it's been that way for decades. kennedy: thank you so much for watching tonight. fox business.com/"the independents." i'm kennedy. thanks a lot and good night. >> the kurds are now asking the obama administration for heavy weapons. kurdish leader says

quote airstrikes alone are really not enough to complete the islamist state. they are besieging the city and fighter jets can't hit every fighter on the ground. president obama leadership being criticized at home by the present place of employment member -- leon, the man president obama handpicked to lead the cia when he first stepped into the white house then elevated him to the head of the defense department two years later. panetta is sharply questioning the president's ability to lead. panetta hammered the president. he said quote, president obama relies onie the logic of a law professor rather than the passion of a leader. he avoids battle, complains and misses opportunities. here is panetta talkin to usa today. >> these last two years,rs i think he kind of lost

his way. you know, it's been a mixed message. a little ambivalence it nro trying to approach theseif issues. lou: we'll be talking all this up with former chief of staff jack keane. d democrats, well they're staying away from president obama on the campaign trail. and, the president's top advisor said he made a big mistake when he said his policies are on every ballot in november. pulitzer columnist -- political director ed rollins joins us here tonight. we begin on the syrian border with turkey where kurdish fighters are defending the town against an assault by the islamic state. turkey's military is watching and waiting for orders to enter that battle. fox news correspondent is on the syria/turkey border tonight and has our report. >> the black terror flags of isis are flying t

over the town of syria. kurdish fighters they still control the town. if it does fall, that would have hugeef strategic and symbol i can -- they control an uninterrupted swath of territories. we have now been pushed back two and a half miles from the turkish military from the syrian town over there. you can see a plume of explosion there from an impact. we can see and hear all the action going onn there. you can hear it right now between the isis dispearsz the brave kurdish defenders of the town. >> two to three kurdish fighters are trying to fend off the terrorist. with ammunition running low, they're barely hanging on. as for us airstrikes, two isis positions were hit recently near can a bane in the last several days isis tanks and armed vehicles have been freely moving across the countryside. the terror group is

seizing the region despite stepped up us attacks. the people here including refugees want more done. >> it's very hard for me. i see my people are killed. >> would you like to see>> more airstrikes around this area? >> of course, we need it. we need more serious airstrikes. >> turkish tanks are poised. but the tanks are not moving into can a bane. turkey has trouble we w a rebellious urge. and it has uncertainties about the overall us led campaign against isis while the terrorists continue their bloody march near the border. lou: with us former armey vice chief of staff chamber of the institute for the study of war and fox news military analyst. general, you told us when this all began that airstrikes would not be enough. the kurds agree with

you. >> yeah, no doubt aboutou it. i mean, actually whatei we're seeing here is something that resembles a conventional attack. they're using isis that is using artillery, mortars to prepare, tanks and also ground fighters and that's by definition a conventional attack on this town. and they should be quite vulnerable frankly to airstrikes. i'm a little mystified as to why we're not ableul to attack these vulnerable targets during the day time when they're conducting their operations. i know we've made some attack on them and i'm not sure we haven't had more impact and what we're doing because these targets aree available to us. >> there were reports that the president himself is approving targets for -- for the strikes against the islamic state. do you believe that to be literally true, or is it simply just a broadld

approval that would be giving? >> i think that's a broader approval. i mean, we have not had a president get involvedd in the details ofil something like that going all the way back to the vehement war so i suspect it's a broader approval. i do know this there is a central -- that is overseeing the war and those who are doing the arab planning that the rules of engagement that govern airstrikes and target selection are too restrictive. restrictive because they're tryingo to avoid so-called collateral damage which is code word for killing innocent people. the fact of the matter there are a number of targets available that would not kill anybody, but the intended purpose of it isis, and yet they're not able to strike them and hopefully that willtr be removed eventually. when we get air ground control is there to facilitate the use of these airstrikes. that will improve it

significantly. lou: how soon should we expect those ground controllers to be there. >> the president has to p make a policy change. and as of right now, he has not accepted the military's recommendation to do that. some of it has i been done in iraq, but on a very small scale basis. this has to be significantly improved in iraq and also in syria. in syria, we can use coalition to help us here. it's not just us. we can get the uae and maybe saudis as well to assist the syrian army and the kurds. t to the best of my knowledge, i'm not certain we're pushing on that to the degree wee' should and we would have to commit ourselves to do that if we expect them to participate. lou: right on the border with turkey and syria, the turks reporting and showing just as we saw, tanks turkish tanks at the ready on that border to launch attacks, but not being ordered to do so even as the city of

