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neil: be careful of a government saying it has everything on control. tonight on cavuto the way the administration is handling ebola an outbreak that could soon be out of control. and progressives blaming republicans for the spread of ebola. allen west responding to the attack ad he says is way over the top. also the isis virus is spreading, but instead of unveiling a new plan to stop isis the secretary of defense unveiling a plan to stop climate change. all that and it's one thing to leak celebrity photos, but what about your photos? if you've ever taken a picture of your privates this could go public. this all starts right
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now. >> welcome everybody. i'm david asman in for neil cavuto. and our top story. cdc director tom frieden saying the u.s. should rethink its ebola approach after a second ebola case is confirmed in texas. the cdc saying we should expect more ebola cases to come especially in texas. the former office if more do pop up, get ready for stocks to go down. do you think we've already seen a little bit of that steve. >> there's certainly the volatility and markets hate uncertainty. you've got government officials, health officials running around saying don't worry this ebola thing is not going to come over here. if it does, it's not going to be contagious. oops. it is. it's here and it's contagious. don't worry about isis they're the vrjv. well they're outside of
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baghdad. one thing you learn in leadership is you need to be straight with people. you have to tell them what's going on. you have to tell them the risk. you can't say don't worry everything is cured. you have to empower them by giving them tools to help themselves. >> you sound like jack we shall. what makes a good manager just like you said people with integrity. take responsibility for past actions. admit mistakes. fix those mistakes. have you seen any of that with this administration? >> well, look, i think the american people are worried markets are rattled. and i think the administration needs to step up and everybody involved with this from a leadership standpoint needs to step up and say, here's our plan to secure the border. here's how we will deal with this from a government standpoint, but it's a bad thing and we can't control everything that's going on so here are the steps that you as americans need to take to protect
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yourselves. i think if we're straight with people it would be a i lot better. until then you'll see this volatility. two, 300 points in the marketplace. >> it's not just ebola. it is a whole range of issues on which this administration has not been straight with people or at least has been changing their tune and that may have led to a decline in the market. with regard to isis, the president was on 60 minutes. instead of taking the blame he was asked how he could have missed the development of isis, he put it on his intel forces. it was jim clappers fault. they underestimated what had been taking place in syria. on the other hand i'm the one who ended the war in iraq. he must have said that a dozen times before the election. >> he campaigned and he promised it so he wouldn't to deliver and he wanted it to be done. the reality on the ground it looks different. he needs to stand up and say time out. everything has changed.
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we've got to go back and take care of these things. the american people understand that. we keep managing by polls, but polls are driven by what we tell them and the facts we share with them and nobody knows more than the president and the leaders in washington. they need to be straight with people. and i think people will respond well to that. >> let me hearken back to another leader within my lifetime ronald reagan he had a little sign on his desk. there it is. we're spelling it out for folks. there's no limit to what you can do if you don't care who gets the credit. that was reagan's model. he used that throughout his leadership career whether he was governor in the private sector or as president. wouldn't it be nice to have that again? approximate? >> you can't blame the president for the outbreak of ebola. >> you can blame him for not taking responsibility. >> i think leaders need to not worry about that. they need to understand
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they can't control what comes at them, but they're judged by how they act and they react to these issues. that's what the american people are looking at. they want to believe in leadership. that's what people need to do, they need to stand up and say, this is the issue and this is what we need to do about it. >> great to see you, steve. thank you so much. so are you skeptical of the government? fbi director telling 60 minutes you have a right to be skeptical. >> i believe that americans should be deeply skeptical of government power. you cannot trust people in power. the founders knew that that's why they divided power to set interest against interest. >> the government is giving the public plenty of reason to doubt if. liz mcdonald and tracy byrnes. i was very glad to hear the fbi director to say that, but i wonder if he practices what he preaches. what do you think?
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>> it was so refreshing to see the fbi director saying that. that was the heck of an admission statement then you have to say, the government is snooping on us. you felt you needed a chiropractic after that. but listen, with the fbi saying this at this point in time is really critical. david, you and i talked about this what goes on in south america, latin america. people constantly warn us we always ignore with the government is doing until it's on right on our doorstep. (?) >> i don't mean to pick on you because you have an outstanding career and everything. you're a lot closer to millennials than i am. do they care about government overreach the way i do. i think the main concern among millennials and i can't speak for all of them it's all about surveillance. it's very much about the privacy of your information. that's where a lot of concerns about where the government stands. what kind of snooping.
