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the medical marijuana program but the voters wanted it and not getting it and that is an injustice. "stossel" tomorrow night. friday, all new show, for matt welch and the vacationing kmele foster, i'm kennedy. good night. he's the real deal. he's next. lou: good evening, everybody. president obama is getting what he asked for, more demonstrations, protesting the grand jury decisions to decline indictment of white police officers involved in the deaths of michael brown and eric garner. those demonstrations, however, are increasingly turning violent as the white house along with democratic big city mayors escalate their assault on police departments and our law enforcement officers. and tonight, an actual physical assault on police caught on camera, and yes, it was carried out by one of the so-called peaceful protesters who president obama claims is essential to, quote, trigger
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the nation's conscience. as you can see on your screen a new york city police officer is sucker punched by a man protesting the eric garner grand jury decision. here now, president obama on black entertainment television earlier this week, calling for more demonstrations. >> a country's conscience sometimes has to be triggered by some inconvenience, because i think a lot of people who saw the eric garner video are troubled. even if they haven't had that same experience themselves. the value of peaceful protests, activism, organizing, is it reminds the society this is not yet done. lou: president obama, however, offering a much different view when addressing the largely latino univision audience last night. >> i think the criminal justice system is improved. i think that if you talk to
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younger people, your daughter, my daughters, their attitudes absolutely are better when it comes to race. you know, the folks who say there's not a lot of improvement, i don't think we're living in the 50s. lou: the american public disagrees with the president just one in five americans see race relation improving under this president according to the latest cbs poll. turning to berkeley, california where hundreds have already been arrested for looting, violence, destruction of property. another chilling video has surfaced, a white man protesting alleged police brutality steps into try to stop a group of black men from looting a local radioshack store. then he is beaten unconscious by a man wielding a hammer. the latest incident in a series of violent demonstrations in berkeley. fox news correspondent will carr has the report.
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>> reporter: for the fourth night in a row, hundreds of demonstrators taking to the streets in berkeley, california, protesting against grand jury decisions in the eric garner and michael brown cases. demonstrations across the country have been mostly peaceful, but in berkeley, protesters have caused property damage, scuffled with the police and blocked trains and highways. >> it's a way to be heard, i guess it's surprised me. >> reporter: police responded with tear gas and bean ban guns, trying to keep injuries to a minimum. protesters say the respond is too heavy handed. >> i was very surprised and concerned about what i think was excessive force by the police. >> reporter: police say they were responding to a dangerous situation, doing what they had to do to protect the public and themselves. >> a credible threat is indicated by 20 officers injured by ice picks thrown at them. >> reporter: community leaders say enough is enough, to work with them to bring about change without violence or unrest.
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>> we wanted to win our brothers and sisters over. >> reporter: meanwhile, the demonstrations continue across the country. protests held in phoenix and milwaukee and in boulder, colorado. one father gives the student to teach his kids about free speech and police protection. >> i wanted them to see the first amendment right of ours. >> reporter: berkeley high school students walked out of class in protest looking to tonight, berkeley police will be back out in force. so far they've arrested more than 200 people over the past four days, lou? back to you. lou: will carr, thanks. much more on the demonstrations and the attacks on local law enforcement. we'll be talking with milwaukee county sheriff david clark. turning to capitol hill, congressional leaders unveil more than one trillion dollar spending bill to keep the federal government running. the 1600-page document does absolutely nothing to stop the president's executive action on amnesty other than put a shorter time frame on funding
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for the homeland security department. it would run out next february instead of next september. house speaker boehner tried to frame that as a positive but conservatives aren't buying it. >> tomorrow, will pass a responsible bill that keeps the government running. without the threat of a government shutdown, this sets up a direct challenge to the president's unilateral actions on immigration when we have new majorities in both chambers of congress. >> i feel they are asking us to punt on first down without any effort to get a first down or score a touchdown. by that, i mean there is no sincere effort to defund the president's unlawful, illegal amnesty. lou: for their part, democrats are mainly complaining about two provisions in the measure, one that eases regulations imposed on big banks and another that increases campaign contribution limits to political parties. we assume the two parties
