the presidential address upcoming as the president prepares to tell the nation about his executive fiat on amnesty. thanks for being with us. good night from new york. . neil: well, this is it. the president set to explain to the nation how he is going to keep five million illegals here. first to arizona sheriff paul babeu worried about the millions more illegals who feel emboldened to flood the border here. sheriff, why do you worry about that? >> neon sign for the millions of illegals yet to come, come to the border and you're home free because there's no consequences. the rule of law is founded on that, that there's consequences that act as a deterrent and serve as justice in our legal system and the president in one fell swoop tonight is going to say that these don't apply to people who aren't from our country who disrespected the

law and our process. neil: your big fear is how it does encourage others to follow suit not to have severe punishment to those who have done illegal acts to get here? >> clearly, the president said that, he's released countless illegals in custody. those with serious, violent criminal records back into our communities, and the president's got to be held responsible for the actions. neil: and sheriff, all of the people are going to have social security numbers, and you know better than many what can you do with a social security number. gives you a whole host of things? >> fraud, not just social security cards but government privileges or, quote, entitlements. that's what we have problems with as american citizens is the people not only come here, disrespecting our process -- >> okay, sheriff. president obama:. >> fellow americans, i'd like to talk with you about

immigration, for more than 200 years our tradition from welcoming immigrants around the world has given us a tremendous advantage over other nations, kept us youthful, dynamic and entrepreneurial. it has shaped our character as a people with limitless possibilities. people not trapped by our past, but able to remake ourselves as we choose. but today, our immigration system is broken, and everybody knows it. families who enter our country the right way and play by the rules watch others flout the rules. business owners who offer their workers good wages and benefits see the competition exploit undocumented immigrants by paying them far less. all of us take offense to anyone who reaps the rewards of living in america without taking on the responsibilities of living in america. and undocumented immigrants who desperately want to embrace the possibilities see little option but to remain in the shadows or

risk families be torn apart. it's been this way for decades and for decades we haven't done much about it. when i took office, i committed to fixing this broken immigration system. and i began by doing what i could to secure our borders. today, we have more agents and technology deployed to secure our southern border than at any time in our history, and over the past six years, illegal border crossings have been cut by more than half. although this summer there was a brief spike in unaccompanied children being apprehended at our border, the number of such children is lower than it's been in nearly two years. overall, the number of people trying to cross our border illegally is at its lowest level since the 1970s. those are the facts. i worked with congress on a comprehensive fix and last year 68 democrats, republicans and independents, came together to pass a bipartisan bill in the

senate. it wasn't perfect. it was a compromise. but it reflected common sense. it would have doubled the number of border patrol agents while giving undocumented immigrants a pathway to citizenship if they paid a fine, started paying their taxes and went to the back of the line. and independent experts said it would help grow our economy and shrink our deficits. had the house of representatives allowed that kind of bill a simple yes or no vote, it would have passed with support from both parties, and today it would be the law. but for a year and a half now, republican leaders in the house have refused to allow that simple vote. now, i continue to believe that the best way to solve this problem is by working together to pass that kind of commonsense law. but until that happens, there are actions i have the legal authority to take as president. the same kinds of actions taken by democratic and republican

presidents before me. that will help make our immigration system more fair and more just. tonight, i'm announcing those actions. first, we'll build on our progress at the border with additional resources for our law enforcement personnel so that they can stem the flow of illegal crossings and speed the return of those who do cross over. second, i'll make it easier and faster for high-skilled immigrants, graduates and entrepreneurs to stay and contribute to our economy, as so many business leaders have proposed. third, we'll take steps to deal responsibly with the millions of undocumented immigrants who already live in our country. i want to say more about this third issue because it generates the most passion and controversy. even as we are a nation of immigrants, we're also a nation of laws. undocumented workers broke our immigration laws, and i believe

that they must be held accountable, especially those who may be dangerous. that's why over the past six years, deportations of criminals are up 80%. and that's why we're going to keep focusing enforcement resources on actual threats to our security. felons, not families, criminals, not children, gang members, not a mom working hard to provide for her kids. we'll prioritize, just like law enforcement does every day. but even as we focus on deporting criminals, the fact is millions of immigrants in every state of every race and nationality, still live here illegally. and let's be honest, tracking down, rounding up, and deporting millions of people isn't realistic. anyone who suggests otherwise isn't being straight with you. it's also not who we are as