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edward snowden, of course. all come together. really come into play and effect everything that millennials are doing right now. >> and tracy, i think it's run reason why ron paul who is close to 80 if he's not pass 80 had a lot of support from the millennials. so did ronald reagan. they weren't called millennials back then, but he had a lot of younger people voting for him. >> some of the older people on the panel today, all we want is the truth, david. i think we're a little bit beyond apology. i don't think people sitting around their table worrying how they are going to pay their bills really care whose fault it is. just tell me the truth. just tell me that we're going to take care of of this isis thing. don't beat around the bush. we don't care about the owing anymore. >> and just be honest what government and cannot do. maybe it can't be the cure all for ebola.
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(?) maybe we will have to face some really deadly face choices. >> it's astonishing this is where we are with ebola. the first responderrers the nurses and doctors -- i'd like to see the people in d.c. say we'll go and treat ebola patients. you have doctors and soldiers in your family as the people here, but getting back to what the fbi director said the fbi does have to adhere to the constitution. they say this time and again. what we're worried when the government starts to hire private contractors to start do surveillance. that's what edward snowden was the like of them snooping. who are you calling? what time are you calling? >> there's a health level of skepticism in everything. we're skeptical about everything. but that being said, we're not getting -- you just feel like you're not getting the truth. i think that's so hiss inherittening to so many
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people. >> sy sillians forget everything about the vendetta. on the idea of government overreach do you personally feel this is one of the most important things in terms of the way the government works. >> surveillance is important. all you have is your privacy. one of the most important rights we have as human beings is the right to privacy and expression. if you look at what edward snowden said over the weekend it's fascinating he raised the red flag for companies everyone uses. google, facebook, dropbox even. skepticism about how that encryption works. so it certainly effects everything. it's become the internet thing to do our banking our shopping -- we do every single thing online. >> (?) well, if we can't handle ebola here, how can we stop the outbreak over there. the warning from liberia that could mean ebola is here to stay. you want to hear this
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defense secretary chuck hagel is unveiling a plan to deal with climate change. on whether or not the u.s. is dropping the ball on isis. what do you think senator? >> yeah. look, if you accept what the president said at the un and his speech to the nation, and what i think most of us felt after we saw two americans had their head cut off by isis, this is an enemy we have to stop. what the president as commander-in-chief as enabled to do so far is clearly not enough. the airstrikes are -- david: let me stop you right there. you cannot destroy isis based on what we've been doing? >> no way. you can't do it from the air. you can set them back. you can create conditions that may enable troops on the ground to defeat them certainly to keep them at bay. but certainly that hasn't worked very well because the troops on the ground have been
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pushed back. the momentum today seems with isis and therefore i'm afraid we need to face this tough decision which the president has not wanted to face. ideally there will be a coalition of special operating forces from the u.s. from european countries from arab countries. david: like we had in afghanistan after 9/11. the famous image of those guys on the horses cottage in and directing air fire from the ground. it may be a side issue, but the question why the president is not doing what needs to be done to defeat isis if in fact that is his goal. it's a stated goal, but if he really believes it. is it because he's more worried about the political consequences then the military consequences? >> the honest answer is i don't know. in other words, i don't know what's in his mind. david: his military people -- they must be telling him, sir, this isn't going to do it. >> and you don't have to
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be generalize inhour to know that you can't win a war from the air. if you're fighting an enemy that's on the ground. you can set them back, but you can't defeat them and you won't set them back for long either much sooner than any of us anticipated because of the movement of isis on the ground. they now control territory larger than california (?) and they're forming a nation, a caliphate, an extremist hateful, anti-american nation. david: now, the question of whose boots on the ground need to be there. you mentioned a coalition of special forces and perhaps other people. the turks. lot of questions about what role turkey is playing in this. of course, we know historically we know they hate the kurds. they've been fighting them for decades. they apparently gave sawrchght to some of the founders of isis back before it was officially called isis and now questions about whether perhaps his son is
