. neil: here we go again, and now we know the war with isis is on. welcome, everybody. i'm neil cavuto. u.s. coalition planes striking key positions today. no word who has been hit there, but growing worries over what could be up to 100 isis militants already making their way here. or should i say right back here. that's because there are american citizens as much as they are isis recruits. somewhere paid recruits,

somewhere just malcontent, somewhere both. whatever made them turn on the country, at least 100 of them are in this country. so forget about what damage they are clearly doing to isis over there. rudy giuliani says start worrying about the damage the home-grown isis recruits can be doing over here. mayor, very good to have you. >> good to be here. neil: this is a big number. >> a big number and the call they made the other day for people to act on their own. the self-proclaimed jihadists, the crazy people, to me it's very, very worrisome. neil: you got a call from the headquarters do, what you want to do, whatever way can you do it. >> we know in our society we have a certain number of totally crazy people who want to act out violently, and we have somebody encouraging him to do it, under a banner of jihadism, a banner of distorted religion, that can produce the one off, the two off terrorist

act which is the hardest one to find. if it's a big group, they're communicating with each other. if they're communicating with each other, we have a chance to pick it up through intercepts, through informants, through information, but when it's this you go ahead and act on your own, that becomes very difficult. neil: when there are 100 of them that are reportedly here. >> it could be more. originally we heard 500. now dropped 100. neil: we know of 1,000 in britain, a few dozen in france. it spread over, isis has been able to recruit them. the question is obviously we never revoked their passports. we got access back here and we're not addressing those who never left here. >> i'm not so sure how well identified we have them. neil: what do we have to fear? >> terrorist attacks. and maybe this group doesn't necessarily want to do a terrorist attack at scale of the september 11th. but what we found out was the boston marathon is, if you do a

relatively smaller terrorist act, you can have a massive effect on the united states. neil: scare people. >> now the good news is, here in new york, you can't have better security. i've been over at the u.n. a couple times this week. the security is higher than it's ever been. i used to be in charge of the security for eight years. i know it really well. i know the police cars in the right spots in the city. the city getting as much protection. neil: the fact of the matter, the present mayor seems more lately concerned with climate change than potential terrorist change here. that does not make me feel confident on top of this. >> there is a distinction, be careful. the present mayor has limited stop and frisk. limited areas that involve violent crime that i don't agree with. the present mayor has not interfered in bill bratton's campaign to deal with terrorism. and bratton knows how to do

terrorism, and i haven't detected any attempt by the mayor to interfere in that. neil: you're giving the benefit of the doubt. i have my doubts. i hope you're right. this collective view, we passed the 13th anniversary of 9/11. i always argue with every year that goes by, seems to be more distant, even with the isis threat. what do you think? >> this year, i felt worse than i had in a number of years, and have a dinner with a lot of people that i survived and work with that day. we get together every year on the 11th. and many of us felt the same way. the reason we did was. neil: felt what? >> a certain amount of concern that the country is back to being somewhat more dangerous again, where we had gone through 8, 10 -- neil: where are you coming from? i hear more chatter. >> because of isis, because of this new group, because we don't know as much about them. i also have a theory. i think our pullout from iraq, which i think was a terrible

mistake, was a mistake also from the point of view, we get less intelligence. when have you 50,000, 100,000 troops in the country, you get a tremendous amount of information. when you have no troops in the country, you get very little information, which is why we know so little about these groups. neil: we know enough they have a lot of money. >> i am a big proponent, i know it's unpopular and against the polls. we should have a permanent military presence in the middle east in the range of 50 to 100,000 troops. you know how long it should last? when they stop wanting to kill us, that's what when we leave. this is what we did in germany, in south korea. we need a president like we had from truman to reagan, republican and democrat, that understands that. neil: if we don't? >> if we don't, we're going to be in a lot more danger. neil: could i switch gears very quickly. you are representing activision in a suit involving manual noriega who is holed up in a

jail. >> right. neil: what is noriega complaining about? >> he's complaining about he's being utilized. the publicity is utilized and he should be entitled to the money. neil: he's in an activision game. >> in call of duty, played by 40,000 people. probably one of the most popular games in the world, and he is suing for millions of dollars. neil: are they actually using him as the character? >> they are using him but putting him in a fictional role. so this is no different than if bin laden's family were to sue zero dark 30 for the way they depicted him in that movie. neil: where is this played out? >> california superior court. he's suing for millions of dollars. here's the interesting thing, he is a small character in this particular video. he appears for only 1% of the

