cheryl: continue to cover breaking news on fox business. melissa francis over to you. melissa: we have breaking news. two window washers trapped on faulty scaffolding on the so you side of the building they're dangling approximately 69 stories above the ground. a rescue effort is currently underway to retrieve the stranded workers. the port authority leading a response team along with more than 60 firefighters on the scene. no injuries are reported right now. this scaffolding is being described as tethered and secured. the first employees you remember, started working at the freedom tower just last week. let's bring in today's panel. fox business's charlie

gasparino. james freeman is here from the "wall street journal." "forbes" contributor rick unger is with us as well. wow, the fdny just tweeting out this picture. we're going to show it to you, a look from the inside. there. at the scaffolding hanging. can you imagine two people are stranded on this. >> my dad was a construction worker. worked on the original trade center. went up on scaffolds, maybe not that high, but fairly high. i will say this, when we sit around on this network and talk about unions, denigrate all unions, there is a reason why there are unions for jobs like this. these are very, very, labor intensive scary jobs. you need some sort of a way to make sure your workers are not taken advantage. i'm not saying these guys were. that's why there are coal miners worker unions. my dad was iron worker union is you get a union lesson out of this. >> this is why, because that is the work they do, that the private sector unions are

starting to get so angry with the public unions. >> you're right about that. >> who don't -- get more benefits and more job security. >> i agree. >> we all agree. >> that is definitely it. my old man, my dad was a democrat but was a reagan democrat. why was he a reagan democrat? he saw the way the republican party denigrating men like this, a lot of them were veterans. they did not get the same benefits as you got, if you went to work pushing paper up in albany. >> right. >> there is the difference. these guys do very dangerous jobs and i just, you know, our thoughts and prayers -- >> we can agree government needs to be smaller. that is the lesson. >> really you? get that from this. >> i'm not sure i get that from this. i think we agree i hope they have a way of getting -- >> you can see movement on the scaffolding right now. the two men that are trapped there. i can't imagine how terrifying this is. >> these guys have, i know a lot of these guys, i grew up, when i was a kid i went up and did this

stuff. these are men and there are some women that do this stuff, that have you know what of steel. these are some of the bravest people in the world. >> no doubt. >> they have, i would think, that right now these guys are figuring out a way to get, listen, our prayers are with them. but these guys, if anybody gets out of this -- melissa: i'm reading reports saying windows are not removable which makes sense. >> right. melissa: the plan or one of the plans that is being floated trying to break the windows, get them back inside. >> what i don't understand in this day and age with technology, you would think it would have a fail-safe mechanism. melissa: fail-safe mechanism that it didn't fall. >> or would think that we didn't need men -- >> didn't fall. >> can they lower something from the roof? >> canned they send out another one? >> i imagine all of these ideas are being explored at this moment. but 69 floors up. just incredible. so terrifying. terrifying in regular circumstances. much less, something where

something has gone wrong and as precarious as it is right now. just really, wow, something we're definitely keeping an eye on here. former new york pd detective tom russ skin is on the phone right now. tom, an amazing situation. what do you think are some of the plans going through the mind of folks trying to solve this humongous problem? >> well the office of emergency management for the mayor and the police department's emergency service and fire department's rescue units are now probably approaching those floors to determine what they're going to do and how they're going to get those workers off the stuck scaffold. there is safety procedures already in place and that is why the guise are hanging, hanging there in that precarious situation. but they're safe at this point in time. now it is a matter, do you fracture a window and pull them in through a window? do you have emergency service

officers repel down and secure the scaffolding and then somehow raise it up? but that is all the different considerations that are now going on. melissa: why do you say they're safe at this point in time? to us, to the naked eye it looks like it is dangling. >> it is dangling and secure, not flopping around in the wind or anything else. >> right. >> it has safety cords attached to it and guys also have safety belts attached to it. that's why they're not dangling at this point in time. there are procedures that have been set up over these different tragedies that have happened that have stopped anyone else from being seriously hurt or killed. melissa: you say one of the options is to repel down from the top? >> it would be either repel down from the stop or fracture a window, a floor or two above and then repel down from there. or, fracture a window right where they are and pull them through. the problem is, i don't know what the windows are made of in

