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. neil: sir richard branson, and the book is the virgin way and everything i know about leadership. agree with his style or politics, the fact of the matter is when average folks across the globe were asked who they would really like to work for? who would be a cool boss? sir richard came up. number 2 was rupert murdoch. okay. [ laughter ] >> anyway, all things aside, sir richard branson back with us, and his leadership style is pretty much don't be a jerk, don't be dictatorial, don't be shouting at workers or making their life hell. you are a big advocate of unlimited vacation time, you feel that by throwing a lot of

rules at workers, they're not as, what, happy? productive? both? >> most of our life is spent at work, and therefore life should be fun, interesting, entertaining, it should be rewarding. and that's -- that is the virgin way, that's the way we treat our people. as i child, if i criticized somebody, my parents would send me to the mirror and ask me to stand and look at myself for five minutes because it reflected so badly. neil: interesting. >> we praise people for the best in people, and in return, we get the best. neil: do you run across people who don't get the best? you get the jerks? you are being accommodating a boss as you can be. they don't get it. they're slugs and gotta go. >> there is one person who stole from virgin. neil: that's not good.

>> and i took him into the office and said that was not a clever thing to do. [ laughter ] >> is that really how you did it? >> and i gave him a second chance. neil: really? >> that guy was so loyal us to, he signed rolling stone, boy george, you know, i do think that we -- everybody deserves a second chance on occasions and i think a company that, if you run your company like a family, you don't throw your children out in the street. neil: no, your workers are rabidly loyal, you don't have a lot of turnover, obviously, you practice what you preach. you must have a tough guy, woman, who is the tough cop, or do you? >> i hope we don't -- for instance, if somebody is not performing well, rather than sacking them, we will find them a different job where they will

perform well. neil: within the conglomerate? >> yeah. obviously, they'll be let go, but it doesn't happen very often. neil: when you talk about the unlimited vacation policy idea. i think it was your daughter who conveyed that to you. was it netflix had something like that? >> she said, particularly in america, america hardly gives its people any holidays whatsoever. she's about to be a mom, and, you know, she said it's wrong that the vacation time is so short, so we thought we would experiment, and starting with our head offices around the world. if anybody wants to take holiday any time, they can. neil: what if everyone did at the same time. >> they must get the job done, and a company must keep running, and so if flexible, people want to work from home, they should be able to work from home. if they want to work from home on fridays and mondays, they should be able to consider doing that.

if they want to share their job with somebody else. so i think flexibility is important, particularly for women who have got children and want to see their kids a bit. neil: space. you're big on space. comes at a time when the united states is government dependent, governments are backing out of this, and you are offering a private way for average folks and many others to do it. and quite a few have signed up for it. where do we stand on this? >> taken longer than i thought. i suspected a year or so ago, we would have been in space by now. i believe by the end of this year, we are to offer our first test flight into space with this craft will have happened, and i do believe by round about march, april of next year, myself and my son will be going up. neil: really? >> we'll be the sort of guinea pig. neil: you pay how much? >> the initial price is $250,000. if you want to go on a russian

spaceship it is 40, 50 million dollars. neil: there is that, and you go up and down, right? >> the initial flights are short. they'll be the pine either flight which will lead on point to point travel. we want to take to people orbitally around the world, that will be the very next exciting project we'll be working on, and then, you know, we've got plans to raise satellites in space. there's a lot of very very exciting things which will happen, but the best bit of news which i can tell you today is our rockets are now, you know, working the full length of time, very consistently, and we feel confident that by christmas we will have done the first test flight into space. neil: will we be able to find cheaper ways to hitch a ride with you rather than the 60 million we're spending with the russians? >> we'll be charging about $250,000. massively cheaper. something like 2% of the privacy the russians. neil: it's a cool idea.

a lot of your ideas are cool. outside the box. richard branson, the virgin way, everything i been leadership, and part of that is being a nice guy. it can be contagious, it can work. pretty much like me. hurry up! we got to go to a break. >> what are you laughing about? [ @?

