that parents can be held responsible for what their kids post on facebook. everybody better go home and check what your kids are posting. >> john, do you watch what >>dan fa and hod. coming up, "cavuto on business." >> it's still hot but we're still giving passes to people in ebola hot zones. hello, everyone. i'm charles lane in for neil cavuto. united states embassies in ebola zones of guinea, sierra leone and liberia are processing up to 100 visa applications daily. if approved, those people would be free to come to the united states. now, top republican lawmaker firing off a letter to the state department calling a halt to all applications until this threat is over. makes sense to me. why can't we make this happen? to ben stein, gary along with adam lashinsky and charlie

gasparino. gary kay. >> charles, the state department has direct authority to suspend visas at a moment's notice for security reasons. these are hot zones. they're letting 100 visas a day come through. these are people who are free to come here. and the situation where things are getting a little touchy here and it's been spreading a little bit, it's something that should be done and done immediately. >> why do you think it's not being done? >> i think it looks bad. and i think -- >> to who? >> -- the democrats don't want to do it. i think that they're worried about -- for an administration that has been so concerned about optics and the way things look -- >> but bad to the rest of the world or bad to americans? because i think it will look great to americans. >> i agree at this point, a majority of americans are in favor of travel bans or flight restrictions. listen, more than two dozen african countries have restricted or banned travel into their countries from these hot

zones. in the western hemisphere it's been jamaica, guyana, trinidad, colombia, st. lucia. the list grows. why we're not on that list is ridiculous. >> what do you think, charlie? >> well, i'm glad you've joined the gasparino camp on this. >> i will admit -- but this is before the first case came here. so i think i have changed my lined like a lot of americans. >> common sense would dictate we would do this. excuse me. >> now at least. >> even more so now than ever before. i will say this. this is obviously a degree of political correctness here. i don't think this administration, the liberals in this country, the left want to see us banning travel from africa. i think it comes simply down to this. the notion that there's a legitimate medical case to open borders from those countries at this point is preposterous because you can help those countries by quarantining the

countries, as other african nations have done. and you could also help them by having commercial flights, charter flights going there and dealing with them -- by the way, wouldn't it be great if we could just -- the big thing would be to help the people over there with first-class medical assistance. that is key. and we're not doing it. >> there's a lot. and by the way, i do want to let the audience know that cashin in is going to be focused on the travel bans. we're trying to go deeper than that, adam. what we're saying is why are we still issuing visas? why not at least go to the root of the issue and nip it in the bud there? >> well, because that isn't the root of the issue. we don't want to behave in -- what you're suggesting, charlie, you in particular, is sort of an immature knee-jerk approach to, this which is to say -- >> immature? >> -- because there's a problem in this country -- >> immature? >> we're going to say that nobody from that country can ever have access to the united states while we're going through this process? instead what we're seeing is --

instead what we're saying is we're going to continue our visa process -- we're going to continue our visa process as the way that it's going -- >> and let people with this disease in here. >> including the issues that you're bringing up. >> adam, it is a mature -- adam, it's a mature response to say let's take a break, let's -- not forever but for now. and let's go to the root of the problem and give them first-class -- >> let's go to the most mature guy on the panel right now. ben, i was looking at the side monitor. when adam started talking, your mouth just gaped open. that somehow nipping this at the root would be immature. >> well, the idea you can nip it in the bud by sending over a few medical personnel is insane. these are big areas with millions of people. infection spreading incredibly rapidly, spreading by the thousands. the idea we're going to send over a few nurses and doctors and stop is it is preposterous.

there is no legitimate reason to be issuing visas to people from those countries. we can stop it. our first duty is to protect the citizens of america. we're americans. americans' welfare has to come first. political correctness be damned. >> so i would just point out that we live in a global community. and what we do to other countries we can then expect other countries to do to us. we don't want to set a -- >> because there's people -- >> liberia cuts off travel to america, it's absolutely fine. >> go ahead, adam. >> we don't want to say because there's people in your country -- because there's people in your country who have a very legitimate serious concerning problem that we're not going to let anybody from your country into our country for the time being. >> i want to go back to gary k. >> why is that bad? >> gary, here's the problem. we have a disease where there's a 70% mortality rate, no one has a handle on it, it's growing like wildfire in africa, and what adam is saying, at least to me, is complete nonsense. it is political correctness run

