these committee assignments coming out of washington for for the senate. it will be a very different world. and we'll spell it out for you tomorrow. in the meantime, stay well. stay safe. see you tomorrow. stossel: how many of you guys with women have learned that no means yes? is limbaugh an evil sexist after all everyone knows. >> no always means no. >> but maybe it doesn't. >> so that means no or does that mean try again in a minute. >> try again in a minute. >> i agree. try again in a minute. >> what is consent for sex. could a app help. >> just launch the app. >> everyone should have to sign a consent form like this one. >> is the new pick up line will be, oh, baby check that box. >> my producer found many students who thought this was reasonable. >> just to make sure

there was no ambiguity. >> sure. i would can are it. >> some websites encourage cheating. life is short, have an affair. >> we're told kids have much more sex. >> the statistics are horrifying. they're so frightening. >> but is that true? >> i've had nine partners. >> sex that's our show tonight. stossel: california recently passed the law that says before a college student may initiate sex, he or she must get affirmative consent. so what does that mean? it's another stupid government intrusion into private life says tim of the national review. >> julie, author of a book subtitled why feminism is not a dirty word says there's a culture of rape on campuses and therefore the law is a good idea. there's a culture of

rape? >> yeah, i think rape culture is incredibly pervasive in this day and age. sexualized violence is the norm. we're taught that women or anyone who is being perpetrated against can prevent sexual assault. and that's -- stossel: how is this the norm. >> this is how we're raised. this is how we're socialized based on gender. we're taught that men should pursue any sexual action they see fit and women must always be policing them and theirselves in terms of their sexuality. i think the yes means yes bill tries to establish an equilibrium. stossel: no one is for sexual assault. >> this law is insane. all it does is so you can convict people without proving what happened. >> we have to look at this law as a first step. >> so you want more steps? >> i think we have to look at it as a preventative measure, i

think governments and institutions intervening is very reactionary. stossel: because of this epidemic of rape? >> yeah. stossel: but why the epidemic of rape. here's the chart of rape in america has been going down. >> one in five college women -- stossel: so think about that. one in five women. >> there is actually a dispute about that study, but what also is very important to consider is that there are a lot of rapes that go unreported because of this rape culture. stossel: but this one in five statistic is just nuts. >> does it have to be one in five to be a serious issue. >> the government has no right to say, this is how you have to have sex. if you don't say, yes, according to this law if you have a boyfriend forever and he goes from kissing to more with you which understandably so traumatic, you can could you see him of sexual assault. how is that okay? stossel: he's broken the law.

>> i think when two people are approaching a situation, there should be the affirmation of consent. you shouldn't take this for granted. framing this culture where yes is always implied is detrimental to women. >> you create laws so people have to follow them, if they don't they're punished. that's what laws are for. >> this law is the way to reframe the way we talk about sexual assault in this country and advocating for more consent -- stossel: what if the woman wants to be quiet during sex. >> that's why we have to rethink sex and what consent means. stossel: but he'd be breaking the law. >> i don't think being affirmative and conscious has to be screaming. >> creating all these problems to do something that the law can't accomplish anyway. people aren't just these nice guys running around because they don't know they're raping people. they don't realize it. whether it's you have to

say no or you can't say no or you have to say yes, yes, no, rapists don't care because they're rapists. >> that's why we have to look at these measures as a first step in the consent education. >> what other steps. >> implementing education. >> we have enough sexual education on college campuses. >> we don't actually. stossel: you talked about what concept is, but california law says silence does not mean consent. affirmative consent must be ongoing throughout the sexual activity. i mean, to me that sounds like a romance killer. >> well, i think it's actually incredibly romantic to know you're not raping someone or violating. >> i think you know that. stossel: you wrote an article that says this is insulting for women. it implies women are too weak to say no to sex. >> this is implying that women can never say no because they're

helpless. >> women are socialized to be passive and to be policing themselves. >> to allow themselves to be assaulted rather than just say no. i don't buy that at all. >> there are a lot of factors in the way that young women are raised. >> this will not allow themselves to be raped and that's the government's responsibility to jump in and save them from that. >> these institutions and policies are a way to -- stossel: so government is in there now. comedian david chappelle saw this coming a decade ago. he ran this skit on his tv show. >> these days you can never be too sure whether they're dispute whether the sex was consential. this night calls for the love contract. >> what's this. >> this is a document that you're a willing participant in this sexual experiment. >> well, i am. >> sign here and here. stossel: seems like the next

