>> how do you eat without this. it's like a fork or knife. it's what my kids tell me. okay. cavuto on business right now. it will never happen to us until it does happen to us. guess what? ebola is happening to us. it's here. when it comes to pressing the folks who said it never would get here, it's enough to make you sick. welcome. i'll neil cavuto. talking about another crisis the government could be screwing up. the cdc missing things on ebola or playing down ebola. it's most common symptom is acting like nothing is wrong. like insisting isis as the jv

team or the justice department targeting a journalist or the disastrous health carroe rollou. the problem with minimizing crises that become big crises is folks soon think you don't have a handle on a'y crisis, which is why many aren't buying the cdc saying ebola is contained. they are the same officials that said it would never come here in the first place. well, it has. and the official response is enough to make anyone want to stick a syringe in their eye. our guests are here to break it down. ben stine is out there week. >> keep it out of arm's reach, i guess. i agree. i don't think anyone would disagree. lack of faith in government.

it's been coming for a long time. >> give me my chance. there's no way in the world to face the government. not a lot, that's for sure. >> i think one of the things people have to understand, we have to be more individual lent ourselves, more demanding as citizens. i worry when it creeps into our lives and we lose faith in our own abilities. separate the country from those running the country. the secret service can't keep a guy with a loaded gun off an elevator with the president. >> that was scary enough. people keep telli'g me to calm down. stay calm. automatically, i detault, i'm not going to stay calm. >> with the cdc, this ebola patient had contact with only a handful of people, now we are looking at 100 people. either they knew and didn't tell you or they don't have a handle on the situation. i kind of expect the cdc, i

think part of its job is to calm the public and not create hysteria. i understand that, if they go slowly. >> what if they are slow? >> that'j troubling. anytime somebody testifies in front of congress, i expect they are lying. that is my expectation. they treat us as if we don't have a right to the truth. what if the head of the secret service doesn't tell her boss, the preside't of the united states was in an elevator with him with a gun. if she's with holding information to her boss, what does that say? we are the ones paying the bills? >> i think thererj two stories here. the story of whether this administration is mostly incompetent. there's a degree of screwing up here thaá is, i mean, listen, say what you want about bush. he made major mistakes.

this is bad when a guy with a gun is in the elevator with the president and he's got a criminal record. the other part is ebola. i said it on the air. i can't remember who was arguing with me. stop flights from those countries. i know it's difficult, but we are going to bring it here. that's what we did. they said it was impossible to get. precord. they will tell you this. it's not as easy to get as the common cold. that's easy. in the gym, if your immune system is down. it's easier to get than hep c or aids z. it's a lot easier. why did the journalist get it, we don't know. was he having sex with people over there? i don't know. why were the doctors? they weren't having sex and taking precautions. this is easier to get than i believe any of these people are telling us. by the way, by not telling us how people are infected, did

they get cuts, casually run into people? >> to your point, that's a basic point to the opening segment was whether the official responses were given or warnings given, that's the crisis at hand. we know enough about ebola, we are experts. i know enough about it, it's mutated 212 times. i don't know how that stacks up against other viruses, more, maybe less. i have no idea. i know it's changed from what it originally started out at. that raises the question, does the cdc grasp whaá's going on here and is their response appropriate to what is going on here? >> neil, i'll make two points. three cheers for us. by us, i mean the news media, including you for giving the government a hard time over every mistake they make. that is what we should do. we are representing the citizens of this country. number two, governments and big

organizations make big mistakes all the tame and defend themselves. they should defend themselves. they should say hey, we are doing the best we can. when they keep screwing up, guess what? we screwed up. >> they don't do that. >> they are. but they are. >> bring us back to ebola. one thing that is interesting in following this is the official response to how you deal with the ebola related ways. not to gross people out. my point was the cdc says you can treat it medically. clean up the apartment. the department of transporáation says no, no, no. it's a different agency, ebola. you can't transport it as such. they are two official agencies speaking out of both ends of their mouth. i'm not saying anything, i'm just saying we trust them to be on the same page. they're not. >> there's another agency that says you cannot come in the

apartment without a permit. >> by the way, they knock on the door, can we come in? no. this is enough of a national emergency, we are not going to wait. >> we would have built the structure around the entire building. we are going to pump in oxygen, but you ain't leaving. listen, some of that is embedded beaurocracy and it's inherent. i think the part adam brought up that people are frustrated with is the lack of accountability and the idea that somehow you are going to tell us something we know isn't right is right? let me ask you this? i have a very important question to ask. is there a libertarian solution to this? i mean, do you like the cdc or not? do you want a cdc or not? >> just what neil is saying and a lot of people agree, it's not about libertarian, republican or conservative.

it's about honesty. >> big government is generally not honest with the people. >> two images, adam. one hand they are telling us you can't get this. you are on a plane, impossible to get. on the other hand, when people come over that are infected, their doctor is in hazmat suits. they are two contradictory images of ebola. it's not making sense. my brother is a doctor. i'm not a scientist. i talk to people. i am telling you it's easier to get than hiv and harder to get than the common cold and we don't know a lot in the middle. >> adam brings up private corporations and executives maybe not being truthful, they get fired. you know, our safety, our health as a nation are not in the hands of a private company. there's a higher standard, i think, to the people elected. >> your point is well taken.

