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them. it doesn't have to be complicated. it doesn't have to be tragic. that's it for us tonight. stay tuned for cavuto. thank you for being with us. have a great weekend. good night from new york. neil: good evening. i'm neil cavuto. new york has a crisis on its hand this very night, folks. i'm not talking about the demonstration this week. still more to come. i'm talking about the mayor spurring them on. and to hear the head of the police union throwing cops under the bus. over the top and now out of control, to former police commissioner howard safer who has been following this closely. you know, howard, i'm watching this and following this. it's getting to be a trend and theme. are you worried? >> i am worried. i thought the mayor's comments were inappropriate. the mayor is supposed to bring the city together, not polarize. his comment about his son and his son's fear
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of the police was polarizing. i thought it was wrong. neil: to what end? now, i know -- you can be a leader, you can try to keep people calm. in so doing, when you throw a whole group of people under the bus, and that's how they felt, i've talked to regular cops, as well as the leaders, and they're all saying that. that's how they feel. what do you think of that? >> also, the mayor's comments are incorrect. the nypd is the most restrained police department in the country. officer involved shootings are down. it's just not true. this is not a police department out of control. this was a tragic incident that happened. it's unfortunate. grand jury looked very closely at it and decided that there was no criminality, the nypd will see whether or not the officer violated policy. the feds will look to see if there's a violation of civil rights. but this whole thing about having to be scared of police is
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absolutely the wrong message. neil: i wondered too, when someone says that in the position of authority, what about the president -- when he was talking about this is something in the making going back to slavery. you can stir the pot. >> you can. the problem is: if you're going to be involved with an officer in the nypd, it's the most diverse police department in the country. the probability they'll be arrested by someone of color. neil: commissioner this begs that issue. al sharpton is always there. he's always agitating. even new york's present police commissioner, very measured. cautious when discussing reverend al. listen to this. >> whether you liked him or not, and i think people have strong opinions one way or another. i don't think there's a middle ground actually. but the reality is that, he is probably one of the leading, if not the leading spokesmen for
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black issues in the country today. neil: if that wasn't a cautious guarded response i don't know what was. i cannot imagine a guy like bratton really believing that, that he's obviously a leader. he's -- he's -- he's in that community. but he's also a bomb thrower, yet bratton is in this position as he works with the mayor of not offending the mayor's friend and doing nothing to really, i think, state his real feelings on this. >> well, bill bratton is a great police commissioner. he works for a mayor that has given al sharpton legitimacy as well as the president. neil: why would they do that? if you know the guy is a quack, an agitator, if you know the guy doesn't look at the facts, doesn't even bother to question the whole hands up thing when they discovered it. all the black businesses
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in the whole ferguson case with michael brown discovered that he -- and they were there, said he never did raise his hands. so you build a protest on a lie. and he perpetrates the lie. why does anyone listen to him? >> i don't know. the only currency al sharpton has is disploight tragedexploiting tra. we had very little to do with al sharpton because we did not believe he was a legitimate voice for the hundreds of thousands of men and women in communities of color who really care about policing and really care about reducing crime. and the truth is 90 percent of the people who are victims of home sides are people of color. >> but now we have a situation where almost any prominent democrat
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lay a couch out to this guy. that's the way it goes. he'll exact revenge. i don't know what he'll do. always at the white house. always at city hall. pops up at these events. where's waldo. he's everywhere. >> that's why it's important that people like you and me tell the truth about al sharpton and tell the truth that he's not the real voice of the african-american or the latino community. neil: it is weird. and we've had reverends in that community who have said, wait a minute. he does not preach for all of us. it falls on deaf ears. we'll get that word out. thank you very, very much. all right to that point, forget the hands up. even if light of that federal grand jury report that shows that every single black witness said michael brown never had his hands up, the media won't let up. take a look at these headlines that trigger the very riots these publications supposedly
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don't want to see happen, including this doozy from slate. shoot first, when cop's first instinct is to use force, we shouldn't be surprised that people will die. and there are impressionable folks who buy that hook, line, and sinker. part of it is to see the whole thing. don't jump to conclusions. fox business all-stars. tracy byrnes. tracy, what do you think? tracy: we need to show respect to our police officers. they save lives. these one or two incidents that get confusing and blurred should not take away -- neil: it's widening to cleveland and detroit. when there are separate white incidents, of blacks attacking whites, that gets ignored. in all cases, all such attacks are just a fraction of the overall number. tracy: right of all of them. but i blame the
