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obama when even jimmy carter is blasting him. the litigation to say that president obama could be blowing it on isis. he commends him for cracked down, but these aerial assaults too little too late. leon panetta slammed his policy. the democrats running for office don't want to be seen with this president. that isn't exactly new. what is is the reputation of these events and how they stack up so close together. (?) we seely says we are on behind the curve on isis, but he's not ready to throw the president under the bus. to prove his point, the general and i were speaking during the break. he wants to help out the command in chief. this president is having a tough time, general.

>> this is a tough time for the country. i think it's one of these times where the country is sort of caught. we got through major crises. we got china pushing in arab. you got putin pushing in ukraine and playing chess against us in the middle east, and you've got isis and the middle east. and you've got a time when america, well, we sort of recovered from the financial crisis, but not really for 99 percent of americans, they're not doing better. so the c sector, the consumer sector of the economy is not pushing us into economic growth. it's all part of the executive leadership and the congressional leadership. neil: is he not leading right? >> i live in arkansas and i'm traveling all over this country, americans are just mad at the whole system. they can't understand why our congress -- neil: what is he doing wrong? you heard what leon panetta said you heard

what jimmy carter said. >> what our president has to do is to convey to the american people an overall strategy to take america forward. it's not about isis. it's not about the hong kong demonstrators in hong kong. it's not about whether to give him some arms so his country can defend himself. it's a lot bigger than that. neil: you're a great expert. you're a great patriot. i think the president is checked out. he's disengaged. he never wanted to be in the middle east in the first place. he was against the war from the beginning. he doesn't want to do anything to get reengaged or retranched in something he thinks is a mistake. he's had it. all these foreign policies, he's just not in it. he's checked out. >> he's the only president we got and the only one we'll have for the next two years. we got to get the country moving.

neil: do you think he's disengaged? >> he's not disengaged today. general martin dempsey was received today and chuck hagel and he's obviously engaged. president's don't go to the pentagon that often. neil: they should in this time. >> they need a broader picture. you can't win this struggle against china or against isis with military power alone. those people who is, you know, air power is not enough, they're right, you got to have boots on the ground. neil: he's saying no american boots on the ground. >> that's fine. neil: but the boots on the ground don't seem up to the task. >> even if you put the boots on the ground, you have to have a way to govern the territory after you've got the boots there. we've got to take that syrian opposition. neil: i think you're a gentleman, a patriot, you don't want to bash the president. you don't want to be a

turncoat. you don't want to be like leon, obviously a great man. so you're not going to bad mouth him. i admire that. >> don't get on leon. he's a great public officer. he can say what he believes. i probably wouldn't do it that way. neil: no you wouldn't. what does it say that a lot of people are saying it, the very trust and loyalty instilled when they're all pissing on him. >> people see the big picture and they want to help. and the only way they can help is by saying something. and i think -- neil: you're a good man, general. >> i think the president will get moving. the president will shake up the white house. neil: it's like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. >> the united states of america is not the titanic. this country has another full century of

leadership and we've got to take it forward. neil: on the right and left, thieves to given up on him. the president could be storming back. now, let's talk about this. you see what's wrong with america. you see the leadership crisis we have or how the united states is looked upon in the world. how would you bring that back? how would you bring our greatness back? >> you got to focus what can move forward in the economy. pick a sector where the winds are in the sails. warrant buffet has been a great investor. and in this economy -- neil: you think he's right on hillary? >> god you're tough aren't you. in this economy, what we've got to do is find something that works. you know what's working for us right now is hydrocarbons. oil and gas. we've got to maximize -- neil: he's not doing it. >> we got to get those

federal lands. neil: he's not doing it. >> well, you asked me what i would do. so that's what i would do. neil: energy scpips security and we wouldn't be beholden -- >> can you manual anything as foolish as a nation like america spending $1,000 per year to import oil when we can produce it here. neil: i think you're way ahead. you make a very compelling case. you could make a lot of i told you so ads. do you want to run again? >> absolutely not. neil: why not? >> you can't do it in politics. we got to pull this country together. i, you, and a lot of people see the problem. america hates this divisive policy. neil: you know the bad people in the world. you know the good people in the world.

