good evening, everybody. breaking news here tonight. president obama to follow through on his threat to unilaterally issue an executive fiat to legalize approximately five million illegal immigrants tomorrow. those individuals will be allowed to jump the line in front of the nearly six million people who have applied legally and have waited patiently, some for many years, for green card status. some of those folks have waited for more than a decade, in fact. the president himself posted an announcement on facebook today. the details of his constitutionally challenged executive amnesty fiat to be revealed, we learn, in a prime time address tomorrow evening.

>> everybody agrees that our immigration system is broken. unfortunately, washington has allowed the problem to fester for too long. so what i'm going to be laying out is the things that i can do with my lawful authority as president to make the system work better, even as i continue to work with congress and encourage them to get a bipartisan comprehensive bill that can solve the entire problem. >> he makes it sound as though, doesn't he, 1600 pennsylvania was located in some other city rather than washington. the details of his unilateral action are beginning to trickle out at this hour. long time immigration activist congressman luis guterros telling bill o'reilly the plan would call for two year work permits along with social security numbers for those illegal immigrants whose children are u.s. citizens. >> i think bill, the president is going to choose between five and ten year that you have to be

in the united states for five to ten years and you have to have been working here and you are going to pay for a background check, you are going to submit your fingerprints. if they come back clear, he's going to give you a work authorization for two years and a social security card. he will put you on the books paying taxes. >> the estimated number under those circumstances would be about two and a half million illegal immigrants if the president were to settle on a ten year residency. a number that rises to 3.3 million if he lowers the requirement to five years, another two million are expected to receive a waiver to stay in the country on technology and agriculture visas. an expected extension or elimination of the 31-year-old age limit for his daca program will add another half million. the number becomes impressive. the congressman among the 18 democrats who have been invited to the white house tonight for dinner and an explanation of

what's to come tomorrow. not a single republican was invited despite their incoming majority in both houses of congress. judiciary committee chairman excoriated the president in an op-ed today, writing quote, congress has not agreed on how to reform the immigration system but the president has decided to ignore the constitution and alter the law without new statutes. this is a slap in the face of the american people who voted on november 4th to change the way washington operates. in fact, the "wall street journal" releasing a poll today showing just 38% of those surveyed support the president taking executive action on the issue of immigration. the president also today placing the blame on congressional inaction in justifying that executive fiat. >> the case the president will

make is that we have seen the congress has not acted and so the question is should the president use the authority that's vested within the constitution, invested with the presidency, to try to address some of these problems, and the president i think pretty unequivocally believes that the answer to that question is he should take the steps that are necessary to try to solve some of these problems. >> our next guest says america's immigration laws are only as good as our commitment to their enforcement. joining us is congressman randy forbes, member of the judiciary committee that has passed four immigration measures. he also serves on the house armed services committee. congressman, good to see you. your boss, as i just reported, the chairman of the judiciary committee, saying by acting lawlessly and assuming legislative power, the president is driving full speed toward a constitutional crisis threatening to unravel the nation's system of checks and balances. are we there? >> lou, i can only sum this up

in two words. staggering arrogance. because you look at the president and the president's talking about congress not acting. well, it's his democrat senate that sat on 387 bills over the last years and have done nothing. you don't even have the republican senate sworn in yet and the president is trying to take this action. he's not trying to fix the law. he's trying to break the law and you're exactly right. we are going to be headed for a constitutional crisis that the president's making and perhaps one of the worst things is he's going to poison this well so much that we are not going to be able to do the fixes that we really need to do to reform the immigration system. >> the immigration system will be subject to my commentary here tonight. i hear this over and over. it's been repeated to the point that i think it has become, in fact, a big lie perpetrated by the way by president obama find it's a convenient device, and the reality is quite different.

we have an immigration system, if the laws are enforced and our border is secured, we don't have a problem in the world. do you agree, congressman? >> well, lou, it's exactly what you said. it's not that you don't have the laws on the books. when the president says that the system is broke, it's broke because he won't enforce the law. if he enforced the law the system would not be broken. i would say this, lou. there are some things that we need to do to tweak that system. the house has been doing that with a series of incremental bills where we let everybody come to the table, we make the changes that are needed. that's the way we need to approach this. but for the president to essentially come to you and say look, if you don't give me your car, i'm going to steal your car, and then use the fact that you didn't give him the car as justification to break the law, that just doesn't make sense and as you said with the poll, the american people aren't buying what he's selling. >> i wish the president, the federal government would settle on just one of my cars. we can come to a deal pretty quickly.