amok. and it leaves our country so vulnerable that it's hard to justify it. i don't see how president obama justifies it. i don't see how adam justifies it, gary. >> i would think after the last couple of weeks watching the cdc mistake after mistake after mistake realizing at a given point in time, wait a minute, we do not have control of the situation, let us completely doubly err on the side of caution. and as i said last week, the number one function of the government is to protect the country, the borders, and the folks. and i've got to tell you, it seems like everything they do is the exact opposite. >> we had one man -- >> close things down for right now. not forever. >> one man came into this country. one. and we can't control the spread of this disease. >> bingo. >> we can't control one nurse with ebola getting on a plane to cleveland and back to dallas. we need to have our safety protocols straight. we need to make sure the people of this country are safe. we need to basically have our communications line straight

before another person comes into this country, period. >> you know where they're controlling this deadly disease pretty well against great odds? is in africa. >> nigeria's doing a great job. >> they won't let people from these infected regions, affected regions come into their country. i mean, it's the most logical thing to do. >> what a concept. >> it is political correctness, insane political correctness that we're not doing it. and by the way, you know, here's the problem with this. a couple more cases like this, it's really going to have an impact on this country. >> we're on pins and needles. >> in so many ways that -- >> still busy trying to contact the people who were on the flight from dallas to cleveland. >> and don't forget about the cruise ship. ben, i want to wrap it up with you. listen, you've been in the political arena. you understand all of this stuff. president obama thursday night said a ban or even the veedsa situation would be less effective. what's wrong with all of the above sometime? let's do whatever it takes. let's go all in starting with

not issuing any fresh visas. >> no more visas, no more travel. a shutdown of that whole area. let them deal with it there. let's send them help for them to deal with it. but by the way, if the state department is for visas, it's wrong. if the state department's always wrong. >> let's leave it there, guys. great debate. hey, this did not take long. someone on the left blaming republican spending cuts for cutting off power to fight ebola. but get this, the "forbes" gang saying cutting even more spending is the solution. but up here next, it might be their walmart, but if these minimum wage protesters win, will it be everyone's loss? will it be everyone's loss? >> our

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business." we are here to stay until the waltons raise our pay. >> activists declaring a new war on walmart. now, they want $15 an hour for workers. but ben stein, what would that mean for all of the workers? >> unless every single we've ever known, been taut taught about economics is wrong, it means fewer workers would be employed. look, i love walmart. i love the people there. i am a daily walmart shopper when i'm up in idaho during the summer. those are the greatest people in the world who work at walmart. i'd like them to be paid more. but i don't want them to lose their jobs. and by the way, walmart employees between 1.3 and 1.4 million people. at most a couple hundred have demonstrated against walmart.

those are college students and paid agitators. they have nothing to do with the people who work at walmart. >> in fact, i bet you a lot of people at walmart probably would love it to go away so to your point they don't lose their job. gary k., they never stop. walmart is a big juicy target. >> that's all it is. look, these protesters are just absolutely nuts. the fact is that walmart's full hourly wage is $13 already. there's only 6,000 of them that are at minimum wage and they're already fixing that up. walmart is the greatest job-creating machine in history before and going forward, and these morons want to make people lose jobs. let's get them out of the way. >> the irony is they're protesting -- that's new york city, isn't it? they're protesting in new york city where there is no walmart. >> on park avenue. >> right. where there is no walmart because they fought a walmart opening here. and if they did that would actually be a pay raise for people who shop there. because it's so inexpensive that people would have more money

from their paychecks. their dollar goes further. so you know where they can stick it. >> one time they did a little expose, found out that those protesters were actually getting paid minimum wage less than walmart pays their employees. >> every time i protest in front of cavuto's office there's a security force. i can never get any traction out of it. i don't know what's going on here. i think you and i were talking about this at the break. these are paid agitators for the most part. and i think if the american people knew where taxpayer money, which funnels its way from community organizing groups like acorn and some of these other big unions -- >> la raza. >> there's a sort of coalition of the left that pays people to attack big business or business. i think the american people would be aghast of what's going on. this is a real tragedy for our economy. >> you know, adam, here's the thing. the average median income has not changed in over a decade. in fact, more recently it's been

going down. do you support the idea that the best way to fix that is to raise minimum wage? i mean, you're going to lose jobs, and it's not going to have any sort of ripple effect. >> i think that the economic data -- the economic analysis is not as cut and dried as ben would have you believe. i would make two observations. number one, i wish that we were above calling people names like morons and nuts and agitators when people are exercising their right of free expression. whether or not you're paid to do it. because -- >> that's what they are. >> the unions and the left has no monopoly on paying people to show up someplace. i just want to point out, when you're the -- >> the tea party pays people. >> when you're walmart, you're going to take the criticism. they know that. they're prepared for this. >> what's the goal, though? what is the real goal, though, adam? that's what i'd like you to tell us. what's the real goal? >> these people support a higher

