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do. not even gas stations or daycares or schools. all government facilities remain all but locked down, all canadian airports on high alert, and so too all border crossings and all large urban shopping malls, if it is a place where large numbers gather, good luck gathering there tonight. all but off bounces for canadians this hour, many are not much in the mood to shop, they are rattleed. so too are canadian investors, toronto stock exchange down 265 points, and our dow also dropping 153 on the renewed terror jitters. for next two hours, the asian markets stars start trading, eay indications are, they could be doe due for a hit tonight, that is why we're taking you across

world tonight, what security officials are saying, here, there and everywhere. and markets are doing, stock futures, bond futures, metals, we're all over it. and we have great perspective from former host of ceo. congressman with exclusive intel on what was really behind this attack. >> mike huckabee on how the white house failed a chance to calm investors, and former canyon media tycoon, conrad black on what they are fearing comes next. but first, to sun media columnist, in toronto, what you can tell us anthony? >> i can tell you, only just over an hour ago. employees in parliament hill and the buildings outlying region got a ping to the bloc blackbery saying that the lockdown is

reinstateed, law enforcement are still worried. at police press conference, it was really unclear whether they had a firm handle on whether there is a suspect at large or not, those are questions that still linger right now. neil: now, there were reports you know, and other suspects, at large, or that maybe michael zehaf-bibeau had ast at least someone working with him, maybe others, do we know anything about that. >> a columnist at national post, a very credible jam gentleman we counted story of a car, that there was a shooting one man ran to the parliament building and another man in opposite direction, that would not be toward a major government building but into the heart of the this city. no more on that is really available. an eyewitness source did say that, i believe another source as well.

so what happened to that second person? we don't know. that might explain why for a long time reporters were told get down, media, you know law enforcement yelling at people to leave the area for hours. after the incident began at 9:45 this morning eastern time. neil: anthony, i think, all you canadians had to go through this week along, just a couple days ago that you know, jihadist ran over two canadian soldiers, killing one. just a few weeks after canada joined allies coalition, and airstrikes against isis. are canadians feeling jittery now this is just a pile on that is getting too much? >> i think they m may be, for people such as myself who have been following intel respects this is sadly -- reports this is adly no surprise, there are about 200 people that have come back from being abroad, or still there. combineed, at a you monday hearing, intel experts testify

they can't keep a track of on all of them, and we also know that isis reupttive representatd go out and kill the canadians. >> we had a couple similar incidents here, anthony great reporting, i very much appreciate it. >> thank you. neil: we're showing on lower right of screen how futures are down, trading is tentative. after a dow drop of better than 150, much will hinge on whether it was a wider effort or contained right now. they could breathing a sigh of relief if it looks like to be a lone wolf incident. former cia analyst, frederick price said this has isis written all over it.

a why do you say that? >> well, neil, let's focus on fact that we've heard all day. we can't be sure this is terrorism. we can't be sure an act ofs a ofislamist terrorism. we can be sure, the dead suspect was a recent convert to islam, he had haze passport pulled. he was on a terrorist watch list, now we have determine what type of islamist terrorist attack it is. i am concerned with the timing of present of prime minister in the parliament building suggestions this is a sophisticateed attack probably coordinated by isis or another al qaeda affiliate. neil: that almost raises the scary possibility that, michael zehaf-bibeau, the guy they are pelging to this pegging to this,

do you think he did. >> i think he was probably radicalized over ideology over the internet and videos of the beheadings, this attack was too well timed to be one off attack by a radical islam eu69. islamist.i also believe this isn of al qaeda trying to find security vulner billys, i think al qaeda or isis knew there were security vulnerabilitys in ottawa, they found a follower in canada to conduct this attack, and to punish the west for airstrikes in syria. neil: right. you know, curious, to what end, the lone wolf attacks? if you can't do anything big or strike america, per se, what do you highway patrol t highway pa?