>> that would be a lot cheaper for all of us. >> the reality is as you say, four bills reported out of the committee passed by the committee, foundation which i support in every way. the approach that your committee has taken and this is the foundation on border security, interior enforcement, guest worker visas, high skilled worker visas, this is the foundation of immigration reform, in my opinion, yet the president won't even take up those issues with you. he insists on the senate bill, he is now issuing an executive fiat. you mentioned the constitutional crisis. i have heard some people talking, appropriations chairman talking about recission. you and i and everyone who is informed knows that that's all but an impossibility. to get a recission bill through. there is some talk about not funding -- there is no, as far as i can see, realistic way to

stop the consequences to halt the impact of his executive fiat. prove me wrong. tell me i'm wrong, please. >> well, lou, i wish you were completely wrong. you're not. any time we have someone breaks the law, it hurts the system. when the president breaks the law, it puts the system in crisis. that's what the president's doing. there are some things that we will be doing to try to mitigate what the president is doing, but there is no question when he puts us into this constitutional spiral, this isn't a challenge between the president and the republicans. this is a challenge between the president and the constitution of the united states. that's what makes it so difficult. >> congressman randy forbes, always good to see you. thank you. >> thank you, lou. obamacare architect professor jonathan gruber of m.i.t. says it took what he calls a lack of transparency and quote, the stupidity of the american voter to pass

obamacare. now we are learning it also allegedly took threats and tantrums to launch the obamacare website. according to a newly uncovered e-mail, those pesky things, from the former second ranking official at the centers for medicare and medicaid service who complained that her boss at the time, cms administrator, used what she called cruel and uncaring tactics to make sure that website launched on time. the official went on to say she was threatened with a demotion or forced retirement if she did not deliver. fact of the matter is they hit the deadline but everything else hit the website. gruber himself finally facing some consequences for his endless disparagement of americans' intelligence. the m.i.t. professor stepping down from a consultancy contract with the state of vermont after folks there organized a petition calling for his ouster.

they are putting in single pair system. it's going to be wonderful, i'm told. if he needs consoling, some clips were put together of democrats who just lavishly praise his work. >> most people think he's one of the best outside experts. >> mr. gruber at m.i.t. >> i don't know if you had seen jonathan gruber's m.i.t. analysis. >> jonathan gruber is one of the most respected economists in the world. >> i have stolen ideas from liberally john gruber. >> john gruber. he must be in shock tonight. none of those folks can remember him. none of those folks seem to know what role he played in obamacare. i don't know if they could recognize him right now. they can't put enough distance between themselves and the professor. and the mainstream liberal national media ignoring the story. politifact reporting that since the story broke last monday, cnn has mentioned gruber 27 times. msnbc mustering the courage to

mention him 79 times. fox news, well, 779 times. republicans now circulating a list of the 22 times president obama has admitted he does not have the constitutional authority to change immigration laws through executive action. the president will move forward with executive amnesty the white house says despite his repeated acknowledgment of the limitations of the presidency. our next guest, i'm told reliably blames republican. joining me the five cohost columnist for the hill, juan williams. great to have you here. your spokesman today saying the president's executive action will quote, cement his legacy of lawlessness and ruin the chances for congressional action on this issue and many others. don't you think the president is making a pretty serious mistake poisoning that well? >> well, speaker boehner called him emperor obama, lou, and it struck me that gee, things were