americans. after all, most of these immigrants have been here a long time. they work hard. often in tough low paying jobs. they support their families, they worship at our churches. many of their kids are american born or spent most of their lives here. and their hopes, dreams and patriotism are just like ours. as my predecessor, president bush, once put it, they are a part of american life. now, here's the thing, we expect people who live in this country to play by the rules. we expect those who cut the line will not be unfairly rewarded. so we're going to offer the following deal, if you've been in america for more than five years. if you have children who are american citizens or legal residents. if you register, pass a criminal background check and you're willing to pay your fair share of taxes, you'll be able to apply to stay in this country temporarily without

fear of deportation. you can come out of shadows and get right with the law. that's what this deal is. now let's be clear about what it isn't. this deal does not apply to anyone who has come to the country recently. does not apply to anyone who might come to america illegally in the future. it does not grant citizenship or the right to stay here permanently or offer the same benefits that citizens receive. only congress can do that. all we're saying is we're not going to deport you. i know some of the critics of this action call it amnesty. well, it's not. amnesty is the immigration system we have today. millions of people who live here without paying their taxes or playing by the rules, while politicians use the issue to scare people and whip up votes at election time. that's the real amnesty.

leaving this broken system the way it is. mass amnesty would be unfair. mass deportation would be both impossible and contrary to our character. what i'm describing is accountability. a commonsense, middle ground approach. if you meet the criteria, you can come out of the shadows and get right with the law. if you're a criminal, you'll be deport. if you plan to enter the u.s. illegally, your chances of getting caught and sent back just went up. the actions i'm taking are not only lawful, they're the kinds of actions taken by every single republican president and every single democratic president for the past half century, and to those members of congress who question my authority to make our immigration system work better, or question the wisdom of me acting where congress has failed, i have one answer. pass a bill. i want to work with both parties to pass a more permanent legislative solution, and the day i sign that bill

into law, the actions i take will no longer be necessary. meanwhile, don't let a disagreement over a single issue be a deal breaker on every issue. that's not how our democracy works. and congress certainly shouldn't shut down our government again just because we disagree on this. americans are tired of gridlock. what our country needs from us right now is a common purpose. a higher purpose. most americans support the types of reforms i've talked about tonight. but i understand the disagreements held by many of you at home. millions of us, myself included, go back generations in this country, with ancestors who put in the painstaking work to become citizens. so we don't like the notion that anyone might get a free pass to american citizenship. some worry immigration will change the very fabric of who we are, or take our jobs or

stick it to middle-class families when they feel they have gotten the raw deal for over a decade. i hear those concerns. but that's not what these steps would do. our history and the facts show that immigrants are a net plus for our economy and our society. and i believe it's important that all of us have this debate without impugning each other's character. because for all the back and forth of washington, we have to remember that this debate is about something bigger. it's about who we are as a country, and who we want to be for future generations. are we a nation that tolerates the hypocrisy of a system where workers who pick our fruit and make our beds never have a chance to get right with the law? or are we a nation that gives them a chance to make amends, take responsibility, and give their kids a better future? are we a nation that accepts the cruelty of ripping children

from their parents' arms? or are we a nation that values families and works together to keep them together? are we a nation that educates the world's best and brightest in our universities only to send them home to create businesses in countries that compete against us, or are we a nation that encourages them to stay and create jobs here, create businesses here, create industries right here in america? that's what this debate is all about. we need more than politics as usual when it comes to immigration. we need reasoned, thoughtful, compassionate debate that focuses on our hopes, not our fears. i know the politics of this issue are tough, but let me tell you why i have come to feel so strongly about it. over the past years, i've seen the determination of immigrant fathers who worked two or three

jobs without taking a dime from the government, and at risk any moment of losing it all, just to build a better life for their kidi've seen the heart br anxiety of children whose mothers might be taken away from them just because they didn't have the right papers. i've seen the courage of students who, except for the circumstances of their birth, are as american as malia or sasha, students who come out in hopes of making a difference in the country they love. these people, our neighbors, our classmates, our friends, they did not come here in search of a free ride or an easy life. they came to work and study and serve in our military, and above all, contribute to america's success. tomorrow, i'll travel to las vegas and meet with some of these student, including a