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politicians and al kind that get out there and just spew this crap that people listen to all the time because that's -- that is the problem here. we're listening to the wrong people. these police officers are doing what they're supposed to -- with all due respect to al sharpton, you take out a guy 6-3. you tell me what you'll do. neil: i could look at that case, maybe i'd feel sorry for the guy. if there's a case for an indictment, maybe that was the one. even allowing for all that. a grand jury had all the evidence beyond what i have beyond what any of us have. that's the conclusion. so you're free to protest. tracy: right. neil: when you start picking things up. getting violent, blocking stores and blocking whole high ways, to say nothing of what was going on in ferguson, then those rights have trampled on our rights. tracy: sure. and the media is not free to make up their own facts. they're perpetuating
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this narrative that police are villains. a police dies in the line of duty every 50 hours. eleven cops died in the month of november. every 58 hours. you never hear that. they're demonized. they're not portrayed as the vast majority. (?) >> i think the racial divide has never been so obvious under this mayor. we've been in this town for 20 years, it's worse than it's ever been. what mayor de blasio said, it's just worse. neil: hypocrisy of some of the public pointing fingers they police. this is what he had to say. >> you want to stand in front of a police department and want to put pine-sol spic-and-span over everything around them. but you're still living in filth and chaos and corruption. you're still living in
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foolishness that you don't want to change, but you want them on their p's and q's. enough. sit down. neil: he wasn't invited at that powwow at the white house. he wasn't invited on other networks. we invite ministers of all points of view. it's not right. >> what he's talking about is, of course, the problem of any capital investment in these inner cities which is a real serious problem. and african-americans killing each other. and that's the real sadness of the story. you're right. i mean, the fraction is so small of cops, you know, killing people. and this is an awful case. the eric garner case is awful. the guy in this story is a black african-american woman, the sergeant in charge of the five did not stop the choke hold. so it cannot be a racial story. that doesn't get reported. this black african-american woman was in charge of the
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five. he wasn't stealing cigarettes. he was selling cigarettes illegally. neil: we blow it way out of proportion. what happens, those in power who should be calming folks down -- >> they should be de-escalating and pointing to the facts. i didn't think the mayor's speech wasn't great. >> it was terrible. his daughter came out and said this is not about race. garner's daughter. she said it's not about race. >> who has presented one fact that any of these facts have been about race. neil: i've been out an african-american executive getting a cab. he had a devil of a time. i did not. so i don't discount that. where i draw the difference is, he didn't show his frustration by blocking subway entrances or going after cops or burning anything down. >> right. neil: so i don't deny that racism exists, but i don't agree with the mayor who says it's a
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centuries long problem and along the way we forget we have an african-american president. an african-american head. an attorney general. and on and on. >> the question is: the use of excessive force. why do they have to use deadly force? that's what the question should be. it shouldn't be a racial issue. the race hustlers doing that -- neil: race hustlers, very good. >> it has to stop. they themselves, set themselves up for lawsuits by the small businesses who have been torched to the ground by the riots. neil: where were those business guys at the powwow, including the minorities we had on this show. i'm telling you guys, that's why it's a big business story as much as it's a main american news story. black and white it's wrong. al sharpton, thin or fat, a fool. all right. well, forget paparazzi.
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neil: goodbye paparazzi. hello hackerazzi. following a sony hack attack, 47,000 celebrities and -- and sony employees know that feeling of being hacked and leaked. sylvester is a loan. get used to it. this is the beginning. what makes it a big deal for these guys. they don't think it happens to these guys. (?) >> exactly. as a celebrity, you sort
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of assume. nobody will access my information. everything about me that i think should remain private remains private. this is a wake-up call showing celebrities they're not safe. home addresses. passport numbers. you know, we're talking about very private information. neil: how do they have this stuff. why would stalone send this information. >> when you're a contractor for sony like these actors are, they have to provide all this information. they have it all on file. even little details. specifically seth rogen and james franco the interview that opens on christmas day. the salaries were revealed. we hear celebrities got paid millions of dollars for this. it goes down a little bit. you hear that both actors were actually paid to drive themselves to work. rogan got $10,000 to drive himself to work.