going so well before, why would emperor obama risk a good relationship, a productive relationship, with republicans on the hill. in fact, there has not been a good relationship and from the president's perspective, he has been waiting and remember, there was a senate bill, a bipartisan senate bill, 14 republicans on board, that's been sitting there for a year and a half. harry reid, the democratic senate majority leader for the moment before republicans take over, he said if republicans just put it up for a vote, it would pass. there are the votes there to pass the bill. >> the good thing about that, i'm glad you reminded me that harry said that, because he would never hold up a vote in the senate. i know he would not. i can imagine the outrage he must feel deep within his soul. the idea that speaker boehner and the house of representatives would consider themselves an equal part of government with volition of their own and that there be some burden for them to

pass what the senate sent over and of course, to do exactly what the president insists, if that's where he's drawing his authority to issue executive fiats, he is going to have a laundry list of issues that he can now go after, right? >> well, you know, your point is well taken. there's a lot of politics at play here but i would come back at you by saying i don't think there's anybody who thinks that the immigration system works well in the country, and big business, the chamber of commerce, which is very supportive of the republican party, is at the front of that march saying we want a new immigration system. part of apparently what the president will announce tomorrow is an increase in these visas that will bring in high skilled talented people, especially sought after by the high tech industry. >> the high tech industry, microsoft, for example, has a handful of visa holders. i have heard this. bill gates saying we need an infinity of immigrant workers.

none of them approach the issue from the standpoint of wages in this country and a middle class that is being atritted and that is we have had stagnant wages in this country over the past 15 years and arguably working men and women have had basically stagnant wages for three decades now. that doesn't suggest we need more immigrant workers and certainly illegal immigrant workers when we are bringing in millions of folks lawfully every year. >> i have a different view, which is that there's a very high percentage of the immigrants who start their own businesses. don't forget, you look at something like google, that's an immigrant. >> whoa, whoa, whoa. the founders of google aren't illegal immigrants. >> i didn't say -- no, no. in other words -- >> why is it that you wild-eyed amnesty seekers and open borders advocates always try to conflate

legal and illegal immigration? >> no, no, no. first of all, i'm not an open border guy. but i would say this, that if you let people who are well educated and have ideas and talent then leave our country after getting an education here, you are taking away people who could create jobs. >> is there anyone who has introduced legislation or even suggested that we deport them? that we not embrace them? i don't think so. i think that's part of quote unquote, big lie, the broken immigration system. the fact -- well, you know, the facts are we are going to see a president test his constitutional powers and perhaps the patience of some 60% of americans who say they don't want him to issue such a decree. >> there's political risk there. i agree with you on that. i agree with you there's tremendous political risk for the president but i think there's going to be some response also from the latino community whose families have been torn apart by record levels

of deportation. >> the consequences of their decision to enter the country illegally are the burden and the responsibility of exactly whom? >> i think we have benefited economically. remember -- >> juan, we can't continue that without an answer. >> i think the country has benefited from them, lou. >> i am sure that we did. but i'm just saying, who made the decision to come here and to endure those consequences, juan? >> well, they pay taxes. but they don't get the benefits. they don't get the social security. >> you resist the answer. >> what's the answer? >> i will leave you with the question to contemplate until our next time and i hope it's soon. juan, thanks very much. >> you're welcome, lou. israeli prime minister netanyahu vows revenge after four rabbis, three of them american, are slaughtered in a gruesome terrorist attack in a jerusalem synagogue. what is vladimir putin planning next for ukraine?