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involved with buying isis oil. what is your feeling about the turks and their involvement. >> turkey has been very disappointing in this. unfortunately it's not the first time in 2003 in our move against saddam hussein, they wouldn't let us come into the country. even though turkey is our nato alley. here again they've found a lot of excuses not to be helpful. the one encouraging note which came out the last 24 hours that turkey was going to allow the u.s. to use some of their bases. in turkey, they're now disclaiming that. this is one of those moments where we've got to decide who our friends are. we have some good friends in the middle east. david: but turkey is not acting like one. #. the final question, while we are in this desperate battle, i've got a son who is in the
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marine core it worries me that the secretary of defense is talking about not defeating isis, but about climate change. what's that about? >> i've been hearing this for years. there's something to it, but the timing is probably off. in other words, there's something to the fact that if there are massive changes in the climate, let's say the arctic, and there is a lot of melting up there, there could be conflict between nations -- david: but priorities. our priorities is defeating an enemy that wants -- that's chopping our heads off literally. >> i agree. so the timing is off. the ideas are not so bad. i gather senator hagel will be talking about, but this is the time to be single-minded about isis and defeat these extremists. if we don't stop them there, they will be here and we'll mourn a lot more than we should. >> that you very much. well, if ebola is so hard to get as some health officials tell us how can you get it while
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infected even though she was wearing protective gear so what about the thousands of u.s. troops sent to west africa to try and stop the spread of the disease. how much danger will they be in committee to prevent infectious deaths, betsy mccoy said we could be seeing a lot more americans contract the virus. that's not good news. >> it isn't good news. and there are two types of people i'm very concerned about. the first obviously is health care workers. when the cdc says any american hospital with an icu can handle ebola. that's just a bald-faced lie. we know that our hospitals are not prepared to handle ebola, our nurses are speaking up themselves and saying, they're not trained to handle ebola. and we can see from the experiences of nurses and doctors in africa, in spain, and elsewhere, that the protocols for removing this protective
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garb once it's removed are so precise that one misstep means death. david: you know what bothered me was it sounded like the cdc was kind of blaming her. somebody didn't follow the protocols maybe the protocols are wrong. >> any protocols that require such perfection that one mistake condemns someone to a virus or death, well, that's not an adequate protocol. david: and do we actually know because i haven't heard specifics as to what protocol they claim was violated. >> no, we don't know. david: in other words, they could be using this as an excuse for their own misstatements about how easy it is to contain ebola. >> let's look at the experience. 233 doctors and nurses in africa have died so far this year treating patients with ebola. some of them were undertrained or inadequately equipped, but others had all the latest equipment. the head of
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epidemiology. an epidemiologist of great renown died the same way. david: in our health experts with all their knowledge about this disease and how to protect yourselves from it, what about our troops? >> that's another problem. let's look at the situation of our troops. we're told that our troops will not be directly treating patients. a small number of the troops will be operating mobile testing units. and, of course, people coming in possibly with ebola to get tested will be in direct contact with those troops. we're told those troops will be wearing complete protective gear, but we can see the perils of removing that gear, and should we be subjecting our troops to this? david: should web? >> i'm very worried about that. the second is even more troubling that is many military are going to be involved in building field hospitals, digging in the ground, clearing
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the forest. right? well, we also know the scientists tell us that this disease is transmitted from bats. and bat feces and so, of course, if they're not wearing full protective gear and those soldiers won't be, they could be exposed to this virus in the jungle. david: thank you very much betsy mccoy. meanwhile, trouble on the front lines for ebola. the liberian health care workers union threatening to strike over hazard pay. this is a strike that would be a ahuge set back on trying to stop ebola. tracy, where do you stand on the strike issue. >> if all they're asking is for more money to show up, pay them. if that's all they're asking for they're really asking for hazard pay. that seems beyond. they should get that and
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then some. david: when i think of all these billions of dollars spent on these bureaucracies around the world. when these guys get paid hundreds of thousands to pontificate about ebola. send them to the line. >> the more happier health care workers you have who feel like their family is being supported when they put their lives at risk, the better. >> it's the disproportionatety all this money to do a questionable service with regard to this thing. >> when you look at liberia, look at this number. it's astonishing. (?) only 50 doctors in the whole country. that's why you have to have a liberian military and our u.s. military is going in there for them. it's astonishing what they're asking for tracy is right the association in liberia, the health care workers, they get