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reached a deal at least on that part of the document. seven more states joining the lawsuit against president obama over his amnesty executive order, bringing the total number to 24. that development comes as a new fox news poll shows a majority of 60% of voters now disapprove of the president choosing to bypass congress to change how the government deals with illegal immigration. federal immigration officials, however, carrying the president's water with a director of citizenship and immigration services going as far as to dare, to dare the next president. to reverse obama's actions. cis director leon rodriguez said, quote --
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and the president himself taking criticism from univision anchor jorge ramos, blasting the administration for not blasting the executive fiat sooner. >> deporter in chief. >> you called me deporter in chief. but let me say this. >> you cannot stop deportation. >> that is not true. those like you sometime, jorge who suggest there are simple, quick answers to the problems. >> i never said that. >> yes, you do, that's how you present it. >> when you present it in that way, it does a disservice because it makes the assumption that the political process is one that can easily be moved around depending on the will of one person, that's not how things work. lou: obviously, the two men having some trouble communicating. shortly after their exchange,
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president obama called on ramos to do, quote, a good job making sure people take advantage of his amnesty program. the benghazi select committee held second hearing focusing on a new state department inspector general report that says diplomatic facilities overseas like benghazi were suffering from dramatic security flaws and lapses at the time of the terrorist attack. bound to bring former secretary of state hillary clinton to the hill to testify. fox news chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge with our report. >> the department is at increased risk because it lacks sufficient processes and planning. >> reporter: the state department watchdog found standard security at benghazi consulate was not the exception but part of a broader pattern. during the second public hearing, witnesses testified the u.s. personnel are
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operating out of warehouses with inadequate security, embedding local guard forces is a problem. >> did any of them allow guards to work before being fully veted? >> yes, a number allowed them to work without vetting. >> mr. chairman, i do not understand how this can be two years after four americans were killed in benghazi. >> reporter: and no witness could explain why state department personnel were in eastern libya and whose policy made it okay to bypass physical security standards. >> when you deviate from the standards there's a waiver process you adhere to. whether the waiver process followed? >> i do not believe so, no. >> reporter: a federal lawsuit amplified the point. the benghazi guard force was in such disarray, the security status was described as an emergency. >> the situation in terms of security was toxic on september 11th, 2012. the blue mountain group had no license to operate in libya.
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>> reporter: the republican committee chairman wants to hear from key players in the talking points fiasco including then-u.n. ambassador susan rice who blamed the anti-muslim video on national television. former acing director of the chretien mike morel who heavily edated talking points. >> you cannot watch the surveillance video from that night in benghazi and have the word spontaneity come anywhere near entering your mind. yes, it was politics. >> reporter: rice and rose would appear voluntarily. the white house spokesman said he would question the motivation of republicans adding that the administration would continue to cooperate but only with what he described as legitimate oversight. lou? lou: there's also the question who of decides what is legitimate in washington, d.c. >> reporter: exactly, that's the wiggle room word for sure. lou: catherine, thanks so much. we'll have much more on the
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benghazi select committee hearing. talking with congressman lynn westmoreland. we're coming right back. stay with us. whose side is this president and the democratic party really on? our military around the world is on high alert because of the feinstein cia report. we'll be joined next by former u.s. ambassador to the united
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. lou: lawmakers voicing deep skepticism about the lackluster white house response to the islamic state. brett mcguirk, a deputy special envoy testified before the house foreign affairs committee saying progress with the campaign is likely to be uneven. >> we have indeed begun to make progress against isil. this will be a long-term, multiyear campaign, we are now in the earliest phases of phase one. and as we move into a new phase, that require a global effort in addition to ongoing support from this congress. lou: congressman ed royce, however, the foreign affairs committee chairman said the white house is dithering. joining us former u.s. ambassador to the united
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nations, fox news contributor ambassador john bolton. good to have you here. >> good to be here. lou: when i hear about an official talk about a long war, a multiple-year war, it's enough to make one physically ill to hear that kind of superior view emanating from one who frankly has not demonstrated any capacity to win a war anywhere at any time. >> this is a prescription for failure. look, isis blasted out of syria into iraq four or five months ago. they routed the iraqi military, that we trained and armed and had so much faith in. what we've done since then is basically watch isis consolidate its control over territory. when the only sensible response would have been to strike back very quickly. because otherwise, this force creating a new country in the middle east that will be a