>> we will not have one vote, that provide women equal pay. >> republican laws restrict access to voting. >> they prefer to go on, long with women being paid less than men. neil: am i missing something? how did this debate over the minimum wage turn into a concerted attack on women. a war on women? here to help meous claudia, and jewely and sherri? >> it is a an election year. neil: let me write that down. >> we have equal pay act, it is against the law to discriminate against women. they make it sound like that. well, it is the law, you know president could set a good

example. we know that the obama white house does not pay women the same as men. i'm not saying it does not happen, i do think that women hit a glass ceiling they go out and start businesses, so guess what women create,ed own more businesses in fortune 500. you will have -- >> that transcends whole gender thing. you are a small the business owner it is about providing opportunity to benefit men and women. >> we don't need workers, men women paid equally? >> absolutely it is paided on the job, we do not have any women operating a press right now, but when i was working we did she was fabulous, and got paid based on merit not a government intervention to how

we should pay people. i think women deserve to be based on merit not a government regulation. neil: how did this get mixed up in the debate. >> if you look at actual metrics, obamacare, that .epublicans rail against, but more woman are affected by min minimum wage. neil: a small component. now then, are you saying that republicans would look people in the eye say, i think you are worth less than a man. >> i don't think they would look

me in the eye. they would not look me in the eye no more than look you in the eye. neil: it is against the law. >> thanks to lilly ledbetter. republicans did not vote for it they would not look me in the eye, but their votes under score. >> no, i don't agrow, with government gets involved, you force people to do things that is not good for their business in 1931, davis-bacon act designed to keep av one african-american nonunion black owned businesses from getting a construct contract they wanted to keep those for the whites black businesses were shut out, black businesses were able to compete, and save the government. neil: present day. >> they forced prevailing wage that is what do who you force a men all wage, you kill jobs, and eliminate someone's ability to create the jobs. neil: solution is to hear some of these, democrats say you have

to lift minimum wage, then war on women will cease to be a war on women. >> lute sh absolutely not. >> we have not even have a minimum wage, at-this-point the market should determine what the wage is. obamacare. obamacare. >> i get this. >> wait. >> neil: could i ask you this. >> you could. neil: do you think this is just taking a side issue, making a big issue to get people's attention away from health care. democratic strategist don't top use the word recovery. that is a loaded term is this a load of you know what?

>> no, two things are going on, yes there is an election. and benghazi all of a sudden out front and center. could it be because hill clinton may be the next president. >> no. >> no, benghazi is legitimate. o.it is accentuateed there is a election, and part because of the case. right now they demonstrate that -- >> they are against women? they are -- >> if i. >> no. if i say that women, in particular single women are helped -- >> let's say 2 million are women. >> we don't have many people,

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neil: i knew he was big but not this big. so we asked superstar john cena to give me tips on how to become the most solid anchor on social media. >> the social media as a champion is year and all-around nice guy. he will give us a tip how you get those followers. i frankly cannot be bothered to. >> good to have you. >> how do you have 20 million? >> i have been on that twitter saying for about one afternoon that makes me an expert. most are socialite's been a

musician so get a video. take this down. ♪ ♪ we will put it on you to and my. neil: you have to win the kids over? >> you have to make the video. they will go crazy. shave your legs or your head or both. [laughter] said the whole ryan is the sexual tape. neil: there is an idea. >> did is a creation space. but take that down. neil: you had 10 followers then 10,000 and 100,000 now the most solid athletes in though world.

