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removing christmas from its calendar. "cashin' in" starts right now. hi, everyone. i'm eric bolling. welcome to "cashin' in." our crew this week, wayne rogers, jonathan hoenig, and others, welcome, everybody. putting executive inaction in action. president obama is expected to roll out a 10-part plan for overhauling america's immigration policy and it could happen any minute. included, a free ride for those who broke the law and possible halt to deportations of millions of illegals. michelle, is it time the president just already do this already? torch the constitution and get it over with? >> pretty much what he's doing. an unconstitutional power grab. the voters made it very clear this election that they're unhappy with the president, and instead of listening to the voters, she now just going to bypass congress and give executive amnesty. get it straight. this is not about the interests of the american people at a

whole. he wants to do this and democrats want to do this because this is about 2016. this is about getting latino votes. this is not about what's good for the american people. >> wayne, amazes me he said he'll push it through before the end of the year, before the republicans senate gets a chance a crack at at least trying to reform immigration, if they want to? >> well, eric, i don't think this is so much about whether we voted for it or didn't vote for it. pts the law. the law is what it is. when you start with a statement saying these people are illegal, you've said somebody's broken the law. might as well say, okay, everybody who drives 100 an hour down the road and runs over people, that's illegal. we punish them. why do we let this off? why is this an xk executive order? wipe does the president have the right to just spub vert the law to his own desire? that i don't understand. soap i don't blame the voters. i blame the congress. >> and -- okay. blame the congress but voters put the neem who put the fled who is now, jessica, bypassing

the constitution. by wait he said he wouldn't do when he got to be president. >> well, i'm sure he didn't want to have to do as many executive oefrsd as he'd had to do try to get things done, but we've seen the most lame duck congress we've had since you know, prior to the eisenhower administration. they have been unable to get anything done there. whether in the house or the senate. they have a bipartisan bill that passed the senate and frankly what the president is looking at is if they don't do something to address what we know is a pressing issue with the number of children we have here that are at our boreds, in detention centers, it valleyreally is a c. if we wait for the new congress to come in, for sure nothing will be done before 20916. >> that's not for sure. a lot of republicans want an immigration package but want it legally and to secure the border first. >> the fundamental idea here, eric, the executive order. who gives orders? your boss.

a drig sergeant. a czar. an irs goon? the wholed? that the president, to wayne's point is willing to use force to get it passed by any means necessary. it's like he's gone full grouper. say anything, do anything, to get his agenda through. full gruber. the same plead does this is the one hoop criticizes businessmen trying to use the law to minimize taxes. it's not just a more policy, it's hypocrisy as well. >> michelle, jonathan make as good point. if you're pulling the wool over someone's eyes or creating a hoax, called grubering, are we about to get grubered on not only immigration but on minimum wage. right? >> yeah. no. we definitely are. the thing is, what people don't understand is, raising the minimum raise sounds great in theory. if you work at mcdonald's and your boss has to pay all employees more money what is the boss going to do? cut jobs. this only hurts the american people. but the president doesn't care. he wants to raise the minimum

wage. it's all about votes. that's what all of this is about. >> all about votes or, jessica, all about the bass. all about the bass. right? isn'twhat he'sppeasing the bass? >> it's the bass of american people. on a state level these initiatives to raise the minimum wage passed in arkansas, in alaska, in south dakota, in states where the red wave carried democrats out and republicans in, and these vald initiatives to raise the minimum wage still passed. that means it's a bipartisan issue. the american people want a higher min much wage to make a living wage. bottom line. >> people want it -- >> go ahead, jon. >> jessica make as good point. >> persuaded -- i'm an advocate for open immigration, eric. whatever the president wants to push through he needs to push it through with persuasion, not force. that's the fundamental issue here. the president was sold as a constitutional scholar. if you want to appease the bass, appease the american public by respecting that same constitution. >> what about separation of

powers? the president has already said that this issue he's hoping that this can be one thing there can be bipartisan support in congress, so popular state by state across the people. people want a higher minimum wage. bottom line. >> i don't want to interrupt you, wayne, talking apples and orangesment president who wants a $10 minimum wage, federally, and he also wants a $15 minimum wage, we hear, for federal employees. the whole country has minimum wage on the federal level. talk about states doing it on their own. i personally -- listen, if you live in a state where the governor thinks $10 is the right wage. okay. better than the federal government tellings us what every american has to earn. >> eric, the point is this -- why a $15 minimum wage? why not a $100 minimum? why not $1,000? this is an arbitrary number picked out by somebody dictating to you. not the free market arriving at some price that says, my worth