if you are isis you hope to just rattle people in those places that people would not think they would be rattleed? what? >> al qaeda and isis know that spectacular attacks of growing up aircraft are difficult. they turn to attacks of a lower possibility of success but a lot of them. knowing that any one of these attacks will seww fear throughout the western society, they recruit followers to come to region to fight, and stage more attacks behind western borders. neil: all right, frederick thank you very much. and canadian prime minister stephen harper is addressing his nation right now, he was in the parliament building for what were weekly meetings between all of canada's ruling parties, he was the hurried out of there we're told, that the assailant

was trying to search out the prime minister and either abduct or kill him, hard to say, prime minister very much alive and well. >> who was killed this week, by an isil inspired terrorist. tonight we also pray for speedyy recovery for others injured. fellow canadians we've been reminded today, of the com comeh at and courageous nature of so many canadians like private citizens and first responders who came to provide aid for corporate cirillo as he fought for his life. and our security forces. who came quickly, and a great risk to themselves to assist those of us who were close toed attack. fellow canadians, in days to come, we will learn more about the terrorists, and any accomplices he may have had. but this week's evens air grim

remind -- events are a grim he minder that canadaa not amunfrom the terrorist attacks that we've seen? the world, and we're reminded that attacks on our security personnel, and stei instution of government are attacks our country, our values, our society, us canadians, a free and demographic people, we will not be en tim dated, this -- intimidated, we will never be intimidated. this the strong e strengthen our resolve to take all necessary steps to identify and encounter threats and keep canada safe, just as it lead us to strength en our resolve and redouble our effort to work with our allys in the world, and fight against terrorist o organizations.

they will have no safe haven. neil: we'll continue monitoring the canadian prime minister stevstephen harper, he spoke wih president obama today. they both have avoided using the term terror attack for fear of you know how the drill goes, getting everyone alarmed, i would say this is more than a -- we're keeping an eye on it. you know market, they sell first, and ask questions later. calm responses are not financial community's thing. knee-jerk negative react, and's pounding -- anything that had any financial value to it today, that was relateed to a stock, dow dropping after the shooting, and staying down, about 153, and canadian market down as well north of 265 points.

market pros are here. futures are up, that could be expectedhere is a fear this is wider than thought or part of a larger plot than thought, is that how this plays out, larry? >> i think as canadian prime minister indicated today was a reminder that risks are ever present, to investors, investors are resellient, but a reminder that volatility is back. fear gauge today, when fear comes back, we're reminded, imagine if this happened on american soil. what would react have been in financial market? so i think investor should brace themselves and be cognisant of what might be lurking behind this.

neil: you are right about this. i am thinking about the react to the boston attacks, the fact is these are outside black swan events, you think about it they were just calming down, just you know, easing up a little bit, now this, what do you tell your clients? >> this is a tragedy, it brings s fear, it could not have happened at a ways time. it means to investors, think about what is cred in last couple weeks with airstrikes in s in syria, ebola crisis, and weaker than expectation the corporate earnings they weigh heavily on the individual investor that wants to retire. neil: sure, individual investor, and everywhere, we were getting first numbers out of japan, nikkei down about a percent. this is something that word is glued to.

what do you make of this right now? larry, and what do you tell investors in a period like this? >> we look at indicators, looking back at history as a guide, not just stock market but oil market, oil plunged today $80 a barrel, for some that is good news in a temporary bases ahead of christmas shopping but that is a bad sign for the global economy that indicates weakness in china and europe. watch the dollar, and small caps, and high yields. they will indicate whether they be stabilizing, they did not today. you know history shows the last time we saw something after that magnitude was in 1990s, we saw a mid cycle correct, a lot of volatility, a lot of fear it did pass, but you had to be mindful of getting through that 3-d. neil: thanperiod. neil: we are looking at

australia stock edgeing lower as well. japanese stocks down from a half to 3/4 of a percent. so, not a huge drop but knee-jerk reaction. is to follow through. our futures are stable. but, much depends on how big and widespread this canadian, attack could have been. we're early in the game. whether following futures, they are not the real mccoy. another white house intruder was taken down, this is incredible. what is more incredible is that dog. i tell but the dog.