what's wrong with that? >> i've been in politics. i've been in business. i see kind of what -- i'm old enough. i've seen as much as anyone else. that's why i wrote the book. to help people find a way forward. neil: is he the worst president you've ever seen? >> everybody president has had mistakes. i voted for ronald reagan. he pulled the country together way vision. when he said morning in america, it meant something. especially to me when i was lieutenant in the army, we suffered some cutbacks, and, you know, it's time -- this guy could be reagan. neil: no. >> any american president can be -- neil: no, no. it's not in his make up. it doesn't mean it's bad. >> it's not just about the president. it's about the country. neil: so the country said to you, leslie clark, we need you.

we think you're ahead of the curve. you see these things. are you still saying no? >> neil, come on. you're mischief making here. i want to talk about the substance here. in the foreseeable future, i have no intention in getting involved in elective politics. neil: in the foreseeable future? >> and i'll take it forever. that's not where it is. where it is is helping craft a vision for america that captures the center that takes these natural resources and invests in them. takes the incent of china. cyber security. (?) financial system stability. we haven't fixed the financial system since 2008. we've got a 30 year problem with terrorists. neil: when you do decide to run, come here first. announce it here. let's talk about the substance, neil not the politics.

neil: understood. you heard it here first. he might in the near future. >> i don't know. neil: what the general was warning about here. i think he hits on a lot of very, very solid points and not the least of which is appreciate the normality of the task before us especially when it comes to isis. (?) what do you think? >> i'm disappointed i ducked your question on fill more. neil: he's a gentleman. >> he's a glo mat. he's right in the top line, 30-foot view of sort of the angst, the malaise we're facing because of the variety of crisis that are going around the world. the reality we have to deal with them individually. it's great to talk about let's pull this country around. let have another one of those morning in america countries. we're about to watch the slaughter of a lot of

kurds if someone doesn't step up to the plate. neil: wouldn't that have to be turkey? >> someone is going to have to blink. we're going to get in there and be late in the game. it would have been lovely to see our allies, particularly turkey, a nato alley. neil: what does that say? they're not going to do anything on the ground. the other countries are certainly in the mideast. they're not or they don't seem to be. what's going to happen with us? >> it's going to turn into a go row. a lot of people are going to die. i hate to sound this way. a lot of people will die. the air power we're using right now. unfortunately there's a bit of a lack of coordination between our ground game and the airstrikes. there's obviously a lot of boots on the ground. we're not even in the stalemate situation. if nothing else changes, if we stay with the

status quo, we're going to watch isis take more territory. kill more people. they're going to consolidate that territory, and at some point when we do have to confront them in a very aggressive way, it's going to cost us more than if we got in there at this stage. we're late. but good god, somebody has to get in there and do something. i know we'd love for our allies to do it. but they're happy to stand by. look at the head of turkey, how bizarre that he's complaining, kobani and a lot of kurds could suffer. you think? clearly he's not going to do anything. neil: that guy, you wouldn't trust him as far as you could throw him. by the way, you have fill more relatives calling you on line one. you might want to pick up the phone. you've seen all the controversy since the death of thomas eric duncan now the ebola terror fears are more

than alive and well. they're accelerating after this.

neil: time to get word because five us airports are going to start screenings after the first us patient thomas duncan passes away. investors fear that ebola could spread. if it does, get ready for a big sell off. we always see these black swan events after the fact. it is october. we are leaping on these developments. what do you think? too much so. >> i don't think so. people have great concerns about the outbreak of ebola. i saw your interview last night or the night before with the director of the cdc and he said there's essentially

nothing to see here, move along. and at the same time europe is taking extensive steps to protect their citizens. god forbid if we see an outbreak, that would be very negative for our markets. we had see a tremendous selloff in that situation. neil: sometimes the market sells off and asks questions later. the you one thing i do see the official action to this officially you don't have to be worried. officially we're on top of it. officially we're starting this airport screening process in the united states. we're officially telling you not to go wacky. the more people telling me not to go wacky and stay calm, the more i can go wacky. >> that's exactly right. we often find out -- if we were to take the real steps that we need to take to protect the american people. what i'd like to see a ban from travel from people from western