time, 45 characters. president bush's character, david petraeus is a character, oliver north helped develop the game. he's a character. neil: are they getting any cut? >> they are not, they are not suing, getting money, they're public figures, they're not entitled to it. the danger here is a danger to free speech. it's a danger that if he could prevail with something like this, all of this genre of historical fiction could be in jeopardy because people could sue, and second, it just happens to be an outrage that this guy, who i know from being u.s. attorney and associate attorney general made billions off drug dealing in this country, now wants to take millions and stick it in a panamanian prison, who knows what he would do with it in a panamanian prison. my law firm and i are involved in it. it's great for me being back being a lawyer. i love being a lawyer. the nine years i've been practicing and now i get a

chance to do some courtroom work. neil: maybe you will be featured in the next causal >> advanced warfare with kevin spacey, tell your friend about it. >> i could do voice-overs about that. >> these are like the old john wayne movies. the good guys beat the bad guys. man! that's great! >> there's a concept. >> the good guys win, and the bad guys low, which is the kind of movies you and i grew up with. neil: and then, you know, the mayor comes out with submachine gun and gets everybody. mayor, thank you. from the mayor to the man and isis and how it pays to fight for isis. news that the terror group is good at recruiting folks to the tune of 1,000 bucks a month to join. a hefty paycheck. to our fox biz all-stars, hadley, cheryl casone.

>> it would be sick to think that it would be money motivating those to join isis. the truth is you have a good point, when you come to the poorer countries where isis is operating, that is a lot of money to some of these people and unfortunately that may win over the mayhem and the destruction that they are actually causing and the horrific things they're doing to americans and brits. neil: jonas, someone mentioned al qaeda didn't do anything like this? >> much more compelling terror organization, we can't compete with that, that is barely below our minimum wage here. however, we can do things. neil: but it's tax free. >> we should make currency illegal. i bet they're paid in u.s. dollars. our u.s. currency using all kinds of criminal enterprises. neil: they are paid in cash. >> they can outlaw it and track digital currency that would make it difficult to pay mercenaries in whatever money to work for you. neil: the old line used to be hadley, you have to pay

soldiers to fight, they don't really have much of a fight in them, especially if it's all about the money, maybe not as much about the cause then maybe this isn't such a big worry. what do you think? >> i know money makes the world go around. i think this is more than money. isis is kind of like a violent gang that they recruit people looking for meaning in their lives. it's an inate human desire to want to be part of something greater than ourselves and isis is trying to come into people's lives who are desperate and offer them something to be a part of, some cause to be a part of. it's more than money. >> the fact of the matter is they do seek out impoverished locales, england and worst parts of minnesota, michigan, what have you. there is a method to their money madness, right? >> they are preying on people that are likely emotionally unstable and would have turned to violent crime whether in the united states or money in the

middle east. neil: money greases it. >> i have a feeling, i can't believe in my heart of hearts that someone isn't going to turn to a life of isis based on a paycheck, there is a much more emotional component. neil: what do you think, jonas? >> people make hits for money. neil: why are you looking at me, just because i'm an italian american. it's just another factor, though. definitely, it's a bonus. it's an enticement as cash intensive. a lot of money to people and get them to do something they're on the fence about. that's why people give signing bonuses to employees, i don't know what we're trying to do to stop it. we can't outbid them so they don't join isis. they are already questionable characters in light of going a killing spree. there is hitman who work for that kind of money. neil: the fact of the matter is this is the first group, terror group to do it on such a

large-scale, right? >> let's remember they are a terror organization, and terrorists terrorize people, maybe not in the united states but other parts of the world. people are complying with isis simply out of fear. they are manipulating people's emotions out of fear and hope that people who have no hope for other causes. >> stick around. does the scary world ever make you want to leave this world? just pack up and leave? has richard branson got a deal for you. i mean an out-of-this-world deal for you. after this. "hello. you can go ahead and put your bag right here."