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neil: it rains it pours, white house not even an hour ago,

inuder, jumps the fins, and -- fence, a dog, a whole team of german shepards, they tryed -- this guy did not get far. but i don't like anyone punching a dog. i think that dog should have mangleed him. it was not rich edison, he is joining us now with latest. what happened? >> you know, the guy jumps a itnce, this is nowpeng a intruder got into the white house. you know, secret service yelled at him, jumped the fence, and that dog brought him down right before the fountain. which is a good half way to the white house. up to the lawn there. they caught him early on this one. neil: was this one dog or two? >> it looked like they released one dog on him.

and you know, i have to tell you if not for our ace photographer and my good buddy mike, he is only guy who shot the video, they take him out front, once he is apprehended to an ambulance. neil: do we know going about this guy -- do we know anything about this guy? >> we know nothing as far as why or who. there is an extra layer of security in front of the white house. typically they have a big tall fence, the last guy manageed to stale the fence, now they have a small fence in front of it and a largeer secret service uniformed presence in front of the white house. there is more equipment than i have seen before. and they have these signs up, funny enough, that have when you walk on pennsylvania avenue it says look out for the k-9s they

are here to protect you, don't pet them. neil: a good reason they use germangerman shepard. don't jump the white house fence, rich, and you your photographer great stuff. >> all right, than. we're on top of things there at the white house. but are we on top of things right now with our own security here in the country, retired u.s. major general bob scales with his worries and doubts, what happened in canada, is reverberateing here we know the guy behind it, it converted to islam, and changed his name. that should have gotten authorities attention, he had erratic behavior the last couple of weeks, and this is a lone wolf type of routine sort of behavior that you pointed out in the past. is this what we have to worry about it. >> well, you know, i am not sure this a lone wolf attack.

>> really? >> i think, he may have acted alone but there is a pattern of behavior here that is generated by isis and other radical islamic elements, the west is at war, there is an old saying that west may not be interested in war, but war is interested in the west. isis declares war on the west, then by golly we're at war, regard less of what administration says oho ohowever they try to down lay this. neil: what does that mean, you distinguish this size a lone wolf, or a guy on his own or who one other, and they are on the search for one other potential gunman. isis is sending out orders, this is what we would like you to do, yoyou know, go after those in uniform, and military authorities, as they did in britain, and they have done with police in united states and now

in canada. that does seem to be a pattern? >> absolutely. all about the narrative. i mean what -- i isis wants to tell the world they are winning, they are beating, american technological an sue. and they continue to call kapp c--capture ground, their idea io spread beyond just caliphate, they do this with serogates, they know they will never be able to generate another 9/11, but they will generate fear in the west by, creating an narrative that the lone wolves will jump on to, and perhaps sometimes soon, send out agencies to do terrible deeds, you know this is a military campaign neil that is about as so it isophisticateed as they cd

puts to shame whatal guide was doing a few years ago. neil: well, they have more money than al qaeda, isis does. >> absolutely. neil: general bob scales thank you very much. >> thank you. neil: all right, we have been telling you how the markets doin. opening u a ctainly wt going on withikkei. down simmounts, lot to do with weaconomi mbers. i mentied befe,ght t qualit bonds you seehat is uding a liit, but i stress a littleit. i just nt ts tg.reg rayburn on how businesses handle unexpected events like this. let's say you are planning for your quarter, and a black swan

event, happens that you can't plan for. do people stop buying? heaven por fore forbid, after t.

neil: i want to pass along some good news. not as scary. amber vinson, she's now ebola-free. now pass the danger period and she's okay. we shall see. a quick look at the future's market and the foreign markets. right now they're relatively stable, but coming off the earlier gains they had. i don't like to overanalyze features because they change. but they do often telegraph at least how early trading will go when it resumes. in asia it's already resumed. it usually begins with australia and then japan, then a couple of other japanese market averages and you'll get to hang sang and what have you. the role right now is on the downside following the big drops and most american attacks

following in canada. how do businesses prepare for crisis like these? greg joins us. what do you do? you got your great forecast models, your hunch on how markets will perform, presumably a nut with a gun goes on a potential lone wolf attack and dis does a lot more than physical damage. what do you do? >> neil, there's a huge correlation between what governments do in a situation like today and what businesses do. because it's all at the end of the day about human nature. a smart board and a smart ceo will make sure that their management teams don't get too comfortable. they want to make sure -- and i don't mean they just drive them. they want to make sure that when they're planning and they're planning for business and they're projecting forward, they take into account what the competition might do.