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only $700 a month they should double the pay for them. they are on the front lines as you pointed out. >> and two of those doctors passed. lizzie made this point earlier about sitting in your white towers getting free lunches. the bureaucracies making these decisions they would never in a million years risk their lives. >> when we have people on camera equating this to the flu. it is not like the flu the morality rate is 60 percent. whereas the morality rate for the flu is eight to 10 percent. liberia has one quarter of the beds to deal with ebola. >> this is something we haven't seen before. well, as if we didn't have enough problems, the white house is racing for a doomsday scenario. here it is a fox business exclusive report. also coming up the liberal group blaming republicans for the spread of ebola. why allen west says an
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david: is a crippling cyber attack about to hit the financial system. the white house is bracing for a doomsday hacking scenario. charlie what have you learned. >> this occurred at some of those fund-raising meetings that president obama had last week. he did a couple of meetings in new york city. i know people that were at these things. he's not very worried about ebola. he's pretty confident he could contain it. that was before the latest case. the first u.s. based case. he was worried and he said it about approximate the potential for cyber terrorism to pierce the banking system in a
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major way where hundreds of millions of dollars can disappear. like somebody hacking into a government system and erasing people's identity. david: but this is just a scenario to worry about. >> they know the attempts are occurring every day. it was interesting, obama said, three guys in a room with a server can steal more money than bonnie and collide could steal over 1,000 years. that's what he said. quote, unquote. and, you know, he's really worried about this. david: by the way, did he mention any governments that might be behind this. >> i think most people know the places where it comes from. david: russia and china. >> and parts of the middle east. iran and iraq or iran i should say. that's where he is right now. i would point out, i think, he's late to this party as he's late for a lot of others. i will tell you that jpmorgan has been talking to the state department almost every
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day about its systems being attacked. so they -- the white house should be well aware that this was on the radar screen. i'm not saying big government should solve it, but it shouldn't surprise him or anybody else. >> what's so interesting is that all these tech companies they're trying to beef up their security. even though some of them aren't as wealthy as jpmorgan. you have companies with a lot of personal data. they're in touch with the u.s. government. it's very, very difficult to coordinate everything because every company, every firm has such different interests. such different types of data, and yet the threat is all the same. right? david: and one thing that connects us all is the market that could drop because of something like this. remember millennial 2,000. that was the beginning of the 2000 crash. it could spook the market. >> i hear what you're saying the department of justice official just testified again on thursday state and local governments, the health
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care industry are certainly at risk and so is the power grid. you know, i talked to people inside jp morgan chase and also at citibank their own websites are also attacked. people are trying to hack into their personal facebook pages. and they're being instructed not to log on when they're at work. charlie makes an important point that is bangs are known to have powerful firewalls. i talked to the law enforcement and fbi that's why the fbi is taking notice and saying you got to beef it up and d.c. has to step up. david: i want to joe one point. on that question through a facebook account a private facebook account some hacker could get into your business account is that possible. >> i don't have the mechanics. it's the matching of data. >> they want to do for wire transfer. >> i'm not an expert, but that doesn't sound right. here's what the president is worried about. he's worried about -- and he's mentioned this someone hacking into a
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jpmorgan account and getting much more than what they got in the last breach which was mainly names and addresses and going in there and being able to steal $100 million. now, that would take tank the stock market. >> it shouldn't be news. we're so behind the eight ball. i mean, the power grid everyone should be worried about. one switch and the whole country would go down. >> thoapght the credentials of bank employees to do things like fake wire transfers out of accounts. so that's another -- david: some of that information people do have on their facebook accounts. >> why are we late on this? here's one reason: we've been spending the last seven years since the financial crisis beating the hell out of the banks and imposing really dopey things. what is more worry some to you the average person whether your account could be hacked all your money stolen or whether jpmorgan is following the vocal rules. think about priorities of this administration.