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. neil: he is considered the boss to work for on the planet. richard branson in just a minute. but first, treasury department cracking down on all of those inversion deals which will make it a lot harder for u.s. companies to merge with foreign companies to save on taxes. instead of cracking down on companies trying to escape taxes here, why not focus on why they are trying to escape from here. charlie gasparino says this is not the approach it take. >> well, i would hope, and i

know it's a faint, it's not going to happen. they're not going to do this in the context of tax reform. and there's a reason why companies are incorporating in ireland and everywhere else but here, our corporate tax rate is higher than our tax rate. neil: perfectly legal maneuver if taxes were -- >> someone like ben stein, our colleague on the other show, the reason why corporate taxes are higher than income taxes is because we have lower income taxes. we have to make up the difference through higher corporate taxes. my view is we should have a flatter tax, a tax system that encourages investment. i know, this must sound like, we've been saying this for years, it's obvious, look at this economy right now. one of the slowest growth economies coming out of a deep recession this country has ever had. why is this happening? you have a president obsessed

with taxes. usually when you make a change to the tax code, far be it from me, i'm not a lawyer, ask andrew napolitano about it. you have to get legislative approval to make a significant change to the tax code. corporate inversions are perfectly legal. you have the treasury secretary saying no, let's do. this can you do that? is that legal? it sounds unconstitutional. neil: what's the fallout? >> we had burger king come out and say the tim horton's deal has nothing to do with taxes. this is about canadian growth, come on. neil: they are relocating corporate headquarters there, and the difference is this one warren buffett is involved. >> warren buffett is president obama's chief tax man. i had an interesting conversation with howie kurtz, he said how do you expect

mr. buffett, i basically called him a hypocrite. why should he unilaterally disarm. why should he not follow the rules until they change? with buffett's involvement, there's lots of things mr. buffett is invest in. he does not have to be involved in the one deal. neil: he does like food-related deals, right? >> if this notion of corporate inversion -- >> then you avoid it like the plague. >> yeah. neil: what do you think? >> if the tax code requires patriotism to collect, they can legally do something to lower the rate, they have to fix the code that makes the incentive to move or change it now. i would go to a flatter corporate tax rate. neil: you are on the same page. >> it's got to come back to the treasury, in the sales tax. >> you do something paul ryan wanted to do or something that

erskine bowles wanted to do and that's reform the tax code, plug up the loopholes. neil: but it never happens. >> never happens. neil: that's what's getting back to this whole debate. i know no one pays the top rate, that 35%, it's not paid. the argument is the same, but the top investors don't pay the 39% rate. the fact of the matter is even adjusting for that that adjusted rates are still the highest in the united states and nowhere else. why can't we address that to disincentivize companies from seeking this loophole? >> you know i think americans hear things about our high corporate tax rate. they hear contradictory messages about the fact that warren buffett's secretary pays a higher tax rate than he does. neil: she must be the richest secretary on the planet. >> must be well paid. we want tax reform because we want economic growth, and

remember when it means to viewers at home, more opportunities, more jobs, better jobs, real wage growth to attain the american dream. this is not about corporations at the end of the day, it's about people. >> quick point, it's going catch up with us. you've got stagnant income growth and we're getting the higher wage earners, those jobs are going down. they're going to catch up. >> it is growing in the process son. >> you know why? corporate america. because what corporate america does in tough times they seek efficiencies, lay people off. i will say one thing, if there's one bipartisan thing that people agree on, and these are bipartisan, i would say moderates on both sides and people that are less than moderate on both sides. they agree they need tax reform. this is a bipartisan issue. the only person. neil: they never do, they never do. >> we have a president that

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. neil: all right, lot of traffic in new york city this week. president in town, addressing the climate at the u.n. climate change summit, but will anything come of it? leaders are skipping the talk. my next guest is here to kick off climate week with a voice behind hundreds of thousands of protesters in new york city. regardless of what you make of climate change, he was talking about i think even before al gore was. i could be wrong. i'm talking about business magnate author of the virgin way, everything i know about leadership, sir richard branson. sir richard, good to have you. >> always good to see you. neil: what do you make of a lot of leaders, the head of the u.n., john kerry, secretary of state, saying this is the number one crisis of our time. do you think it is? >> i think it could be. i mean, you know, our children and grandchildren could suffer,

i don't think people in our generation are likely to suffer enormously, but as an insurance policy, i think it makes sense to move the world to cleaner fuels, because in any event we're going to run out of oil one day, and cleaner fuels can bring real competition to the fuels, and i think bring everybody's fuel bills down. neil: people here in this country might quibble with you on that, i think this tax, the administration is thinking of slapping on coal in the interim is going to lead to a lot higher electric utility bills. >> let me give you just one example. we are lucky enough to live on an island. we turned our island into a clean island. powered by the wind and the sun. neil: how many live on your island? >> just to finish. so last year, our bill was $750,000. this year it will be $325,000.

