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mcfarland, and pulitzer prize winner judith miller. the most polarizing members of the president's cabinet. president obama announcing the resignation of attorney general eric holder and he talked about his legacy. >> it might be reinvigorating and restoring the core mission to what he calls the conscious of the civil rights division. he has been relentless against attacks on the civil rights voting act. no citizen should have to jump through hoops to exercise their most fundamental right. >> the attorney general isn't going anywhere, however. he will stay on until the president nominates a successor and the person is confirmed. joining us is congressman randy forbes, house armed services committee and the house

judiciary committee. held in contempt by the house of representatives. >> lou, it was interesting when the the president was speaking the. he suggested that he had appointed mr. holder as america's lawyer and as the people's lawyer. and mr. holder might have been a number of things, but he was anything but america's lawyer, the people's lawyer. he was clearly the administration's lawyer. and one of the things that we have seen over and over again in the judiciary committee from testimony from democrats and republicans is that this has been an attorney general that's basically throwing the rule of law out the window. so many of us are not going to be crying that we may have a change in the justice department and rein state that rule of law. >> and turning to the issue of his successor, how difficult do you judge it will be to find an appropriate successor who can actually be confirm canned by

the senate? >> lou, i think it will be easy to find somebody. i think the question will be whether the president wants that person. if the president continues to want somebody that's just going to be very partisan, very polarizing, an individual that is simply going to take a motto that the end justifies the means, i think he's going to have a very difficult time getting that approved by the senate. but if he brings someone forward that is competent and willing to rein state that rule of law, i think he'll be successful in doing that. i'm just not convinced the president has that as his goal. >> let's turn now if we to foreign policy and to the war against the islamic state. your judgment about whether or not at this point we are bringing adequate fire power to the task of degradindegrading, e president put it, destroying the islamic state. >> lou, it's more than the amount of fire power. it's whether or not we have the right strategy. the thing that is problematic to most of us right now is you have

a commander in chief that really just doesn't have a strong leadership around the world. and how could he? when you have two former secretaries of defense that basically say he has ignore their recommendation when you have the chairman of the joint chiefs who said every military vice was to do something different than what the president did. when you have secretary gates when he has employed other strategies that he has done it half-heartedly. and i think a lot of the world leadership if the president is going to take one step in and pull it back out when you look at a crisis this large in the middle east. >> and going forward, the islamic state, is it in your judgment the imminent threat characterized as being by the administration? >> lou, we don't have the evidence to suggest it is an imminent threat. but we do have evidence to show it is a threat. it is clearly the most organized, well trained, best

equipped, best financed terrorist group the world has ever seen. with that in mind, and based on the statement that they have said, they want to do harm to americans and american interests, we have to take that very seriously. if we don't take action against them, we will have more problems down the road. that's why many of us take this very, very seriously at this point in time. >> and as we wrap up here congressman, rorpts of reports yon in the house with john boehner. how realistic is it to assume that that will build momentum? >> lou, i don't think it's very strong. i think basically that's more press coverage right now than it is actuality. i think most people in the house right now very united behind the speaker. most importantly, united for these elections. we know the country can't afford two more years of this divided congress. we want to make sure we win the and the senate. that's going to be our focus,

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here to analyze the u.s.-led strike and his reaction to the president's speech today is colonel ralph peters. good to have you with us, ralph. >> nice to talk to you again, lou. >> the president today at the united nations, as he has in the two previous years, creating some controversy.

your reaction to his call for action? >> well, first of all, i have to give credit. that was the finest speech ever given by a liberal arts grad student pretending to be president of the united states. this unholy mix of naive idealism, anti-americanism. when did the bomb start falling on ferguson, missouri? the cops out there are the same as isis. the anti-israeli remark about dead palestinian children two-state solution. by the way, lou, at the november elections, israel will have a very bad two years at the hands of this white house, which just hates israel. and you have the nutty idealism where he wants the iranians and the saw saudis, hezbollah. i honestly just broken down and

start singing we are the worrell, we are the children mid speech. you're welcome to sing along with me, by the way. >> i'm close to you in talent. >> that is a low bar, lou, low bar. >> i take it you did not approve of the president's speech. >> yeah. >> let's turn to what is happening right now. that is these air strikes being carried out by what broad coalition of 40 nations which they won't identify. five nations we do know are joining arab states with the united states in striking islamic state targets in syria. is that an effective beginning in your opinion to degrading and destroying the islamic state? >> no. we blew the beginning. blew it when the president warned we were going to attack syria instead of just doing it and announcing afterwards. we really, really blew it the other night. the media got so excited about