africa and a quarantine period for folks as they come back during the incubation period. that would settle -- neil: i think that's very wise words and very wise advice. you and a ton of medical experts have told me the same, but secretary kerry saying it's not going to happen and that we owe it to those in the african community not to isolate them, not to alienate them and to get help there so that it doesn't spread everywhere. what do you think of that? the administration's line seems dead set with what you said? >> i think they're dead wrong. we should protect the american people. isolating them is the exact right thing to do to protect the american people. against that sort of thing. barring that, i think it's negative for the markets. if we do see an outbreak and we learn that nurse in spain.

you don't have to go to africa to get it. you can be a health worker in a sterile environment. it a real concern. the market down the way it is over the past several days people are looking for safety. we're in a supply and demand market. they are concerned, they don't feel good. they run to safety. that's what we're seeing. my firm we specialized in protecting clients against losses and earning a reasonable return because of that position we take and that specific area we focus on, we've seen an influx of money in the last week, three times the amount of money last week alone. that's a big move. neil: thank you. all right, the market as i said had a weird kind of reaction to the confirmation that we got out of texas the first case someone in this country dying of ebola had been made official. then it jumped later on on the notion that we were taking action at

these five airports to not necessarily quarantine, but obviously better process people coming in for things like body temperature and those sorts of things. so it's weird. how long does that last? tracy, what do you think, are we doing enough? >> i think they're pricing in a lot of this. i think, look, if it becomes an epidemic. the market will look for a reason to sell. but we are still the best place in the world to invest. it says phone number much more cautious. it makes traders cheer at the end of the day. i don't think we'll fall of a cliff. i think it will be volatile and shaky. but where are you going toking? i think we're seeing the market price that people have the ebola disease -- neil: if it took a depth in

stride -- when the doctor said earlier on fox news, hey, this is the first case of someone dying here. duncan was not from the united states. the argument you come to the united states, you get well. here's the case of someone who did not. the argument was be scared. be very scared. markets aren't scared. >> the markets aren't scared right now. i've been tracking this story for you. la times too. the scientists are debating whether in close tight quarters ebola can be in the air. dr. cj peters, and also i've interviewed fellowship russell. he's a top virologist he's saying ebola is mutating. we're in the early stages. we don't know what it will look like. those are issues. i think the market has yet to wrestle with. neil: do you think our officials are on top of this.

there's a growing sense they're not. whether ebola ever evolves into something than the tragic death of this one gentleman, then you worry. right? or do you? mercedes, i'm sorry. >> oh, it's okay. well, i think when you look at it, it's absolutely worry some. i mean, first of all, when you're looking at it from the point of these ebola patients, we're so much in these first stages of what can possibly happen. if there's a widespread epidemic in first world countries that could really put downward pressure on economic activity. neil: do you see that happening? >> we are entering into an unknown territory, quite frankly. at this point we're hoping we're taking all the precautionary steps as your previous guests mentioned we're not doing the travel bans. you have people coming from west africa who are flying from munich and

other stops to get to the united states. i think it's going to be a very difficult virus to contain. in the sense we've made a decision outright we're not doing these travel bans. >> people are just being nervous, not knowing. >> the unknown. >> they're not going to travel. i'm not going to go to hotels. neil: airlines, have been hardest hit. >> you might be nervous to go out. that would hurt the economy. neil: it would take a lot for me not to eat out. >> same here. neil: when we come back is this entrapment on a whole new level. she's suing the dea for impercentnating her on facebook. you should find out why that was going on.