so you can, you know, you can, if you're clever, i believe, reduce your fuel bills. bring some competition to the dirty fuel industry, which will force them to bring their fuel prices down, and i think benefit a whole country like america. obviously, on our island, we don't have as many people as america. if you can do it in a small microcosm. neil: what do you move to? solar? >> solar and winter. neil: our experience with solar has not been great, one costly boondoggle after another. >> a lot of people came unstuck, one reason is because the chinese have reduced the amount of solar dramatically. solar can now compete with coal, if you put solar up in our homes in america, you can benefit enormously from doing so. so i think there is a massive future in solar, and the price of solar is coming down all the

time. neil: here's my worry with all of this stuff, though, and that when we say what's going on across the world with isis and terrorists. we get a lot of our oil, wouldn't it be behoove us to look at any options, for example, you might have with britain or the north sea, france with scots and here in our country of traditional fossil fuel along with solar, along with wind, along with the other alternative powers, but seem to be picking and choosing this. the left solar and wind only, the right fossil fuels only. i say all in on everything. what's wrong with that? >> i think that, obviously, and i'm in the camp where i'd like to see -- i'd like to see clean fuels replace the current fuels. but obviously, not to the expense of the economy, because i think if you damage the economy, you are then going to damage hospitals. neil: you think that's a risk

now? >> no, because i think -- for instance, if you take the fracking, i mean, i think as long as you can collect the methane and not let the methane go into the air, fracking making america self-sufficient, you know, is most likely not a bad thing, and it is less polluting than coal. so i think all these things are a bit of a balance, but i think what we ought to be doing is pushing on, you know, with massive solar parks in places like america, using our deserts to do that, and even if you don't reduce them, and even if you don't believe in global warming, if you don't reduce the dependency on oil and coal, you will at the very least reduce the price of the cost of -- the cost of fuels if you have a competitive edge.

neil: you might do that. do you find the fear campaign is backfiring on those protesting in this city and elsewhere, it wasn't too long ago, i can remember in the late 70s, the great global freeze, it was on the cover of news week and "time" and leonard nimoy was doing a documentary on the great ice age to come. that was the collective wisdom of the scientific community back then, and now we're told this is the collective wisdom of a scientific community now. you can blame a lot of americans, maybe at my age, for saying, wait a minute, which is it? >> i personally, i'm not a scientist, all i can do is listen to scientists. i'm not somebody who goes to church every week, i do listen to scientists. neil: they're not mutually exclusive. >> well, have another debate on that one. but i think that i do believe

that if 95% of scientists believe something -- >> i only raise that not to be a taciturn but tight numbers at the time really believe that global freeze was taking hold. and maybe in 77, 78 we had a lot of bad blizzards. >> too far ago for me to remember. neil: do you think it's real enough for us to do something? >> if the scientists feel that strongly, you know, i would take it seriously, and if nothing else as an insurance policy. neil: more with richard branson right after this. right after this. his views on whenwork with equity experts who work with regional experts that's when expertise happens. mfs. because there is no expertise without collaboration.

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leadership. agree with his style or politics, the fact of the matter is when average folks across the globe were asked who they would really like to work for? who would be a cool boss? sir richard came up. number 2 was rupert murdoch. okay. [ laughter ] >> anyway, all things aside, sir richard branson back with us, and his leadership style is pretty much don't be a jerk, don't be dictatorial, don't be shouting at workers or making their life hell. you are a big advocate of unlimited vacation time, you feel that by throwing a lot of rules at workers, they're not as, what, happy? productive? both? >> most of our life is spent at work, and therefore life should be fun, interesting, entertaining, it should be rewarding. and that's -- that is the virgin way, that's the way we treat our people. as i child, if i criticized

somebody, my parents would send me to the mirror and ask me to stand and look at myself for five minutes because it reflected so badly. neil: interesting. >> we praise people for the best in people, and in return, we get the best. neil: do you run across people who don't get the best? you get the jerks? you are being accommodating a boss as you can be. they don't get it. they're slugs and gotta go. >> there is one person who stole from virgin. neil: that's not good. >> and i took him into the office and said that was not a clever thing to do. [ laughter ] >> is that really how you did it? >> and i gave him a second chance. neil: really? >> that guy was so loyal us to, he signed rolling stone, boy george, you know, i do think