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tension tonight rising inut moscow today. nato's secretary general today

did issue a warning about russian forces in ukraine. he said quote, this is a serious military buildup and we call on russia to pull back its treeps. joining us tonight, former nato commander and dean of the fletcher school at tufts university, admiral james stavrides. good to have you with us, admiral. is there any doubt in anyone's mind that russia has invaded ukraine? >> absolutely not. an invasion is the imposition of armed forces across a sovereign border for political purpose without the consent of that sovereign nation. there is no question that has happened, lou. >> why is it that nato, president obama and others, are reluctant to call it what it obviously is? >> lou, i don't know. clearly, this requires a forceful response. vladimir putin is driving the train back to a new cold war.

we should not let that occur and we cannot let this kind of aggression go unanswered. >> russians, in fact, including president putin, are bragging that they have tactical nuclear superiority over nato and the united states along their western border with europe. do you concur? >> they do. russia has many more tactical nuclear weapons but lou, this is not going to turn into a tactical nuclear exchange. what we should be doing is aggressively aiding the ukrainian military and building up their conventional capability. if we can cause the ukrainians to exact a real price from the russian military forces, i think we can start to turn this thing around. >> how is it that this president has refused to in any way support ukraine? when i say in any way, militarily, with significant weaponry, ordnance and materiel? >> i think it's a mistake not to

do so and we ought to be working that both bilaterally directly with ukraine and additionally through nato, through the nato channels. i think if we did those two things and we got sufficient assistance, ammunition, fuel, weapons systems, intelligence, information, cyberassistance, i think the ukrainians are capable of exacting enough of a price to back the russians off. without our help, there will be a de facto control of eastern ukraine by the russians. >> attacks in jerusalem, four rabbis, a policeman killed today. even as talks proceed between the united states and the western powers and iran toward a nuclear agreement. what are your thoughts and how much can israel tolerate here? >> well, i think prime minister

netanyahu has spoken very forcefully on this and i agree with him. this kind of action, killing innocent worshippers in a synagogue, making literally a river of blood through that synagogue, is outrageous. we should be hearing more international condemnation of this and i think israel needs to take a forceful response at this point. >> how about its allies? whether in the united states or europe, what should be the response of nations concerned for the state of israel? >> well, the first and most important thing we can do is to make sure, lou, that iran does not obtain a nuclear weapon. i hope we are not going to cut a deal that in some way creates a path to a nuclear device for iran. that's job one of the allies of israel. job two is to support them politically around the world and

job three is to partner with their military in terms of information, intelligence sharing, logistics, weapons, technology, the things we do today because the united states does generally stand with israel. we need to be with them at this very difficult time. >> admiral, always good to see you. thanks for being here. >> thanks, lou. western space agencies tracking a mysterious russian satellite that could, some fear, be part of a reincarnation of a soviet era program to attack or jam other satellites. this satellite which was launched in may has since taken a confusing orbit and path, and even appeared to rendezvous with a piece of the rocket that launched it. that has raised concern among military officials. we will keep you advised on this as we learn more. up next, president obama joining other democrats in

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your comments now on what appears to be the democratic party's case of mass amnesia brought on by obamacare architect jonathan gruber. by now you surely know who he is. here are a few beauties from the gruber hit parade and the administration. >> -- which said healthy people are going to pay in, it would not have passed just like lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. basically call it the stupidity of the american voter or whatever but that was critical to get this to pass. >> it's a very clever exploitation of the lack of

economic understanding of the american voter. >> [ inaudible ]. >> and now democrats are trying to pretend that they don't even -- have no idea who this guy gruber is. they never heard of him, they say. >> i just heard about this. i get well briefed before i come out here. the fact that some adviser who never worked on our staff expressed an opinion that i completely disagree with in terms of the voters, is no reflection on the actual process that was run. >> i'm wondering if you might have some pushback or some comment or --

>> i really don't. you can talk to dr. gruber about what he said but i don't have a comment about his comments. i don't know who he is. let's put him aside. >> they would like to put him aside. those democratic denials, despite the fact that they paid gruber nearly $6 million over, well, since about 2000 and unfortunately for mr. obama, because of those pesky white house records that show that gruber was actually in the white house to talk about obamacare at least 19 times and at least one of those times, he met with president obama. how do we know? because gruber himself talked about it in this pbs "frontline" interview. >> he is worried about cost control and so we had a meeting in the oval office with several experts, including myself, on what can we do to get credible savings on cost control that the congressional budget office would recognize and score as savings in this law. >> that's not a connection that