kabani say they' fear of an outright massacre. e do you expect the turks to enter the battle? >> i think they would have entered it by now. particularlily so because you want to get after isis before they got into the town, in that opentarian, they would be in match for the turk's 5r78 order offers. they have air power. they could be striking these towers in the open. they've obviously made a n decision. defensivefe only. not offensive. they will defend turkey. they will defend their border regardless what was taking place on the other side of the border. you know they've had challenges with the kurds in the past. there are issues there that complicate this thing. but i've been mystifiedk with the turkish lack of -- from the outset.

lou: turning to the to leon saying this is a president who uses a law professor's logic, does not want to -- to assert himself in battle. wants to avoid battle in fact is hesitant, your thoughts. >> oh, absolutely. i mean, i certainly do not have the close relationship to be able to express it on such a personal level and characterize it probabl as well as he has. but just watching the policy dispritionz 2009o to the present, some six decisions he has made where he has every single time rejected the resource requirements that the military o or his national security team has provided to him to do the job, every single job. he has limited or restricted it every time with adverse consequence, and here we are again watching it unveil right before our eyes. he seems to be saying to

us despite, destroy and defeat isis, he seems to be saying, degrade and contain. the mission appears to have changed despite the goal on that speech he o made a number of weeks ago. lou: and leon seems to be in absolute agreement with you saying he's looking at this conflict with the islamic state as perhaps a 30 year war which would not be exactly degrade and destroy as an urgent strategy. general jack, always good to have you here.ou thank you. >> good talking to you, lou. as always. lou: president obama announced his administration will begin tightening protocol for airline passengers to detect those who enter the country who may have contracted ebola. obama: if they have the right information and they are omllowing those protocols, then this is something we're going to be able to make sure does not have, you know, the kind of

impact in the united states that a lot of people are worried about. but that requires everybody that they stay informed. we have to make sure our health workers are informed. we're also going to be working on protocols to do additional passenger screening both at the source and here in the states. lou: the president did not say when those enhanced protocols and intended screening would go into effect. even at that, it's unlikely to satisfy many critics who are calling for an outright travel ban. patient zero tonight is fighting for his life inif a dallas area hospital. liberian national thomas duncan's condition has worsened. he is now listed as critical condition. he's been issued an emergency drug. and an american

journalist who contracted ebola is back in this country and being treated at a omaha hospital.as overseas spain reports a spanish nurse contracted the ebola virus after caring for a sick priest being the first person infected with ebola outside of west africa. overall 3400 people have died from the worst w outbreak ines history in westg africa. we're coming right back. >> president obama said his policies are up for a vote. all of them on the ballot. one ofd his top advisors said he's made a big mistake. how big? michael goodwin, former reagan white house political director ed rollins next.

>> fundamentally the issue he should be driving and the democratic party shouldou be driving is forward looking because the problem is how are middle class people going to make a living and what policies can we implement that can help. lou: the only words you need to pay attention to there was mistake. here to talk about these midterm elections now 28

days away former white house director ed rollins. new york post. michael goodwin both fox news contributors. i was impressed michael,mp were you not that he said point-blank it was a mistake. >> right. it's interesting, of course. axlerod if the reports were true was essentially cut off by obama and was >> well, the gate thing, there is four or five incumbents in real trouble. to be able to wrap obama around them in these states that went for romney are real benefit for -- if not his policies his lack of leadership. hard-pressed to

know any policy he ever passed besides obamacare that's still a liability. it's really his failure as a leader that is dragging him down and his party down. lou: the idea that first lady michelle obama is up with -- in massachusetts they're running for the senate. >> governor. lou: governor after having lost the senator. she's dead even with the republican for crying out loud. there's the lady putting herself on the line. >> whenever we hear polls like that, it begins to suggest that this could be a real republican wave. lou: i'm talking about massachusetts. massachusetts. >> even for the governor's raceon. this is the kind of thing that suggests therere is the discontent with the president. is wide and deep. blue new york where president obama's approval rating was 39 percent.