the dramatic footage of the before or after photos that they simply missed the core of the air strikes problem, while we did apparently get some members of the khorasan terrorist group we seemed to have consciously avoiding inflicting casualties on the isis terrorists. how do i know that? because even though there was no air threat, we went in the middle of the night. why would you do that? the only reason to do that is because you don't want to hurt people. you want to hit empty buildings. if you wanted to kill terrorists, you will hit late in the morning, 10:00, 11:00. the headquarters would have been fall. at least with the b team. a team might have been in hiding already. the training compounds, sites, they would have been crawling with terrorists. we could have killed several hundreds, but the president

wants to avoid mass blood she, anybody's blood on his watch. i'll tell you what reporters need to ask the pent gone. what are the targeting restrictions this president has put on our strikes? by the way, the strikes are puny too. >> when you talk about the restrictions, the colonel is referring to the fact that the commander in chief is personally approving if not selecting the strike targets. your reaction as we wrap up, ralph? much made of the president with that coffee in his right hand offering up a cursory salute to the marines as he descended air force one. your thoughts? >> it's not the end of the world. i think military personnel at this point don't expect much of him. i think it underscores how unwilling this president has

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to fight what he calls the network of death that is the islamic state. but the american people don't have to be geo-political savants to count all the way to six. six may make a half dozen, but it's only 3% of the nations in the world. and it is by any definition not a broad coalition of any kind. there are 22 arab nations, 28 members of nato. six simply doesn't get it. the united states and five arab nations carrying out strikes in syria just isn't a broad coalition. the reason folks don't believe president obama when he talks like that is he is simply not believable. he has a lousy track record of standing with allies we have had for decades, let alone the newly minted ones. this is how the president takes allies before today's u.n. general assembly. >> the violence engulfing the region today has made too many israelis ready to abandon the

hard work perform and that's something worthy of reflection within israel. because let's be clear. the status quo in the west bank a and gaza is not sustainable. >> you can imagine how thrilled the israelis are to hear. no reason for them to have all the thrills. here's some for us. this is the president putting forward ferguson, missouri is what was a foreign policy speech and certainly venue and diverting the attention from global terrorism to instead focus on those nations, all of those nations on the shooting of michael brown. >> the world also took notice of the small american city of ferguson, missouri where a young man was killed and a community

was divided. so, yes, we have our own racial and ethnic tensions. and like every country, we continually wrestle with how to reconcile the vast changes brought by globalization and greater diversity with the traditions that we hold dear. >> don't ask me because i don't know what he was thinking of? that shooting is a case that's far from subtle. it has three ongoing investigations into what actually happened, the facts if you will. one by a grand jury, two by the justice department. perhaps president obama was really trying to be self effacing, acknowledging our faults and flaws as a nation. but you would think true humiliy would be more very, that he will have been move to talk about his personal flaws, failures and weaknesses as a leader. why wouldn't i truly humble, mr. obama.

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attorney general's departure and your thoughts on the accomplishments during his service. >> well, as a member of the judiciary committee, we have jurisdiction over the department of justice and have been interacting with the department of justice six years now with the attorney generalship of mr. holder. we have been trying to hold him accountable. and if there's one agency in this administration or in any administration, there's one agency that ought to be above politics and be totally nonpartisan, it's the department justice. it should be equal justice under the law. this administration has made it as partisan as any other department and that's regrettable. the president force him not to force laws, try to make laws. that's not what the department of justice is supposed to do. so i have been very disappointed in the attorney general and we hope for a better successor. . a better successor.

congressman, he's gotten away with every single thing you have charged him with. in fact, there's not a resolution of a single scandal or controversy in which this white house is embroiled. despite contempt, criminal and civil. what is the lesson for those who are corrupt and who are perfectly willing without conscience to abuse power. >> "fast & furious". the administration sold weapons and drugs to gun runners. a court has just ruled in our favor. this might be one of the reasons the attorney general is leaving. in a few weeks they will get the real facts about "fast & furious". maybe that is implicating the attorney general. we don't know for sure or not. sometimes we have to go through the courts. sometimes we have to conduct

overnight hearings in congress. we have to get the facts on "fast & furious" and the irs scandal. and that was a a real scandal that went to the heart of our government. it was a threat to our democracy. and yet this attorney general refused to investigate that scandal. when we get the next nominee, we are going to have a lot of senators interesting in the next nominee as to what he or she might do. that will give us another opportunity to revisit some of those subjects. >> turning to the homeland security committee upon which you have said, the khorasan group, we never heard the president until this week even mentioned name of the group. yet it was one of the primaryta the u.s. coalition. how imminent a threat, if it's imminent at all, against the united states? >> well, we have a number of