president obama can credibly dispute. that doesn't mean he won't dispute it, as we have found out over the years. and another irritating problem for the democrats and the president who can't seem to remember the obamacare architect, let me help them all out, if i may. here is professor gruber as he appeared in this obama campaign video. he is kind of obvious. see if you can pick him out. >> i helped governor romney develop his health care reform or romneycare before going down to washington to help president obama develop his national version of that law. >> some adviser, as president obama tried to put it rather implausibly, don't you think? the white house and the democratic party still trying to cover up gruber-gate with just bald denials. they seem to be the ones who are far more stupid than any of us, just plain old american citizens, and delusional in the face of much, much video evidence of the real truth.

here is incontrovertible evidence that president obama misspoke not only about obamacare but in his denial of not knowing the good professor. take it away, mr. president. >> you have already drawn some of the brightest minds from academia and policy circles. many of them, i have stolen ideas from liberally, people ranging from robert gordon to austin goolsbee, jon gruber. >> jon gruber. i'm sorry, did i hear that right? jon gruber, he said. the guy he now says he doesn't know but has been stealing ideas from for at least eight years. at least now president obama owes professor gruber a debt of gratitude. perhaps we all do. for at long last bringing at least some, some sliver of transparency to the obama administration. now our quotation of the evening.

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we're delighted to have join us now phil curpin, president of american commitment, the chairman of the internet freedom coalition. it's his group that uncovered a number of these gruber videos, including the one that started it all and the video of president obama today saying he had to thank jon gruber for the ideas he had stolen from him and others. phil, great to have you here. these videos are shaking, i would say, the administration to its core, would you not? >> it's pretty amazing, lou. i would point out that he stole those ideas liberally. i think that word is pretty important. >> you have been working on that, haven't you, phil? >> it just came to me. just came to me, lou, but i think that is important to point out. >> i do think so. and the fact is that it's also important to point out that as we at fox are reporting right

now, the net neutrality position the president has taken now. included in that is the universal tax which is a bit of a hidden tax, should they move forward with this plan to, if you will, regulate it by keeping things the same which is kind of the obama-esque reasoning i love to hear them contrive. >> yeah. yeah, this is a really important point for people to understand. there are a lot of people out there look at this whole issue and say i don't understand how these networks work, i don't care how they work, if i turn on my computer and it works, i'm happy and i'm not going to get involved in this issue. but every single person watching the show right now needs to understand that obama's plan to turn the internet into a public utility doesn't just mean regulation, it means a lot of taxes as well, in particular the universal service fund tax that applies to your phone bill right now, if you still have a phone bill, is 16.1%, actually slated to go up to 19.6% under a new increase they just announced. if they reclassify the internet

as a telecommunications service as the president has proposed, that means the universal service fund tax that applies to your phone would also apply to your internet and that means an extra 19% tax on top of whatever you're paying for internet. >> the idea that the president would do this, this is a president who has brought onerous taxes in his administration, many of which people are unaware of for some reason, but this is a suffocating environment that's been created for business, for consumers, in point of fact, and people seem to be sort of unwittingly going along with what is an increasingly oppressive government, whether it's in this digital age or not. folks need to have an ability to preserve their constitutional rights and step away from big brother and this huge, huge central government that this president has created. >> yeah, lou, what's really shameful about this proposal i

think is you've got a sector of the economy that's performing phenomenally well. no one would say the internet sector is performing badly, that you can't sign up for broadband internet, it hasn't been getting better, hasn't been an engine of innovation. yet the administration looks at that and says government could do better, let's take this competitive, vibrant free market private investment-driven industry, let it be driven by bureaucrats, regulators and taxes. that would be a real tragedy if it happened. >> that sounds like a recipe for success every time. phil, great to have you with us. we thank you for being with us. the president of american commitment. good to have you here. come back soon. up next, lauded by hollywood celebrities, billionaire investors and powerful heads of state. a legendary career inspiring people to act and now, he wants to make them a little money as well. dad, i know i haven't said this often enough, but thank you.