young woman named astrid silva. she was brought to america when she was four years old. her only possessions were a cross, her doll and the frilly dress she had on. when she started school, she didn't speak any english, she caught up by reading newspapers and watching pbs and became a good student. her father worked in landscaping. her mom cleaned other people's homes. they wouldn't let astrid to apply to a technology magnet school not because they didn't love her, but they were afraid the paperwork would out her as an undocumented immigrant. she applied behind their back and got in. still, she mostly lived in the shadows. until her grandmother, who visited every year from mexico, passed away, and she couldn't travel to the funeral without risk of being found out and

deported. it was around that time she decided to begin advocating for herself and others like her, and today astrid silva is a college student working on her third degree. are we a nation that kicks out a striving, hopeful immigrant like astrid or a nation that finds a way to welcome her in? scripture tells us that we shall not oppress a stranger, for we know the heart of a stranger. we were strangers once, too. my fellow americans, we are and always will be a nation of immigrants. we were strangers once, too. and whether our forebearers were strangers who crossed the atlantic or the pacific or the rio grande, we are here only because this country welcomed them in and taught them that to be an american is about

something more than what we look like or what our last names are or how we worship. what makes us americans is our shared commitment to an ideal that all of us are created equal, and all of us had the chance to make of our lives what we will. that's the country our parents and grandparents and generations before them built for us. that's the tradition we must uphold. that's the legacy we must leave for those who are yet to come. thank you. god bless you, and god bless this country we love. neil: all right, the president has gone ahead and made it official, he will move to delay and put off significantly the deportations of some five million illegals. if you look at breakdown of the math it is closer to six million. but the president stressing tonight this is not blanket

amnesty. he says that let's be clear what the deal is, it does not apply to anyone who has come into the country presumably. it does not apply to anyone who might come to america illegally in the future, and goes onto say that it is not grant citizenship for the right to stay permanently or offer the same benefits that citizens have right now. only congress can do that. all we are saying is we're not going to deport you. the gist of the president's remarks and the opening salvo in what could be a very contentious legislative season when the new senate takes over in january and could be a rocky two years on both ends of pennsylvania avenue. what did you think of the president's speech? you can go to facebook.com/fox business to let us know what you think of the speech. to peter barnes, digging into all of this, and particularly our republicans are going to deal with all of this. they're not happy, right, peter?

>> that's right, they are looking at options how to react to the president's executive action tonight, anything from passing legislation that they say could stop him to defunding parts of it, to perhaps even filing a lawsuit to stop him, but they are still working all that out and there's a lot of internal debate among republicans on what the best path is. neil: thank you very much, is all of this creating a bigger mess at the border. back with arizona sheriff paul babeu and chief ronald colburn. ron, first to you, not amnesty, just a way toward avoiding something calamitous. what do you think of that? >> where do i start? let's begin peeling away the lies and innuendo here. if we had a couple of hours, i think we could cover it all. there were three points he talked on, you know, i'll take

it last to first, last being basically amnesty. he's just saying don't call it amnesty, and certainly even the rumor of amnesty brings them by tens of thousands if not millions to the border hoping to benefit. he said they won't be able to because he has drawn a line in the sand, my words, but past a certain date they will not be eligible. neil: how old we know who's been here? there is no way, they don't have a paper record no. way to say whether someone has been here five years, ten years, three years, five days. >> absolutely. he invited the black market documentary fraud and the creation of false records including rental receipts, just like the amnesty program of the late 80s early 90s. i lived through that and i warned the white house not to repeat bad history. he also talked about this country being the melting pot

we are. we accept more lawful applicants and entry to the united states than all the free world combined. we are the melting pot of the world. we are that economy everyone wants to join. there are six billion plus people in the world and 4 1/2 billion would like to be here now. neil: i want to pick up with the sheriff, he started how difficult this would be to police at the border, that many would feel emboldens to come to the country, and when the president outlined that no, if you've been here presumably sooner than five years, you're not eligible for this, but i'm thinking back to ron's key point, there is no way to know, right? >> i tell you how actually works on the ground. we've had deputies stop and traffic stops or other actions illegals, who admitted or upon questioning said they were here illegally and required by the supreme court to call i.c.e. or the border patrol, and on the phone this happens, and we