this new building and i don't know what the ramifications would be to break a window. remember there are people below. you have to secure the plaza below, to make sure that no one was hit with shards of glass or whatever it is may out of as it falls down. >> mr. ruskin, it is charlie gasparino. >> hey, charlie. >> how are you. if they broke the window, talking about 60 stories up, it might be hard to, there is a whole, there is a whole other dynamic when you're that high up when you start breaking windows. seems to me that -- >> weapons. >> seems to me like their best chance would be to secure it and hoist it up, don't you think? >> thiazol things that are being can considered, but to charlie's point which is very good point, tough take into account the wind in that area. as we all know in the area of the trade center the wind blow wildly. so anything you break could

fling, blocks away. and you don't want to see anyone else hurt or killed. >> during 9/11, people were killed and injured by glass. that is one of the main things that killed people on the ground. >> good news, apparently what i'm seeing on broadcasting watching on the channel, it appears that the scaffolding is secured. it is not flopping around which would bring it to a different level of i am immediate sy to deal with it. so it looks like, you know, they're going to have to look, do they send something down? do they have other officers repel. remember we also have aviation units that could be utilized for something like this and do that type of rescue. the problem it is so close to the building you can't get the copter in there. >> tom, i don't know if you know the answer to the question.

you look at risk you're taking doing this sort of job. we talk about unions that try to secure benefits for these folks. what does somebody who does that job what do they make? do you have any idea? >> i would guess they're not highest paid workers in the city of new york. their unions will like what i have to say. i think they're underpaid for what they do. but they are very skilled at what they do and they do go through these emergency procedures. melissa: okay. we're getting word, fox is confirming right now there is a second scaffolding coming down the side of the building. >> so they're going to pull them up. melissa: what does that say to you, tom? >> what they will probably do, make the second scaffolding adjacent to it. they will put the workers in the second scaffolding and get them out of there. and then they will try to secure the other scaffolding thereafter. melissa: what kind of a high wire trick is it to move from dangling scaffolding to the new one being sent down? >> it's a little bit of a

manuever but, as i said, emergency service officers, who are the specialized police officers and the fire rescue officers, are trained in this. they do drills in how to do these type of rescues. so they're very trained in it. >> not only that, tom, these gentlemen stuck in, there would you say there are two of them, they're trained in it. they don't go up there because they don't know how to manuever. that is the one, that is the one thing that is positive here. they're actually know what they're doing, these guys. melissa: you make a great point. it is amazing we have send humannings into this condition. >> i would just say this? melissa: there is a not shot. what if you're looking at, that is the second scaffolding, fox has confirmed being lowered in order to rescue the first scaffolding which is dangling at about the 69th floor. it contains two window washers. it is hanging right now. they are stuck and trying to rescue these folks. charlie, go ahead. >> and that's a very slow,

gradual process to lower that scaffolding it is not something that we're going to see solved in minutes. it is going to take a while. and remember, our emergency responders are risking their lives to go down to rescue these other people who are trapped. >> the point, and tom makes a great point this will go on for a couple hours. take as while for that thing to come down. you know, i said this on the show. i don't know why we built that tower, it was symbol of defiance to the terrorist that we can rebuild. i just wonder why we need buildings this big? i, you know, you know, just personally, as someone who kind of lived through 9/11. if it wasn't for a doctor's appointment and i was downtown. i wasn't far away from it i would being working right by the place. i worked at the world financial center across the street. i wonder why we need a building this big? >> tom, what do you think? >> i think charlie's right in

the way that, you know, it was an act of defiance but i think that, in a free society we should be able to build any building we can and take every proper precaution to stop a terrorist attack. from someone right below the south tower when the second plane hit. melissa: go ahead, james. >> i wouldn't say the lesson is not necessarily to put height limits on buildings but it is reminder we enjoy the great symbol of our resilience i would call it and we enjoy this beautiful city, it comes at a cost and requires people to do -- melissa: you don't have to visit there if you don't want to. >> do we really need buildings? >> they would have tenants. >> is it complete? like i said my dad worked on trade center. >> still a lost empty floors. starting to fill up lately. melissa: one at a time. >> before 9/11 you had some empty floors, maybe a lot of them. >> a lot of them in those

