two minutes' hate coming up soon enough. we need your hate mail for matt welch and kmele foster. so helpful. i'm kenn ducks. >> welcome, everybody. i'm neil. wicked cold and wicked terrorists. tonight, a look at what happens it ended in france. it's warming up here. there's not much new under the sun when it comes to terrorist scenarios. this is something, this attack in paris the design of this attack and sort of the extent of it. this is something we're talking about uright after 911. it was a big fear in people in the counterterrorism business. this sort of attack involving a handful of

people involving just enough training. it wasn't the scale of 9/11. we thought, look, this is the sort of thing they'll try next to kind of spread the fear. and we didn't see it. we've been working extremely hard over the years. not a matter of luck that we haven't had on the us soil. it surfaces again the same concerns that we've been having and some things have changed. the logistics for the terrorists their capabilities their reach because of isis's success. and the numbers of people, the sheer numbers of people, particularly from western europe that are going back and forth making those connections, getting sufficient training, and then coming back and being able to mobilize. neil: you know, at least two of the guys have ties back to fbn. had discussions about yemen. why does everything always go back to yemen. >> they're based out of yemen. they've always been more ambitious and motivated.

they've had more of a global perspective than other elements of al-qaeda, over the years. and aqap has grown as we've talked about into sort of the primary concern when you talk about al-qaeda as an organization. but within -- you know, the bigger problem is really muslim extremism under which falls isis, under which falls aqap under which falls boko haram and the taliban. all this falls under the umbrella of muslim extremism. and we're still reluctant. we're still concerned or overly politically correct about attacking this problem from that perspective. neil: and still we remain focusing more on planes than stuff on land. mike baker, thank you. it's a potent combination for the terrorists taken down in france. alveda king says it's a reminder of what galvanizes them

everywhere. more to the point of the eyes of martin luther king's niece. dr. king. always go good to have you. it's a common theme that frustration and out of the seeds of that and the high unemployment and the frustration grows this kind of stuff. what do we do? >> well, you know, my uncle, martin luther king always said we must learn to live together as brothers and sisters or perish as fools. daddy was saying god made everybody of one blood. we're brothers and sisters. all these feuds come when there's disagreements about philosophies. my grandkids neil, they want to punch and fight. and i say use your words. and let the words heal and not destroy. we can get people to talk and not to harm and hurt. and that's what i believe is also important. i do not support terrorism or violence, but sometimes we're going to have to find a way to communicate even

when we disagree. neil: i was thinking of you. the employment rate came out today. we are down to 16% for african-american men. >> it's soaring in our communities. neil: it is soaring indeed. in that environment impressionable frustrated men can be drawn to isis and isil influence and many an expert far smarter than i have commented on that and connected those dots. do you? >> opportunity is okay. but we need access. you have african african-american men with great potential and never have the opportunities. no access. it's not fair. i agree with you. you're the experts. you're looking at the charts and the money and the economy. but if you're not going to give people equal access, they will become frustrated, and they will be victimized by

falling prey to violent tactics. even the ones who commit the violence are victims of a sort of. they're destroying their lives with their anger and frustration. neil: what would your dad and uncle think of groups that act out over drawings they find offensive to muhammad. knowing how both your dad and uncle freely and often mentioned jesus christ. he gets a lot more bad rap. muhammad a different take. i wonder whether the world either has to develop a thicker skin or we have to understand what it is that drives them to the degree that they're driven. >> well, my uncle martin luther king jr. my daddy, they were really bible scholars. they would take us back through history, two different mothers, same father. they're brothers. so fighting over religious wars that's something that could be worked out without the

violence and terrorism. people have to realize we're all people. and when we are laughing at someone's religion or poking fun and saying everyone is going to hell if they don't think like us, we need to know we're brothers and sisters. the way is going to be love not condemnation. and we have to be -- satire has its place. i agree with that. i've been a victim of satire. you should see of the cartoons. oh lord. neil: you have thick skin. we had bill donohue, he said without condoning or excusing the violence, he said that some take it too far. that some of these drawings of muhammad and everything were to the point of being pornographic and extreme. we should be free to do what we want but we should give pause. >> and think about consequences. there are consequences to every action. we should use our words