talked to the illegal, talk with the i.c.e. agent, and they say how long have they been here? and based off of what that illegal tells us, the i.c.e. agent says because they've been here five years, let them go, treat them as any other citizen. if you and i came from honduras, last week, have fraudulent documents and a law enforcement officer, how long, neil and paul, have you been here, we're going to say the magic word, five years. guess what happens? no action. so the president is saying it's five years or more, guess what? he it de facto amnesty, meaning no enforcement of law for all the illegals, not just five or six million. neil: gentlemen, i want to thank you, both. republican senator orrin hatch says president obama is acting more like a dictator than a president. what do you mean, senator. >> let's face it, congress has to enact the laws to enforce the laws, and frankly, there's

no reason in the world for the president to do what he's doing, other than political reasons, and even those are bad as far as i'm concerned. you know, this president has acted extra judiciously, extra constitutionally in ways he ought to be ashamed. neil: why do you think he's doing it, senator? there is a cynical argument he's trying to back republicans into a corner to threaten lawsuits, to look like obstructionists, to be the party of no. the mainstream media gloms onto it and you might go so far as to impeach the guy or shut down the government. what do you say to that? >> the mean stream media ought to be ashamed if they use that kind of a methodology to back the president on this type of approach. the only way to have a lasting approach to our immigration problems is for congress to

act. now, i was one of the leaders in the senate who helped put the immigration bill through from the senate standpoint. the house has said they're going to do an immigration bill and start with the border first. and they may do a series of bills, they have a little different approach than we do. but they said they're going to do it, and i think they will do it. that's the appropriate way to do it. neil: by that, senator, clear border enforcement first before you touch on things like delays and deportations and any of this other stuff? >> your prior spokesperson did a very good job. the fact is he says it's only going to be four or five million people. it's every one of them. they're all claiming they were here five years. neil: how do you prove it? >> how do you prove they're lying. this is a completely, a completely wrongful way of acting. the president shouldn't do this. it's only as good as his presidency. i don't think any self-respecting republican is going to try to bring

impeachment or anything like that, because you know, you can't get it through the democrats in the senate who basically, basically back the president in everything he does. they've got to be upset too. neil: yeah, we've heard from a good many who are, just like you said. >> this is one of the worst things i've seen in my life, and i'd like to help the president do what's right by doing real immigration reform, we did it in the senate. we'll do it in the house. we don't need the president to do a grandstanding thing like this. neil: senator, we'll watch closely. appreciate your time. >> okay. neil: one of the arguments for doing this on the part of the president, white house says ronald reagan did it, and this is the president doing what ronald reagan did. former u.s. attorney general roberto gonzalez said not even close. attorney general, explain why it's not at all comparable. >> first of all, we're talking about an act of disgression,

it's going to present on fact, the fact that ronald reagan or president george h.w. bush did something some, executive action is really has no bearing on the fact as to whether or not this particular action is lawful. you know, all you have to do is listen to the president's words for two or three years, talked about the fact not having the thort do this kind of action, and whether or not the action is lawful, i mean you have to wonder about the timing of this. the fact we've got new leadership in the senate, a new congress, and why this had to happen now, and why he couldn't work with the new congress? i don't understand, particularly because if he has the authority to do this, he could have done it before the election. neil: you don't think he does have the authority? >> not prepared to say he does have the authority. what i can say is the president does have a discretion in the execution of the law. neil: what's the difference? if he does have the discretion,

then it's ipso facto of authority to do something many republicans argue as offensive, maybe not as unconstitutional. >> again, most of the laws passed by congress do provide flexibility in terms of enforcement and the congress and the courts recognized a president does have the discretion in terms of the execution of the law. and some point, that execution is so abusive that it is a de facto amendment, a repeal or suspension of the law. argument can be made that's what's going on here. i suspect the attorney general and the department of justice feels otherwise, and given the president the advice and, in fact, he does have the discretion. look at the previous presidents. this is so poisoned the water, the well, for actions with the republicans because one thing i do agree with the president, that is we need comprehensive immigration reform, a permanent solution to the problem that affects our economy and affects our national security, and i

really fear that this action has really made that effort much more difficult going forward. neil: alberto gonzalez, thank you very much. you heard the debate here, five million today, some people said as many as six million. problem is there's no way to put a final number on this, especially and even with the president's provisos you can't prove it if you are here fewer than time years. with a timeline like that, what would make you think they do it now. why john stossel says it is, and a live "stossel" is coming up. (receptionist) gunderman group.