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magnet for international terrorism. >> the islamic state, we learned today, speaking of multiple year efforts. i love that expression that a program to train and equip some 5,000 syrian rebels, moderates, will only take a year. have our leaders taken leave of their senses? is the islamic state supposed to wait around for their very carefully planned and prolonged approach to military strategy? >> this is a prescription for failure. we might as well stop right now and tell isis, you create the a new state, let's talk about diplomatic recognition. the answer was to think like churchill did in the time of the russian revolution when we should have straddled bolshevism in the cradle. if we try to take the iraqi
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army, isis will take control of the territory, expand it. it will be a new state, new threat to arab friends in the region, israel, and threat to united states and western europe. how can we be so laid back about it? it defies logic. lou: laid-back, entitled, impervious to any suggestion of reality, and it's just abysmal, the entire, the entire administration is abysmal in foreign policy, military strategy, and its comprehension of the nation's interest in the global, in the global challenges weis. >> absolutely. look, if you wanted to craft a strategy that would guaranty isis getting on its feet and steak control, you're seeing it from the obama administration. and if you were perverse, you'd say maybe they want istoys win. i don't believe that. but i do believe that what
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they're doing guaranteed that outcome. lou: ambassador john bolton, always good to have you with us, thank you. >> thank you, lou. lou: a little-known fact about the trillion dollar spending bill that funds the federal government through september of next year includes 19 million dollars to protect rhinos and other endangered species, we put up the pictures you knew we were talking about the exotic animals, not the republicans in name only beings who do and have at capitol hill. if you have $2 million lying around would and like to impress a certain lady, you can buy her a victoria's secret fantasy bra. 18-karat-gold. 16 thousand j.e.m.s worn by two brazilian supermologists in the annual victoria secret's fashion show, and we are g
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. lou: up and tonight, protesters more violent as president obama calls for more protests. a few comments now on a president who has regressed, it seems to me.
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regressed and whose demeanor and rhetoric for all the world appear to be that of a common community organizer and one who has lost his sense of community. in a television interview last night with univision's jorge ramos. ramos asked mr. obama what he's done for race relations and what he's done about what ramos called white privilege. >> i think that if you talk to younger people, your daughter, my daughters, their attitudes absolutely are better when it comes to race. >> and eric garner, there is really not a lot of improvement. >> the folks who say aren't a lot of improvement weren't living in the 50s and remember what it's like to be black or hispanic and interacting with the police then. lou: isn't it compelling to hear the nation's first african-american president holding forth with jorge ramos
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a mexican national working in the united states, not his country of origin, talk about our racial problems in this country. compelling irony. only the day before in an interview with b.e.t. that the president seeking the audience's affirmation sounded like we were back in the 1950s. >> i want my grandsons to be treated like anybody else's grandsons. i don't want them to be subjected to the kind of constant bias that makes them feel as if this is not their home. lou: constant bias, mr. president? americans have become accustomed to the president's capacity for contradiction and preference for the dower and negative hyper bowly. his disregard and lowly vision of our country that has given
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him just about everything is deeply offense testify me. it is one thing to make it clear to find america exceptional. it is one thing to intimate america is racist as he has done for two straight days. it is one thing to expect much of others and settle for so little of one's self. ours is one of the most tolerant nations in the world, i would argue the most tolerant. the daily collar reported on world value survey who asked folks all over who they wouldn't want as neighbors. 15% of germans, 22% of japanese all said they wouldn't want to live next to people of a different race. by comparison, only 5% of americans said people of a different race. that's rather impressive for a nation held in such low regard by its leader. perhaps the president should look to himself and examine why only 9% of those surveyed in a
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recent poll believe he has improved racial relations since taking office almost six years ago. 9%. and yet, mr. obama persists in his disheartening, deadening images and demeanor. when a president made of greater stuff would be seeking to elevate notenervate american people. seeking us to encourage those of us who make up this exceptional nation deserving of exceptional leaders. help us out here, mr. president, would you? now the quotation of the evening from the bishop theologian wescott --
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we're coming right back. the obama and domestic doctrine calling for demonstrations in the streets of america, and continuing his assault on our law enforcement agencies.