that we -- everybody deserves a second chance on occasions and i think a company that, if you run your company like a family, you don't throw your children out in the street. neil: no, your workers are rabidly loyal, you don't have a lot of turnover, obviously, you practice what you preach. you must have a tough guy, woman, who is the tough cop, or do you? >> i hope we don't -- for instance, if somebody is not performing well, rather than sacking them, we will find them a different job where they will perform well. neil: within the conglomerate? >> yeah. obviously, they'll be let go, but it doesn't happen very often. neil: when you talk about the unlimited vacation policy idea. i think it was your daughter who conveyed that to you. was it netflix had something like that? >> she said, particularly in america, america hardly gives its people any holidays

whatsoever. she's about to be a mom, and, you know, she said it's wrong that the vacation time is so short, so we thought we would experiment, and starting with our head offices around the world. if anybody wants to take holiday any time, they can. neil: what if everyone did at the same time. >> they must get the job done, and a company must keep running, and so if flexible, people want to work from home, they should be able to work from home. if they want to work from home on fridays and mondays, they should be able to consider doing that. if they want to share their job with somebody else. so i think flexibility is important, particularly for women who have got children and want to see their kids a bit. neil: space. you're big on space. comes at a time when the united states is government dependent, governments are backing out of this, and you are offering a private way for average folks

and many others to do it. and quite a few have signed up for it. where do we stand on this? >> taken longer than i thought. i suspected a year or so ago, we would have been in space by now. i believe by the end of this year, we are to offer our first test flight into space with this craft will have happened, and i do believe by round about march, april of next year, myself and my son will be going up. neil: really? >> we'll be the sort of guinea pig. neil: you pay how much? >> the initial price is $250,000. if you want to go on a russian spaceship it is 40, 50 million dollars. neil: there is that, and you go up and down, right? >> the initial flights are short. they'll be the pine either flight which will lead on point to point travel. we want to take to people orbitally around the world, that will be the very next exciting project we'll be working on, and then, you know,

we've got plans to raise satellites in space. there's a lot of very very exciting things which will happen, but the best bit of news which i can tell you today is our rockets are now, you know, working the full length of time, very consistently, and we feel confident that by christmas we will have done the first test flight into space. neil: will we be able to find cheaper ways to hitch a ride with you rather than the 60 million we're spending with the russians? >> we'll be charging about $250,000. massively cheaper. something like 2% of the privacy the russians. neil: it's a cool idea. a lot of your ideas are cool. outside the box. richard branson, the virgin way, everything i been leadership, and part of that is being a nice guy. it can be contagious, it can work. pretty much like me. hurry up! we got to go to a break. >> what are you laughing about? [ laughter ]. neil: exactly, exactly. i'm on the next spaceship as we speak, they're volunteering me for it.

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. neil: that would be a no-brainer, anyway, that's just me, think about this, folks, if these other alphabet soup sports agencies are doing that, isn't it just a matter of time before it permeates the american workplace. is that a good or bad thing?

back with hadley, and jonas and cheryl. hadley, is this a good idea? >> you know, i don't think conduct codes are necessarily anything new, they should be something that employers are free to negotiate with workers depending on the job, depending on the work. in the case of the sports associations, a lot of the athletes are stars, very well-known public entities with a greater measure of influence comes with a greater measure of accountability. i don't blame the organizations for cracking down. neil: some of them are commonsensical. cheryl, we have conduct clauses. >> there's a morality clause in my contract, i don't know about yours. neil: but i don't need it written down. i know how to behave. >> maybe i do. neil: maybe you don't. >> i will tell you this, there's cameras everywhere, and i don't think. neil: what do you mean everywhere. >> everywhere. neil: really? >> everywhere, and i have to tell you this, i don't think it's going to be companies or organizations that enforce,

it's going to be public outcry. saying this with the nfl, we're going to see that more and more with youtube, facebook and everything else. neil: in other words, something you do offair or offhours, do you think it's fair you should be judged by that. it has happened with a lot of the players. >> it doesn't matter. it's going to happen. it's the new reality. neil: i can understand that if you're beating a spouse or abusing a kid, what if you are getting drunk friday night at a bar. this is a typical weekend for you, i know. kidding aside, why should you be judged on that behavior when otherwise behavior and input here during the week is brilliant? >> good point. almost everybody has done -- especially young people on the internet taken to the extreme that violates code of office and could get fired, what i'm saying is i'm not sure the employer. neil: can do you a quick search? [ laughter ]. >> i don't know if the employer is supposed to be, they're not the criminal justice system, we