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immigration, bad federal policy as we saw with the tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors across the border. bad policy led to children being put at risk. the president's decision tonight will lead to more illegal immigration, not less, it is time for the president and congress to secure our border following meaningful reforms, there is no more time for political grandstanding. the governor left you on the possibility of threat early on he might sue the government over this move. to bill clinton's housing and urban development secretary henry cisneros on what comes next. good to have you. what do you make of this and the reaction it's getting particularly from the likes of rick perry and other border state governors who echo the same sentiment? >> neil, i think we have a big problem and the president promised to act, several people have questioned why now? and the answer is because he made a promise he would do it before the end of the year.

from january through may. neil: so did the president, right, henry? many, many times. >> he said he would act before the end of the year, and he has. neil: i'm talking about when he first came into office why, now? >> well there are opportunities he's had earlier, that is true, but in this round, the president said he would take limited action, that which is well within his authority as president. there's a lot of wailing on the part of republicans and opponents to this. if they just look at it, what he said is he's going to take the previous deferred action program and expand it, and going to include parents of people who are u.s. citizens, children who are u.s. citizens here in the country and expand that program. so this is people who are working. this is people who he says he's going to require pay some

backtaxes. it is not an amnesty, it's a program that expands previous eligibility including people in technology and agriculture. so the truth of the matter, i do agree with governor perry, i also am in texas, that the right thing to do is to have the congress act and pass comprehensive immigration reform. that's still needed. neil: i understand, sir, but part of the comprehensive reform is much tougher tighter border security. republicans claim whatever the president has offered has been weak, and he didn't leave out much in his announcements tonight that anything stronger is coming down the pipe? >> everybody has for a decade understood three elements to comprehensive immigration reform, secure the border, tougher tighter, second, legalization, not citizenship but legalization, and as the senate voted a path. 13 year path to eventually

become a citizen. neil: it's always the weak and the missing link. >> no, i think we've got a very tough border security now. neil: we just had 80,000 kids cross this past summer, henry? >> yes, and many of them were stopped at the border and sent back. that was a unique case, and obviously frustrating for a lot of us, but in -- on the whole, the border is more secure now than it has ever been. the problem is if you just do border security, you're not solving the problem internally with the 12 million people here who are working and not going to be deported because we have no way to deport 12 million people. there is a real problem. we all have to agree, there's a real problem but congress needs to do its part. the president has taken a step. let us not let that stop the congress from doing its duty and doing what ha t has to do. they still can and should and

that's the right eventual answer. neil: thank you, henry cisneros. the guy who runs hardy's, it's not all the illegals who get to stay but all the legal americans whose jobs could be in jeopardy, particularly in your industry, explain, andy? >> neil, number one, i think the people the president is talking about are already here and may already have jobs. i've been a big supporter of immigration reform, written articles about it. neil: yes, you have. >> i was in the washington times on the letter of american business leaders and republicans that want action on immigration reform. i can't support president legislating. you don't have to listen to orrin hatch for this. the president said he couldn't take this kind of action because he wasn't a dictator. you can't accept the president legislatively. we just sent the -- the american voters sent a message to the president, clearer than any midterm election in the history of the country. the message was stop.

we want you to govern. we want washington to work. they gave republicans the senate, they increased the majority in the house because they want the government to work. why would the president do the one thing that the republican and democratic leadership told him would make immigration reform if not impossible, at least more difficult? the reason is. neil: voters, voters. >> the president does not want the issue to go away, democrats like the issue, they think it gets them votes. republicans want this issue solved, resolved. it takes legislation to do it, not executive fiat. and what the president did tonight could absolutely destroy all of that, and i hope the immigration community understands. neil: let me ask you, with the millions coming out of the shadows, would they be a threat to those who had jobs or looking to get jobs in this country? >> it's possible if we let more immigrants in, it would affect jobs.