towe a lot of them. >> i think market will eventually tell us that question. but i think, that obviously, it doesn't, the building does not have to be that tall for this to be very dangerous situation. >> right. >> rather than saying let's rethink cities and rethink building it is a moment to appreciate the work that they do. all that in, we were sort of going back and forth on unions. the, police, government employees are now rescuing them. melissa: somebody sent me, i don't know the source if the is bureau of labor statistics, new york, new york, yearly window washer pay statistic is 31,000 to 47,000. >> not a lot of money. melissa: also hearing they're cutting through the window right now as we speak. they're trying to cut through the windows. >> as you can see, they are cutting away the window. , in the lower portion of the scaffolding there and may decide that the scaffolding, being lowered is too slow a pros test. this is easier way to get them

out. >> you can see it. >> i still think that we need to think why, rethink. listen there are zoning order din nances. this is not purely the free market at work. there are zoning, you can't build a football stadium near a park or whatever. you can but there is zoning, i'm just saying, my point, why do we need -- >> would they even support it? i would urge people not to look at them victims at the moment. although they're in tough situation. people who like what they do, and it is important what -- [all talking at once] >> why do we need off? why not 30? a lot easier. >> from 30? >> still easier. >> guaranty, being on top of the 15th story in the middle after 30-story build something lot less dangerous than the. >> they're pulling this in. melissa: we're watching as they're pulling the window.

they have cut through the window. they're making progress. talk to us what is going on? >> what they're doing they're making sure they're secure. they don't want to have anything happen between the window where they have broken it and scaffolding. they're slowly pulling each guy n they have to undo his heart harness once he is in. just to bring it into terms. these guys are earning about $15, $16 an hour up. >> amazing. melissa: wonder what is going through their mind right now? >> they're scared but they're not scared to the point, listen, these guys are used to tremendous heights. they start at 102 and they worked their way down to the 80th floor so they're not scared. and they do train for this. the scaffold and window washers. >> i do wonder if our viewers are giving any thought to the fact that these guys earn 15, as tom just said, 16 bucks an hour and yet have to listen to everybody complain about them being in the union? >> well, not everybody

complains. i clearly don't because my old man was one of those. melissa: you don't mow that everybody complains about them being in the union. i'm not sure that is exactly fair statement. >> about public employees. not about these guys. there is no debate about these guys. >> actually there is a lot of debate about private unions and many people don't appreciate what private unions did in the past. >> there is different unionizing walmart workers and might get a paper cut and these guys. >> i hear that. melissa: i, back to charlie's point about the tenants, this is conde nast's floor. they're the anchor tenant in this building. they put their names out there, kind of went in first where their employees started, their name has really been associated with those willing to go back in and be a part of this building charlie you point out, goes up in place of a building that came down as a target, always been a target. >> i think there is legitimate debate whether we need buildings

this big and this tall. what is the utility for them? is there really market demand for them? are the safety hazards, do they outweigh the benefits? i don't know what the benefits are, other than saying we'll build another building that big and -- melissa: tom, talk for a second. >> let me just tell you one thing. falling from a 30 story building or 69 floors is not a good fall. so either way, if we have a 30-story building, i don't think that is the debate. >> but, tom, say they were on the 15th story. i'm not saying falling. it is an easier extraction of these guys, when it gets higher up, you know that. >> it is same honestly, 30 floors, 60 floors, 80 floors, same extraction. but what you're seeing here -- >> somebody is going inside. >> taking the guys one by one. you're seeing there are ropes to the roof. window washer safety ropes to the roof. if the scaffolding had totally

given they still would be hanging there. melissa: seems like we saw one of the workers go off the scaffolding. did he get all the way inside? >> looks like they're unharnessing him. >> right inside, the rope has so much leeway and so much gap in it, once you get them in you have to unharness them or cut it. melissa: i can't imagine what the suction like at that level. >> that is why, but that is why it is more dangerous the higher you go. >> higher you go. >> that is true. >> tom, how often does something like this happen do you think? >> this high up very rarely but there have been other cases. i know that responded to one years ago on 67th and 2nd where one of the guys was not harnessed properly and did lose his life. the other guy was rescued. it happens, it doesn't happen as often you would think. melissa: is there another way to wash these windows? i think these guys would be

furious. >> with a canopy but they would lose their jobs. melissa: they would be furious if they heard us saying that as they risk their lives looking to replace them with somebody not a human being. >> rethink why we need buildings. just listen from target. >> this is dramatic incident. you don't rethink design of cities. there are various for reasons, people in centuries gathered. >> why do we need 60 stories not even filled. melissa: guys, let's, all right. fox business's adam shapiro is on the scene right now. adam, are you there? what do you see? >> hey, melissa. we're over by the memorial area now that this has all opened up. you can see the scaffolding quite clearly, on the south side of the buildings. we're on the south side obviously of lower manhattan. think producer was saying from the helicopter shot, you can see the scaffold cleaners were being rescued. someone earlier mentioned this