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neil: you like getting that type of information as a journalist, or do you say, all right, i don't like the methods, now, i'll run with it. >> any time you can get information that nobody has before, you get a little excited about it. of course, the means that the information was procured is, you know, completely unacceptable. neil: they had the same thing in congress too, for a year they were eavesdropping and getting information on citizens, when all of a sudden they were doing it with their staff. whoa. whoa. but no one is immune from this. right? >> you can bet all the big movie companies are hustling to beef up their security. thinking, oh, my gosh, what if clooney's information gets out. neil: i was amazed stalone gets so much money still. he had some great hits. the spendables. maybe they like it. helps them out.
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>> it races the point. all this buzz about the film "the interview." it happens to be premiering on christmas day. i bet people who wouldn't think about seeing it will run to see these actors, james franco and seth rogen in these film. rogue ingot 8.5 million. 70,000 paid for tigers. kevin federline 5k for a cameo. neil: are you kidding me? >> if you wondered where k fed went, now you know. neil: wait a minute the other anchors are paid. i was wondering. katrina, thank you very much. (?) i appreciate it. in the meantime, let me put it this way, there is no class in the cloud. to her point, no matter who you think you are, when it comes to this stuff, you just ain't. robert who says that is
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because no one is safe. anything you put up in the cloud is up for grabs. you know, robert, here's the thing about our modern society, it's just easier to put it up there. it's easier if you travel around a lot. i travel a good deal. that i don't have to cart a bunch of computers or something with me. no matter what i log on to, i can download that information. what do i do? >> yeah, all my data is in the cloud. and the cloud is, you, you know -- yahoo and g mail. neil: i would love to get into your cloud. but go ahead. >> so most people's data is in the cloud. your bank is in the cloud, so to speak. your email is the cloud. (?) all of our data in one way, shape, or form is in the cloud. neil: what do you do? >> you don't have control when it leaves your device. as long as the device is connected to the internet. the device and all the data on it is -- all the
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basics. anti-phishing. firual. vpn. encryption is a huge thing. any file you store on the cloud, if you can encrypt that file -- neil: what does that mean? what the hell you talking about? >> basically, the files you have themselves are password protected. let's say the email provider is breached, the files you might have on there actually require a password to get to them. as long as you're doing all that -- neil: how long do you change those passwords. here at fox they're telling us, every other week, change your password. god bless them. if you can crack this network, you hit a home run. it better not resemble anything you did in 1988. what did you do? [laughter] every three months is good. every six months is
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fine. every year, at a minimum you have to do that. and any cloud service that you upload your data to. multi factor authentication. user name and password. a text message as an extra 1-time password. these extra layers of password protection generally will keep the bad guys out. generally. neil: bad guys, at your point are getting so smart. robert, thank you so much. this just in, the cyber threat is huge. not a fox alert to you. but apparently it is to eric holder, who years years after so many have been hacked has finally decided, this stuff has to be big. he's on it.
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neil: now, they're really animating it out. we call it neil's spiel. and we were talking about a lot of names for this one. neil's rant. it has to rhyme. we went back to spiel. someone said neil's heel. i didn't like that one. but neil's spiel it is.
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this is a spiel on something real. the justice department only now announcing, you know, we think it's time we form a cyber security unit. way to go. right now. just now. guys, what took you so long? too busy budding in on new york city and ferguson promising to reverse grand jury decisions you don't like. too knee-deep on spying on reporters that you couldn't find time to go after the guys, oh, i don't know spying on us. too wrapped up finding big bangs that you couldn't get around to countries like china hacking those banks. better late than never they say. me thinks you have twisted priorities when it comes to justice. gung-ho when it serves your politics. now, that is just us. the rest of america wondering where we are on your to-do list.