however, these people by n here five years. if they've been here five years, i'd like to see them enter the workforce. they might be additive to the workforce, if they are already employed, i'd like to see them paying taxes. there are good reasons to do what the president did. he doesn't have the authority to do it and it destroys the potential, may destroy the potential. i hope the republicans don't take the bait on this. they should not take the bait. but could destroy the potential for immigration reform, that would be a huge loss for the american people and the immigrant community as well. neil: to say nothing of all of the other pieces of legislation hanging out there. very eloquent voice on the subject trying to appeal to the left and the right. what the president outlined today is this is a path way to coming out of the shadows, more than a pathway to citizenship. a pathway out of inevitable deportation. so three years to do just that. and they don't get any special

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the discretion to do this. he's going to make a bigger mess of this, and it's going to embolden illegals to keep flooding the border. what do you say? >> well, of course it will, and we have to recognize that, you know, when these people are here and they can be here legally and not be -- we're not worried about deporting them, of course, they're going to get access to our medical system. of course, to the education system. neil: he says no, doctor, that's not the case. but you argue they can actually pay outright for obamacare. question is whether they can get subsidies under obamacare, right? >> well, you know, he said a lot of things that don't have a lot of veracity to them. but the fact of the matter is we know if they're here, they're going to be taken care of. they're not going to say we're not taking care of you, forget about it. neil: how is it different than

someone popping up in the emergency room and getting service because all good doctors like yourself are going to provide it? >> it's not any different. here's the thing people are not thinking about. we already have a national debt approaching $18 trillion. throwing millions more people into the mix is not going to help us. also think about the fact that there are so many of our own people who are having a very difficult time finding jobs making ends meet, this is not going to aid those people, this is going to make it more difficult for them. is there every a time when we think about our own people first? like when you are on an airplane, if the mask comes down, put your own mask on first and then help the person next to you. people are hurting in the inner cities, in appalachia, in the rural areas. if we could have a presidential interest in those people, it

would make a very, very big difference. and you know lawless, illegal immigration should not be rewarded by lawless executive action. neil: but the president responds to that, doctor, by saying these folks are going to start paying taxes, start paying their freight, you say what? >> i don't think that they're going to be paying a lot of taxes, and i believe the benefits are probably going to outweigh the taxes very significantly, if taxes are paid at all. basically it is just a gigantic amnesty program, call it what it is. he love to redefine thing, and we've already seen they don't think that the american people are very smart so they can say anything and people lap it up and say yeah, yeah, that's what the president said. i think people are smarter than that quite frankly. but the real question is will the republicans have the back

bone to stand up to this, and really do something about it. neil: and how they stand up to it. dr. ben carson, thank you, very good to see you. >> it's not only folks like ben carson or republican border state governors in general, the president is increasingly alienating the base. union workers upset about how he's ignoring keystone. now the threat to their very jobs. this union guy is upset. he's next.

. neil: republicans aren't happy including speaker john boehner

said an action like this would exceed his authority and he may have changed his position but that doesn't change the constitution by ignoring the will of the american people. squandered what little credibility he had left. and to add insult to injury for the president. texas attorney general incoming governor elect greg abbott is pledging a court challenge and many legal scholars tell me that wouldn't go very far, but nevertheless, they are pushing it in texas, other states will likely follow suit, particularly border states. not just republicans lashing out over this. teamsters union member says the president cut union workers off at the knees, why do you say, that joe? >> neil, neil, neil! where do i start? i mean i'm so happy they can sit here and say i was on with you a week ago and i voted republican, and you asked me why. why? because this guy is not

listening. not listening to the american worker, not listening to even the union guys that did vote for him in his candidates, and backed some of his measures. it's ridiculous. neil: you got burned on keystone and you're saying you're getting burned on this. the president said these guys pose no risks to your job. what do you say? >> you don't think that these folks are going to -- he's proposing that they're going to come out of woodwork and they're going to work, you know, little landscaping jobs? absolutely not. they want the union skilled jobs. we all know where they are at 6:30 in the morning at the big box stores getting ready to make $15 for a day's worth of work of hanging plywood. i.c.e. upons where they are. this is a threat. we are in the most vulnerable spot with our economy, it's like the economy is just getting up again from six years