not being too comfortable of what they're doing. get outside the known universal of facts. if you look this weekend of what's happening with mcdonald's and chipotle, it's almost as if the shift that is going on in what people eat is a surprise at mcdonald's. it shouldn't be. they sold climate. they know what they're doing. they've been doing it for years. they haven't that shift. they got comfortable in the way that the canadian government got comfortable with denying a passport for someone who should have had surveillance at that point because nothing like that happened. (?) neil: it's one thing to plan and change a menu that didn't appreciate people are eating healthier and differently, it's quite another to try to plan for an outside terror events. in the interim they don't shop. at least people are too

scared to shop. that's certainly the case across canada where people aren't going out at all. but that's usually short-lived. it doesn't last long. how do you plan for that? >> i would disagree that the impact is short-lived. when you have a fundamental change and you've got comfortable with your business model and someone is coming along disrupting. that disruption will last for some time. you look at what apple does and chipotle does, it happens every day. i'll see business plans on the distress side of the world that fail to take into account what a competitor might or might not be doing. and it became fatal for those companies. neil: to your point, it's that -- we live in a scary world. you got to get used to it. you have to conduct

business approximate normally as you would. you can't factor in these events. you assume they're out there. right? >> you do. and you have to prepare as best as you can. in a business sense in hostess we had the strikes we had tidges plans for security, but there will be still things that happen that you can't foresee. and, again, there's not a lot to do about that. neil: all right. thank you very good to see you. good calming words. greg rayburn. why these images are making voters getting increasingly restless and increasingly worried after this.

neil: all right. a live look at new york's gubernatorial race tonight. front and center for a lot of those candidates as they're going back and forth with each other. governor coe month has a 20-point lead over his

opponent. for new yorkers they don't need reminders of the scary world we live in. on why folks are jittery and why and how maybe what happened in canada could eventually become an issue in a couple of weeks when people vote. what do you think? >> if you look at the polling, after the economy people are concerned mostly about health care. they're concerned about terrorism and the threats of ebola and isis. these are scary stories right now at a time when it's hard to motivate people to go to the polls. this will shake things up a bit. the good news for republicans they seem to have a 22-point margin over democrats when it comes to who is better to protect the country. a ten-point margin when it comes to dealing with international crises. this could tip the scales a little bit for the g.o.p. >> (?) i absolutely agree with sabrina. americans are facing a lot of uncertainty when

it comes to isis and terrorism. what happened today in canada and the attack on monday only really exacerbated those fears. what the polls show us is that americans do see isis as an immanent threat. they don't feel like president obama is leading and they don't trust him to lead. that's going to bleed over to democrats and it's going to hurt them in this election. as sabrina pointed out it's not just isis it's the economy and other big issues that voters don't trust democrats and president obama to lead on. neil: you might be write. but i can also remember when jimmy carter had the hostage rescue mission to get the iranian -- the americans held in iran. when that helicopter crashed in the desert, i distinctly remember when there was a wave of support and understanding for jimmy carter. when people factored

out, oh, my gosh, people are still captured there and this is a failed mission. there was a reassessing curve. i don't remember how long it took, but now we're talking a couple of weeks before the election. not even. i'm wondering if this registers at all. if it equals out and all these other issues that you talked about become primary and not for the time being terror. >> i think you're making a point. there's a parallel here with the obama administration. they're the ones who in effect captured osama bin laden. there was a sense that maybe they were in control. i think as lisa pointed out there seems to be entirely a lack of leadership right now. we don't see the president saying we're at war with radical islam. we don't have a sense that they have a handle on ebola. there seems to be a lot of political posturing. people want to feel that the president is in charge that they're taking the necessary steps to keep us safe. that's what missing from the conversation. neil: i wonder if republicans

are supposed to make big gains. who knows they could take the senate. are they just interpreting that the wrong way, that it's not so much people love republicans as they're not really big fans of democrats or more to the point, the president. could the republicans risk misplaying this. >> i don't think so. neil: they have before. >> hey, i'm not doubting that. i think what you picked up on is the most important. americans are concerned about president obama. i think we faced some very big issues even over the past year alone and president obama has continued to lead from behind. as sabrina pointed out a recent ap poll i think it came out today showed that americans are very concerned about ebola and the problem with that is that president obama continues to lead with a political foot and we just is a saw that with his selecting of the obama czar. he went with someone who was a former chief of staff to biden instead of someone who has expertise to the issues.