how do you do that? >> here is the thing of social that working with the voice of the individual. when you gain interest i like this guy then all athletes and celebrities have social media but it is just the way that they use it. neil: data is crucial? >> there are some celebrities or athletes that say this is set up for someone but monitored by another but then there is the of voice of the of superstar so it is my voice but yet, use brand conglomerate san inc. sponsors into might twitter i'd like change time i am launching a weight-loss campaigns through 2010 -- through twitter how to use this myself so i tweet my

success, my meals, a certain comments and to. neil: even with that weight-loss that segment. >> but one day? >> if you attach yourself and you realize this would be big but other stars white tiger woods i have to reconnect i have alienated them but you are full throttle. >> i did not just embrace this but i was reluctant i want to keep the magic in the program then it becomes larger than life and you have to get in or you are blown over. neil: that someone else will pick up your fans? >> this is the way people communicate. neil: but at your expense? how did you know, they

don't just do everything and not watching? >> you will not get mowed over but if you don't have a digital presence you are missing out with so much interaction with a -- whether they are your finance or not. i often will tweet to what i am thinking and put it out in my own words. people like to reach tweet'' so people that are not even in the hands of mine but woolsey this is great did i will follow john cena. then you become interested. neil: now you are the brand they are quoting? >> i said something be another day that cowardice is a decision so the year is an emotion. face your fears and do the of best you can.

neil: you would never do something about of character that you are never a loser? >> that is not be but it is not w. w. eves messaging that people can latch onto that. whether they'll latch onto food the person is typing the message put them in that state and a base. neil: but you engage the audience so i thought if i was a wrestler, here is what i got. neil the real deal cavuto? >> i like it. >> doughboy. [laughter] another one. i italian stud muffin. >> if you were going to have a sexual tapes.

>> and the other groups absolutely. you and i are simpatico on this. >> do you travel to the bakery? >> writes:. >> right on the. [laughter] >> but let me finish this and as soon as i do. in the meantime as good as he is and i have then working at this for years. spicule lays make me laugh. that is the alternative. who tell him where the of billed by the office is. courtney b. howard wwe situation.t message alert sound) tricia is having a sleepover tonight can i go? i wonder about lucy's friends what should i say?

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. neil: one of the most popular guests we had on the show back with us right now. i always love him. a, he's good for ratings. his point today it's not only impossible to launch an ipo, increasingly impossible to keep the company. like the guys headed for a cliff because they can't find enough skilled workers. i'm talking about john ratzenberger, in every single pixar film. you're the best. you are concerned about this. big beef is what? >> it's x amount of years going around the country like paul revere. neil: you have been relentless. >> just put shop classes back in the schools. this is the first generation raised in the history of mankind that is illiterate in the use of tools. so, where is the next generation of factory workers

coming from? manufacturers? someone's got to build the ships, the planes, the gasoline pumps, not only the cars, repair the roads, build the bulldozers. neil: why do we give up on that? a cost savings thing? >> by fault. i was at woodstock. neil: that explains it. >> and helped promote the nonoffensive, high self-esteem is more important than actually having a skill. neil: [ laughter ] >> saved a lot of school districts a lot of money, but the mechanics, the engineers, the plumbers, it results in a lot higher prices for those guys to get them. getting a plumber is like waiting for the pope. >> the average age is 86 years old. they're not around anymore. neil: so what do we do? >> you become a third-world country, if the lights don't work, hot water is not coming out. right now what we need to do is let the kids play and climb trees and twist their ankles. it's okay, it's all right.

it happens. when we were playing outside in the 1800s. neil: pre-woodstock. >> we were problem solving. we were fixing our own bicycles, climbing trees and didn't get trophies for everything. neil: you and i were chatting over the break that everyone was a winner and, of course you and i know that everyone is not a winner. >> the advantage of being told you stink is at 8 years old you had an opportunity to face an emotional crisis, and learn how to handle it. you didn't have to wait until you're 30. you learn at 8 years old, my friends are playing baseball, and i'm sitting out, and find another sport, practice, work harder, do something, but it made you more of a person, a better man or whatever, but now there was a thing on tv the other day of a kindergarten graduation, and you could see the faces of those kids, they didn't know what was going on. but yet they have caps and gowns and the music is playing.