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like i said, maybe it's better late than never. as far as i can tell, the bad guys have a lot of our stuff. you're already very, very late. if you wouldn't mind maybe just turn out the lights and close the door on the barn. because as far as i can tell, all the animals are out. all our secrets are out too. nice going on these federal probes in the meantime. may i suggest a federal probe of your own into what constituents think of how you spend your term. in the spirit of this new policy, i'll look into this diet thing. [laughter] apparently, you can do something if you're overweight. ashley, what took so long? >> i honestly don't know here. i'm wondering if eric holder, al sharpton, or the president got hacked and that's why they all of a sudden they care. it seems they could care less when everyone else gets hacked or our country gets hacked
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because our cyber securities are down. they don't seem to care. kudos to them for caring. you can now pay on your iphone. how long have cell phones been out? neil: here's what i would have done. this is just a hypothetical example. i wouldn't have let on that i don't have a hacking thing. cavuto, what's going on with that hacking thing? well, we're looking at it. to put a press release, we have a hacking cyber security unit. i'm thinking, what? you haven't had it for all these years. >> i know. and i think that's the saddest part about this. hey, we didn't have anything to begin with. neil: move fast. they're setting up their unit now. >> why don't you hack into our phones and the white house if you want to at this point. they move slow.
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look how well healthcare.gov went. do they have a website where you can check to see who is being hacked daily. what will they he do? neil: they don't have that program out yet. give them time. i'm spieling on about it that to say -- if you can make it a verb -- you know, this hacking thing, something is going on. something's going on. >> i know you've talked about it on the show before. we've talked about the real threat this poses. when bad guys get our information -- neil: too late they have it. they've gone into our banks. they're steps away from emptying accounts. now, the crack staff at the justice department. don't worry. we have you covering. ashley wouldn't do this. she's too honest. don't even admit it. you're far past -- just say, oh, yeah. we're on it.
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ashley, thank you my friend. always good to see you. >> you too. neil: another month of job gains. president obama saying the economy is making real progress. but what he's about to do might just wipe out all of that progress. i mean, all of it.
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neil: all right. message to president obama, i mean, with all respect, sir, please don't spiel spoi spoil a good thing. please don't f it up. don't take the latest information on jobs and do something stupid to kill those jobs. those glorious 21,000 additional ones we had in the economy last month, from the folks who hired them, all your new regulations you've been cooking occupy overtime pay and who qualifies as a full-time worker, you're killing the goose and the golden egg. jersey mayor, steve,
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says you'll be leaving the rest of us with the mess. mayor, good to see you. that's your fear. right? that he could trash a good thing right out the gate. >> absolutely, neil. there was an election a month ago. of course, republicans took the house. neil: i heard about that. that was a big deal. >> at the core, that was the economy. people are tired of the wage stagnation, the weak job growth. 5.6 unemployment. we accept that as the new norm. he's putting more of a squeeze on job producers. these regulations on overtime will do more to destroy jobs. we can't regulate ourselves out of poverty. combined with the fact we're seeing more and more regulation. america dropped out of the heritage foundation freedom index -- the index of the world's most economically free nations out of the top ten for the first time this year. we're number 12. hong kong is number one. what does that tell you? and they'll say it's because of the
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regulations. neil: that's it. game over. >> a former soviet block nation. neil: you're exactly right. let me ask you this, and this is what concerns me: the president has said -- he told his executives before the release of this jobs report, look, you guys it's been good. you guys had a good run. more or less taking a bow for it. and i would assume looking at their performance now and how the stock market has been doing that they can afford to do more. they can afford to lift their minimum wage. they can afford to change their overtime policy. they can afford to cough up more. >> that's not the case. the vast majority of the recovery is benefiting the wealthy and the rich. the middle class is stuck in wage stagnation and rising cost of living. one of the things causing this is the federal reserve bank. wall street hit its all-time record in borrowing. interest rates are incredibly low. all that money is going to mergers and
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acquisitions. it's not going to creating jobs. so you have the regulatory environment harming reducers. you have low capital intrusion into monetary policy that's mutating the marketplace. 5.6 percent as if that's a good unemployment rate. it's not. we can do better. the worst thing, what it does to the young people going into the work force. if you want to work hard and show your boss what you're made of, what they're saying is you can't do it. neil: the 5.8 percent is a mess. steve, always a pleasure. thank you. well-put. here's how it's getting. we stopped procreating. this is true. the us birthrate just hit an all-time low, and i suspect, i'm just suspecting. it's not because we ain't in the mood. we ain't got the money. honey, not tonight, i'm feeling i don't know cheap. what? [laughter]
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>> i find it disheartening because the world knows i love babies and i think everyone should have multiple. that being said, we're not making enough money. hourly wages barely bumped. young people, millennials, and she'll speak to that -- neil: well, she hates kids. >> not yet. they're not getting jobs, making a lot of money. they're nervous. all they're seeing is dollar signs. >> 100 percent. i think there's two reasons president first is millennials, that's exactly it. we have the highest sustained youth unemployment since world war ii. the longest since leading from the submortgage crisis. neil: it's not that you don't like kids. >> it's the cultural shift millennials are having kids later in life. neil: just the emails i get, quite a few volunteers, but would you hold off on babies because economically -- >> yes. 100 percent. until it's physically fiscally o
