money." hong kong still going hot, ebola, the market is all over the place. it's all on fire. there is only one man you go to, the resident fireman himself. lou dobbs, he's next, keep it right here on fox business. lou: good evening, everybody. disturbing news tonight as the number of people exposed to the first confirmed u.s. case of ebola has now risen to more than 100 people. the number now includes 8 children who attend 5 different schools in texas. texas public health officials now acknowledge that more cases of ebola could be coming, just two days after the centers for disease control director tom frieden said quote, we're stopping it in its tracks. dallas county health and human services far more realistic and forthcoming in their assessment telling fox news today quote, it's constantly evolving, how

many people will contract ebola, we don't know. the community understandably shaken and concerned, but parents with children in the same schools as those who have been exposed are outraged at the refusal of government, public health and school officials to give them more information about ebola and those who have come into contact with patient zero. >> they need to tell us what child it is. because i mean if it was in their class, i'm going to be ten times more pissed than i already am. especially if it was their class. they need to let us know. lou: we are learning tonight that the so-called patient zero, thomas eric duncan, lied to airport officials in liberia about his personal contact with ebola before boarding his plane. aride that took him from

monrovia, liberia to brussels and dulles in washington, d.c., and an over eight-hour flight in that leg alone. duncan then boarded a three-hour flight to dallas. we have no confirmation at this time regarding how long he was in the dulles airport on that layover or how many people he came into contact with between the airports, passengers, flight crews and others. united airlines reached out to nearly 400 people who did share flights with duncan and referred them to the centers for disease control. we know tonight that duncan's family has been quarantined in the home where he fell ill, and that texas health workers have yet to clean that apartment despite agency protocols that require them to do so. apparently because those agency workers are simply afraid they might contract the deadly disease. fox news correspondent casey steegel is in dallas tonight and has the latest for us,

casey? >> it is a devastating situation for everyone, everyone period. >> reporter: a shaken property manager at the dallas apartment complex where the man who brought the first case of ebola to the united states had been staying with family. texas health officials issued a public health order to four members of thomas duncan's family who live at this complex. it legally requires them to stay indoors and not have any visitors until october 19th, when the virus incubation period is over. so far, the cdc says nobody has shown any symptoms of the deadly illness. >> there could be additional cases who are already exposed, if that occurs, systems are in place so that they will not further spread ebola. >> reporter: today the texas department of state health services expanded the number of those who may have had contact with the patient to 100. that includes 8 children who attend 5 different schools around the dallas area.

officials believe thomas duncan contracted the deadly virus on september 15th, while helping carry a sick pregnant woman to a hospital in liberia who later died from ebola. four days later, he boarded a plane to dallas with lengthy layovers in brussels and dulles. earlier this month, president obama, while speaking at the cdc, discussed this very issue. >> we've been taking the necessary precautions, including working with countries in west africa to increase screening in airports so someone with the virus doesn't get on a plane for the united states. >> reporter: but it only works if passengers comply. according to a questionnaire, the associated press obtained, thomas duncan answered no when asked whether he had contact with anybody infected with ebola. and tonight liberian officials plan on prosecuting duncan for lying. as for u.s. regulations, there are reports that four years ago the obama administration

quietly scrapped quarantined regulations proposed during the bush administration to detain sick airline passengers and those exposed to certain diseases. and back out here live tonight where patient zero is treated in dallas, texas, some are beginning to question the cdc and our own airline screening regulations here at home after an er doctor in the georgia area donned a quarantine suit and claimed he was not asked the proper screening questions as he tried to make his way through the atlanta airport earlier this week to prove a point. lou? lou: casey, thank you very much, casey stegall reporting from dallas. joining us dr. mark siegel, one of the leading experts in the field of infectious diseases, member of the fox news medical a-team. dr. siegel, good have you here.