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a new "usa today" poll shows close to half of those surveyed, 46%, say president obama should wait for the new republican-controlled congress before taking executive action on illegal immigration. 42% saying he should take action now. joining me now, two of the best attorneys anywhere, lise wheel and mercedes colvin. let's start with executive action. any issues that you think the president should know about? >> there are laws in place and -- >> the executive order is out there, is a way for him to pass these laws, yes, but he himself said what in 2013? i can't possibly do this. now that he's sort of a lame duck, he's going to try. will this go into court action? absolutely. >> there are three areas of government. he's got the judiciary, the executive and the legislative branch. mr. president, you really should let the laws reside within the

legislative branch. >> would you agree with me that if he does this, because there's a lot involved here, there are traditions, conventions as well, there's law and the constitution and what our founders envisioned. would you agree with me that he consigns himself to the wrong side of history? >> you go back to a 1952 decision -- >> it's a yes or no question. >> i'm a lawyer. i'm a lawyer. >> i go into law and i say the steelworkers, that was overstepping -- you got me off my mark. >> just give me the brief brief. >> the brief brief is potentially. maybe. >> mercedes -- >> certainly he's going to defy what's been happening in the past. historically, the judiciary stepped in and said you have overstepped your grounds when other presidents have done the same thing by executing executive orders and bypassing legislative branch of

government. >> ferguson, missouri. this is, i can only call it an attorney general who has incited, in my judgment, my personal opinion, a president who has failed to lead or to assure our appeal to the residents, the citizens of ferguson. what are we to make of this? >> i think it's embarrassing to think we think the whole town is going to explode in violence with one decision or the other. this is a rule of law and the grand jury -- >> it's what the president, al sharpton, it's what the activists in that town and whether they have been coopted by various other organizations or not, they are basically having the compliant national media saying exactly that. >> if you keep saying they are going to riot, they are going to riot and national guard is here because everyone is going to riot, you know what, you will have a riot. stop it.

why don't you sit down and tell these leaders gather people around, make sure, get some -- >> when you say you, who -- >> the political -- >> the president? >> the president -- >> how about the attorney general? >> attorney general that condemns the police department before the investigation is complete. >> the attorney general should not step in until after the grand jury either comes up with an indictment or -- >> it's too late for that. >> i know. i know. then can say we will go forward with the civil rights violation or not. but it was not his place to do that before the criminal grand jury. >> when have we ever seen an attorney general step in and say we have to make all these changes? the investigation hasn't even been completed and you still have the grand jury. >> i would think he would be, and he is not, but i would think he would be ashamed and especially ba embarrassed. i really would. his conduct has been for some time to me at least suspect. harvard, north carolina, an affirmative action lawsuit saying that their racial quotas are, if you will call them that, i'm using shorthand, not legal

terminology, forgive me for that, are really denying rights to certain students, asian in particular, who can't get in even though they got better grades, better test scores. >> there's a limit on -- this is my alma mater so i want to stick up for them a little bit. >> north carolina. >> yeah, that's it, north carolina. no, harvard. what i like is -- >> who's right, who's wrong? >> harvard is not in the right. i hate to say that. don't send me hate letters. >> sandra day o'connor says affirmative action had a place in history but at this point, affirmative action should be eliminated. >> we have already righted the wrong. at least the supreme court has stepped in and said -- >> i like what i think is maybe race neutral but look at

economics. look at kids who are coming from poor families. look at that. then they have to build themselves up from the boot straps to get into college. >> then it's not race related. >> but if it's not race related, then how do you accommodate the interest of having a diverse student body? >> you do it economically, though. that's how you do it. >> if you are talking about financially, the system that would lead to that result, i don't see any guarantee that doing it economically, would result in a level of diversity -- >> people of economic disparity have not even wanted to apply to those schools because of the ticket it carries. >> harvard for years has said anyone who gets into their university will be in and they will provide the financing and that's not, i mean, why are you acting like that? >> i know they say it. i hope they do it. >> they have been doing it for years. they were the first to do so.

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