kind of thing being a rare event. i remember covering one of these in twix at the hirsch build 2006 not far from 21st century fox headquarters. this happens from time to time. there are tourists from all over the world who come to this part of manhattan to take in the area. this is very calm. they closed off the memorial area where you can get. that has yellow tape up to keep people back. melissa: what does it look like from the ground? >> from the ground it looks very frightening if you happen to be one of two people on scaffolding. everybody is very calm. yellow tape around entire memorial plaza to keep people away. looks as if they have access to one world trade center still open so you can get in and out of the building but on this southern side you don't get near it. melissa: obviously will be really windy at that height. what is it like on the ground right now? >> not too much after wind. nice day, other than being overcast. not too much wind. i don't know what the wind would

be at 69th floor either. melissa: we're getting word that the second window washer has now been rescued and gone in. you can see there just to the side of the scaffolding that its dangling, you can see where they cut that hole in the glass. that is where we saw the first and then the second window washer get off of that scaffolding and go inside. they have both been rescued at this point. earlier they were lowering another scaffolding at the same time ostensibly to rescue them. that had to be backup plan as they were working on this idea of cutting the window and getting them inside. but what had to be really terrifying situation lyms like now is resolved. they just have to retract the scaffolding that is dangling right now. is for sure a danger at that height should anything happen. what do you think, james? >> kudos to the first-responders who pulled this off basically we'll weave been talking for a few minutes. very prompt and effective action

i'm not sure if nypd or the fire department. clearly, getting back to our government thing. melissa: yeah. >> fire department, police, military, these institutions all seemed to work pretty well. may be a question for another day why other agencies can't work as well. >> well it is new york city police department which i grew up with a lot of cops and you know, they're the best-trained. new york city fire department is among the best trained. our emergency workers are among the best-trained. these guys, and women, that operate at the highest levels of their of what they do and, you know, it is, thank god we have them. >> i hope new yorkers are watching so they see how efficient our first-responders are in this city. melissa: it was a really short period of time. we were thinking and told it was going to take some time to get this rescue underway. >> when they broke the glass its faster way. to bring the thing down would have been forever, relatively speaking. melissa: okay. all right. as we said before, if you're

just joining us these were two window washers were at the 69th floor. they have been pulled inside thankfully. they are rescued. we'll have more "money" coming up.

melissa: just minutes ago, two window washers who were dangling at the 69th floor above the ground at one world trade center, were rescued. they were pulled inside of the window safely. former new york pd detective, nypd detective tom ruskin is on the phone with us. tom, what do they do with this contraption thousand that it is dangling there? >> they have to secure it. one of the ways they secure it, you pull a line inside of the room and hold it against the building. you don't want it flapping around and any chance of

breaking and falling. you send down another basket later on to start pulling it up with a different winch. they will slowly pull it up along the side of the building or let it down. melissa: how long do you think it will take? >> it could take hours now. no immediate rush moving any quicker than is safely able to be done. so at this point in time, if takes an hour or two hour, you want to try to do it by dark. melissa: tom ruskin, at that thank you so much for jumping into the fold and guiding us. we appreciate all the expertise in this area. we're glad we had a good outcome. meanwhile bringing congress back. lawmakers in the nation's capitol are returning to work at this very moment. turns out a large majority of americans want the new gop-led congress, not the president to set the country's again today. that is according to a new "gallup poll." let me ask our guests what do you think about that, charlie gasparino? >> for all the talk from the left that this was not a referendum election it actually was. the problem with president

obama, when he brings up that 2/3 of people didn't show up, well, that's right. he did not make his base enthuse asic or a lot of people are not enthuse astick about president obama and those that were enthuse astick voted against hip. this is real problem for democratic party. i will say what the election underscored, and there is been really good reporting, the alleged democratic advantage the democrats have is not that much of an advantage when you peel it back. republicans prove if you don't try to nominate, nut jobs, wing nuts, if you put up moderate conservatives -- melissa: will they have a mandate or what will they do, james? >> i think they will. most immediate impact will be on the legislation they have to deal with over the next few weeks which is funding the government. they will do a short term extension and set priors next year. americans by even bigger majorities of that want extension of internet tax moratorium.