this is quite a change in the matter of days. we were told no more than 18 people were in contact. now that number has ballooned to 100. the centers for disease control, other officials, as we reported here, not giving the public a lot of information. the man's name, his photograph, none of this was put out. lot of people are worried. perhaps needlessly but nonetheless worried because the way in which our government and agencies at various levels have responded to the public's right to know. >> i agree with that statement, and something that casey just said has something bearing on this, airports are the places where people have to be screened properly. and we're not even taking temperatures at airports in the united states, only in west africa. i don't know why we're not using the infrared guns to check everybody's fever, everybody's temperature coming from west africa. lou: it's obtrusive. >> absolutely. we have to have quarantine

agents but relying on custom and border patrol people to spot people who are sick. that is a problem. the biggest problem of all, for every person that gets ebola in west africa, another two are infected. where for everyone that gets sick two others are sick, that is burgeoning under control. it is not under control in west africa. lou: and presumably it is in some form of control, if there is such an expression, sounds like being a little bit pregnant, but the fact is in texas they have this under control, they've identified people. but again, there are parents worried about their children, children have been obviously in contact with these 8 children. this is -- all of us want to have the hipaa laws and regulations apply, but juf as these people have been forcibly quarantined, new rights certainly are presented here and among those is public

safety itself. why is the medical -- why is the medical profession being so resistant to understanding that? >> well, i agree with you that public safety is key here. we don't know how many of the hundred people are at serious risk. the cdc is disease detectives and they want to take anyone and quarantine them. lou: as they should. that's what we expect. >> of course that's what they should do, even ebola is difficult to get, and i'm predicting clearly a large number of the hundred will not get it. i'm most disturbed, and i want to get this in, i'm most disturbed that this guy goes to an er, every doctor in the united states should know to ask the question, where are you just from? lou: he responded quite honestly to the fact he had just traveled from liberia. what he did not do, and has upset presumably the liberian government, should be more upsetting here. he did a very human thing.

he lied about having been in contact previously about somebody with ebola. the idea that the united states government is running an honor program on those it brings into the country and permits to travel within this country is ludicrous. the liberian government can make its own decisions, but we should be a little more sophisticated than that. >> maybe i'm a little on the paranoid side. if i flew with somebody from liberia and they weren't feeling well, i would say look, there are other diseases, malaria, it may not be ebola. ebola would be high on my mind because you certainly don't want to miss a case. and you could shut off travel as well. lou: which the united kingdom did do, in one instance at least. their airlines flying from west africa. the fact of the matter is the way in which we are conducting this. there's been a lot of absolute statements coming out of the cdc and public health

officials. one is that this has to be -- it can't be transmitted airborne. >> it cannot be. lou: would you have an ebola patient sneeze in your face, cough in your face? >> of course i would not. lou: the idea that airborne has a particular significance, the reality is in proximity of aircraft cabin, this is very dangerous to people. and shouldn't be the reflexive orthodoxy amongst the medical profession and our government to say we don't know everything about it. we don't. we don't know how long ebola will exist outside a host. the estimates are between three to five days. >> several hours. lou: several hours or 50 days according to two studies. the fact of the matter is how about this, erring on the side of caution when it comes to the lives of american citizens, and people waking up that this government, whether it's in public health or whether it is in foreign policy or military

adentures, and i won't name names has about the same track record and it's a woeful one. >> i agree they should overreact to this and consider shutting down air travel. i want to say just to allay fierce out there that there is a lot of evidence that this -- >> i'm not suggesting we should shut down air travel. i'm suggesting just as you said, screening, intelligent, effective and thorough screening. >> the chances of it spreading on a plane by casual contact is very, very unlikely. but i don't want the cdc to wave their hands and say it can spread on a plane. they're relying on a study from tuberculosis that tb spread on planes. lou: you're talking about tuberculosis in this country that spread geometrically over the past two decades, it is extraordinary, permeating our society. it's not a fatal disease as it once was and we have great antigens to put to work and it's easily cured, right?

we've got to talk honestly about the issues. >> here's the science of this. these ebola patients are not going spread to hundreds of other ebola cases, every time there's an ebola case, everyone worries around them. we shouldn't put the american public through that because it's something we can prevent. lou: absolutely. thank you so much as always, dr. marc siegel, great to have you with us. >> good to see you. lou: i hope you're right on every single count. vote in our poll tonight -- cast your vote at loudobbs.com. we'd like to hear from you. last night's poll results we asked whether you are surprised president obama expressing concern for the safety of israeli civilians, women and children from the threat of hamas rockets now? 87% said yes. hong kong's leader is rejecting demands for his resignation. demonstrators are amassing