step on campus. so the stossel drew up a comfirmative consent form. this would be signed by the initiateiating sexual pattern and the noninitiateiating. it governs hand holding, sex so on. i took it to columbia university to see if students approved of it. no, i didn't. so i sent producer ricky. >> maybe this will help classify any misunderstandings in the dorm room sign this form. she agrees you're engaged in these activities. >> no. >> definitely would kill the mood. i wouldn't want to be in the relationship with that person or anybody. >> just a comment. >> complete nudity. biblical relations. >> this one searcher all oeveryone ison the same laws.

>> what struck me about this experiment is that this form was an absurd joke. >> is the new pick up line be will you check that box. >> few students laughed. both men and women believe there is a sexual assault crisis and colleges should have more rules. >> i think columbia's policies are too relaxed. >> do you think they involve themselves too much in your sex life. >> no, not enough. >> something needs to be done. i'm not sure that this is the right way. >> it could come to this. i would hope it would not come to this. at this rate, who knows. stossel: julie, these are your people. this is your school. there is somebody called mattress girl. >> it's a performance art piece, but response to the that she was assaulted sexually. she found that the

institution where she went to school and was supposed to be looking out for her and have her best interest ultimately did not. she's trying to raise awareness. >> she complained that interest was waning in her mattress project and no one is helping her carry her mattress. >> there is overwhelming support. she's given survivors confidence. stossel: now, there is a real life app tha that accompanies pe to establish consent. >> welcome to good2go, a simple sexual consent mobile phone app for ios phones. if you want to ask your partner if they want to consent to sexual activity. your partner is presented with a question, are you good to go. if the partner chooses are you good to go. they have to tell their sobriety level. if they pick pretty

wasted. it changes to no thanks. stossel: you cannot consent if you're drunk. without alcohol, there wouldn't have been much sex. now i'm told alcohol is forbidden. >> there's a level of intoxication that we have to be aware of. the idea of externalizing to teach people they can't perpetrate violence against them. >> they absolutely. do. people aren't just confused when they're raping somebody or not. that's just not the case. stossel: can you give consent if you've been drinking? are you going to tell me -- my understanding is columbia policy is if she's been drinking that's an assault, she can't give >> consent is situationally specific. stossel: the columbia rule is ridiculous. >> i think it's about consent is situationally specific and mutually agreed upon. stossel: the rule isn't stupid.

>> it's part of the victim blaming culture to assume that a woman is drinking she's available. stossel: columbia is assuming she's helpless. i like the cover story that it's the new vic attorney era they're fainting victims of the male sex drive. >> so insulting that we need the government to potentially -- women are so helpless. they can't say, no, they don't want to have sex with somebody. >> i don't think it's about being helpless. it's the way in which women are raised and taught to police themselves in this country. >> they're taught to be helpless? it sounds like the definition of helpless to me. no, i just said it. stossel: me too. we won't solve this here today. to join this argument. follow me on twitter. use that hashtag sex ed or like my facebook page.

post on my wall. next, our game show. real or fake. i'll test "the independents" to tell if which laws are real. in mississippi you can be sentenced up to five years in jail for seussing a woman by promising marriage. that rule or fake?

stossel: it's time to play real or fake. government routinely creates stupid laws. what they legislate about sex is no different. let's see if fox business host kmele foster, kennedy, and matt welch can figure out which sex laws are real and which my staff and i made up. we invite you to play along at home. you can be sentenced for up to five years in jail in mississippi for seducing a woman -- let me finish -- by promising marriage. >> you had me in mississippi. stossel: it is real. however, she has to be of previous chaste character, of course. >> oh, yes.