this is happened with other administrations. here is what worries me. we are treated like, you know, give us a warm glass of milk and go to bed. the nature is don't worry about it. don't worry about it. we are the first irs developments, just a few people, turns out a few hundred dollar people. targeting of journalijts, just a few. you keep telling me to calm down, everything is all right and just deal. then i find out it's not. >> it's kevin bacon and "animal house" in the middle of the street, keep calm, all is well. >> word don't mean anything. the fcc is obsessed with outlawing the use of the word redskins. stuff like that is insane. that's a problem. when you think about it, that is the essence of a nanny state.

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it is only a matter of time before they find him. now, back to cavuto on business. call it a case of taxation taking away representation. a new report showing representa the northeast states around 40% since 1950. part of the reason, people moving out, of course. is that because taxes keep going up? of course. what do you think? >> we talk about this a lot. there's no doubt high taxes are playing p role. there's regulations. here is the irony of the big cities in the northeast. they are liberal and complaining about income and equality. they have the worst. washington, d.c., new york city, boston, california, they have the worse. what are they doing? forcing middle class people to leave and poor people to leave. it's amazing because, you know,

they created society where either you have a whole lot of the biggest reason, taxes. you cannot climb the ladder of success. >> you done, adam? >> well, neil, i accept, i will take the blame. that's fine. i also want to say, we run the risk here of confusing correlation with causation, yes. people are moving from the northeast to the south. >> go ahead. the south has lower taxes. we all know that an" agree with that. that doesn't necessarily mean this accounts for the migration. it may be a part of it. >> people are going to leave their homes. >> i can'á prove my point, but neither can you. >> rational people want to leave their homes in up state new york and move to south carolina where >> because there's good ribs.

>> because there's good ribs. they want to leave because there's no jobs in up state new york. they want to leave because cuomo wants to roll the dice on casino gambling. >> what happens when the run -- >> i believe that the population was going up in new york state. >> accidents from urban areas. >> it goes up and down. >> what do you think of that? >> as the population ages, you see a greater exodus. no income tax. better weather and access to good health care. they are the three things. that's the holy trinity. >> get to your point was well taken. go to new york city and look at. by the way, it's black and the working class people cannot afford to live in new york city. you have two groups of people. people that get subsidized housing and rich people. that's what you have. the reason why, because the cost of living here is insane for working class people.

>> you have the taxpayers, the people footing the bill. they are going to leave these liberal states. the liberals are going to get stuck here with the bill and all the obligations they agreed to. that's what's going to happen. >> one thing is working out for the democrats and the liberals. the people they push out of the homes charlie is talking about go down south and vote for the people who pushed them out. >> very interesting. that's very interesting. the democrats are going to have a chance in the south and texas. the reverse migration, the craziness of the people pushed out by the very policies are going to vote for the same people. they are going to be poor and starting over. >> north carolina and virginia have become much more democrat and one of the reasons why, one -- >> it's northern virginia, not southern virginia. >> new yorkers are going to

virginia and vote. they are a lot of people that can't get jobs. >> very republican. >> florida has become more democrat. >> i beg you to stop. when we come back, from the food police to the garbage police. you know, it's so bad they are

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>> i dare you to go through my garbage. it will make you blush. it would make larry flint blush. listen, i have a compost bin outside of my house. it is going to be critterville in seattle because they attract rodents and they are going to be moving in from the suburbs. >> what do you think? >> this is a fox news alert. you have a compost thing. >> actually, i don't. >> he was being sarcastic. >> yes. >> you know, i was thinking about going and spending a couple of days in seattle. it seems likq a horrible place to be. they search through your trash. >> what are they looking for? >> w$o knows. >> they are so hooked on this

recycling thing. >> this is probably more liberal than even san francisco, believe it or not, adam. these guys are so nuts. their goal of recycling, they are almost there. there's no other city that is close. you have to worry, when you turn a garbage man into a food police, what is next? people say it's not a big deal. it is a big deal. if you have garbagemen going through your trash -- >> you are literally looking for banana peels and apple cores. >> how are they trained? who trained them? >> $400,000 to train and educate the people of seattle on this. 400 grand. >> adam, do you find this a adam? >> it's a very sensitive topic for me because i hate composting and my wife loves composting. i don't like having garbage sit

on the counter for days on end. that said, they are trying to reduce food waste and they are trying to reduce things going to the landfill that shouldn't go to the landfill. those are good goals and you guys are trivializing people who are trying to pursue good goals. >> and it costs a super amount of money. >> can you imagine the arguments that they get into about composting? >> it smells and there's raccoons everywhere. >> don't get me started on it. and then they get elected to congress. city council ordinances. i want to thank you. up çnext, even with a rock week for stocks, there's still rocking this year. but no one, no one comes close to the way that this guy has been rocking it. charles payne. he picked twitter in may.

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