expiring december 11th. better chance it goes forward. melissa: rick, real quick, your comment? >> i agree with what charlie said. that it was a wave and no arguing it but i don't agree, a, this will last very long. >> how do you know? >> we'll see. it never does. >> no, it does when you have rational people stop -- melissa: wait a minute. >> get to the important point. i particularly disagree this tells us anything different about demographics. >> no, it did. >> wait. are very, very different who show up -- >> do you that he gentleman from colorado, i forgot his name. >> cory gardner. >> did well with hispanics. women. >> women who generally vote -- no. melissa: let's move on. uncertainty of the internet's future causing at&t to suspend plans to invest in new high speed connections, it marks the first significant corporate retaliation of president obama's calls to protect an even playing field among content providers on

the web. this comes on the heels of a "washington post" report that the fcc chairman told web giants the agency will not cave to pressure from the white house on this issue. james, you mentioned it. you go first. >> yeah. i think there is still a big danger that he partially caves and doesn't go all the way toward what the president sketched out, which is putting old-fashioned telephone regulation on to the internet. >> suggested that as much. >> you about the at&t action is totally predictable. now, in fairness, part of this is at&t seeing some opportunities overseas. they were already maybe souring a little bit on the u.s. but what the president has done here is suggest a massive change, overturning decade of policy to let the internet largely grow unmolested by washington. >> why doesn't someone start explaining what net neutrality is? that means anybody, any, any sort of content provider could have access through somebody else's property. okay, now how do you get rid of

net fault. you could have the create this, and make utility. net neutralitity. >> or, or, let me make the point. melissa: you should be able to pay for it. >> want real net neutralitity let the market work that's what we're getting. >> one, everybody has to remember and they don't all they the fcc chairman may have been a contributor to obama, he was also a cable company lobbyist for most of his life. >> why did he get appointed by a democrat. >> part of the pressure campaign. >> let me ask y'all one simple question. if youtube who will be a big beneficiary if we lose neutrality, if youtube starting out -- >> youtube will be benefiting if we lose neutrality? >> no, higher speed. >> google is a big beneficiary. >> pick one you like. like google. let me make the point. melissa: real quick. we have to wrap it up. >> would google take the position now they're going to take if they were the big guy on the block if they were starting their business tomorrow.

>> let me make the one point. >> too many googles, if we overturn the requirement to allow -- >> how are they like it. melissa: okay. >> guess what, google starting its own fiber-optic network without neutrality. melissa: we'll keep arguing but leave it there. just when you thought being called stupid was enough, more fallout from obamacare architect, jonathan gruber. usually yes, but i don't think today as insults to the american people keep coming. dramatic story of "the man who killed usama bin laden." if you missed the fox news special last night, you want to stick around. "piles of money" coming right up.

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gruber. he says democrats played with the language foiling the stupid american voter. take a laugh. take a laugh. that was hysterical. he tried to explain it away. that is the second video. >> this is a massive fraud. it was perpetrated as much on democratic legislatures. they jammed the bill through at

the midnight hour. he thought it was okay to widen the american people because we were too stupid to appreciate all the good. melissa: he makes the point that they had to fool around with the score so it would not be obvious on the face. i do not think you need that to understand. >> what he said was ridiculous. melissa: i don't think we know that. >> i know the people. i have been speaking to them all day long. it was wrong. we forget that established.

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catalog, there is a big campaign running right now were the main character able men larger than the skinny models you normally see in commercials. do you want to reflect who we are or what we want to be, what is more successful? >> fashion as an aspirational reflected in the sizes, but they are realizing the consumer isn't wanting the aspirational. for this the calvin klein ad, yes, she is plus size but this came out a month ago and she is still very thin. melissa: absolutely. >> this is not a controversy. they didn't take any risk here. they put a size 10 woman who is not overweight kid if this happened 10 years ago it would have been a big thing, now it actually works against you if you try to put somebody who is

too perfect. melissa: americans want, they can relate to, not this image of what they have to be. that is all we have for you, i hope you are making money. "countdown to the closing bell" starts right now. liz: once again as firefighters just minutes ago launched a dramatic rescue of two window washers dangerously dangling above one world trade center at lower manhattan. both members now safe after members broke the window and yanked them into safety. folks were glued to their tv channel. whether you are in favor of policing the internet, having paid superhighways are free access to all, we just saw the first significant fallout from the debate as at&t announc i