neil: i know what you're saying. you could have said that about president bush's bird flu advisor. i hear what you're saying. it's a compilation of fears. >> it's not fears. they're rightfully show. president obama has showed americans he's failed to lead on all the big issues facing our country. neil: i'm going to pull the you down as a maybe on the president. i want to thank you boat. we're pressed for time. after that deadly shooting. this is the first time now in -- what was it ten hours something like that since this first occurred. the first time in ten hours they're finally easing up a little bit here. all military bases remain on all, but lock down and the highest of alerts as do all canadian airports, but at least some of the easing back has started. meanwhile, an ongoing investigation still happening. next, the congressman

with details. maybe on why this happened north of the border and why we should be paying a lot of attention to it on this side of the border. after this.

obama: we don't have enough information yet. so as we understand better exactly what happened, this obviously is something that we'll make sure to factor in in the ongoing efforts that we have to counter terrorist attacks in our country. neil: all right. so once again, some of the president's critics are coming down on him for immediately not labeling this a terrorist attack. many others are saying you don't want to falsely alarm people. we have seen a pattern of this. congressman patrick says washington should know how to respond to this sort of development especially when we do see a pattern. very good to have you, sir. what can you share with us? what do you know? >> well, neil let's begin. you have a convert to

islam. you have somebody who's passport was pulled. you have a military target all the characters of what you would call an act of terrorism and likely the kind of lone wolf act of terrorism that we have been talking about as a possibility for quite some time and most significantly since our reengagement with isil. (?) neil: i'm wondering if there's a counter strategy. whether connected or not whether lone wolf or not, congressman, they always seek out authorities in uniform whether it be be military and, of course, there could be policeman. why is that? and what do you -- how do you think isil is changing its strategy? >> i think it's probably to symbolically strike back at the very people we feel are our protectors. i spoke to a few of my colleagues that i know from the parliament up

in canada, they got a deep sense of concern about the family, you know, for the officer who lost his life -- or, the military man who lost his life. cirillo. but he symbolizes the protection of our -- neil: what do you think canadians are urging -- we got this in -- not only are military bases on high alert. military personnel are told to stop wearing uniforms when ever they leave the base and not to stop anywhere as they do. is that getting in in a sense to the bad guys? >> it's not getting in. it's making sure you don't make yourself a target of opportunity. you want to decrease the possibility of anybody looking for patterns of activity to identify easily those patterns of activity. so there's no giving in.

i would suggest quite the opposite. it's making it more difficult for somebody who is looking to try to find a way to act out on them to do so. neil: i'm wondering, what would we do in that event? what should we do? should we be -- we could debate whether this is isis or lone wolves. there is a lot of this stuff happening. what do we do? what kind of you prawrgs measures should we be taking? >> we have to live our lives. one of the things they're trying to do is to create hysteria which is greater than the actual impact of what has been done. i don't minimize the loss of life for that brave soldier in any way, shape, or form, but this is not 9/11 taking down an entire building. these events are designed to create terror or hysteria or concern in our population. neil: i'm sorry. if you think about it.

if you do enough of these attacks in countries not expecting them happen. australia a few weeks ago, canada now, you kind of unnerve everybody, don't you? >> i suspect you you do. after a period of time, they start is to lose their impact as well. i think back what was happening in england a decade ago where you would start to see a pattern of activities. you see israel living with the daily implications of these things. the civilization sort of steals itself to be stronger in the face of it. neil: do you know or can you share whether thi goes beyond the man who has been allegedly fingered as the guy who orchestrated these attacks today? >> not what i can say with any authority. i think earlier what was being reported, we believed and we saw information that it might be tied to terrorism. what will happen, my sense, they'll go back

through the computers and other kinds of things that might have been around there looking whether there was other communications. we'll find out more forensically in the next 48 hours than we know today. neil: thank you for taking the time. we were talking to the congressman here. we're following asia stocks that continue to fall. oil prices that continue to fall. and a host of currencies that are falling. the one holding up so far, so good, the us dollar. i've often said, in the a world of midgets, we still stand tall. it says something when everyone gets jittery, we get going. isis, look at all the killing, beheading, and now stoning women. you see this in syria where a father stoned his own daughter to death with other muslim males. and somehow, they're saying twitter is the