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enforcement officers. >> what's also true is that there are still instances in which a young black boy or brown boy is not being evaluated in terms of risk, precisely in the same way as a white young person might be by the police. now that can be solved through better training, better accountability, better transparency. lou: my next guest says law enforcement is thrown under the bus by this president. joining us milwaukee county sheriff david clark, thanks for being with us. it seems that there is literally a war being waged on law enforcement officers and agencies in this country. how does it feel? >> feels horrible, i'm here to defend the honor and integrity and the character of law enforcement officers all across this country and do it with the
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ferociousness of a junkyard dog. look, irreparable damage is caused to this profession by powerful and important people, people like the president of the united states, the attorney general, the mayor of new york. law enforcement officers, 99.9% of them go out every day to serve their communities with honor and distinction. are we perfect? far from it. but mayor de blasio should have to experience one day what new york city would be like without the nypd. that city would collapse into utter chaos. these people are out here cop bashing, trying to score cheap political points at the expense of our law enforcement officers. lou: as the administration has tried, obviously tried to exploit politically, tragedy whether it be the shooting death of michael brown, or the chokehold death or alleged chokehold death of eric garner.
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these are two incidents, and in no way am i minimizing them, but two incidents and this president projects that into a national, national crisis, a national problem, and calls for the retraining of 35,000 police officers that will be about 25,000 of those 35,000 who are street cops who will have to go through training. yet, the president calls for no response from the community of new york, the ferguson, missouri, the attorney general, basically denigrates all of law enforcement, and the president, the president is denigrating american society is racist. how do we get beyond this? >> better and more effective leadership than we're getting right now out of anybody in washington, d.c. look, it's pretty obvious that
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ferguson, missouri, what happened in new york, as you indicated, tragic situations. these are not a microcosm of anything. those are local stories. local communities to deal with. it's getting tiring for me and many officer who put the uniform on to be used as a battering ram, full, and try to use us to describe what's wrong with america. the police are not the problem in america, lou. the police are one of the few things left that's right with america. and we ought to begin extolling the honor, the courage, the integrity like we do during law enforcement week. president obama and eric holder go down to the law enforcement memorial wall with the names of over 20,000 law enforcement officers who are sacrificing their lives and service to community. they ought to stand in front of the wall and stare at it for a couple minutes and maybe come to the realization how wrong they are. let me say this about society.
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white society has to be tired of getting their nose rubbed into the ugly path that slavery did to this country. they're being made to commit sins -- pay for sins that they did not commit. i'm here to extol on white society the great strides that they've made in righting those past wrongs. i am living proof for people of all colors, all races, genders, so on and so forth. and when we start to acknowledge the strides that we've made. we'll see how far we've come and can build off of that. right now, this nation is coming apart, and instead of seeing president obama's potential gettysburg address, he's simply being present. lou: you know, i appreciate that, sheriff, and i want to put into context a couple of things, and that is that one, this president knows the reality, and that's really the shame of it.
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he knows the truth. this is a president seeking political advantage. it's a strategy, and he doesn't care, as you put it, how many people he throws under the bus in law enforcement. he doesn't care about the truth, and it's clear, because he's too intelligent a man not to. this is a political strategy. it is, i'm not going to report the numbers of people who have committed murders. they're overwhelming, we know the statistics. all i'm going to say is that if there's a race problem in this country, it isn't a problem for most americans and you and i and everyone watching this broadcast knows it, americans are good people, they need to have that stated by their president. he's a president who should be, as i said earlier, elevating us, not denigrating us. sheriff david clark, thank you so much for being here and all you do for your community and by extension, our whole
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country. thanks so much. >> lou, it's a pleasure to serve. lou: thank you, sheriff. up next, speaker boehner strikes what conservatives are calling a bad deal because there are few conservative issues in his government funding bill that they don't like so much. we'll take that up and much more, including what's right with it. stay with us. here's a question for you: when electricity is generated with natural gas instead of today's most used source, how much are co2 emissions reduced? up to 30%? 45%? 60%? the answer is... up to 60% less. and that's a big reason why the u.s. is a world leader in reducing co2 emissions. take the energy quiz -- round 2. energy lives here. iit's a lot of haggling and itan stakes so long.ship.