the parents are fluttering around. neil: that's the way it was at my college graduation. you sent an interesting tweet to the very subject. what are you saying here? a lot of reaction to this, i'm quoting, i'm afraid of a world run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies, just for participating. >> right. neil: what were you saying there? >> what brought us to the dance was the high standards, western civilization. anywhere standard, your job is to reach it. now we've lowered the standard. neil: are you making a reference to spanking your

kids, hitting kids. a little bit of that is okay despite all the controversies with a certain football star. >> i don't know it taught me a valuable lesson when i got back handed over the kitchen table. i remember the kitchen table passing underneath me. [ laughter ] >> do they go too far? critics today say that went too far. my father had nine foot arms. he could find me with the nine foot arms. >> find you? neil: in the back seat of the car, stretch. >> the arm had a mind of its own. was it too much then or now? >> i was a punk, i deserved it. neil: really? >> yeah, my father said something and here's what i did, i went -- >> ooh! >> ooh! >> ooh! i've never done that to a?

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a message from the foundation for a better life. neil: all right. to my daughter i am officially cool. partisanship is rocking this country. just turned the political world upside down. i think that offended liberals and conservatives. writing to the rock star to complain about his super right-wuydt dad even going

neil: it is my way or the highway. >> or that that is who you are. the person that believes these things. believes are important.

not as important as who we really are. for better or worse is not based on the believes, the character. neil: with your family and extended family to of politics, plot. >> a bit of both. my dad is the kind of person, bring up something very passionate and not -- it's not reading the progress. is that going to survive britain it's not a pleasant experience. milieus stand these are challenges that are worth pursuing. neil: you have gone outside. the past three days definition. the way they think and act. you don't fit that. a lot of politicians to break from their views to move the

ball and get agreement. any. their toes. >> it is challenging, painful. it is not easy to try to return to a place of love and understanding. neil: judy love more, john baena or barack obama? >> humans. i love humans. i think so. that is the part that is, perhaps the most challenging. of very severe example. it is natural and perhaps even corrupt. they are not human. but perhaps it is even higher of us to say that they are. the depths of our own potential bad qu

so you see son, good manners are important. should i go through it again? yes. yes please. yes please. exactly. always say please, thank you, your welcome, excuse me, sit up straight, ld doors open for ladies, a door's locked knock first. don't burp, don't swear, don't stare, don't use bad language, n't talk with your mouth full, ep your elbows off the table- what table? and don't interrupt. cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze. on the bus, give your seat up to anyone who has trouble standing. bottom line, treat others the way you'd want to be treated. who has trouble got it?nding. got it! good talk. [announcer] most parenting is hard to do in just two minutes... but 2 minutes twice a day making sure they brush is easier

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neil: day calling it the $1 trillion timebomb. it is student at and a lot of kids are not able to pay it than the sign is how many are signing up for the federal loan forgiveness programs. some for hardship reasons and others not so much but that sign up surged 40% in the second half of 2013 that pays has not slowed down up 24% from march of this year to put into perspective

1.6 million kids have signed up representing more than 5.$3 billion worth of student debt. get the picture? >> why would you? it is three. it is like a free pizza at lunch but we keep giving out the many. the past to stop. it is hard but tuition will come down proportionately. neil: the more that you provide them more that the universities feel emboldened and they raise tuition. neil: to the nerdy accountant. >> my heart goes out to friends and acquaintances with tens of thousands of dollars it is a serious problem but loan forgiveness presents other issues model may is the cost to the taxpayers but discourages active far worse from paying back their loans.