in new york. lou: incredible. >> even in this time of very serious international conflict, when you have the former secretary leon panetta come forth, a guy respected by both sides and say that he says a real failure of leadership and it's, in essence, what he was saying, and i think to a certain extent that's f the issue thatai people have with this country. if you think americanste want to vote for a democratic senate to give him the ability to do whatever he wants, i don't thin pk that's going to happen. lou: you had robert gates, hillary clinton who wrote about some of thewh same issues in her book, secretary of state. s you got really a center of power in the obama administration leaving and criticizing the president. i can't remember any time in recent history where you've had that kind of subjective criticism along the same line of his failure to

lead. of his failure to act. n netta went on to say, he gets discouraged and he kind of quits. these are damning indictments from the people who know him best. >> jack said it best on the interview you just did. there were six major decisions that were put forward, and he rejected every one of them. lou: it is stunning the degreeec to which this president has rejected the advice of his generals, one understands his position of not wanting to be in war to withdraw from iraq, afghanistan, but to do so without -- forced security. without being able to protect the people who have there to be able to protect the investment l of lives that we have spent over the course of the past decade in both countries is, to me, inapplicable. let's go back to the election in kentucky. senator mcconnell slipping in the recent

polls. should he be nervous.e >> he has to take -- there's probably goingil to be $100 million spent. i think in the end, he'll win by a couple points. lou: vice president biden, michael, it was a two apology weekend for vice president biden the united arab emirates. i mean, the turkish president basically accusing him of being complicit on the wrong side of terror and creating the problems we're now trying to clean up. >> it is extraordinary, every time he opens hisb mouth he says something dumb or wrong or stupid. the 116,000 killed --wo 161 were killed to him it was 161,000. he read the speech, though, it made perfect sense to him. is he even thinking what he says. lou: do you remember when

everyone talked about him the 2008 election these two were an inexperienced young college law professor and a bumbling about a phenomenon. everybody thought it was kind of cute. i don't think anybody is laughing anymore. >> and i think biden competed any low expectation anyone had for him. lou: ed rollins and michael goodwin. always good to see you. time for a quick look at our online poll results. we asked if you're surprised that a president who believes in dependence refuses to relieve the issues on ebola. 72 percent said you aren't preponderate question is do you believe the united s states should do intensive screening of all passengers flying from the ebola stricken nations. cast your vote. up next the supreme court, well, picking up

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lou: coming up here tonight new signs pointing to cooperation between the iranians and the obama administration, former ambassador christopher hill will join us to access. and former defense secretary leon unloading on the presidentins us. the supreme court has cleared the way for five new states to begin recognizing five same-sex marriages. the justices turpitude down appeal requests seeking to prohibit same-sex marriage. virginia began issuing same sex certificates this afternoon. we turn to shannon for our story. >> day one of the supreme court's new remember it and the impact of a new decision is republicanneling across the country by declining to take up any of the seven cases the court stayed out of the debate for now.

which means lower court decisions striked down same sex bans goes in he came. i'm surprised about this and disappointed. i believe the people have this hearing taking place at the supreme court level to determine what is a significant issue of our time. >> in a number of states including virginia, officials immediately began issuing licenses and conducting weddings. >> this is the outcome. this is the outbelieve that we have hoped for. it is the outcome we have fought for and it is the outcome that the constitution requires. (?) >> the plablght impact of today's decision will likely bring the total number of states that allow same-sex marriage to 30 along with the district of columbia. but by the justices staying out, the country remains divided. between states where same sex can marry and states are the other are

the law. there is still the possibility that couples in hold out states will not be able to marry if they are in relationship with -- with a person of the same sex. >> supporters of traditional marriage say they're discouraged, but not diswaited by today's decision. they're keeping an eye out from a ruling from the sixth circuit. if the court up holds that rule, it will create a split giving the supreme court a real incentive to get involved in the debate. >> we cannot allow a republican to function in a way in which our founders never. that's completely unacceptable both marriage is at stake and the future of what kind of government we are. >> that ruling from the sixth circuit could literally come at any time. you can bet it will be on a fast track to the supreme court. meaning the issue could

easily wind up on the court's calendar this term. lou: the president's refusal to enforce immigration laws is now contributing to what has become a new demographic shift in america. a new study finds a record nearly 62 million people in the country now speak a foreign language at at home that's an increase of nearly 2 million since 2010. the languages with the largest increase. spanish. 1.4 million new speakers since 2010 followed by chinese and arabic. a separate study african immigrants have roughly doubled each decade for the past 40 years. from about 80,000 to 1.6 million in 2012. the metropolitan areas with the largest african born populations, new york, followed by washington, atlanta and los angeles, we are coming right back. stay with us.