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. lou: form defense secretary cia director leon panetta unloaded on president obama in his new book, worthy fights, excerpt in "time" magazine has panetta directly blaming president obama for the collapse in iraq. panetta wrote, quote -- also today on fox news, former president george w. bush before leaving office warned strongly against withdrawing u.s. troops from iraq. he said america has since learned the lesson that iraqis not yet capable of providing for their own security. joining us now is the president of the american islamic forum for democracy, author of the battle for the soul of islam.

also with us, danielle pletca, senior fellow at the american enterprise institute. great to have you with us. zudi, to hear leon panetta come down on the president like this is extraordinary. your thoughts. >> not unexpected, we left a vacuum in iraq and to say that while this could not have been prevented, all they needed was continued adult supervision as the military has old factions of the sunni baathists that want to see iraq fall apart, sectarianism is unroofing itself because we left them unmonitored, unchaperoned. it's not a surprise to see former administration folk, and thes speaking up and saying this is really, we were m.i.a. lou: tens of billions of dollars, though, eight years and the united states could not stand up an army of iraqis? what is the magic number?

how many tens of billions would it take? how many decades would it take? >> i can tell you being someone wo has family in syria and knowing what happens after generations of baathism and severe oppressive dictatorship, you can't just turn the lights on and have a moderate military. it's going to take a moderate education, generationses of liberalism, society building, we left troops in germany, and korea and japan, this is something that cannot get fixed in five to ten years. lou: danielle, your thoughts as we look at what is unwinding here, turkey's parliament has given the permission to join the coalition if he so chooses and to join the fight against the islamic state. that looks like firsthand of real progress in the region, what do you make of it? >> well, i'm not sure, i think

there is some reason to be hopeful. clearly it will be helpful if we get the turkish on board. clearly it will be helpful if we get the turkish to allow us to use their bases as part of this fight against isis. the other part of the problem is the turks really aren't in against all of the sunni islamist groups. they're focused on only the kurds, focused on the pkk, the only group that was actually mentioned in the parliamentary discussion, and that's part of the problem is that i'm not sure we have the same aims as the turks do in syria and iraq. lou: zuhdi, do you agree with that? >> absolutely. people should remember the akp, the ruling party in turkey are islamist, the brotherhood of turkey. they are on the side of the jihadist. remember, the secularist and the military in turkey, this is

why turkey's position is so fascinating. they were pro-assad in the 20th century for decades, they are as they see the border getting closer to isis and interplay there, they are pushing to want to do something and probably going to pull a qatar, he has jets and won't drop bombs and on the side of the qatar and islamists in syria. lou: we're watching the united states after entry against the islamic state. we're now doing iran's work, supporting, in effect, bashar al-assad, which is obviously the proxy for iran, protecting iraq which is shia run and led by from a distance teheran. what possible sense can the u.s. involvement make here, danielle? >> first of all, i don't see

your characterization of this in the same way, lou. we're not doing iran's bidding. isis represents a threat to us and the allies in the middle east and israel. iran has been the only game in town for them since we pulled out. the problem for us is assad, the problem for us is that we don't have a strategy, we still don't have an overarching mission in the region that actually will deal with the problems. if you want to talk about iran, then you values to talk about getting rid of assad. they're little puppet in syria. and we are only addressing -- lou: wait a minute, wait a minute, how is assad a little puppet sitting in damascus and baghdad is not under the influence of iran equally? >> well, i think that baghdad has been under iranian influence. i think it's a very fair question, and i think part of

the problem that we've seen is after we pulled troops out of iraq, we had a weak government, we had a vacuum as you rightly described and the iranians had an enormous amount of influence, and we gave away all of our influence. in syria, assad is a wholly owned subsidiary of the iranian government. he is their only ally in the middle east, that is why they're working so hard to prop them up. lou: very quickly. >> what we need is a third paradigm, away from the arabism and the islamism and the sunni for a division in the middle east for freedom and liberty which is possible if we had leaders with vision. >> i heard a lot of that. >> amen to that. lou: i haven't seen it manifested anywhere, who's going bring that vision? >> it needs follow through, it needs a believer before it can be done.