neil: all right. uncle sam in the identity theft business. don't laugh. a woman busted in a cocaine bust. she's suing the dea. she said they pretended to be her on facebook in order to catch her friends. you and i try that we're pretty much off the here the judge doesn't go the other way. >> you would think the government had better

things to do with its time rather than pretending to be somebody else so as to to entice her friends to buy drugs. this young woman was arrested to buy cocaine. she's totally clean. she has nothing to do with cocaine anymore. the feds who arrested her in this case created a fake web page to get her friends to come to her. her friends thought they were emailing her and she was going to get them drugs. it wasn't her. it was federal agents pretending to be her. just for emailing and asking for the drugs, they were indicted for an attempt to purchase drugs from a federal agent even though they thought they were talking to this woman who knew nothing about this. neil: isn't that called entrapment? >> for them it is for

her it's an obstruction of her face, her image. neil: didn't she have a separate facebook page. >> yes, she did her friends apparently interested in drugs, nevertheless thought they were communicating with her on her page. they were communicating with federal agents pretending to be her. she knew nothing about it. if you pretended to be me or i did the same to you, guess what the if he does would do to us, indict us. neil: just for us getting a -- >> the pretense is what matters. these federal agents broke one law in order to enforce another. neil: let's see these people that were asking for that, let's say, what culpability does she

have. >> she has none. neil: obviously she has angry friends. >> they have destroyed her friendship. they have used her image and other photographs hemp in order to enentice other people to commit a crime without her knowledge. neil: it is creepy. but what if those who were exploring these women's ties with those that were requesting drugs had good reason to believe that there are quite a few who were as he can be her out for drugs and they wanted to put a stop to that. >> who wanted to put a stop to that. neil: the dea. they wanted to stop the friends because her friends were a bigger issue. >> the dea's issue they would entrap people. we will ensnare people who have pro cliffivity

toward drugs and arrest them before they buy them (?) neil: i know you're not on this law stuff. but that's a slippery slope. >> when the government breaks the law, it becomes a law to itself. neil: i'll just privately send you that recipe. no sugar. did she just commit a big boo-boo. why was the gm ceo said the ignition pads means gm could be paying a bundle.

saycoming up tonight on the independents we'll win this enemy of freedom. we'll see you tonight right here on fox business. neil: all right now, it might be a little easier for gm to tell us how many calls it hasn't recalled. they grilled ceo mary barra about the exclusive details and a lot of them. >> can you say for

investors and consumer audience that your door will always be open to the family members of those they have lost? >> we want to do the right thing. all along i've said those that may have been impacted by this we want to reach every single one of them just like we're working hard to get every single vehicle that has been recalled fixed. neil: behind her is the one vehicle that hadn't been recalled. i'm kidding. general motors has been getting many claims so far what lawyers are saying it's actually 150,000 claims of that ignition issue. there have other issues since. liz, that's a lot of reaching out and a lot of hand holding and reassuring. >> the company narrative, generous motors. not just general motors. ken is overseeing the

general motors payouts to the victims in this deadly crashes. watched what we did in the bp oil spill. he fought these individuals case by case. that's the same tactic murk did with the vioxx problem, in other words, fight them individually. neil: he's trying to say, please only submit those that have to do with the ignition switch. if you got drunk behind the wheel, that doesn't have to do with it. >> so what i'm saying is people really wanted to go into class-action court and get more money out of gm. ken will fight them individually. it will sound like gm is paying a lot to these victims. i've studied his tactics in the bp oil spill. neil: are they going to fight you tooth and nail on that?

>> you don't win either way with this. there's too much and there's going to be more probably that come up. this will be hard for gm to keep their hands around. neil: ken feinberg has complete purview here. do you think he really does? >> if he doesn't, it's frightening. he's not doing what's right for the families. >> the problem when you have a class-actions lawsuit, what comes with it is the press behind it. there's so much that comes behind this class-action lawsuit because then it becomes hundreds, thousands of people going against this one company. and then to a certain extent, gm has a real problem. we're talking it's the 76th recall in 2014. i call it gm paranoia. they are paranoid that they are going to be getting these this class-action lawsuit and getting attacked and having the company go

bankrupt. neil: i talk more people that won't rent gm vehicles that won't buy gm vehicles. and that's something you can't quantify, but you know it's an issue. >> it's their brand representation. 20 million cars is more than triple the cars gm produced last year. that's a lot of cars being recalled. where's the end of it? where is is the light at the end at the at the end of the tunnel? >> they're being overcautious. we haven't seen it in the numbers. the numbers have not been bad yet. neil: no we've not. in the meantime, is the irs still targeting people. to hear this guy tell it, yeah, he criticized obamacare then out of nowhere, he gets an audience. weird? >> it sounds like a fishing expedition by the irs in attempt to