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. lou: a huge sell-off today on wall street. stocks closing sharply lower. the dow plummeted 268 points, the nasdaq fell 82 point. volume on the big board, 4 billion shares, and a reminder to listen to my financial reports three times a day on the salem radio network. turning to politics, senate conservatives largely silent after the release of that more than one trillion dollar spending bill from house republicans. joining us the a-team columnist for the hill a.b. stoddard and lisa boothe, senior director for the black rock group, a private consulting firm. the conservatives fairly quiet, is this a done deal or is there
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going to be a conservative backlash and perhaps obstacle to get things done? >> well, this is not a done deal until it's done, you know how interesting things get at final hours before people are rushing off for the holidays. right now, there is some brewing rebellion on the democratic side, i don't know if they're going to get enough democratic votes to offset the loss of dozens of house conservatives on the house side. senate conservatives remain quiet as of this hour week don't know what they're going to say tomorrow or the next day. you know they're unhappy. some of them have been quoted like senator cruz and others saying this is really not the time to relent, that if you agree to fund the government and to basically, in essence, fund, allow presidents executive order on immigration to stand, and you don't fight it now. that they'll only lose leverage
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between now and when new congress is sworn in january when the new leadership is arguing to them, they'll have more republicans and bigger sway against the president. so there is, you know, a significant upset, i don't know if it's going to stop the bill. there's problems on both sides of the aisle right now. lou: let me interject and tell our viewers, live pictures of the rules committee chaired by congressman pete sessions as they're moving forward with at least the procedure on the legislation. lisa, are the conservatives caught here in a dilemma? and that is, they know what the impact will be and how unfavorably the american public will respond to republicans who are perceived to be shutting down the federal government. >> see, i don't think they are. i think this bill is going to move forward. and i do agree with
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conservatives having concern and there being, and americans having concerns quite frankly. look, the members of congress are going to have a day to review a 1600 page bill that is over $1 trillion. this isn't the exact reason why americans hate congress. i think we have to look at why we're here at this moment. and the reason being is because democrats fail to pass appropriations bills. if you look at republicans, republicans passed numerous appropriations bills, debated the bills for almost 90 hours and consider 112 amendments. >> lisa, can you visualize the eyes glazing over in our audience as you talk about appropriations of the process, but it's an unwinnable debate. americans and i think rightfully, don't want to know all of the nasty details of appropriation and budgeting. >> here -- sorry. >> go ahead. >> this is what republicans should care about. republicans will have more
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leverage next congress, the cromnibus, we're moving the dhs funding until february when we have a republican majority, when we have more power. we'll have 54 more republicans in the senate and the largest house majority since the truman administration to be able to have leverage and fight obama on this thing. additionally, it's going to be a lot harder for president obama to make the argument against this when the majority of the federal government is funded through september. lou: let's turn to the issue at hand here, that is immigration, the fiat in what the republicans, how they're responding here. americans are absolutely appalled at the handling of the issue of illegal immigration and opposed to the use of fiat by this president. the number is just about 60% disapprove. a.b., what happens here? >> well, that's why republicans are under pressure to do
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something now, and lisa is right, the department of homeland security, which is -- oversees immigration and customs enforcement is only funded until february 27th. at that point there will be a huge debate where there are more republican votes in the house and the senate, over whether or not to fund it going forward after that date. and what implications are for the president's new executive order. but there's a lot of disagreement over this because the choice to republicans right now is shut government down or fight. and they don't want to shut it down. lou: lisa, you get the final 20 seconds, go for it. >> republicans should fight president obama's executive action, it's egregious overreach by the president. and stands in sharp contrast to what he said 20 times. republicans are ready to fight and will fight in february which is when we take up the dhs funding. lou: thanks for being with us, a.b. stod
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. lou: the chairman of a special house committee investigating the deadly 2012 terrorist attacks in benghazi defended the need for additional hearings. congressman trey gaudy outlined it today. >> what precautions were taken? where? by whom? why were we told the benghazi
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facility was secure? why were we told there was a strong security presence in benghazi when we now know there was false? why an ambassador trusted to represent us in a dangerous land wasn't trusted to know what security he needed to do his job. lou: joining us now, a member of the benghazi select committee, congressman lynn westmoreland, he serves on the financial services committee and he is the deputy chairman of the national republican congressional committee. congressman, great to have you with us tonight. >> thank you. lou: let's start with congressman gowdy's points about all of the unanswered questions. is it fair to assume that the committee is going to pursue those answers until they're finally realized? >> yeah, i mean i don't think there is any doubt about it. anybody on the committee is committed to finding out the truth.