minimum wage. it's that simple. >> let me just answer adam -- they just want walmart to be a union shop, period. because the only good job to them is a union job. >> for those people that's true. i agree with you. >> i've got to tell you something, gary k., when you go to these stores, the people there are so grateful for the opportunity. when they say they're opening one up, thousands of people get in line. it is a godsend to certain communities in this country. the idea that somehow it's a nefarious organization that's making america worse is nuts. and the workers themselves don't believe that. >> people love working at walmart. they just opened one here. as you said, they were lined up around corners for half a mile. you want people to get paid more? walmart promotes 160,000 people a year into higher-paying jobs. you move up in life when you work at walmart. they do everything right. the fact these people are protesting, they are getting

paid, and they should be getting out of there. >> it's one thing if they were protesting on behalf of coal miners, people that are risking their life. i mean, listen, i'm not belittling people that work at walmart, but this is not a dangerous job. i'm a union guy. i think if you risk your life you should be paid for it. and if someone puts you in harm's way, i think you should strike. but we're talking about people working at walmart here, who by the way are not making that -- are making a pretty good -- >> i don't know. you're checking out. you're check out some little old lady with a bag of grocery in a hurry? that's dangerous. >> you get back the wrong change, it can be dangerous, too. but i think ultimately, guys, this thing will -- go ahead, ben, real quick. >> charlie made the absolutely best point ever that's ever been made on this show. when does the right wing ever pay people to demonstrate? >> that's true. >> i think what adam just said is nonsense. it's only the left-wingers and unions that do that. >> we've got a great topic in the queue for next saturday. for right now forget people

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according to a new report, helping illegals here in the united states stave off deportation. how? covers their application to obama's program. kind of nuts. right, gary k.? >> well, it's sheer hypocrisy to have the government of mexico not wanting their citizens back. we were hearing them saying that our immigration's bad. look how bad a people we are. look what they're doing. it's typical of people like that and welcome to the immigration story. >> ben, though, i guess they want to keep them here, maybe get a job and start to send cash back to mexico? >> i think you've got it exactly right. follow the money, as they used to say during the watergate era. follow the money. the largest single source of refb noo for the starevenue of rebates from americans who used to be mexicans now sending money

back. makes perfect sense. he sends back thousands. makes perfect economic sense for them. not so much economic sense for us. >> what do you make of it? dagen? >> i didn't know about this program anyway. >> the deferred action for childhood, obama program, about 700,000 have gone through it so far. only in place a few years. it a plies to people who are illegal but here before the age of 16. guess what? liberals want this expanded, and then some, to parents. it's to people over the age of 30. so we talk about it now. it will be a much bigger problem. it's like green card light, essentially. >> we all love immigrants on this show. i know that for a fact. i'm the -- grandson of an immigrant. here's the difference. you can't have open borders in a welfare state. complete common sense dictates that when you start importing lots of poor people, as hard as they work, they will tax your

social network, your welfare system. tax schools. hospitals. everything. and it's costing more than it's producing, i believe, right now. those states, you know, here's the thing i don't get from the "wall street journal" editorial page. do they really believe the people in arizona are racist when they want to build a wall, they want to stop immigration? they're not. they're reacting to the fact their hospitals are flooded. that the network, the network of care is -- >> maybe occasionally get a couple to leave new york and visit there. might make a difference. or just ask adam. what do you think about it? >> well, it is interesting to hear you mocking the "wall street journal" editorial page, which i happen to agree with on the immigration, completely. makes a lot of good sense. i'll try to keep it on the subject, which is, look, if you want to, like, take your silly -- excuse me, take the -- >> you said no name-calling earlier in the show. >> and i corrected myself and i apologize, but i don't fault consulates, anything nation's

consulates, including our own, for helping their national comply with the law in the country where they are. that's what consulates are for. we would expect our consulate to do the same for us if we were traveling -- >> not the law because they're here illegally. you comply with the law by going back to your home country, adam. >> that's one way, and then -- you just articulated what this program is that's another way to comply with the law. >> ben, complemented charlie, bun of the best things ever said. common sense and best things ever said. >> brilliant. >> made up for it. >> did you just refer to -- >> made up for it. >> don't mess it up now. how thanks to charlie and dagen. thank you. up next, stocks got you spinning? i know they do. do you ride this thing out or just get out? our pros say, hey, don't freak out. they've got safety stocks, when we come back. [ breathing deeply ]

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