groups out there. you just mentioned one. of course we had the islamic state. who knows which is worse. neither group responds to reason. they are willing to kill incident citizens of any country. they have yet to explain what their goals are, how to accomplish the goals, whether the goal is to defeat the islamic state and how they are going to do it and when we do do it, how long it will take and when are the troops coming back home. that's why he must come as rider by law to get authority to conduct them against individuals in foreign countries. the president says he doesn't need to. it's a clear reputation of the law. he doesn't need to come to. we need to know what the answers are to a lot of our questions. so i'm looking forward to the president changing his mind and coming to congress, as for authority so we can have the public debate. >> of course it would also be

helpful if the speaker of the house change his mind because he has been supportive strikes and the authority has been given to arm the so-called moderate rebels, undefined but nod rat rebels in syria. >> yeah. first of all, if the president has done what he was asked to and arm them we may not have found ourselves in the mess we are the. so the president is too little too late as we stand here today. i believe our house leaders are willing to have that debate. many of us are happy to go back tomorrow if that's what it takes to have this debate. but the president needs to respond. he needs to consult with congress and respond to the american people and answer questions about what is he going to do, how long ill it take, when do we get our troops home. >> congressman, we are out of time. but i have to say. would it not be of service to the american people to have these debates before it take action? would it not be helpful and a

service to the american people if our elected officials in congress, the senate and of course the white house would debate before an election? and present themselves as accountable to the american people on election day. >> yeah. that would be the exact honest way to it. i think the american people would be much better served by some direct answers to some of your questions from the president before the election, not after the election. >> and the republicans, do you think the house will respect for a vote? >> i don't know if -- >> i'm sorry. congressman, always good to talk to you. >> thanks. targeting the money. the united states and the coalition attacks on the islamic state's oil refineries. we're joined by the former we're joined by the former chairman of the joint chiefs of [ male announcer ] automotive innovation starts...

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. the latest coalition air strikes in syria targeting the islamic state, refineries all hit in eastern syria. this latest wave of attacks carried out by 16 fighter jets, six u.s. planes, 10 planes from saudi arabia and the united arab emirates dropping 41 precision-guided bombs. joining us is general richard myers from the u. s. air force, former chair of the joint chiefs of staff. good to have you pack with us. >> hello. >> as we watch these aircraft carry out these strikes now, what do you think -- what do you make of the efficacy and what we should expect in the way of real impact on the enemy? >> i think it would take some time to see that impact. clearly, we're going after the

financial wherewithal isis has. they have been making a lot of money off oil both in iraq and there in syria. so i think it is really good targeting in my view and a chance to start to diminish the means by which they waged this very cruel terror. >> and the targets to this point have been vehicles, they have been quote, unquote, installations or buildings as it is described by those giving you some rough damage assessment. when we talk about storage facilities. when we talk about quote, unquote vehicles, you say it takes time to have true impact. we have had some experience with long, long war. how is it that our general staff, our fine ranked officers would be engaging at the margin rather than going after the enemy to, as the president himself put it, to actually

degrade and destroy the islamic state? >> well, first of all, i said it would take some time, i was referring to the financial impact. clearly isis has this kind of bank account. so it will take some time. but we have to remember we're not fighting a nation state. although isis claims this their momentings of dilutional grandeur they have dreams of this state. you mentioned buildings and some other equipment. so those are easy to go after. like other terrorist organizations, they can be a terrorist by night, shop keeper by day. so it's not like world war ii where you can destroy their means to make war. it is to get people to commit gee that and expect them to be ruthless and willing to give their lives for the cause. it's a much different target set.

like we said after 9/11, this requires pairs on the part of the american people and the will and resolve to see it through. we see with isis spring issing up, another mutation of this extremism, this terrorism, they have the will and resolve. they will keep this up. we can pound isis into the ground. there will be another mutation or some other group to stand up and try to hurt america, our european allies and those in the middle east. >> so what you are saying in combat is perpetuity could be our lot? >> i think multiracial jengenerl where a lot of men and women don't want to join jihad where it is a manageable threat. they have this group in northern syria as well that was plotting against targets in europe and the united states. we know how that turns out.