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have a child. yes. neil: think of our parents. >> did you say the stench since world war ii. >> yes. stench. neil: our parents, the depression. >> i'm from a family of eight. my aunt had ten kids. yes, we had a lot of -- nothing to do on friday night back then. neil: oh, that's just lovely. >> thank you for that. >> there is a cultural shift. neil: no. you're more selfish is. your my daughter's generation. love her. >> we're waiting. take our time. >> they're thinking too much. analyzing too much. you don't need a flowchart and budget to have a baby. >> weirdly the cbo, they're saying that the birthrate has been -- no, no. i'm sorry. they're saying --
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neil: cue the barry white record. she's talking the cbo. >> it will affect the us economic growth. neil: thank you very, very much. >> should be more love in the world, neil. neil: barry white. dim the lights. the president said he's canceling millions of deportations because congress won't get off its butt. i want you to meet the guy urging republicans not to hurry and get off their butts and do the wrong thing on immigration
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neil: well, order smorder. the president said he's happy. happy to rip up his executive order if congress will give him a new order. bush economic advisor said he's got a better idea. what would that be, ed? >> well, i think there are three things that
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need to be done. first, we need to move towards a skills based system of handing out green cards. second, we need to figure out a way to regular lieize the people here illegally. i propose a v visa. then we have to find a better way to enforce border control. i suggest we do that through employer enforcement, primarily by punishing people who hire illegals, but allowing them to have safe harbor if they do appropriate checks with the government. neil: don't we already that have, if a that if you think of hiring an illegal -- >> we do. it's the e-very fewverify. unfortunately, it's not particularly effective, but it's the right way to go. the reason, again, we're sort of jumping ahead. the reason it's important to do that, remember, not all the people coming into the united states are coming
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across the border. a large proportion of the people who are here as undocumented immigrants came initially, legally by having visas and simply overstayed their visas. neil: that's exactly right. you mentioned enforcement of the border. the president -- the plan that the senate had passed, the democratic senate, did have pro visions for border enforcement. republicans said it's enough. what are we talking about? thousands of troops? what do they want to do? (?) >> look, border enforcement is not controversial. i think everybody believes we have to keep criminals out. we want to keep terrorists out. so that's not an issue. i don't think that's where the argument lies. the most important issue for us is, how do we get people currently here illegally into the system. what a z visa, it would allow those people,
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certain individuals in that group to stay, and they would have to pay a fee for being here. so the idea is basically, look, these guys have committed a crime. there's no doubt they have committed a crime by coming here illegally. the question, what is the appropriate punishment? deportation is one punishment. you could have a fine. what you would do, you would allow these people to stay. at that time they would be waiting for their green cards. go to the end of the queue because they've come here illegally. end of the queue for the green card. they could work. regularize their lives. they can invest in bettering themselves. help their children and the community. that would be an appropriate comprise. it's the way the republicans should be going. and it would not only help them politically, but it would help the country. neil: we shall see. ed. in the meantime, do you think this speech was good? >> ask not what your
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country can do for you. ask what you can do for your country. [applauding] neil: i think this guy at target just beat that one. >> people of target, brothers, sisters, hear me now.
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neil: you know, in tonight's biz blitz, i say we need more guys like this. >> we will show them that we're not just the best store in this neighborhood, but the best store anywhere because we're more than just a store. this is a team. this is a family. this is target. [applauding] [laughter] neil: that target guy pulling a page out of 300, pumping up
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workers on black friday. who would want to work for that guy? he's passionate. engaged. great sense of humor. everyone clearly loves him. i think this guy is a true leader. he's excited about the job. jazzes people about the job. kaley, i say send him to washington. >> i say so too. in an era of handouts, you see one guy proud of his job. this is the braveheart of black friday speeches. i love it. neil: couldn't you work with the 300 thing? >> we need football coaches. these men -- newt rocky, those old famous speeches. they get these guys to go out there and smash heads with people. they get them that excited to go kill each other. neil: can we get them passionate about adult stuff in the bureau of labor statistics comes to mind. guys, we can get these
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crd figures out there today. and they will be the best figures we've ever had. and everyone is saying, okay. >> i think you could put a spring in your step when you're presenting those too. neil: you need to work your personality up a bit. >> i love you're getting excited about bls figures. i'm so driven right now and invigorated about what you said, mr. president. the other hero in this story, who i love, i love this guy. his wife who had to listen to this speech for weeks while they practiced at home. neil: i was wondering if he was winging it. >> i don't know. is this braveheart. sparta. it's inspiring. do we want someone to say in congress, we work for the taxpayer. we'll work for them now. neil: i'd say people wouldn't mind. >> no way. neil: he'll be there with them. he's there with them. >> absolutely. he just needs the long when i go.