agreement -- imagined i'd want to be in a hurry what tip i might qualify? you hate to find that out if you are debt free. neil: what happens we got into this with the mortgage miltown if you went to three months without a mortgage payment you qualified everybody said i will not pay for three months. what is to stop a kid from saying just in case i will sign up and am in no rush to pay back if there is a way out. >> there's not. it is the wrong incentives like giving the guy with the brain tumor and aspirin for the headache. health care. we did insurance reform we argue is paying. colleges are complicity with

the lenders as well that drives up the cost. they make a fortune to stick this debt on to the students it is of broken system not loan forgiveness. neil: what we are providing for the schools is the kids is another means. >> i think it will backfire by the time my little one is ready there is no incentive@ to go to college. shakespeare will die with and the only english major left on the planet. that that is when the university will say we need a reason to get them back and they don't have to pay tuition we can do that from home because otherwise they will not come. neil: reliving that

entitlement society but what happens is is the more you go through the government the a backstop to arrears' and college loans everybody gets their handout in the middle of the bailout it is of bad and dangerous trend a and a slippery slope but i cannot blame young people today are people in between from thinking why shall i take responsibility when the government will cover me and even the government does not ? >> we do have cultural problems that all ages across generations dealing with college dash. the number one thing to do do is college gross sell the thing they could do to help them is pay back the dead. neil: the other issue of personal responsibility

because the government is the backstop a and somebody has to pay for that. but will the conservative say you are heartless because you are not helping of college kids are not putting more money into infrastructure? tell me what you have done. so you are painted as the evil person. >> yes. so give them a subsidy a guest there is the tree somewhere in washington d.c. because they think it is free. it is not free the average american will pay $6,000 in taxes to cover obamacare in for some reason the signed contract does not mean anything in a more. that it was predatory lending deal with the lender

but because you did not think it through we will bail you out is not good for society. >> for sine it is the tenth party. neil: en. [laughter] you weigh in on this

neil: what is the deal with it meant you were urs getting upset when i read to the hate mail? >> they don't deserve any of your time and i want to punch their noses. cannot hit o'reilly he is not worth it. i think neal is one of the fairest commentators understand the negative comments to make you were not the only one. >> you won't get hate mail from the you are the best. why do people take on new?

make those politicians and your questions and. >> i enjoy your show it is with humor and informative. keep up the good work. i like neil and i trust him a lot when he is right he takes no prisoners but when i am wrong i do? >> i demanded fox business and have never sought to back. >> cannot get any better than that. did i write to them myself? >> you need a statue in times square you fearless leader. >> i am building get right now. >> better each day it ages. >> you interrupt guessed too often and a look better in a button down shirt. they have nothing to dokñ each other uc like you have

paid the agency. leave. >> you looks like dead keek. >> cindy you sound like of which is characterized sucking in the debt and not pushing get out. >> that's lovely. >> you rule. what is your record? the number of rowdies to have eaten in one sitting? >> as of now 1,113. >> country or rock music? >> rock. country brings me down. it is about losing a girl. >> i have been watching you for years how do you stay so cute in a deal of looking? >> i don't know. >> she was in shock you were in your 50s said that you for it in your early 40's. >> why did you say the early 30's? just go back a decade. >> what is up with that?

when they are not i don't. >> i don't mind this is there's something wrong with me? you can only you love one or the tether it has to me me. >> what planet are you living on? >> the one i am ready to kick you off. >> what is it like being so hot? >> fumbling. >> you and i share a glass of wine as they make dinner every day some days i'd drink your share also. you are the best. >> you are not the only one getting drunk during the show. [laughter] by the way for:00 p.m.? on my fox news show or this one because if you think you are watching fox business then you are drinking more but i appreciate that dead

drunk viewers are well, just enough actually they don't bother writing. so keep on the set . lou: good evening, everybody. breaking news tonight, president obama just moments ago signed the executive amnesty heard that he laid out last night. republicans had vowed to do everything in their power to stop him, but they overestimated that power. and they've left town now for the holidays. house speaker john boehner, however, before leaving blasted the president for acting on his own and repeated his threat that real bipartisan immigration reform is now dead in the incoming congress. >> with this action, the president has chosen to deliberately sabotage any chance of enacting bipartisan reforms that he claims to