matt: is there testing. stossel: i'm sure there's some standard for chaste character. >> she's fast. stossel: in montana, it's illegal to have sex while your pet is in the room. yeah, that's pretty weird. and that was fake, in fact. >> but i do try to avoid that just in general. [laughter] stossel: your pet appreciates that. in massachusetts, sex between unmarried individuals is illegal. >> one real two fakes. kmele gets it right. boom. not just massachusetts, but georgia, idaho, north and south carolina. and mississippi. >> unreal. >> they should sunset laws once a century. stossel: of course, they don't lock people up for fornicating and most people have sex before marriage. >> they do if you do it right. stossel: what's the harm of these laws they're not enforced? >> if you have the right

partner and a good pair of handcuffs -- >> if there is a disfavored minority of whatever prosecutorial discretion can be we don't like you so we'll use this bizarre law against you. stossel: a good reason to sunset these laws before a bad cop can run you over. in north dakota it's against the law if a woman dpleses a way that promotes reckless sex. stossel: you guys are right. kmele got this wrong. made that one wrong. >> i like that reckless sex. i like the term your staff chose. stossel: in utah it's against the law for parents to allow your children to overhear you having sex. >> oh. stossel: we made that one up. kmele approximate figured that out. stossel: in virginia it's illegal to drive anyone to

anyplace if you think that person may be going there for elicit sex. you think that's real? and it is. >> it's virginia. virginia is for lovers. they've had a lot of notorious sex laws over the years. >> it's not the part-time lovers though. stossel: in texas, you may not own more than six sex toys. stossel: kmele gets that one. >> really? stossel: six or more obscene devices -- >> okay them horns. stossel: with intent to distribute the same. >> wow, that could be dangerous. you don't want an unlicensed person distributing sex toys. stossel: kmele you won. congratulations. matt was second. you were last. thank you for playing. coming up, pornography, kids having sex, and the weird new world of online dating.

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>> kids nowadays think of sex as just something to do. >> kids have sex earlier than we ever did. >> it's a lot more open now than it was back then. stossel: that's sure what i've heard. more kids have sex today at younger ages. here's what one of my colleagues commenting on the report a few years ago about the new teenage oral sex craze. >> is oral sex now going to become the new kissing? it makes me absolutely. crazy to think about what kids are doing. stossel: me too. except are kids really doing it? dr. sarah studies the data on this. so i have her. this oral sex craze. >> it's not true. it's not true at all.

it's gotten so distorted. and the media grabbed a hold of it 2006 and 2007. oprah, dr. phil, they said kids were having oral sex everywhere in the cafeteria and that's not true. stossel: and regular sex at younger and younger ages which is the new norm. >> the average age of sex is 17. about 48 percent or so have had sex. by high school graduation, about half. a little more than that 60 percent. stossel: this is much higher than it used to be. >> no. it's much lower. everything has dropped. teen pregnancy has dropped. teen births have dropped. abortion has dropped. stossel: nobody believes this. >> this is why. a research study will come out that will say, there's a new study. let's say an anchor person on a talk show will give -- stossel: sloppiness of people in

the news busy -- citing what he calls a study although it was done by a model of a tv show. >> the tyra bank shows conducted a survey about girls and sex. >> how many of you guys here are having unprotected sex? >> how many partners have you had? >> i've had nine partners. >> that's quite a study huh. stossel: the tyra bank study. it's sad if this teenager had nine partners. >> and the reality there are for some people that happens. very rarely. i want to say what happens on these morning talk shows is the anchor will announce there's a new study on teen sex that says half of teenagers are having sex. and the other anchor will then say, oh, that's horrible. 13-year-old children are having sex. >> the study was on 18 years old. half of 18 years old having sex.

that's normative. for 13 years old, the reality is 3 percent. twelve years old 1 percent. that maybe abusive coercive, sexual abuse. stossel: now, you say it's going down, but it went up in the '60s. i was fortune enough to live through the '60s sexual revolution. >> there's been a statistic about premarital sex. 90 percent of americans have premarital sex. not teen sex. not just now. that's been since the '60s. in the '60s it was 80 percent. high percentage of the people were having premarital sex, but people didn't get that. they kept thinking -- stossel: because nobody talked about it. people lied. >> they kept thinking sex needs to be restrained. it was actually -- things weren't so off kilter. it's the way things have always been. stossel: another scare is sex

it. it's the new first base. atlantic, it's the rule. it's not? >> no. and what happened just a few weeks ago was terrible. (?) the research study came out that said that sexting does not lid to risk behavior like unprotected sex and alcohol abuse. the researcher put in the study that it might even be a sort of normal for adolescents to be doing this sexting behavior. and it's only about 30 percent of older teenagers. i would never use the word normal. somehow the washington post, chicago tribune, nbc, cbs, fox news, ran with the headlines, secretary isecretary is the new normal. it's not. stossel: another topic is rough sex. the new movie based on 50 shades of gray. the