and drawings to heal. i believe we can do that. neil: you might have a future at this preaching thing. >> thank you. neil: words to leave by and at least peaceably sleep by. all this same week, we quietly winded down all war operations in afghanistan that ended after 13 years. the longest war in american history. it's true. overall cut in military spending is now on. former house republican leader dick armey says would be a big mistake. it would be a huge mistake by your reckoning. right? >> yes, it is a big mistake. this is a dangerous world in which we live. in addition to that beyond the singular question of the military budget, we need to straighten out our budget and set our priorities and be conforming to the priorities and the mandates of the constitution. so, for example, put it to the american question -- people. would you rather

increase funding for the marine corps or increase funding for americorps. they will say what the heck is americorps. what do they do? let's put some discretion into discretionary spending. use the budget committee. make it clear. this is the tradeoff we're making. we're cutting off things like americorps and the peace corps that have done this country virtually no good whatsoever. and putting it in the defense of our nation, our national security which is an imperative fort security of our children. >> what if that military spending is not getting the desired result for all the money blood shed in that region and elsewhere. these nuts are still on the loose in cities like paris. we've seen what they've done in london and boston. so how in this new age of terror where it's spotty but they pick

their spots. we have to reassess how we appropriate that money, don't we? >> yes, we do. and these have to be defense military strategic decisions not political decisions. virtually all budgetary waste in this country comes from the fact that people substance political objectives for civil objectives. military security objectives. let the politicians put their politics aside and focus on the real needs of the country. evaluate the programs. i'll tell you who had the best budgetary plan for this country was jimmy carter. the democrats crucified him for it and the republicans weren't happy about him either. the fact of the matter is we have to prioritize and make trade decisions. among competing programs and cut out the wasteful

inefficient unnecessary and oftentimes, unconstitutional programs and put the focus where we are. now getting back to national security in a world that's as bizarre and as cunning and as dangerous as this world we have to reprioritize how we allocate these resources between, for example, discovery defense, intelligence, and then motivation -- neil: just reprioritizing everything. people always forget, we don't have any money. we can't -- >> absolutely right. neil: beggars can't be choosers. thank you. the hostage situation is over. the actual threat is just beginning many people say. tomorrow i'm hosting a live cost of freedom on fox news. we have you covered with kurk. and president bill donohue on the religious

fallout. how far do we go with freedom of speech. how do we balance that with the interest of others? it's a special live program. what's at stake for your money and your life maybe to the very core of this country and all freedom-loving democracies. jeb bush is ready to bring in big bucks. what about us? troops have got the passion, but it always comes back to the money. or does it? mike huckabee next.

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money. mike huckabee says it's not always about the cash. it's the ideas that matter. governor always a pleasure. the cash does matter. your last presidential go around, you you had the passion, but you didn't have the money to follow through. right? >> money is a big part of it. we can look back to 2008 when i ran. we had more gallons than anybody, we had a dime to the dollar of guys like romney and mccain. granted, you have to have more money than i had before if you'll money to go on television, answer the attacks that are inevitable. sure, money is a critical part. you can have all the money in the world. ultimately, you need something that will connect to the voters. jeb bush is a terrific candidate. good close personal friend of mine. i have no doubt that he will be formidable with or without money. in jeb's case, he'll

have money no doubt. neil: how do you get the follow through? should you choose to run for president, you will have more company on the religious right. rick santorum would be there. ted cruz would possibly be there. a host of others who would challenge you for that vote. do you think that one of has to emerge as that alternative to, let's say, a jeb bush or should mitt romney enter the race. mitt romney, those type of guys? >> you know, i think this narrative that i would be the religious candidate really is a narrative that i don't agree with. neil: i meant to say the one to jesus. >> yeah, i know. but, you know, here's the thing, of all the people that are talked about running, none of them have been a governor has enough executive experience being a governor as i did. ten and a half years. and i was governor for ten years, i didn't take

the state dome and turn it into a steeple. or require wednesdays bible night. neil: i thought you had. >> no. i would do that if i were president at the us capitol. it could use a little god. but the whole idea that the reason that i would run are the kind of president that a guy like me would be, would be to, you know, start every day with a prescribed prayer meeting misses the record that i had leading a state governing, and communicating and connecting with people. and so, you know do i have spiritual convictions? absolutely. am i ashamed of them? absolutely not. but you don't run for president because you want to tell everybody about jesus. you run for president because you want to lead the country. neil: governor, always good seeing you, my friend. thank you very, very much. >> thank you neil. great to talk to you. neil: we have one of those