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. lou: coming up tonight, communist china warns of, quote, unimaginable consequences of hong kong demonstrators persist. gordon chang joins us with his perspective. president obama making it easier for illegal immigrant children from central america to cross our southern border and stay right here at home. heather mcdonald joins us next. first a few comments what i said yesterday would not be an october surprise but rather an october of more presidential denials, deflections and diversions, easy forecast because that's how the obama administration conducted itself over the past 5 1/2 years. remember back in march when russia annexed all of crimea and president obama immediately responded with a pivot to shift

the world's focus. >> russia's actions are a problem, they don't pose the number one national security threat to the united states. i continue to be much more concerned when it comes to our security with the prospect of a nuclear weapon going off in manhattan. >> of course, if that's the number one problem why isn't he concerned enough to tighten security in the airports and along our borders? mr. obama, as usual does what he does, moves on, counting on the public and the press to lose interest or lose their notes. they nearly always do. just as most will forget he told us only two weeks ago, there was low probability of ebola outbreak here. you might think the president would today be reassuring the american people that his administration is successful at handling, resolving, dealing with the threat of the islamic state and the arrival of ebola in america. but no.

our president went to northwestern university to insist to the american people he deserves credit for what he sees to be a much improved economy. >> so it is indisputable that our economy is stronger today than when i took office. by every economic measure, we are better off now than we were when i took office. lou: indisputable by every measure? well, there he goes again. the president has misspoken, and he's just plain wrong. a new fox news poll reveals the mood of the country of are you better off? finds 24% of voters saying we are, in fact, better off. 28% say worse. 47% say just about the same as 2008. indisputable, mr. president? no, here we go, here we go. the national debt, when mr. obama came into office. 10.6 trillion. today 17.8 trillion. the debt is crushing in size

and impact on our government and taxpayers alike. median household income back then was nearly $57,000. now it's down to $54,000. indisputable, mr. president? the labor participation rate back then was nearly 66%, now 63%. the home ownership rate back then 67.5%. today under 65%. the number of americans on food stamps, then 32 million. now 46 million. and the president wants to talk economy? because he doesn't have a clear strategy to destroy the islamic state and thinned off the pesky republicans at the polls? how about securing our borders or protecting americans from ebola? we're in the midst of a global health emergency and the federal government hasn't revoked the visas of some 13,000 people from west africa who have visas to visit the united states. he has not established

screening programs at our ports of entry. the president often reminds us elections have consequences. i hope voters do remember that next month when we all go to the polls. now our quotation of the evening. this from one of our founding fathers and the third president of the united states. thomas jefferson said -- . >> the day is just beginning hong kong, a deadline passes without the demands of pro democracy demonstrators met. author gordon chang joins us to tell us if we're witnessing further democratization in hong kong next.

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. lou: you're looking at live pictures from hong kong. early morning in hong kong. demonstrators preparing for what could be a demonstration against the government and the crackdown by the chinese government through hong kong law enforcement. joining us now is contributor gordon chang and the author of the book the coming collapse of china. good to see you, so far about 7:30 in the morning there. it looks like, well, like a typical early morning would when you're having a demonstration against a disappointing and more authoritarian government than you signed up for. >> this is going to be big, especially because we're heading into the weekend. and the weekend we're going to see people from hong kong join the protesters, like they did on sunday when they were tear gassed. when they were tear gassed you had elderly hong kong residents saw, this they were shocked. they turned off tv's, went to the streets and supported the students because they realize

that the government had overreacted. lou: overreacted, and we have seen, it seems since then, a measured response, even though the rhetoric from the chinese government is harsh. front page editorial, and if we could bring up this, front page editorial, on the communist -- well everything is communist there, people's daily newspaper warning it will drive hong kong into chaos. these actions themselves referring to the demonstrations and protests are a desecration of democracy and the rule of law. >> and also said that the consequences would be unimaginable if the students didn't get off the street. and got to view that in the context of monday when the global times a paper affiliated with people's daily said the people's armed police could cross into hong kong if the hong kong authorities did not establish order, and right now, we've seen the hong kong authorities not be able to control their own streets