fastest paperback of all time is about to be released. >> my take tastes are very similar. you wouldn't understand. ♪ >> enlighten me then. stossel: already the media are doing stories like this from cosmo,wanting rough sex is more common than you think. it's not more common than you think? >> people are buying sex toys thinking they want to put s&m in their life because of the talk shows because the popularity of this badly written book. it's not enhancing most people's sex lives. it's detracting from connection. it might add fun for a a few minutes, but then the sex toys they buy usually don't end up anywhere, but the garbage. people have a hard time realizing that sex is a normative part of life

and that we should try to enjoy the t the way we want to enjoy it. stossel: thank you. coming up, porn, is it bad for people? also, am i a sexist? do women have a worse sense of direction? should women pay more for health insurance?

stossel: how do you meet your soul mate? at work? i met my wife at work. some people get introduced by friends or at a bar. more people meet online today. here's the ranking, 35 percent meet their spouse online. 21 percent through work. 19 percent through friends. 10 percent at school. 9 percent at a bar. 4 percent at a place of worship. what's new, of course, that a third of the people met online. about half of them through an internet

dating site. the biggest of those is match.com. it works like most of them do. you create a profile for yourself. post pictures. say what your interests are. what you're looking for in a partner. some people post their height, religion, body type, how much money they make. the sites computer offers you some choices based on what you know about you and them. you can browse their pictures to see if they want to date. if they want to date, you make your own arrangements. does it work? well, some do as the commercials point out. >> two years later, still together. >> they're perfect for each other. >> and they met on match? >> and i went to their wedding. >> you want what they have. >> i do. stossel: match.com is the most popular site. helen fisher. i would think this would be a better place to

meet people because the computer has more information than anyone has. >> we lived in hunter gathering groups. even though you didn't know that cute boy at the other side of the watering hole, people knew about him. it's natural want to to know. stossel: there are a bunch of sites. yours were the first. e-harmony they pay more. plenty of fish is free. okay cupid is free. >> i might go back on it again. i've met some good boys. it extends your range. what's really interesting. i'm over 50. and i'm not going to meet somebody in a bar. i know all my girlfriends already. nobody at work will introduce me to somebody. as you get older, it's a very effective way. you can do it in your pajamas at internet. stossel: but people can lie.

>> they can lie everywhere. basically, the bottom line dating is not about honesty it's about winning. people will say, we know what people lie about. men lie about their height and how much money they make. and women lie about their age and their weight. the bottom line you have to go out and meet the person. and then the ancient human brain clicks in and we court the way we have for millions of years. stossel: in the old days before computers, parents, families, arranged marriages. i was surprised to see in the research that those marriages are just as likely to last. >> yes, there are. >> particularly in places like india and china where people expect the parents to pick them the right person. stossel: all right. what are the the newer sites is tinder. you swipe left or right just based on looks.

this person might be near you. you can make an instant decision. sounds very shallow. >> shallow maybe. natural, definitely. stossel: looks matter. >> they do. they mattered a million years ago. for millions of years you lived in the trees. they call it love at first sight. not love at first joke or smell or whatever. bottom line is immediately the brain in seconds the brain says okay, too tall. too short. too old, too pink, too green. out. it's the first breaking point. then you go on to learn about somebody. stossel: let me make a exception. we did a study where we lined guys up, tall to short. we told women who were behind the glass, who would you want to date. then we lied he said the tall goo is an ex-con. the short guy say millionaire. women are still shallow. they still wanted the tall guy.

>> tall means testosterone. stossel: a tall guy might protect you from the bears or whatever. but what this leaves out is they did not know the people and there are plenty of women whose partners are shorter than they. once you get to know somebody, doesn't this all change. >> that's a good point. another question we asked. have you ever started out finding somebody unredacteunattractive and 30 percent said yes. think of reasons to say, yes. more the you know somebody the more they like you. stossel: this one dating site seems creepy. it sounds like ashley madison which sounds sweet and traditional, but check out their commercial. >> ashley madison. ashley madison. life is short. have an affair. (?) stossel: they promote affairs. >> right. >> you have a problem with this?