classic conundrums. more people getting jobs. all that's good. despite the 5.6% unemployment rate among young americans african-americans it's triple that. and now you hear that businesses are closing shop. 60,000 us corporations are shutting down each year and all because they say regulations taxes, you know the drill. to obama's outside advisor, robert wolf on what needs to change. the president's outside advisor. >> i agree it's time for corporate tax reform. i think that the politicians want it. the presidents want it. the business sector wants it. neil: why don't we get it? >> you know what, it's the fact that he's come out that we should lower it to 28% for corporates. 25% for manufacturings, but we have to broaden the base to lower the rate. it needs to be revenue

neutral. the rights would agree as well. we don't want to increase the deficit. the problem is: how do you get to revenue neutral? closing loopholes. rigged pork. that's the dilemma. it's a difficult thing to do. neil: do you think we'll have tax reform? others on the right have expressed the same interest? >> i think listen, with congressman ryan and camp they're bright guys. they know what needs to be done. i don't think you'll get individual tax reform. neil: i think you're right. >> i think you could get corporate tax reform. ideally put it at 20%. we'll see where the pork is. neil: there's an idea. >> but it's very difficult. it's why repatriotism is difficult. they score it as a net revenue. how do you bring back money without hitting the deficit.

i think it's tough but doable. (?) with republican leaders right now in the house and the senate and the president saying he wants to do it as well -- neil: there's a few months to do it because next year is a lost cause. right? >> there are two things that both the president and the republicans are corporate tax reform and free trade. there are the only two things in my opinion that can get done in 2016. neil: free trade. >> asia free trade. i think at which time the best possibility. corporate tax reform is needed. neil: do you think hillary clinton is reading the same choir book, would she be for the same thing as well. >> you have to be a pro business president in 2016. neil: you don't think her drive to the left to satisfy the warrens and sanders won't hurt

her? >> i was listening to your good interview with the governor. i heard about jeb. you have to be center right or center left. if you look at the last primary where governor romney was pushed so right. and i'm a massachusetts guy. i like him. he was pushed so far right. impossible to run that way. center. if the secretary runs, she can't be forced to the left where elizabeth warren would like. i think we'll stay more in the center. neil: you're hoping for some kind of corporate tax reform in the meantime. >> yeah. trade first. corporate tax reform is more important and more needed. but i would give it at a 50/50. trade i would give 51. unfortunately. neil: no, i hear where you're coming from. always good. president obama pushing for college. but one of my guests thinks he's pushing the

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neil: all right. well it's time for neil's spiel. president obama talked up free community college as long as kids work for it. who is ultimately paying for it? lizzie mcdonald, tracy byrnes. kaley, the president is saying first two years on us. work for it. encourage people into college. the intentions are good. i can see this being way out of control. >> way out of control. >> and here's the problem, neil millennials do not need more education. we have plenty of that. we're the most educated -- neil: i don't know i get resumes from you. that might not be the case. >> we don't have jobs. 48% of millennials are employed in jobs that are not what they were studying. there's a dearth of manufacturing jobs. a dearth of people skilled for

manufacturing jobs. we need to push people out of education and into other areas. neil: the whole community college, community college is inexpensive to begin with, so why make it free? >> that's true. why make it free because it's so cheap and it's for that lower bracket. neil: in other words, helps the -- >> helps the middle bracket. this has to be put into context of how aggressive it is. bill clinton was the last who had this idea in '96. he was only talked about tax credits for the last two years of college. this is paying for two years. paying with tax fund for two years of college. it doesn't fix the underlying business of tuition costs going up. neil: this will only encourage that. >> they're running college campuses with white bling stadiums. >> this is an underlying problem that we keep giving crap away. the bar is so low. you only need a c plus

to maintain this? that's ridiculous. the the whole 3% down. where is the accountability? we have 46% people on food stamps. it's getting worst. neil: we're getting stupid as a country. that everyone else are going to these fine schools. that we're up against. >> yet we're giving away the farm. >> the perverted aspects, one the lower income individuals already have pell grants. they're already going to community colleges. the people this is helping are those living a comfortable life and can't afford to pay that. number one that's the problem. number two, it doesn't address the cost of college. neil: yeah, big difference between community college -- >> i don't know why no one else in the media besides fox business is reporting on this. this is so important. these guys are tax exempt. universities and colleges are tax exempt. if they'll continue to increase in tuition they should get a cut in their tax-exempt status