don't fire people based on the shape. public. neil: you do now. >> how well someone works is how they get hired or fired in the company. if you start doing this, you create a culture of poor people who can't get jobs because they have a criminal record they served prison time for. neil: what if it's the case of the pr guy at walmart who doctored his resume, said he graduated when he didn't graduate. he went to the university of delaware, never finished there, never went. the whole thing was a lie. he himself is doing an okay job. comes back to bite you, a lie is a lie, a misrepresentation is a misrepresentation, hadley, is that fair or right. >> i totally hear what my colleague jonas is saying. i understand employers can't be the morality police, what employees do often reflects upon the employer. in the case of the guy who works for walmart. his role within the company is a spokesperson, and walmart

wants their spokesperson to be a trustworthy voice, people can't trust him because he has a history of falsifying something in the resume, i think it's totally within walmart's purview to say you are not right for the position. >> companies aren't going to always catch employees for everything. for instance, i raid neil's refrigerator every friday night and he hasn't figured it out. neil: because there is nothing in there. [ laughter ] >> this is definitely the way it's going, and definitely cases where employees should fire employees. neil: do you think the nfl has made it that we'll have the antennae up. >> i worry about employees being blacklisted from jobs because of extracurricular improprieties, that should be something to deal with the criminal justice system, the employer should like you or not as a worker. if you have a lying employee, you want trustworthy pr people.

create a whole bunch of people who can't work because of punishments in the criminal justice system is unfair as well. >> people forgive and forget. >> if you're not in jail, i'm not sure you shouldn't be allowed to work. neil: hadley? >> another point is people forgive and forget and move on. tiger woods, an example of somebody who got in trouble, negative media attention for behavior off of the golf course. neil: he's not playing well, though. that's true. >> i want to thank you all. when we come back, what is the deal with my dare connecting jesus and isis? jesus and isis? all i was sayininininin health can change in a minute. so cvs health is changing healthcare.

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. neil: "what's the deal, neil?." isis is the crisis, because i believe western civilization is all but given god the heave hoe. tim out in arizona agrees with. that best closing statement i have heard, bravo. a nation of crackpots led by the biggest crackpots of all. i wish there were more voices like yours broadcast in this country. joan in minnesota, great one mr. cavuto. we are headed down the road to rome. jack, don't you find it ironic you claim our problems are caused by moving away from god. isis says they are doing god's work. i wonder if they ran that one by their god who might find them a piece of work. nonsense, the islamic extremists are causing much of the problems to our way of life. pray to their god five times a

day and insist to what they believe is god's law, maybe it would be better if they stop believing in god. stan, better still if we started believe again in a very different god. the one we used to honor. not too long ago, joe in california beautifully said no christ, no truth, no truth no freedom, no freedom no life. whether it's christ or other deity, no judeo-christian foundation, no foundation period, no country, period. michael in texas, as a 33-year army veteran, i could not agree more with your commentary, thank you for standing up with america. thank you, you, michael for serving. great reflections on god and our turning from him. bill, i normally do not respond to such thoughts, i believe you are right on point as you have allowed the few to denigrate the fundamental foundations of this country. that is my fear, hollow to the

core. we are building our house in sand in vain. britpicks up on the bib electrical theme. those who put darkness for light and light for darkness and bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter, that sounds like msnbc's motto. we worship the god of self and have a country full of narcissists, we will never succeed with the attitude. pride goes before fall, rome did fall, we too are falling. never so cynical about stuff, joan, we can stop, this we have the power to stop the trend we ourselves create. and then there's this from ken, god is not dead, chee not die. those who whine that he is did cannot accept things happen. when something happens they don't like, they claim he is dead. you are dead on right about that. god isn't the problem, we are.

porter, porter, haven't heard from him in a long time. you talking about god is like roger goodell saying he's sorry. sorry ain't buying it from either of you two phony gas bags. we're both phony gas bags. believe this gas bag, porter, when he tells you god really hates and you he's going to doom you to a life of permanent flames. just saying. telling star, how's that for a calling. anyone taking moral advice from a guy who reads a prompter and wears a tupee hoping to see 72 virgins when he dies. both are doomed. people who write such nonsense are more doomed. do tell, telling star. and i'm not a religious man, i know there must be a god if someone as homely and thick skulled as you becomes a success. that's not mary talking, that is a miracle working, grant

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