is x, y or z. i'm not negotiating with my fwos say i dig ditches for $15 an hour,s 20ds an hour, whatever it may be. this is somebody imposing it, imposing it. this is -- this is law by administration. in other words, the administration saying this is what it's going to be and you have to accept it. nobody has arrived at this. this is just done out of hole cloth. they have no idea that they're do the executive odors specifically only apply to federal employees. they're not applying to everyone, you know -- >> but the federal employee is being paid by me, the taxpayer. that's my tax dollar, sweetheart. don't tell me. >> working hard for that money just like everybody else. >> then why shouldn't they bargain for it, just like i do? or just like you do? you bargain for that price. >> and here's the problem, jessica. bring it to jonathan. the problem, you can debate what

the right min much wage is or no min much wage we're onboard, capitalists, no min much wage. people think -- bill o'reilly think it's okay. people believe that. however, when you use the executive pen, jonathan, talk about this. when you say it's my choice. i'm president. i'm doing it with or without your vote, congress. therein lies the problem. >> yeah, and give in to moral high ground saying left to the states. min much wage shore zero. to your point, if the president wants that, anything, min much wage harks to adopt it through persuasion, not force, what these executive orders are. bypassing the congress is writing law by executive -- >> this is a hot topic. we have to leave it there. continue this conversation online now. ready for this? twitter says "cashin' in" is consistently the top trending show in news. we shattered another record in another metric. last week "cashin' in" had over 100 million impressions, an impression is an actual person

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illegals a free pass. now this. immigrants and their u.s. born children make up more than 42% of new medicaid recipients. price tag, $4.6 billion. wayne, more takers. i wonder what they'll do when they get here? think go on medicaid? >> of course they, eric. if he legitimizing all of these people, by saying, okay, everybody's now, you're an immigrant, you're legal here. of course. they're all going on medicaid, all going on any kind of a free thing that the government has. i mean, the outrage of this, i mean, when you mention gruber earlier, but when gruber, when this happened and nobody in the federal government has acknowledged this. no one has acknowledged this. none of the other networks. that's astounding. that the news does not get to the people. this is outrageous and the people should be revolting against this. >> jon, let's go full screen here. medicaid enrollment, 2008, 38.2

million. 2013 -- '08 the year before president obama took over. 57 million. almost 9 million more, cost of additional almost $100 billion additional, we don't have the 2013 number, probably put it over $100 billion. do we really need four, five, 20 million more people on the medicaid rolls? >> what the republicans want, eric. they want to save medicaid. look at their platform on their website. save medicaid, strengthen medicare. want to ensure retirement security, a/k/a, social security expansion. so the republicans put themself out there as being against the social safety net. they're not. they're for it. they just want to decide who gets it. this should be an argument against entitlements. i think too often we use it as an argument as a red herring against immigrants. the problem isn't immigrants. the problem are entitlements and republicans want to keep those, not get rid of them. >> michelle, jonathan is

throwing a strict libertarian line here saying, no social safety nets whatsoever. where's do you stand on this? >> well, look i do think there should be safety nets, of course. you know, sometimes people have bad times and should have something to fall back on. >> for who? for who? >> huge entitlements. i think if someone has a problem, and they would need to fall back. >> you want to just decide? >> that's fine -- >> you want a social safety net but you want to decide who gets the goods? isn't that the same, picking winners that you advocate against the president for? >> this is costing -- hold on -- costing $4.6 billion a year. >> get rid of it. >> executive amnesty, millions more people. i'm all for immigration. okay? but i'm not for attracting immigrants that come here to live off of taxpayers. i'm for immigrants who come here to contribute to society and contribute to the economy. i don't believe we get rid of the entire -- >> make them legal.

michelle, if you don't want them coming here illegally and not pay boo the 15i69y note i don't want. you do. make them legal? let them pay into the safety net you want to expand. >> hold on. get jessica in here. jess, we are already $17 trillion in in debt. sassoon as additional people come in, another $100 billion. who knows the number moop cares? add it on to the debt? right? >> i don't think that's really the issue that's going on here. i'm actually enjoying jonathan and michelle, you know, i agree with both of them on varying different parts of it. i think there are ways to come together. the nice thing is, and i think the part of the american dream lost here talking about immigrants going on medicaid, we've had general medicaid expansion. the concept is get more people covered, have more people that especially those in poverty, not showing up in the emergency room and have no ability to pay the hospitals and hospitals go bankrupt. kind of are part of the concept here. but the idea of the american dream for immigrants, yes, they