somehow. neil: good idea. >> if we give away the farm, i want a's. the best is, the president doesn't even have a plan. we have no idea how much it will cost or where the money will come from. >> they don't even -- they don't even know how much it will cost. >> that's what i mean. >> 41 billion, they say. neil: the problem is, we're talking about community college and college and we have john ratzenberger, and people say what about skill sets. people that are gifted mechanics and electricians. those are real skill sets. >> 600,000 manufacturing jobs open. there was a lack of skilled workers. push people into those areas. instead, everyone has to have a college degree. that's not the case. >> that's a point. countries like finland -- in norway they focus on those kinds of electrician and manufacturing jobs because they're higher paying. but, you know, i think it's well-intended, but the outcome will slam

taxpayers. neil: my plumber has people. >> i would pay anything to find a good plumber. neil: that's amazing. an entourage when he shows up. our terrorists are scaring the funny out of us. joe here to say, not even close. we better not@ñ

neil: you know you think about this crazy week. all the carnage over a cartoon. say it saint so. joe piscopo. a comedy that's come under attack. we're talking satire. whether you're offended or not, you don't kill people. >> i think what we did on snl, i was at the forefront of right when lampoon came out. then it goes to saturday night live. england was ahead of us with monty python.

neil: and they had religious types and all. you're criticizing jesus. >> neil, and our hearts go out to everyone in france. my gracious. i remember it was snl, christmastime, frank sinatra singing silent night. neil: yeah. did you ever get threats. people said you went too far? >> the crew would go silent night. holy night. it's okay. round that virgin chick. he grew up to be famous. you know what he did. now i'm such a churchgoing guy. i'm so religious now. back then -- but honestly you can make fun of christians, you can make fun of that. you can make fun of your jewish friends. god forbid you make fun of - neil: bill donohue said he certainly condone the violence. he said there's such a thing as discretion. i'm paraphrasing. don't go too far when you parody or satire

someone. you start policing yourself for fear. he said we hustlerrized it. this newspaper in france went too far. >> you should be able to to do what you want. it's a free society. neil: it's satire. >> even in the koran muhammad never said blasphemy. these are misguided thugs really. it has nothing to do with ideology. that's what's upsetting. neil: what about the bill maher types that think this is something that tens of millions agree with it, that they might not vocally say go, go, go, but they agree with this. they think it's blasphemy. >> i can't imagine that. you talked to gabriel as well. you see on the network. and robert spencer you had on. and we have him on our show as well. jihad watch. i can't imagine that. i think these are

totally misguided thugs. the question is: how do you stop it. you should be able to say what you want. on snl, we were able to do anything. when eddie and i would walk the line. you are blind as a bat. side by side you were my amigo and negro let's not fight. i would be killed today. the african-americans -- neil: you were thinking, if you start dialing this back even a little bit it's dangerous? >> it is. you can't -- you can't. you have to let it go. it should be absolute freedom of expression. neil: here's what will happen in print and broadcast subliminally they'll start dialing it back. >> i think you're absolutely right. but you can't show fear. you can't show fear. we did it with reckless abandon on snl. neil: you did. you took a lovable character like gumby.

>> we offended everybody. frank sinatra didn't hate it. he loved it. he called me the vice chairman of the board. he told me i was a wacky kid. >> he understood. neil: he was cool with kids. >> also, i'm offended by a lot of those religious cartoons. they take shots at christians all the time. but you can't -- neil: you can't start parsing who you offend. >> no. but you're allowed to behead people and kill christians in the middle east but you can't write a cartoon about somebody. this is so misguided. you need a leader to lay it out and to say what is right and what is wrong. i feel these youth are so misguided. when i look in the eyes of the terrorists, when i go in the inner cities of the united states, you see these kids -- neil: those kids -- >> they're 18. thirty years old. these young men.

they're misguided. neil: what are these guys -- 18. >> yeah. stick to the point. freedom of expression. and freedom of speech and do not marginalize it. neil: i think sinatra was offended. he just didn't say it. joe piscopo. thank you very much. when we come back, when jfk promised to moon walk by the end of the decade. well, he got it. this guy promising the same for mars. here's the difference he will take up the t if you keep tanning, indoors or out, the effects of harmful rays will show up on your skin. wrinkles, age spots and an increased risk of skin cancer, including melanoma, the deadliest