tie me up for a very long time in retaliation for what i said about obamacare. >> i produced a movie

against obamacare called sick and sicker, then the irs hit me with an audit. neil: weird right. tell me what happened? >> well, like i said, in my video, i produced a movie to show americans the terminal destination of obamacare which is socialized medicine like they have in canada and i got hit with an audit. and i had never been audited before i made the movie, after the movie came out, i was hit with aan audit. neil: that could be a coincidence. >> it could be a complete coincidence. but did a inertia d'souza made a movie against obama and they pursued him.

tried to put him in jail. dr. ben carson spoke against obamacare. he got hit with an audit. you start to wonder whether obama is acting like a third world dictator. neil: it might not be the president per se, but just like these other targetings for example it comes from his underlings or those who think the boss would like this. >> probably some group of people in some room in chicago or something like that or, you know, who knows. and just for the record, i'm an objectivist so i run with people that want to reduce government whether they're libertarians or conservatives. i just want to get that on the record. neil: but under let's say the bush administration, did anyone try and target you? >> oh, no absolutely not. neil: now, you're a big deal. maybe back then you

weren't so maybe it's luck of the draw or unluck of the draw. >> yeah, well, i did some things back against immanent domain abuse why i was trying to fight against immanent domain abuse. i tried to call attention to the fact that we've lost our property rights and now, we're losing rights over our own body. pretty soon we'll be in the position where our lives will be in the hand of a bureaucracy. we'll need some treatment and drug and we'll have to beg to a bureaucratic. i went up to canada where politicians and bureaucrats run the whole show. and they run the whole show into the ground. my own cousin, i have canadian relatives. he died. he wanted cancer. his doctor had to ask a canadian bureaucratic for the treatment. and they were refused. he's dead now.

actually several canadians died in my movie after speaking to me about the fact they weren't getting the best treatment, they weren't getting treatment in a timely fashion, i interviewed them and not too long after, they passed away. so their words are a dying warning to all of us that we have to fight against socialized medicine as strong as we can. once it's in place, we'll never be able to get rid of it. and it will kill us. neil: you're onto something. all right. devastating issue, but it could be devastating for subway because this sizzling hot ad has actually got a lot of women, target audience for subway, burning men. >> rugs eating burgers? summer is over. halloween is coming you got to stay in shape for the cost tombs. like attractive nurse.

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disagrees. >> i disagree because i don't think companies realize the message they're sending in their ads. sometimes it gets a little lost. i think that subway, i think they had good intentions. i think they meant it to be a joke. obviously people aren't reacting that way. i feel like as an adult, you can discern more. i worry more about the young girls, the impressionable girls that believe they need to be thin to be beautiful or are constantly told to be thin. >> i think if you're wearing something like that, you need to stay in shape. any intelligent with me who thinks that eating subway will keep them looking like a fashion model. neil: there are some very healthy choices there. >> it's an interesting marketing ploy. they've marketed to jared with the weight loss then with the pro athletes win. throw the touch down. eating subway and now,

they're marketing to women. it's just a different route for them. neil: they're trying to make the food appealing during a season that normally people aren't so concentrated on their weight so what's wrong with that? >> i think that it's once again how they go about it. neil: you guys look to halloween as a time, oh, i got to be thin for this one. >> there is a pressure. neil: really? what the heck are you guys dressing up as? >> i kind of want to be a unicorn. i want to rebel. neil: does it matter if you're heavy or not. i can see on the beach. >> honestly sexiness and confidence is a state of mind. neil: not for everybody. >> well, it should be. you don't have to be a size double zero to wear a cost tomb like that. neil: this is the first time i've seen attaching halloween to be a diet goal. right? >> exactly. like i said. it's like the people that see these ads it's

once again, i feel like there's a fine line between health and thin because eating disorders are on the rise. up to 24 million people in the us alone suffer from eating disorders. neil: plus size to me is in another zip code you're not that. there is pressure. >> and you get it from the media and something that could be -- neil: this is an ad that's doing it and ticking you off. you're thin and you're seeing this and you're ticked off. >> i think she's fit. absolutely. neil: we got to be super super thin like you? >> who says that? neil: i just did to get you fired. >> i don't want -- >> there's a fine line between being thin and healthy. sometimes being thin. girls go to extreme measures to be thin.