of slumber and on a rocky ledge. on a tightrope. this guy is going to throw six million mere people into this vulnerable economy? i don't see how he does it. neil: union guys like you, you'd have new members, sign them up, pay dues, paying taxes, what do you think? >> i'm a trained skilled union worker, 30 years on the job. our union trains people, driving schools for the teamsters. the local electric workers send their guys to school for the new codes and the carpenter's union does the same thing. this is not good. they want to work cheaper, quicker and want to show us up here. this is totally a cut off at the knees for the union worker who the union machines have got stuffed to them too because they went out in droves and asked and begged and drove all

of the union guys out to the polls to vote, and what does this guy do? 14, 15 days later? keystone gone, and what else are they doing? bingo. letting six million more people come, in neil. it's ridiculous! >> i hear you. >> i don't understand how -- it's not an upset to the union worker. one guy trying to keep a family afloat in the middle class, they keep saying they're in the middle class, they stick and dilute the workforce, this is a dilution of the workforce, neil, and that's what you get. neil: thanks for speaking your mind. i appreciate. >> thanks for having me and giving the people a voice. neil: thank you, joe, tells it like it is. a message to republicans, don't get mad, get even, famous actor and bad guy robert davi saying that. he's next. want to know how

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neil: time to stop playing around. on how republicans have to respond and both sides get together and deal with this now. great ideas. >> absolutely. well, first of all, i've been speaking about immigration for about five years. trying to get the g.o.p. to take the lead on this. as other people have, of course. when my grandparents came from sicily, there was no press for italian and sicilian. let's make english -- every immigrant needs to learn english so they can't be manipulated by emotion when they're voting. that they get the understanding of new audience. community service (?) every year they've been here illegally. don't tax them. these are caregivers.

there's communities -- services that are needed. let them do four hours a week or two hours a week community service. something to give back to the community for every year they've been here illegally. that puts them back in the line to become citizens. i've talked to immigrants about this who then translated that into spanish and they liked that plan to become legal. neil: and most ar are hard workg decent folks. if republicans start with impeachment, it will go nowhere fast. >> it's same old. same old. same old. let's be positive. work with what this is. come up a plan. i want to pass a plan. let's do it. english, first. close the borders. all the talking points we've all had. close immigration for a year and a half. neil: you think what the president is proposing will

embolden people who want to hop over the border because america has the green light on it. >> how can you help, but not think that. neil: but no one will be deported. >> no. neil: unless you're a criminal. even then. >> the criminal thing that's the one thing you have a case for. otherwise it's our taxpayer thing. [no audio] and working people. let's find that pathway. but english, and assimilating into our country and community service. neil: that's all good ideas. not hollywood ideas. >> i don't think so. neil: how do you succeed. you're a great star, great actor, how do you succeed in an environment where they preach the opposite. >> i forge ahead. something so engrained in me about the wonderful land of ours. neil: i think they're scared of you. >> i gave james bond --

[no audio] neil: do you think this time will be different. both sides are so angry they're acting like competing mob families. >> let's take a lesson, g.o.p. from the president's presentation tonight and frame your argument that speaks to the american people because even if you -- even what he -- look, there's so many different things to this. let's find the compassionate ground to communicate to. community service is a good thing. it's 5 million people or 6 million people. neil: tens of millions more possibly. >> and the overflow of that. so the foundation of america where they're already already hurting us in our educational system. what will happen in that. in new york city they're putting extra teachers in. when my grandparents

came. is a gnat are a's mother taught english to the community. (?) neil: it's possible. robert paved the way. it's up to the rest of the world to listen. he makes sense in a couple of minutes than all these experts. stossel is next. stossel: our president has just spoken. he said, if you're here illegally, i'll make you a deal. here's his deal. obama: if you've been in america for more than five years, if you've registered, pass a criminal background check, pay your fair of taxes, you'll be able to apply to stay in this country temporarily. we won't deport you. stossel: some of his speech i like. 11 million illegals live in the shadows. the president said come out of the shadow