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neil: all eyes on 2016, not the election, how about the clonization. billionaire elon musk wants to bring humans to mars. he wants to take the big steps early next year. former astronaut tom jones. i guess, tom, you would wish him well. he will need a lot of help, but what do you think of it. >> i'm glad someone is getting started sooner

than later. nasa's problem is to get people in deep space. and it's tough with the flat nasa budget. elon musk says he'll start this process up. put unmanned flights to mars. then get humans there. neil: we've done the unmanned trip to mars already. whatever he's doing he'll be doing on his own. how realistic is that? that would be a formidable undertaking right. >> twenty, 30 years of homework. new propulsion systems. much more reliable life support. safeguard astronauts from the radiation. he can attack the launch cost end of it. how to get all this machinery up to space for something affordable. that's where his innovation can pay off. neil: i think we need a vision again. whether it's a jfk vision. i know that was a born of a cold war, et

cetera. we need a vision or goal. whether it's landing on mars i don't know. with spacex to get stuff up to the international space station what have you, at least we wouldn't be hitching rides with the russian. how soon does that end, that we're not dependent on others to just get to space. >> again there's no emergency directive from the administration to speed that process up. it looks still to me like 2018 before we start flying humans out of cape canaveral out of the space station. americans in particular. that's partially elon's job. boeing is competing with him for that contract. i think we do need a directive from our leaders, congress, the president, to say, mars is the firm long-term goal. and in the meantime, we have to start industrializing, building an economy in space to pay for these future missions to get astronauts to visit and colonize mars. neil: what about the moon being

a launching point for everything they want to do in space. >> their calculation is that the moon is doable. they've seen it done by other nations in the past. it's a near enough goal that they they think they can get mileage out of it. neil: been there, done that. really? but they're using it as a base. right? >> they'll say, first of all, that they can do it and nobody else can. and that would be true. we don't have that capability. there's a lot of hope that water on the moon, other metallic resources can be used to establish and sustain an outpost. i think the moon really offers the long-term hope that we can produce rocket fuel there on the moon. and that might lower the cost of getting people way out to deep space. the astros and mars multiply there.there are private mining companies that want to do that. that's promising to industrialize space. make a profit that might eventually lead to

people going to mars. neil: i think you hit on it. it may not be the vision, but the money profit thing. that might drive this. we'll watch closely. happy new year. thank you very much. tom jones. all right, from the monkey dance to the fergie dance? why you should wish your boss were more like this guy. ♪ >> what's up?'?

neil: all right. in our biz blitz bombers still going ballistic. i think in my opinion a good ballistic. the la clippers owner dancing to fergie. some are mocking him. why? you say there are benefits to having fun.

>> some of these ceos have the personality of an uncooked chicken cutlet. this guy has passion. i would love to work for him. he loves what he does. what did microsoft get? xbox. zune. listen, i love a guy who cheers better than any nba cheerleader. i wouldn't want to stand near him. look at the wide berth. neil: he does better than the predecessor of the clippers. we say there's a way we should be. he has a long history of getting emotional, which i think is fine. >> it's infectionuous. it's so refreshing to see someone enjoying life. it was fergie. come on. i would dance like that for fergie too. neil: exactly. >> he's done this at microsoft events too. this is his shtick. neil: why does it work for him

and not chris christie. >> i was just going to say that. neil: and the horizontal stripes too. i deeply admire that. >> that's a fashion faux pas. neil: china is already counterfeiting apple iwatch. at a mashable event got one for 27 bucks. kaley, we must be doing something right in this country. >> america is the greatest innovator in the world. we embrace the free market. they copy us. china can't do innovation. neil: because they're too busy murdering our pets. >> there you go. neil: i'm sure there's an app for that. >> the united states needs to realize we are where we are because of the free market system. china is gaining on us. >> the in your face forgery, we're going to come to your event and

mimic you and copy you i think that's scary. neil: didn't they have the apple stores that were a complete rip-off. >> if they don't like this, don't have your products made in china. neil: very good point. >> i don't think that watch will take off anyway. there are clocks on your cell phones. there are clocks on buildings. that thing, you won't wear it to a wedding. neil: you don't know yet. >> the mashable reporter said the person he bought it from, she didn't take her glasses off. she was covert. didn't want anybody to know. neil: what does that mean. >> they slide them in. don't want to know you there. neil: what i admire about the chinese, how some can be blatantly deceitful but brag about. >> they stole the whole everything like 95% -- neil: it's really. >> stuff like the apple iwatch. neil: it's too big admired. >> they came to your house and did it. neil: on issue three, the justice department is now