that's where -- neil: how do you advise young women, girls there's such a thing as being beautiful, but don't be a way of. >> thesecosms are sold in bulk every year. it's funny because it's true. have you not dressed up -- when did a crop top become too sexy or too slutty. i think it's silly that it's even an issue. it's a halloween costume. >> i think it's more than -- i think it's the combination of the messages that women are constantly being fed in the media to be thin. it's the bigger issue than the commercial. neil: i wanted you two to like it. >> i think people are blowing it way out of proportion. i applaud subway. what's marketing supposed to do? you're supposed to talk about it. what are we doing? it's getting a lot of free advertising with this ad. kudos to them.

neil: have either of you ever eaten at subway. >> of course. neil: i don't believe it. >> i do think it's a big deal. what causes eating disorders, media and the message it sends. >> no, i'm not saying it's just about the subway. it's the combination of the society as a whole. neil: do we have another show we have to keep doing? some people would do anything to get an iphone six, but would you actually consider trading your house for one? >> i seen it online. i had to watch the story four times. a house for sale for an iphone. i was shocked.

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problems. >> this is bad that he can't get rid of these homes. truth is there's not much of a home to get rid of. they're stealing the siding off the homes for scrap metal. these homes are a mess. your purchase price does not determine your tax bill. homeses are assessed from 30,000 to $6,000. just because you paid an iphone doesn't mean you will have a cheap tax bill. kennedy: as little as 1,000 bucks. >> right, you still have a big tax bill. >> what do you think? >> when is this going to end for detroit. this is a big tax and spend union town, that's what possibly drove detroit into bankruptcy. the same issues, more of. this i'm so worried about the story. >> people swapping a phone. >> real estate could plunge.

>> i thought iphones would increase, scratch that next question for you. [ laughter ] do you think this is a sign of the times. in other words, there's such a fixation with this phone that all of a sudden, and maybe mercedes, you can take it up, it's out of control. and that the phone is such a signature of holding that we'll swap a home for it? >> no, i think that this is just one of the stories, media stories that's gotten national attention. how can you logically think you're going to trade your home for an iphone. it's an interesting, i would call it a marketing play on behalf of this. >> seller will swap home. can we show that again? and it's as little as 32 gig, not even 120. >> right. and willing to come down from the big one. willing to negotiate. that's right. willing to negotiate. >> what is it a $300 house or $500 house. >> i don't know, swap my phone

for it. >> back then, they used to bake cookies when they wanted to you see the house. it's not a good trade. >> leave iphones on the counter. >> the only way to make this work is for a developer to level it, and put stores, a bus station, otherwise you're in the middle of nowhere. >> are they should have the hgtv channel do one of those flipping the houses show, and then you can get some publicity that way. >> the possibility the guy doing it is just an idiot. we left that out. >> he's from abroad, he's not from the u.s. that makes it interesting. >> maybe a cnbc watcher, not sure. if you're swapping your home for any device, let's say an iphone, there is something wrong with you, but that's just me, right? seems sad. >> very sad, and the point about being a cnbc watcher is

well taken. >> i'll keep my iphone. >> that's how i roll. that will do it here, see you tomorrow. have a great night. do not be trading your house for a phone. or i'm going to come back. . kennedy: all right, we've been talking about scary things lately like ebola and isis, last night we came to the conclusion with the data cruncher that the world is actually better off. isis is making for the head wind to syria, bombing campaigns are failing in syria and iraq and the guy who saluted alex with engagement ring with ebola, he died. when you stick your head under water for a few minutes, easy to think you're drowning. all the crises can be linked to government failure, when government fails it gives individuals a chance to conquer and thrive. one termer jimmy carter is sounding like a limited government guy. if there's hope for