>> i'm an anthroapologist. if you're not going to be an adultist. whether ther there is no ashley madison. some people are predisposed. if there's no ashley madison, they'll find another way. stossel: they have another commercial where men sing about having the affair. >> someone other than the wife. other than the wife. ♪ ♪ i'm looking for someone other than my wife. other than my wife. ashley madison is right. >> i have to admit i find that a bit revolting. stossel: i do too. >> that turned me off. stossel: people get hurt because of this. >> nobody gets out of love alive and when it comes to adultery we can really lose. stossel: porn is more available than ever. i'm told that's a terrible thing. is it though. a porn star takes on the

critics when we come back.

>> hello, my name is belle knox. i'm 18 years old. it was during my first semester there that i started doing porn.

stossel: now, porn. 65 percent -- [no audio] and yet a survey of adults said 75 percent of men, about half the women admit to watching it. duke university student belle knox turned to porn to pay her 65,000-dollar college tuition. one of her tapes we played at the beginning of the segment. belle you found that your students were hostile. >> yes. i faced a lot of criticism at school. it was definitely difficult to be on campus. stossel: were you surprised? >> i was. because i thought that it's more liberal. stossel: some of your fellow students said she deserved to be raped. an embarrassment to duke. we'll throw garbage at her every day. people haven't thrown garbage at you i assume. >> luckily i haven't had any type of violence toward me. it's been a lot of really hateful talk.

stossel: hornlings you feelhow t little kids watching you? the computer is accessible to everybody sometimes. >> sorry. can i think about that question a little bit longer. stossel: sure. and i'll move on. conservative from fox says you're making a huge mistake. >> a little advice for ms. belle knox. you won't need college if you do porn because you won't get a job. stossel: you won't get a job with what you did. >> yes, it may be the status quo that i'll have a few employers that won't hire me, but she should be challenging that instead of accepting it. stossel: usa today is the duke porn star a sex slave. >> they tried to paint me as a victim who is disempowered and exploited by the sex industry. meanwhile, the irony they're making a lot of money off of using my

name and story while i'm not making any type of money off it. stossel: it also disturbs me that they use this word slave. it's sort of an unsult to thee who suffered real slavery. you didn't want to hit your parents up for duke's ridiculous tuition. >> absolutely. i think it's an issue when we blend together the idea of trafficking and people who legitimately have had a really horrible experience in the sex industry or with any type of slavery as you said, and with people like me, who love their work, and who did it of their own vocational. stossel: you love your work. >> i do love my work. (?) stossel: here's another headline that makes more sense from mtv of all people. does porn ruin sex lives by setting up unrealistic expectations? >> in pornography there's such a wide range of women and men with different body types and there's never

one-size-fits-all image that we try to portray for what a healthy sex life should be. i personally, i love watching porn with a partner. it always makes the night a little bit better. stossel: i've heard this worry often, and people say, yeah, the real women in my life, they can't compete with my ideal which i can find on the web, but i sure haven't seen people not having real sex just because there's much more porn everywhere. >> absolutely. and i think that the crux of the issue is that we don't have enough open and honest conversations about sex and sexuality. stossel: okay. i agree with that. thank you belle knox. america's attitudes have changed about porn. when i was a kid. congress held hearings and warned about the incredible volume of filthy literature flooding the stands. the post office should be given power to imowd

mail that has lewd novel. this copy of tropic of cancer included a warning not to be imported into britain or the united states. even in times square of new york, police sometimes raided magazine stores. when i was 17, police arrested 154 people on what they called a smut drive. sixty-two were jailed. we've come a long way from that. but i grew up accepting the idea that porn had to be hidden from children, except now in the internet age. it's not. six years old who have computers get spam pushing things like penis enlargements. any teenager has access to images that would hoffer people years ago. it's so horrible, yet what's the effect? mostly nothing. as we heard earlier in this show. teen pregnancy is down. rape is down. porn has not created the hormone that people said it would.

next, am i a sexist pig. these people think so. >> rape is not tv hype. >> come on, everybody. louder.