announcing it is jumping in on the redskins trademark dispute. really? tracy, i'm thinking timing is everything. we have the cartoons now and the fuss about that. now the redskins. really? >> they're saying if the trademark brings contempt to a race or religion, it is no good. neil: didn't the judge dismiss this. >> they're saying, no, we'll side with the redskins. everyone needs to relax a little. everyone is so uber sensitive to things. no onens how this will play out because this is unprecedented. >> the obama administration only exists if they have victims to play off. this is an example of the democrat party trying to create a victim. meanwhile, you look back in 2004 and 90% of native americans said they had no problem with the term. it's creating a victim. it's not okay. neil: it's weird. we're looking at what's

happening when people killed people for cartoons. we're getting fixated on something like this. there are bigger things on burners. >> i totally agree. took the words out of my mouth. i appreciative the sensitivities to our native americans. they would say justice department, get the real bad guys who are murdering people and acting like spree killers. neil: get our priorities straight. we're always on these wedge issues. they poll well. >> that's exactly why the president proposed this thing with the colleges today. native americans. it's all to get people in the voting booths. this is why we need term limits. neil: given the awful year the redskins have had let them go -- >> that's a great juxtaposition, a week we're commending some of these magazines who have the right to say what

they say. that the administration would try to abrogate freedom of speech. it's an odd juxtaposition. neil: it's just a matter of time. fallout from france. worried about what's next? wait until you hear what the head of the nasa just said to us. [laughter] announcer: they say that when you're facing extreme danger your life flashes before you. [bells peal, baby cries] if you think that's sad, consider facing it

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>> back to that attack in france and whether we should fear one in america. we're getting warnings that one is coming, religious leaders are on high alert. they always say that's them, not us. >> well, i really wish that it was just them that this was just the problem of france, but it is a problem for the entire

free western world. there's going to be either these guys former jihadi operatives coming here to do something or could just be more of the wanna-bes that see this on tv, see it on the internet, and decide they're going to do their part. >> you might be onto something here. isis hacking french websites after the shooting. the head of the nsa telling fbn's matt dean isis could be very, very close to hacking us here listen to this. >> how concerned is the intelligence community and nsa and cybercommand that isis will somehow possess the capability of carry out cyberattacks? >> i'm always concerned. we are watching groups you've seen do similar kinds of things in some ways, and i paid great attention to we see the terrorist organizations move along the same lines, something i pay great attention to.

>> they're already doing it right now, right? to varying degrees? >> they are. isis is much more sophisticated with use of the internet and use of social media than al qaeda ever was. that means they've got the guys who know how to use this stuff. you don't have to be a nation state to do damage over the internet. >> what do we do in response to that? >> we have to be vigilant xerox to cooperate with the authorities. if the fbi calls your company to say it looks like somebody is getting in your stuff. let them do their job, and we have to be common sense. sony left itself wide open. you can't do that. you've got to take those steps but still neil it's very, very difficult to protect networks in an open society. >> you know this idea that isis, isil whatever, they have a very sophisticated way to reach out to disenfranchised,

frustrated alienated the youth in various countries in france and england and boston the tsarnaev brothers. rising economic tide lifts all boat. focus on a job, fair and balanced economy for everybody, it won't be a problem. >> it will be much less of a problem, you're absolutely right, and we're the example. we have much less of a problem with this than some of our european allies who have much more isolated, insulated immigrant communities. we incorporate people so there's less of them trying to do this stuff. but it doesn't eliminate it completely unfortunately. >> steve, thank you very much, he knows what he speaks. knows more about the stuff what's going on now. fear that another shoe could drop. the terrorists have warned that tomorrow, this weekend could be signs of more agitation. remember this thing in paris

isn't fully resolved. they want to know how it's happened so easily? special live cost of freedom beginning at 10:00 a.m. eastern time through noon some ofweekend, don't despair. stay here and watch lou dobbs next. . lou: good evening, everybody. breaking news. french police took out three terror suspects in simultaneous police rates on two separate hostage situations earlier in the day. the radical islamist terrorists responsible for killing 12 people at the "charlie hebdo" newspaper in paris are dead, along with another radical islamist believed to have murdered a french police officer yesterday before taking five people hostage in a jewish grocery store. a manhunt is still under way for a female suspect believed to have collaborated in those attacks. and evident is piling up at this hour that the