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that's three decades. we have heard from military decades and experts of the middle east since the president committed to the air campaign against isis that this was going to take many, many years, that the average insurgenciy lasts a decade and something like this is going to go on for some time. longer than the administration initially estimated. so i think americans know that countering islamist threats around the world is something that is going to be an ongoing challenge. but when you say something like 30 years, that sounds very disheartening. lou: at the very best, sobering. dana, your reaction. >> i just wish that we would have put a little bit more effort in prevention. especially when we consider that the president wasn't taking the advice of many of his generals, a lot of individuals within the pentagon in keeping a

residual force there in iraq. of course, that all created the vacuum that we now isis or the islamic state enjoying. they were able to spring up because of that. a number of things. it's so easy to act in a proactive preinventivive manner to keep it from becoming what it is becoming now. when i look at 30 years, i have little boys. in 30 years, they're eligible for the draft if we ever have that reinstated. i have a a very brand-new way of looking at this and i'm concerned. lou: and at the same time, the national leadership. vice president biden, it was a double apology weekend for him. apologizing to the emirates and turkey for his statements. what the in the world is going on with this administration? the wheels look like they're off.

panetta accusing the president of being diffident. >> i do think vice president's -- are not new. he often tells the truth and it's stuff he's not allowed to say as the vice president. they're very frustrated in the administration about many of our allies have funded jihadist groups around syria and iraq and other neighboring countries for years now. and that, you know, in particular turkey has been a passer and a conned uit enabling isis for some time. that is a source of frustration. what panetta is talking about is very damning because he's saying the president gives up. complains. and actually the things that he listens which dana just mentioned, prevention that he didn't come to -- he

didn't negotiate in iraq. he ruled out ground troops in this current operation. he drew a red line about chemical weapons in syria, and he backed up on that. all these things are an incredible criticism of the president's policies. panetta is saying, it's a bit too late. >> you know, with joe biden in terms of offending turkey and saudi arabia, is it really all that different than what the president behind the at when late last month he was speaking about how certain of our allies need to stop enabling certain faxes. when i consider what joe biden said he's sort of criticizing what the administration has done in terms of come batting ga daffy. we completely did a 180 with regards to how we were going to handle

assad. so it's confusing. this happening simultaneously while leon panetta who i don't think anyone can say he lacks credibility. he had two of the most influential positions. i don't think anybody is able to brush off that criticism. plus joe biden and all of this, it doesn't do anything to lift those poll numbers of americans saying they have no faith in the administration and the government to protect them (?) lou: of course, the white house said he was not legitimate as a critic of the administration. you know, josh earnest replying to a question asking if he was a legitimate critic and, of course, he said absolutely not. let's turn to one thing that perhaps will lighten hearts here. we got about 30 seconds. ab, edwin edwards he is the man for the democratic party and louisiana going after

that congressional seat. what do you make of his kd? >> well i think he's running as a character. and i think that he will get a lot of local support because he's a long-standing character in that state. he's very beloved. that's probably the extent of it. i don't know if he's going to win over young people who have never heard of him, but i think he deserves credit for trying. i heard a wonderful interview with him recently about how he thought this was the right -- he had one more calling and this is what he had to do. lou: and '87-year-old sixth longest serving governor. dana, you get the last word on this. >> god bless america, lou. you know god bless america. this is why i like politics. you never know exactly what you'll get with it. lou: thanks a lot. amen is all we can say

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obama: not particular no. >> now, mr. president much has been made about the coalition you've assembled, but it sounds like america is bearing the brunt of this campaign. >> steve, that's how we roll, we roll slow and deliberately. almost like we have no idea where we're rolling to. lou: it's far too early for a celebration, but the time seems right for at least a modest hope for a lot of change. a slight g.o.p. grin would be in order. up next, you've seen international turmoil from the break up of yeugz to the war in iraq. all first hand. former ambassador christopher hill on a world in crisis. his new book outpost published tomorrow. published tomorrow. stay with when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology.