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we have allowed the nutty bureaucrats like elizabeth warren and all the rest of them to basically hijack the issue of what disuz bank safety. they would tell you they should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time, but this is all about priorities vocal versus stealing -- >> quickly. isn't this a fake comparison equating ebola with cyber attacking they're both bad. >> i said in terms of what he's most afraid of. >> we're so far i hand you the eight ball. we can't catch up. >> think twice before you snap your extranext picture. all your private photos could go public.
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problem for democrats trying to keep the senate? gerri is here along with our all stars. a lot of problems with this. >> an incredible amount of problems. there were 42 delays and, folks, 2013's obamacare alone. a lot of democrats out there very upset. it's worse if you're a consumer who wants to sign up. it took six months for them to roll out obamacare. lots of changes. lots of fits and starts. a lot of people asking the question will it be better this year? i'm reserving judgment. lots of issues already. >> people just don't understand how it works. how you get involved. i mean, a lot of people who have had a year to try to figure it out haven't been able to figure it out. i don't think it's their fault. it's the law's faults. >> what are premiums how much am i going to pay for this. you won't know right now because it's not up until november 15th. what we do know prices will be higher in
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california as much as 4 percent. in florida premiums are going up 17 percent. so it looks like we'll have higher prices, but remember this website still isn't ready for prime time. the back end still isn't built out. even though they've had plenty of time to upgrade and $2 billion. it's incredible. david: when we talk to companies and how much it would cost to put up a website with the comparable amount of data involved and everything it's kind of a rounding arrow. >> he should have just hired someone from google and got it over with. i think it's going to be 22010 all over again. there's no reason for young people, minorities, are going to come out and vote. there's no incentive. they're frustrated because they can't get health insurance for their people at home and there's no other candidate to vote for anyway. they'll stay home and
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skip this altogether. david: the one thing that is different is there's no tea party. the tea party has been so thoroughly raked over the coals by the irs and everybody else the media itself that there isn't that political force that we had in 2010 against obamacare. that might -- that might auger in the democrats favor no. >> if you look at the broader landscape it's clear -- gallup saying only 33 percent of people are going to show up that's much lower than 2010 and prior to that. what's very interesting, it's not just a lack of perhaps choices as you refer to it is a lack of motivation to go to the polls and obama has said it himself, if it is 2010 type turn out it will be -- david: i big enough she lacking for the republicans to take the senate? >> i'm not sure if this issue combined with others. possibly, yes, but to gerri's point. (?) i don't see any other
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better reason for the new financial bureau that night health exchanges. there are many monopolies where prices will go up. and there is hacking going on. we had malware planted on them. they're plugged into the irs. so watch out. the irs wants your household income. it's your whole household income. david: besides all the money that people are going to have be spending on this, their privacy is being invaded. >> and it may not just be by the government it's probably by hackers they haven't been able to keep people safe. one oaf looked number the subsidies costed us $11 billion. this year it will cost us $23 billion. it's only going to rise. david: they're still only insuring only a little of the uninsured. >> there's still small businesses saying you're off. you have to find your
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own -- >> why did the cost double. >> they anticipated more people to be involved. and these costs are rising. david: i know we could continue for a long time. meanwhile, republican spending cuts are causing an ebola outbreak. did you hear that. a new ad said so. allen west on why he says democrats have gone too far and this ad is proof. >> washington actually can't cut spending. the cdc said its discretionary spending has been can you tell by billions since 2010. >> cut government.
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happening today that we're not able to recognize, stop as effectively as we should be able to. cut. cut. cut. cut. cut. cut cut. make a cut. david: unbelievable. i haven't seen one of those ever. to former republican allen said this is not just outrageous it's dead wrong. first i want to mention this ad is completely disingenuous the cdc relieved a big raise of 8.2 percent. that's a 565 million-dollar increase. even if the tone was totally inappropriate as it was, the facts are totally wrong. >> you're absolutely right. it is a pleasure to be with you.
