said a moment ago, why don't you identify iran as the real threat. at the moment, i got to tell you, the american people aren't on board with that. the american people are reacting to the video to the idea that someone is out there bye heading americans and we shouldn't let them get away with it, that those people are barbaric and we need to respond to them and the idea that they can come here and do something to us, especially given tomorrow is 9/11. >> part of this is also just simply judgment. this is a president who says that he's not comfortable with political theatre, yet he engages in it almost man i ackley and is obviously in love

with the trappings of it all. why not quietly carry out retribution as we did against osama bin laden? why spend billions of dollars to do something that can be done in quite different ways? >> we've been supplying arms to the syrian dissidents for months and months and months and there's no public dialogue about that but you've now made this a public fight and maybe that's what he feels he needs to do. >> hasn't he also elevated the islamic state? >> no doubt about it. at the end of the day, he's got to finish it. he can't go in there again for the sake of the american people and the american troops, you can't go in there one more time and two years from now pull them out. i go back to the point, you don't start a fight, as two old fighters, and reference on the old, i cannot going to throw my right hand, i'm only going to use my jab. when we say we're not putting americans on the ground, if we believe these guys are terrorists and they're going to come here, we have 400,000 american troops who would be happy to go back there and i

think we need to make that case if we're going to do that. >> ed, let's just talk -- >> 30 seconds, juan. >> ed, don't you think that the american people don't want it, republicans or democrats, according to the polls don't want boots on the ground. >> they never have. but if you really think and the generals think it's a threat, you got to make the case. >> juan williams, good to have you with us and ed rollins. up next, the new book, what women really want, exposing the concept of, well, actually the projected idea of republican women and you cannot miss co-author dr. gina louden who is co-author dr. gina louden who is when fixed income experts co-author dr. gina louden who is work with equity experts who work with regional experts that's when expertise happens. mfs. because there is no expertise without collaboration.

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women really want requested requested about the false claims that democrats are the party of women and the republicans not. we're joined by dr. gina louden. congratulations on the book. >> thank you. >> you take on the idea that the democratic party is the party of women and women's issues and republicans something else. >> yes. >> why so? >> we've been told repeatedly that the feminists speak for women. interestingly, lou, only about 20% of women consider themselves feminists. this is going to blow your mind about 90% of working women, according to forbes, say they would like the option to stay home, that staying home has always been a goal of theirs, being able to stay home with their families. this is not what we hear from the media. when is the last time you heard the media say this or that you heard 90% of women agree on anything.

but 90% of working women want to be home. we've been sold a pack of lies. >> you say want to be home. they want to have that option. >> they want that option. it's a luxury. >> what about -- i love this expression, reproductive rights? what about all of those issues that republicans for many women come down on the wrong side? they want to have a choice, again, choice is important to women just as it is to men. >> yes. >> how do you handle that issue? >> in the book "what women really want" we talk about how choice really is freedom which really is money. if you put those three things together, they're very hard to distinguish because each gives you the other. when we talked to women we found out that freedom was a lot more important in terms of economic freedom, job security, national security. those kind of things mattered a lot more than free birth control and feminine hygiene products

which the left would make you think are the most important things on the list for women. >> what do the g.o.p. have to do to make sense because women effectively elected barack obama for president of the united states? >> the g.o.p. is going to have to come up with strong leadership, somebody that women and men alike can trust to restore those economic freedoms that the women are crying out for, that can make it so that if they want to they can survive on one income again like we did before all of their empowerment happened over the last 50 years. >> the idea that the republican party can be the party of women, what specifically are you going to have to do? strong leadership i get but what about the issues? what was it the dnc chair woman talking about scott walker. she had to apologize for saying he had given the back of his hand for women. the rhetoric is inflammatory and the republicans don't have a response. >> they don't. and they back down every time

that the democrats get up in their face. but on things like job security, national security, open borders is something that undermines both of those things. that's something that really matters to women, job security and national security. open borders now, just today here we are on the national civil rights day and what does the american government decide to do? sign a deal with mexico saying that we're going to protect mexican workers, legal and illegal. wait a minute, what are american workers? this is what's really on the minds and hearts of american women right now. >> dr. gina louden, great to have you with us. >> a pleasure. >> congratulations on the book. we recommend it highly, "what women really want." you'll be shocked. on sale online at book stores everywhere. david tweeted me i predict president obama will end up with the lowest approval rating of any president since world war 2.

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