stossel: on the stossel show, we focus on economics, business, consumer issues, libertarianism, so why do a show on sex? because sex sells, of course. but that's not the real reason for this show. we libertarians

appreciate the benefits to free choice. america's changing attitudes about sex should teach all of us the benefits of choice of not having central planners decide what all the rules are. when i was a kid, the so-called experts were certain that people had to be protected from magazines like playboy. most authorities said americans had to be protected from homosexuality and gay marriage was out of the question. adultery and fornication were illegal. still are in some states. yet most americans now have sex before marriage. what if we lock up all the politicians who had affairs. it would be a good start. there is no one source of wisdom about anything, including sex. when we allow authorities to make rules that limit our choices, that hurts everyone. we see the harm most clearly in other countries where the autocrats are men and religious fanatics do terrible things to

women. indignant college women who claim there is a rape epidemic. o'reilly pushed laws that punished teenagers who have sex with their 15-year-old boyfriends. this man spent three years in jail for having oral sex with his teenage girlfriend. the college feminists give crazy rules that there must be enthusiastic consent policy. guys, i guess that means if she. [no audio] you could be in trouble. record her answer on your phone. i shouldn't joke about this. young men now get kicked out of college for sleeping with a woman who later decides, maybe i shouldn't have. i covered one such case, a brown university senior slept with a freshman boy. next morning, she gave him her phone number. doesn't that confirm consent. after meeting with professors and the women's study department, she decided she had been drunk and

could not have given consent. the boy was accused of rape and driven from campus. then look what happened when i tried to ask questions about that. >> what's the law? every person is supposed to be sober if you have sex. never have sex drunk. >> unconsenting sex is -- >> get off this campus. we don't want you here. >> rape is not tv hype. >> rape is not tv hype. >> come on, everybody louder. they kept yelling. eventually they pulled out my microphone cord. i call them the tow taltarian -- differences need to acknowledged. women used to pay for more health insurance because women spend more on health care. obamacare supporters said that's sexist and they banned all price discrimination. on fox and friends, i pushed back.

women go to the doctor much more often than men. maybe they're smarter or maybe they're hypochondriacs, who knows, but if it's insurance, ought to be able to charge the people who use the services more more if you call it insurance, the price should reflect the cost, it's math. i'm told i have some issue when it comes to women. as shown about my rant about how women are hypochondriacs and there should be no gender equality in health care. that's not what i said. i've lost this battle. even men say women should pay no more. >> should women pay more because they go to the doctor more often. >> no, not at all. >> should women pay more for health insurance. even if they go to the doctor more often. >> no. >> should men pay for more car insurance. >> yeah. people always get thrown by that one. we men do pay more for

car insurance. and we should. we drive more and wreck more cars. we pay more for life insurance because we die younger. are we victimized no. it's just math. people should acknowledge that. but most people i ask, wouldn't hear of it. >> do women have a worse sense of direction than men. >> definitely not. much better. stossel: in fact, most men do have a better sense of direction. we know about these differences, thanks to studies like the one done at the university of rochester. repeated here for our camera. >> students are blindfolded and then walked through the maze of tunnels that run through the campus. when the women are asked where a college building is -- >> can you tell me where wilson comets is. >> that way. >> men however retained a sense of what direction they had moved. >> go through the next doors. take a left and a right. then a left. >> women on the on the other hand, have a

better memory for detail. check out this test. >> have a chair here. >> at york university in toronto, students are asked to wait in a cluttered room while an experimenter gets something ready. the student doesn't know it. this is the experiment. how much of the room, will she remember. after two minutes, the experimenter moves her to another room and asks her. >> tell me every object in that room that you remember. >> women typically give answers like this. >> on the right-hand side of the desk was a briefcase with your initials on the top. there was a tube with mints and an im40. there was duke university envelopes. a thing of clear sill. >> she went on and on in detail. so did most of the women. men were more likely to say, i don't know. some stuff. (?) we are different. it's not evil sexism to say that. but feminist ikeon once told me to say men and women are different is not okay. and doing research like we showed is

un-american. give me a break. i'm glad that so far in america we have not let the authoritarian set all the rules. that's our show. see you next week. . lou: good evening, everybody. as the country moves to the center right, president obama moves to the far left. seemingly mr. obama is trying to rationalize the voters' repudiation of policies and rejection of the democratic party's candidates. the president has publicly been dismissive of 36% of americans who turned out to vote last week while instead focusing on the more than 60% who did not. and he, of course, is not in any of his comments acknowledging that he himself did not win a majority of the eligible voters in 2012 re-election. and president obama appears