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look, the president on september 10 of 2012 made a statement that extra security precautions had been made for september 11th. well we want to know what the extra security precautions were. if you're talking about sending two additional diplomatic security agency from a tripoli to benghazi that that's additional security when there was only three there, i don't think that works. we're going to find out exactly what he meant when he said that there was some additional preparedness. lou: congressman, senators dianne feinstein putting out the feinstein democratic report, full, on the cia, and enhanced interrogation procedures. your reaction to the timing and to the appropriateness of that report. >> lou, it was only one thing,
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politics, she knew if she didn't get it out now, she wouldn't get it out. and after spending 40 million dollars of taxpayer money to get this report only for political purposes, they're still trying to get back at president bush. they haven't gotten over that in six years. this was just a political thing. and i mean it can bring potential harm or even death to americans that are being held captive right now across the world, and as we've seen, isil and others do not treat our, our captives very well at all. so this just puts them in even more danger. and i'll tell you, mr. hayden and vice president cheney, some of the other people that i've seen and read their thoughts on this, those were the guys that were front and center. and for ms. feinstein to say that the leaders in both the house and the senate on the intelligence committee was not informed of this is just not
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true, and i believe they knew exactly what was going on and gave permission for it. here again, this was another political whack at the president, former president bush, and trying to make themselves look good, trying to make us look like we're friends to the world, when the world is not friends with us. lou: congressman, i want to turn to the spending bill. the $1.1 trillion spending bill that has been moved in the house. earlier today, congressman matt salmon of arizona said he and 50 other congressman were adamantly opposed to this bill for a variety of reasons, but principally because it doesn't go far enough in their judgment on a host of issues, among them immigration, despite the fact that homeland security is only funded through february. your thoughts. >> there's a lot of people voting for it for a variety of reasons, too. i'm going to vote for it because the navigable water portion of this which would
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allow farmers on their farm and drainage ditches not to be regulated by the epa. the epa budget is cut 21% from the 2010 level. the fte as low as it was in 1989, we're cutting 350 million dollars from the irs. there's a lot of good things. a lot of life rideers in the thing. i don't care who you are, you can vote against or for something up here. and the immigration thing does not hold water. this president cannot do anything until the funds were appropriated. and what we're passing for the homeland security is a short-term cr which can mean it's the same funding it was last year, and so for any new program, he would be breaking the laws on that. you can't fight somebody for what they say they're going to
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do. you have to wait until they do it. and so that's the reason we need to put this off until the end of february when we will have a better way to fight. we'll have more tools to fight. we'll have a majority in the senate to help us fight, and so to me, that's the logical thing to do. i mean, there's a hill here that you come down every day. i don't think this is the right hill. lou: congressman, i take that as wisdom, political and life lesson as well. there's another one when you're talking about fighting across at 1600 pennsylvania. there's another old saying too, let my enemy, when i do fight be worthy. congressman, thank you so much. congressman lynn westmoreland. >> appreciate it. lou: thank you. time for a few of your comments. chris tweeted me to say --
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we love hearing from you, so does everyone else watching and listening to the broadcast. e-mail us at lou@loudobbs.com. follow us on twitter at lou dobbs news. go to our facebook page, links to everything at loudobbs.com. now to the wrap, last night i talked about the disappointment of not having a government worthy of the american people, what we are witnessing is not only disappointing, it is surely dangerous and corrupting and corroding some of the most important institution in this country. academia is no longer a safe haven for intellectual integrity and toxicity of
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orthodoxy, political correctness and the aggressive insistence of the left have overwhelmed many of the nation's colleges and universities. case in point, the past the prestigious smith college in massachusetts felt actually compelled to apologize for including the phrase all lives matter in her e-mail to students supporting as she was their demonstration and protest efforts. kathleen mccartney claims she was barraged from criticism from student body for not writing instead all lives matter, instead black lives matter. the motto and the rallying cry of the demonstrators around the country and on her campus. i hope she rethinks her position. she had to right the first time. that's it for us tonight, stay tuned for "cavuto" here next. thanks for being with us. good night from new york.
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>> welcome, everybody, i'm neil cavuto. the torture secrets are out, the white house can take cleaver to defense and that's what i'm beginning to wonder whether this is just a setup for big old defense budget shakedown. what do you think? >> i think it's a couple of things, i think certainly continuing to slash defense is on this president's agenda. we've seen it from the very beginning. doing great damage to our national defense at precisely the moment can you face significant threat around the world.

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