because the students are driving the conversation. >> the conversation, it's a one sided conversation at this point because there is no apparent, apparent interest in that conversation being created by a response from this government. what happens? >> what happens? i think that essentially the government right now in hong kong is going to say to the students let's talk, but only going to talk about what the students can do to get off the streets. what we have seen is that the government has said they are not going to compromise on beijing's proposals for the election. lou: both sides are going to say they're not going to compromise, both sides are going to be adamant and insistent upon their view. i understand all. that very quickly, we learned in 1989 when force enters the conversation, the conversation ends rather quickly. >> and global narrative has been that china is reforming, just like us, what we're seeing

in the streets of hong kong proves that everything you've been saying about china is right. it is dictatorial, it is communist and red. and i think the consequences can be terrible because right now in beijing they're talking about martial law. lou: and it is to me, i take it as a hopeful sign they have not moved to this point, and they could very well, you know, move on an instant's notice, no question. but if they do, the impact on hong kong markets which is a truly amazing international city, and it is really the only city under china's governance that is truly international in every respect. >> because it's not china. lou: well, it is, two systems, one nation, all of that. but folks in taiwan right now have to be a little nervous watching what that means, two systems? >> right, xi jinping talked

about taiwan, one country two, systems, the same thing they're talking about in hong kong. hong kong was never the prize, always the bait. for people in beijing. lou: the prize being taiwan. >> the prize was taiwan. now taiwan is lost. hong kong they've lost hearts and minds as well. they may be able to crack down. those students have shown. lou: have we lost hearts and minds, our community, our president, our government has not stood up for the students in hong kong. >> today jeff bader talked to "washington post" and told the students to accept beijing's proposals. what bader doesn't understand, by doing that they legitimize beijing's control over hong kong. lou: gordon chang, good to see you. >> thanks. >> join us tomorrow morning for fox business special report, hong kong, protests for democracy.

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splendid performance on deportation. over 438,000 deportations the "new york times" reported last year. that's a record number. rising by more than 20,000 over 2012. but, but some 44% of the deportations were fast track removals, shortly after they were apprehended at the boarder and the article does neglect to mention that removal of illegal immigrants and the country's interior has fallen by more than 35% from 2009. they not only changed the methods and the methodology but there was just whole section of missing information. let glory be to the obama administration from the agilhand of the "new york times." . next guest says the deportation numbers are sleight of hand by this administration. joining me fellow contributing editor heather mcdonald. good to have you back on this

coast. >> thank you, lou. lou: are you surprised that the times in such an obvious cant in the journalism. >> they've been on the open borders beat for many years and perpetuating this idea that somehow obama has been enforcing the immigration law at such a remarkable rate. we should allow him to officially write his own laws to give amnesty to people. this is completely a lie as you pointed out, lou, because the administration thinks we should give credit to deporting or removing people right back when they catch them at the border as opposed to what? catching them at the border and saying now you can go into the rest of the country? lou: which is what they've done. one of the things that's quietly happened, it's quiet because the national media hasn't wanted to take note and report it, but that border crisis we experienced this

summer with the children from primarily honduras, guatemala, el salvador have been declared refugees, that gives them not only the ability to remain in this country. they can send for their parents, ask for parents to come in, for their family. a wonderful sleight of hand. >> i don't think they qualify for refugee status. children are not in a political. lou: they should not? >> they should not be. what matters in this is what happens on the interior of the country, and obama keeps focusing on boarder catch and release, and meanwhile inside the country, we keep handing out free lawyers for people. lou: $4 million added to the kitty. >> this year alone, just for children. new york city, of course, has its own program of illegal alien defense. so what's going on is that we keep saying come here and we'll

allow you to stay, and those messages make all the difference in people's decisions whether to cross into the country illegally. lou: the president addressing executive actions tonight, he's talk with the congressional hispanic caucus. what's he going to say? we're wide open, thanks for your patience. catch you after the election? >> more insults to the american people. he explicitly acknowledged the only reason he's not granting his amnesty, violating the constitution and doing so, he's writing a law on his own, is because it would hurt democrats in the midterm elections, but also promised in the same breath to do it after the election. lou: he's saying that the american people are so stupid that if you just wait until after the election, we won't pay attention to it. i don't know, maybe he's right. we're going to find out. >> we might. lou: if it works, we have a new standard by which to judge our collective iq here. >> we've learned that borders