we have read that book. that was afghanistan. that was 9/11. >> another book that is now open and that is russian bomber aircraft, long-range bombers now penetrating airspace that we are now defending with our scrambled jet fighters. i mean, this is reminiscent. talk about multigeneral racial. this takes us back to at least 1980s on the part of the russians. they are behaving like the old soviet union. what do you make of it? >> in the cold war they have done this from time to time. what i make of it is they have had renewed emphasis on their military. they have funded their military where they have the petrol to fly the aircraft, which a at one point they were e in dire

straits. they are reminding nato and the united states that militarily significant country. and they want the respect of a world power. so i think that's what it's all about. i can't imagine any of these flights would ever wind up being a conflict of any sort. it's hard to imagine that. it would be crazy. >> president obama then misspoke when he referred to russia then as a regional power? >> well, i think -- i think that would certainly tear tate the russians, who ever since the fall of the berlin wall and the cold war felt they have not continued to get the respect they feel is their due. so i think you see some of this acting out is trying to build this respect as former secretary of defense said russia sees itself as the rodney dangerfield

of the world. they just don't get any respect. so i think part of this is around that issue. >> well, with all the war hez and the military might perhaps they will do something more than regard as a regional power. >> i think so. >> go ahead. >> i was just going to say the nuclear arsenal is second to none. they have great infrastructure to keep up. and that should command our respect. >> the homeland security department admit tens of thousands illegal immigrant families in mexico this year chose not to show up at their immigration hearing. about 70% of those young families that the obama administration released didn't show up. that's about 41,000 illegal

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joining us is congressman matt salmon, a member of the house foreign affairs committee. congressman, good to have you with us. >> great to be here, lou, thank you. >> i want to turn first to the president's speech today. if indeed his purpose was to recruit members for this quote, unquote broad-based coalition. do you think he was successful? >> he sure didn't the sound like newt rock any to me. if you're going to try to build a coalition you have to show

strong leadership. he spent more time apologizing for america defending islam than he did why we knee to defend isis or isil whatever the term of the day is. >> he apologized for the failed peace process. a strange choice to make before the germ assembly, unless his purpose i think was to outright pander to the anti-israeli pro-palestinian general assembly. >> this president has tried to wage a campaign of public relations stay of a real war. he's not acting like commander in chief. and what's interesting is this group, the free syrian army that he pinned all his hopes on now. he said there was a fantasy they could lead forces against isis. what's happened in the last five weeks to make them so stellar? that's the question i asked john

kerry when he testified our committee a few days ago and he didn't have a good answer. >> you know, this president's actions have been framed. and he noted for ambiguity, equivocation, the most opaque approach to foreign policy. and this is hardly the stuff of which wars are won. how concerned are you that this president is well advised and driving forward with an intelligence strategy? >> i think that he is well advised. and if he has listened to his military advisers, that would be a nice switch. when general dempsey came out a week ago and said that there will be ground troops, he was pulled in and cavity gated by the obama administration and then changed his tune. a commander in chief should say we will do whatever it takes. all options on the table to completely destroy isis and destroy their ability to ever do evil again. and that is going to be prosecuted by our military

leaders. and i stand strongly with them. if he was that kind of a leader and he came to congress and he said that stay of all the things he's not willing to, then i think we find broad support in congress and for complete authorization of force, which i believe he needs to. >> this may seem a strange question now that we are in the fight against islamic state targets in syria. but do you believe the president should go to congress and seek authorization for the use of military force in syria? your thoughts on that. authorization use of military force. >> it is like using the same declaration of war for world war i for germany as world war ii. it is a constitutional requirement. if we're not at war, we

shouldn't be there. if wor at war, we should go in and win and do whatever it takes to win. when he said there are no boots on the ground, i take kwrbg with that. there are 1,500 boots on the ground. it demeans them. i think we have put them in greater jeopardy because he said what he is not willing to do. and he has given this fledgling outfit, the full authority to prosecute the ground game given the fact that they have never, ever been able to prove that they actually want to dismantle isis. their top objective is to dismantle assad, the head of soryri syria, not isis. just as he wants to grant amnesty that he promised to do by the end of summer but realizes he doesn't want to cost his senators election, he is doing the same thing with the war. we all know there will be troops on the ground after november.

i just think the president needs to come clean with the american people. he needs to come to congress for an authorization of force and then proceed from there and let the military commanders run this campaign and not trying to politically micromanage it in a politically correct i'm sorry to be an american president sort of type of way. >> do you think the president was being more than hypocritical as he was saying to the gathered nations that america is great because we hole our leaders accountable when he has decided not to be held accountable on the issue of amnesty for illegal immigrants. >> right and his policies that are likely to ensue as colonel ralph peters said at the beginning of this show, the policies on israel. >> you know, the president time and time again as played politics with very important issues. remember back to when he was running against mitt romney and he said to the russian officials, hey, wait until the election is over. i'll have a lot more

flexibility. now he is saying i will grant amnesty after november. we all know why that is. we know he is going to put ground troops. the president does everything he does the for a political nature. he does not do it for public policy, what's best for the united states. >> congressman, good to have you with us. i think -- >> thank you. >> i think when you brought up flexibility, that is the english word for crimea. . up next, the bombs keep falling in syria as a new terrorist plot is revealed. judith miller and k.f. mcfarland on the core con group and the commander in chief here next. ow...