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whig. the long wallace whig. one of my professors say, good enough for government work. that attitude we see all the time good enough for government. i want this guy. neil: he's bouncing around on the stage. i love that. we need more off that. we don't see enough of it. >> we don't see enough of it. i want you to give an invigorating speech to the business panel after the commercial break. >> you need term limits. then you'll have cheerleaders out there. neil: thank you, debbie downer. listen to this in the theme. just because doctors can look up your ass, doesn't mean politicians should be blowing smoke up your ass. neil: sorry. not apologizing for that. vision changes or eye pain,
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>> "what's the deal, neil?" neil: what was the deal with me yesterday? a lot of you want to know why i was to work out and even
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agitated. maybe this is what got me started. i was talking to a liberal supporting the famous hands up gesture that we have been seeing in these demonstrations. it never happened. it's based on a lie. the grand jury evidence where all of the african-american witnesses say it didn't happen. but it never happened and that he was not shot from behind the matches because you put your hands up and you have solid barely understand -- solidarity. neil: quit saying that. you don't have solidarity with the is something that happened. >> there's no doubt that there are protesters saying that. neil: it never happened, michael brown never had his hands up. he was never shot from behind. game over.
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well, that was it. one individual says when you get upset, i take notice because of you are almost always calm. but this time you had reason to break form. and another says and they take strong drugs, but would you mind sharing? all my gosh, that was great. and may i commend you for stating the obvious, it was a show perpetrated by a lie. and i had nothing to do with the prior lie. and you just pounded it better than that and then there is kevin in houston who says everyone says that bill o'reilly is the fox star, but you are shorter and fatter but so much better. totino the camera adds 50 or 70 pounds? and the lena says you should put
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out a handbook, you're just what your own doctor ordered. and well, my own doctor does check my own blood pressure comes time to time. and things got more heated when i respond to secretary kathleen sebelius, having the nerve to call into question my intelligence because we are questioning a health care law and not appreciating the wonder and beauty of the health care. we have all developed rules for those that champion big government causes in here were some of them. rule number four is health care is about covering you, not leaving you with a bill that is going to sicken you. rule number five is if you have to lie to sell what you're selling is a lie. and okay, this one, cover your ears just because doctors can
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look up your but doesn't mean politicians should blow smoke up your butt. that doesn't cut it for a lot of you. and what can i say? there is a another e-mail that says you start with this. and then there is another who says, watched the show last night and you are fired up and what has gotten into you and nothing gets me more fired up than one they lie to us. and barbara is a rockstar, a silver tongued rockstar. and then there is sandy because i love your passion, you should
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run for congress because we need your truth and common sense. i will do what i can for america, but there's only one of me and another says i think i love you, don't, has been. but anyway, why won't you all for the "tonight show" host rather than jimmy fallon? probably because of the but common. i don't know. and i like the show, but i think he is a rino. and i think that you are an apps. and finally, thank you for the tweaks.. and so my italian husband wants to know what you give your chiln for christmas. well, i give the standard will. that's just me. go to facebook.comand let me know what you think. a lot of you have responded and
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sent me a friend request, which i understand is a big deal. unfortunately, a lot of you have unfriended me as well. >> the supreme court is the highest law in the land. the ultimate say on issues a lot i can do much more than his lip hairs. they affect how the country is run and how the law is upheld and who becomes president. there are many different ways to skin justice. and then we respect those who respect the constitution to rest the trouble heads. we will decide who's the libertarian justice of the mall and how important is the 14th amendment to the highest court. welcome to the supreme c

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