matter, lou. lou: absolutely. well, even the customs and border protection releasing a statement everything is ready for ebola, and minimizing the risk to the public, they're going to include gloves and surgical masks readily available to all of our agents. that's their response. after the need for screening. >> i think we need more than screening. there's a real risk of overreacting to one case. nevertheless, one case is too many, and either the protocols worked and were applied and somebody came in, which case the protocols don't work or the protocols don't work and there's no question we can fix them. people lie, i don't see why we are necessarily allowing immigration in these countries. lou: it should be, this one would think. heather, thanks so much. up next, great news, the president gave a shoutout to fox news.

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. lou: joining us tonight, the co-host of outnumbered on the fox news channel, jedidiah bila, talk show host chris plante. start with you, jedidiah. >> yeah. lou: george w. bush on fox and friends, saying his brother wants to be president. what do you think? >> i think conservatives everywhere said no, please. i, for one. where is the new, fresh blood in the party? i don't want to see another

bush-clinton race. haven't we seen this movie before? i want new blood, conservatives who can articulate conservatism, i don't want a guy talking about common core, i want a solid conservative and see if a solid conservative can win a race with a democrat. let's have a clear race between republicans and democrats. lou: chris, you have the view we should expand political dna beyond the family trees of the clintons and the bushes? that's radical! >> a reasonable expectation in the nation of 315 million people that we can find someone outside of the clinton and bush family. jeb bush is a solid guy. lou: oh, no, look at this, chris plante. >> and if you've got a bush in the race, it cancels out. if you have hillary clinton in the race, it cancels out that bush again thing when it comes to hillary clinton. i mean honestly, i'd like to see somebody else come from a

governor's mansion in the country that we're not expecting right now. but right at this point, the more the merrier. let's get ted cruz and rand paul and everybody have a nice sloppy food fight and see what happens. >> the establishment is going to push him. if you have a rand paul and you have a ted cruz and jeb bush, john boehner is saying yeah, jeb bush, john boehner is not in touch with conservatives, john boehner would not get conservatives out this time around. they stayed home for mitt romney. you think they are coming out for jeb bush? lou: political strategist he is not. we know who is, that's mitt romney. >> yeah. lou: who expressed sadness jedidiah in not being in the white house. and there was a certain, it sounded longing tone to that. >> no, she another one. he had his shot. i know he said he's not running, there are republicans that want to talk at length why mitt romney should be the guy.

he did not connect with voters, he is a business savvy guy, he did not get people excited. i want a guy that's going to make conservatives excited, the possibility to turn this country around and drive the people to the polls. >> i think she's describing, chris, paul ryan, what do you think? >> she's not naming anyone at this point. >> i like rand paul. ted cruz. i like suzanna martinez. lou: marco rubio? >> could be great. immigration might be rough. let's see. >> it's early enough we get a lot of people in, a lot of the people have quirks and none of them are zero defect, and we're pretty hard on our candidates, and i don't want to see us set our own houses on fire, before we get this show on the road. because we really need to win this one, one way or the other. we need to win this one, i agree, we want somebody who can articulate conservative principles and at the same time, william f. buckley, the

most conservative person that can win. lou: how about this, the republican party embracing all of the values and all of the -- all of the precepts necessary to bring up the middle class and those who aspire to it, small entrepreneurs and not be run by 139 multiu.s. nationals, what do you think? >> that's a great idea. you have to have a plan, do the proper outreach. where is the obamacare alternative? keep tearing down obamacare as you should. lou: obamacare? are you kidding me? the president took a shot at fox news, guys, there's a reason you hear from fewer of them about obamacare. i don't know what he's talking about. >> don't you feel important, though? in the midst of all these crises, he is talking about fox news, talking about you, lou, you're important to him. >> fox is a terrible bee in his bonnet, bur under his saddle.

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