need help when they first get here and education. then, the idea is, the next generation -- >> wait, wait. >> what about -- >> and the -- >> what happens? >> guy, let me get wayne in here. do we really have to be the, the society that says, yes, we'll give him health care, education. yes we'll give them a house, maybe eve an car. apartment some point enough is enough, is it not, wayne? >> well, eric, i don't think it's that. it's not a giveaway program in the first place. this is a land of the free and home of the brave. you come here, citizenship is a responsibility. it's not something that you just get and you have to be -- you think and where you sign up and therefore you're going to get things. that's not what it's about. go back and read the constitution. understand what the american, the responsibility of being a citizen is. that's what you need to do thank you. >> you can't just make people -- illegal people legal just by fiat. >> there you go. perfect way to tie up that segment, wayne, thank you very much. coming up, a public school district wiping christmas from the clepder after muslims complained their holiday wasn't

on it. should taxpayers have to fund these pt fights, or what? formea

director james woolsey for more on that and concerns that other terror groups are teaming up with isis. join us. oh, boy, canceling christmas. a school district in maryland voting to strip all religious references from its school calendars. this coming after pressure from muslim leaders to give its

holidays, its holidays, muslim holidays, equal billing. should tax dollars be spent fighting a pc war like this in schools? >> this is ridiculous. taxpayers work incredibly hard just to have the government take their money, then give it to these people to make stupid decisions like this. look, here's an interesting idea. how about using the money to teach children? to educate them? not to wage some war on christmas. >> i'm laughing because you're 100% right. wayne, honestly, are there not more important things for these school districts to be worrying about like grades and like competing with china and brazil than whether we're calling it christmas or winter break? >> eric, school districts are ruled by school boards. the school board is elected. they're elected people. they represent the people. if the people don't like it, they can change it. if the school board wants to have eric bolling day, they can do so. >> festivus. i prefer festivus.

>> -- and take it to the school board -- >> that's not the way the country works. we're not a country of majority rule. as long as people are forced to go to public schools -- all schools should be private. sons they're forced to go to public schools, there should be no religious holidays mentioned. just like the hobby lobby employer -- let me make the point. just like the hobby lobby employers shouldn't be forced to go against their religious beliefs, muslim students, atheist student, shouldn't be forced to acknowledge religious beliefs if they're not on board with that. >> i know where you're going with this. what do you mean we're not a country of majority rule? >> we're constitutional republican, eric. it's not like whatever the majority says goes. this whole notion that, well, it's okay, we're judeo-christian ethics. we're a nation founded on individual ethics. so take all religion out of schools. >> your thoughts on taking christmas and easter out of -- just stop calling it there.

by the way, they're still giving those times off, those holidays off. >> yeah, i'm actually, you know, with jonathan on the idea of just removing all of the religion from public school situations so that you have the ability then forrer to go and have it be an open system. i don't have a problem with the school board saying it's winter break as opposed to christmas break. it's not like they're saying there's no christmas. i mean, you know, i think this is one of those things where -- >> listen, i rarely defend -- i rarely think -- >> how about teaching kids how to read? how about focusing on teaching kids how to add and subtract? coming up, grab the shovel. coming up, grab the shovel. it's getting deep in ica, we nee

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funny thing is, however, the liberal media called us the liars, right, johnny boy? >> chaos on [ bleep ] mountain. >> bull crap mountains? you want to see bull crap? after gruber claimed those initial comments americans are stupid were off the couuff and didn't mean them, this surfaced. >> americans are too stupid -- >> we have more, four more, in fact. want more bull crap? check out nancy pelosi this week. >> i don't know who he is. he didn't have our bill. >> really, he doesn't ring a bell? bull crap, here are your words on your website posted december 1st, 2009. meanwhile, the whole time the white house has been claiming to be the most transparent white house in history. well, that's turned out to be a big old pile of bull crap. fox, no way. me, huh-uh. you want bull crap, it's you, jon stewart, and the liberal mainstream media. you're all purveyors of the bull

crap. how about you man up. admit you were gruberred into selling that bmgz care bull crap? in hindsight, we were right and you, i call yours grand bull crap canyon.ful week. watch "forbes on fox" on fnc at 11:00 a.m. gerri: hello, everybody, i'm gerri willis. round two of obamacare kicks off tomorrow with no fanfare from the white house. no wonder. humiliating tapes from the obama care architect jonathan gruber keep being uncovered, next one more damning than the last. the man who called you stupid, paid a consulting fee of nearly 400,000 smackers from the white house. here to weigh in, dr. scott gottlieb, scholar at american enterprise institute, chris holt director of health care policy at american action forum and steve moore, chief economist at the heritage foundation. welcome all. steve, i will start with you. get your reaction to more