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lou: our next guest chronicles more than three decades is a diplomat for the united states in his new book. serving in high profile rolls in iraq, north korea, and kosovo among others joining us is christopher hill. dean of the university joseph kesh i will school of international studies. his new book is entitled outpost. life on the front lines. available tomorrow in bookstores near you or at your fingertips online. good to have you with you us. and congratulations on the book. it's terrific. we wish you all the best with it. i've got to ask you as you watch what is happening right now in the middle east, do you see any seeds the time that you were there, in the early years of the -- of the obama administration 2009 and '10 that would have

implied what we're witnessing today. >> oh, i think so. it a tough part of the region, but if you start with the premise, there are good guys and bad guys. you might be in some trouble. i think you have to be very careful who is a good guy there. so certainly that was clear. and i think it was clear that the administration really wanted to follow up on the president's campaign promise to get our troops out and end the war. and as it's been pretty clear, it's not so easy to end the war there. lou: not so easy to the end the war there. and as you say, the difficulty of choosing good and bad guys there is almost at the same level of listening to presidents rationalize the results of their foreign policies when it comes to the middle east whether that president be president obama or whether that president be george w. bush. we are back on another conflict with a terrorist organization. when in fact we haven't

resolved or won the conflict with any other group, whether in afghanistan, whether it is in iraq, this superpower of ours seems stalemated and frustrated at every turn. why is that? >> it's very tough. basically, when we went into iraq, we took a country that was run by the sunnies. alb it saddam hussein and flipped it to be shia run and that was the for the first time in several centuries. and history was not just what happened last tuesday. in that part of the world, we're talking about thousands of years. so the sunnies have never accepted shia rules. we ended up with a tough guy named ma lackey, we've been dealing with a very, very difficult situation. when we've been trying to get other allies, they've been much more worried about the shia

then they have about radical shias like isis. lou: ideas the united states appear like fools because that history as you say that goes back hundreds and hundreds of years is not unfamiliar (?) to our ambassadors, our diplomats, our security team, many americans and certainly much of the world. so why is it that we resist knowledge and comprehension when it comes to foreign policy whether republican or democrat? >> well, to some extent it goes way into our dna, and we're a people who basically have an optimistic approach to everything, and that every problem surely has a solution. but some of these problems don't have any ready made solutions. and frankly, if it does have a solution, are we the ones to bring it to them. this is a tough issue and the world looks to america to lead. even though it's not at

all clear where we can lead this place to. lou: and yet we keep trying to intervene if not lead. we keep trying to dispose if not point of fact resolve. and i don't remember a great deal of contrition on the part of diplomats, national security savants, full f you will, our military class, and i'm talking about our flagstaff officers about what has been achieved. >> that is noticeably absent, the notion of contrition. part of it has to do when you're a diplomat you try to look forward and look at the problem to see if you can make it better. i mean, we're not lawyers. lou: god bless you for that. >> we're not looking backgrounds to see who caused this mess. we look forward.

and (?) and i think in that process maybe sometimes you don't look at the problems you created in the first place, and i think a much more american look at what has gone on in this part of the world. and it's not just in iraq. and if you live in iraq, and i try to make this clear in the book, you realize it was a good day when saddam had left the scene. it would have been a better day when we understood what we were dealing with sunni and shia and that has taken a long time to figure out. lou: are you being surprised by the criticism that is being lodged at this president. secretary of state hillary clinton obviously unkind words. these were people who were closest to him and foreign policy and carrying it out. your thoughts? >> well, i must say, i've worked for a lot of different presidents, and you try to give them your best job and also

your loyalty, i am a little surprised when people criticize him as if they had some bleacher seat to the action. i mean, they were right there in the middle of the action, and it is a little surprising when they go after someone, a president, because they were right there in the first place. lou: they may not have been in charge, they had their hands certainly on the levers. thanks for being with us. the book is outpost. we recommend it to you highly. available online in bookstores tomorrow. ambassador, thanks for being with us. >> thank you. pleasure. lou: time for your comments. ebola remind that you say the border should always be secure. obama and holder's refusal to enforce border law makes them accomplices. the iranian talk seemed like a total sham at this point. perry in california emailed as a veteran

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