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geo politically. joining me now, two people who never lose track of anything. joining me is k.t. macfarland and judith miller. let's turn first to the islamic state. the islamic state for a moment briefly eclipsed by the khorasan group. a group that the president's name had never mentioned until this week, most folks had never heard of. now it is amongst those imminent threats that confront us. that are the american people to think? >> well, i think they're petrified. it sounds every two weeks we have another terrorist group that is going to attack us at any minute. yet we seem to have a schizophrenic foreign policy with national leadership. al qaeda is finish, it's over. yet here we are about ready to have a third iraq war. >> is schizophrenic sufficient?

maybe it's multiple personalities. >> or politically convenient and hypocritical. especially when it comes to this group. up cannot call a group an imminent threat to the united states when you don't know where, when they are planning an attack, and against whom. that is not in one person's terps an imminent attack. but you will get america's attention, you will scare them. i agree with k.t. i really think that i just have a lot of questions about a group not of us has ever hear of until two weeks ago. >> and now we can't even go on the subways. it could be tomorrow. it could be in two weeks. >> pause the prime minister of iraq, helpful as he is, the son of a gun, decided to point out he has received threats against united states and france in the broad terms. but imminent, credible, mind you. and the u.s. and french governments won't even respond. what do you make of that. >> it is because clearly the

intelligence committee and communities have not heard the same thing. there may be a disconnect. our network has said, well, there may have been some information dropped. but there's another possibility. and that is that this is a group that they didn't know about until very recently. the intelligence community never likes to acknowledge that. >> it is sort of a strange sequence we've got at work here now. the president mentions something or dismisses something. next we're engaged in conflict. we are also looking at ukraine, which is desperate because it needs our resources, our support, our weaponry, our ordinance, our material. and this country, sitting on the frontiers of russia, is being denied all of that, judy. i mean, what in the world -- make sense of this foreign policy that denies survival to

this nation. >> well, as you know, lou, i was in the ukraine just earlier this month. and i heard president poroshenko and those around him pleaing for the wherewithal to fight the russians. they don't need our boots on the ground. they're perfectly capable of fighting. but they don't want to fight. they hope the cease-fire agreement holds. we all hope it holds. but if it doesn't, they're going to need to fight the russians. >> and poroshenko is talking about closing the border with russia. >> here's the problem with all of that. and i was hearing the same thing while i was in ukraine. they're willing to fight. they just need defensive weapons and some money to keep the economy afloat. we're not giving any of it to them. we're willing to fight. all the other allies -- >> if the worrell looks at what is happening, what europe is doing for ukraine and the support they're offering and the lack of it, even as they sign a european union trade agreement,

ukraine, and what the united states is refusing to do, what are nations to think of us? what are they to think of nato. >> what makes me even madder than all of that is president obama at yet another fund-raiser when he was asked about ukraine, he said, well, it's not in our vital national interest. with a flip of his hand he threw away 60 years of american post-war aspirations, which was to free communism from eastern europe. and people finally standing up to fight, and we're just dismissing them. >> but the president included a very strong attack on putin in a speech on isis. and i was really glad to see that. and i know that the ukrainians were as well. the question is what is going to be the follow-up. >> yeah. >> he wanting to go through full

eu citizenship. and he's also giving -- poroshenko wants to join nato. that's the red line for russia. the best way is to arm him. >> there may not be a best option here. i would like to believe this administration would stand up. i would like to believe europe would stand up. this is not your -- the world war ii era. >> no. >> this is not europe of the '70s either. and the united states, i'm not quite sure how to describe our policy because we won't support ukraine and won't stop putin. putin basically said today open up the eu trade agreement. we're going to make a few tweaks to it. if you don't like it. >> right if you don't the like last week, wait until what we're going to do next week. the united states government had better come to its senses as well as those of the european union soon. thank you very much.

>> thank you, lou. >> thank you very much, k.t. that's it for us tonight. stay tuned for caputo. he is coming up next >> tonight on war stories investigates -- >> we awoke to this war on 9/11. but the roots of this jihad runs deeper than most realize. >> we represent everything they hate. >> they can watch "american idol" at night and the next morning there is suicides going on. >> that's next on war stories investigates, jihad. t