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it's completely disingenuous if you remember the former chief of staff whoosd never let a good crisis go to waste. you have the democrats staring at an armageddon of a politically nature this is what they're trying to pull out. much as wendy davis used the wheel cheer. let me share a few numbers with you. these came with the 2012 waste book. 295,000nh to study fruit flies where the male fruit flies prefer younger or older fruit flies. 500 and $48,731 to get evidence that binge drinking leads to immaturity. 675,000 research fictional characters in books, tvs, and movie shows help your -- your
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self-esteem. $90 million. david: we can go on and on. the point is so well-taken. this is where the cdc itself has been misallocating a lot of its funds by the way that have been increased. the head of the nih, francis came out with a statement teed in the huffington post he was quoted a liberal news organization, in which he was complaining about republicans not increasing cdcee erroneously complaining about this the same day this ad came out. do you think that was coordinating that in fact the nih. it took them a while to put this out. the nih is working with liberal political attack ads on this. >> you're absolutely right. there's no such thing as a coincidence in washington, d.c. especially in this political season. i find once against the disingenuous comments and statements by dr. collins who created
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a gay porn website called sex -- let me check this out real quick. called sex pulse because they wanted to help gay males with online hiv protection. he endorsed that $5 million to create that. again you have hypocrisy that is coming out. david: it's also the tone. that's inexcusable in itself, but at a time when the country needs to come together, republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives, to defeat ebola in this country and to prevent it from coming over here and help defeat it in africa, do we need an ad that turns it into political football. >> the ends justifies the means any means which the democrat can maintain their control and possibly stave off an expansion of seats being lost in the house they're going to do that. that's what you see here.
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david: i think it's inexcusable. allen west thank you for coming in. >> happy 239th birthday to the navy. david: and don't forget the marine corps. >> that's kowmg in november. david: breaking news more nude photos have been leaked. photos of everyday americans. so i can reach ally bank 24/7, but there are no branches?
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>> does not look like that. david: nothing disappears. >> my kids have been using snap chat, they don't touch touch fa. >> danger this is an acceptable form of cyber flirting to send pictures of yourself with a text. 25% of millennials, in a study said they do that. david: technology has advanced so far that new apple iphone 6 has tremendous encryption so good that head of fbi, justice department' an in to the software, if we need to spy on someone we can get it so far apple is resisting. >> apple has right to resist as much as they want to, they are a company that makes private decisions, the issue is to get information about anyone off of
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any device, it should be done with a warrant, this is process that is due process that is important. and there is no doubt that people who believe that their iphone is secure are feeling more skeptical about this. if apple does relent that will hurt market share. david: if they distrust someone they can get a warranty, ge -- warren then the phone then get in. >> right, do it through proper means, people should know, your stuff is not safe, kids should listen. it should stop. david: maybe it just goes away. >> maybe we can find the irs epa e-mails. david: who knows. >> another social media leak, a facebook video post with a man dragged to his death by a new york city train, the family of
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deceaseed is requesting it be removed but facebook so far is refusing, a spokesperson telling fox business, not all disturbing content violates our community standards for this reason we offer people who use facebook the ability to customized and control what they see, tracy? common decency. >> so many things wrong with this, first who posted this? this is -- that society has issues, and you know, facebook should respect the family, i'm sorry, i could block this stuff but respect the family, i think they are doing wrong thing. >> this is a ho horrible situat, i would never to see that. david: only thing i could think of maybe, public service, lessen to folks to be -- less ow lessoo folks to be more careful. >> so sad, they are right, you
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don't want a constant reminder of how your child passed away, facebook is so wrong here, social media are taking down terroristages, hideous beheadings. >> you know as well as i do, people -- >> facebook should take it down. >> people are watching almost as a goof, they are not being respectful. david: the death of av human being. >> looking at how facebook has operated over last 10 or so years, they often change their direct, they have changed their privacy policy, not always for the better, a lot of decisions they made with enough public outcry they may reconsider. david: they use phrase community standards. >> there are none then at facebook if they allow this to stay up. david: coyou think it stays up? >> i do not. david: jo ? >> they have been responsible. >> other internet sites are
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taking it down. david: keep the tweets and e-mails coming in thank you for watching, we'll see you later. kennedy: here it is, what have you been waiting for grand unification theory between ebola and isis. the exacerbateer is not the group or the contain john. it is the government. beating off more than it could chew, jef jeopardizeing basic g, cdc gets 6.8 billion dollars a year. why are they spending 332 million on occupational safety? when someone asks you why you are dubious of politic
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