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neil: all right. this one struck me as odd especially on a day like this. saudi arabia's top muslim -- is calling twitter a source of evil. i thought is this another fox attack from the left? no, talking about twitter. and this on a day we're seeing this released video of a woman being stoned to death. and one of those stoning her, her dad. okay. and twitter is the problem? jihad director robert experience. robert. what do you think? >> well, you know, neil

it's completely consistent on the part of the man in saudi arabia. he's saying he's completely in favor of things like stoning and beheading and those kinds of things. they're in islamic law. mohammed practiced them. he's not going to object to that. what he objects to is the word getting out that these things are getting down. that fanders islam. slander is not telling lies about someone else it's telling truths about them that they don't want known. that's what bothers them about twitter. he should be worried about twitter more than the stoning because the stoning is islamic law, but it should all be kept under the cover of darkness, not talked about. neil: i guess what will surprise most folks are how jihad are able to recruit women like these

young american female. you'd think if they would see this video, they would say, i don't want to be there. >> yeah, absolutely. but the appeal that the islamic state has for young people in the -- young muslims in the west, it claims to be the restoration of the k56789 caliphate. there hasn't been sufficient discussion about how extraordinarily potent how this idea is among muslims worldwide. we've never seen this kind of recruitment this big. the islamic state has this. they're able to hold out that they are the ideal place for a muslim to live that's appealing to young muslim women as it is to young muslim men. neil: is this why you don't see much criticism of the mane mainstream to attack these extreme measures that are taken, or is there just, you know, we don't talk about it kind of a

deal? >> yeah. well, you know, to be sure there have been condemnations of the islamic state from the hamas council and other major muslim groups. what they're not doing is having any kind of organized program to teach young muslim why they should reject this kind of doctrine. you have the converts the other day who did the hit-and-run attack on the canadian soldier in canada before the gunshots, the gunfire attacked today. and this convert to islam. nobody is asking, well, where did they learn about this? why didn't the mosque teach him it was the wrong thing of islam. there's no such program in any mosque in the united states, canada, or anywhere else. neil: scary stuff. thank you very much for joining us. we very much appreciate it, robert. as robert was speaking we're hearing a little bit more from the canadians who heard from prime minister stephen harper that they will remain vigilant against

terror. i'm having this passed along from canada's foreign minister who in a television conversation with john kerry said my message is this is why we are with you. this only makes our inherit resolve stronger, referring to canada's support of the us and that u.s.-led airstrike campaign that canada will not ease from that or be intimidated from supporting that. that if any move today was to scare canadians out of that alliance, it did not work. from canada's prime minister and its foreign minister as well. we have "the independents" here. their fine show. it normally buttresses into this hour. you know, what is interesting, guys. throughout this hour, i've been talking to folks who is, well, this is a reason why we maybe

dumping too much on the nsa. we're going too aggressively after this folks who were just trying to look after us. these are scary times. kennedy: i think the ultimate argument against that is this spying on american citizens on innocent american citizens actually takes away from the scope of what the nsa should be doing, which is targeting people who are real threats and when the net is so vast, and you're going after so many people, it's impossible for you to narrow your scope and find those people who are really truly threatening the homeland. neil: some of the nefarious characters we had in this country as we did in australia. >> the boston bombers fell through that. and you referenced in this moment people make these calls. during the boston bombing everybody wanted to give the police more power and let's do all this kind of stuff. we sent 19,000 national

guards man to lock down a major american citizen. only after did people at the time say, maybe that was a little overkill here. maybe that's not the best way to get the suspect at the moment. neil: what do you think of what they did in canada? only now they're loosening up on the lock down. >> it's difficult to second guess their decisions on the ground there. are there secondary threats? there could be. neil: how do you get that information? >> you have to be and that is just it, you have to a lot of what we saw after 9/11 where these various agencies were these various agencies spending this money, whether or not those programs are actually effective is another thing entirely. kennedy: or whether or not they were legal or bloated and fat, billions of dollars after 9/11,. neil: we can get a lot more cliché.

kennedy: they do, absolutely. but there is a way of having a national security apparatus that is more efficient and it is more thing. it doesn't mean we have to know every terrorist who is being targeted or every suspected person who could be a threat. the way it is now and the way it came into being, we will never know the full scope of that. what we are learning, it is -- it's bone chilling. >> is there something to be said, perhaps for a program where we're fighting the war on terrorism. are we competing for resources when we're finding targets to drone strike rather than looking at domestic targets at home. neil: we always get more rational later. just like the market. ask questions later. hold on a second. these fine folks are taking you through a great hour. they've been gracious and understanding enough in light of today's developments to share in our collective fox coverage of what went