like like, like. that's it for us tonight. stay tuned for cavuto. good night from new york. see you tomorrow night. neil: welcome, everybody. i'm neil cavuto. tonight, the president might be focused on veto threats and not on terror threats. president obama is meeting privately with democrats in pennsylvania to discuss political strategy, but not military officials in the war room to discuss war strategy. bob says the administration's priorities are what's dangerous. general, good to have you back. now is not the time to do the optic thing he's doing is what i'm saying. what do you think? >> you're absolutely right. the thing that amazes most of my military colleagues is the fact that the president and the administration are so disconnected from what's going on in the

world. the president when he came into office, his objective was for these wars to end so he could focus on things that are political and economic. he was going to reform the health care system. he didn't want to fight in iraq and afghanistan. it's almost as if somehow, if i ignore it it will go away. of course, al-qaeda and isis has a completely different perspective. when they see a president who is detached all that does is give them hope and confidence in the future. if the world's greatest military power whistles across the graveyard that appears to be weakness. neil: it is alive and well whether he wants to be detached or not. that's what worries me you know? >> yeah. and here's the thing: at the very time when it's certain that the atrocities in paris and belgium had their roots in yemen it turns out

that today the president releases five gitmo detainees. and releases them back to the border on yemen. the optics are just terrible. the enemy watches and says, you know america is not in the game. they're not fully committed to fighting us. but we've declared war on us. all this does, as i've said before, it gives them heart. the yemenees are coming back home. they're plotting against the west. neil: you could argue he's trying not to offend muslims. he's getting a hell of a thank you back from them because they continue to up the ante and continue to do the very kind of thing that happened under president bush when this president was saying, you know it's the kind of thing that galvanizes our enemy. so it's not worked. what does he do? >> that's exactly right.

there's an old saying, when you focus a mission and develop a plan you deal with mission enemy terrain and troops. can you imagine franklin roosevelt refusing to use the word nazi? so if the enemy finds themselves taken off sort of the, you know, list of enemies by not referring to them as islamic extremists, which the rest of the world does. that gives heart to the enemy. they know america's heart isn't in the game. neil: i'll accept the president -- maybe he's trying not to offend them. they have a funny way of repaying them. you're quite right. >> yeah, that's right. and look, what the administration is trying not to do is harden the hearts of the islamic world. well, excuse me, if you've seen events in the last couple of weeks, it looks like the islamic -- islamist extremists don't need a whole lot of

discouragement in order to pursue their aims, which is destruction in israel and the united states. neil: i appreciate your comments and service to the united states. thank you, sir. terror threats have airport security beefed up. threats aren't just trying to sneak into this country, a lot of them are already here. terrorist analyst lisa on how to stop the terror within. to your point lisa, it seems to be alive and well. what do we do? >> it's alive and well. what we have to remember is that these foiled attacks are just as important as the ones that get through and are actually successful in launching attacks. it just shows that the agenda of these jihadis has not changed. i think what isis brought to the forefront. we saw them as this tangible visual, new jihadi threat. they marched like an army taking over land and oil fields. that was new. we also saw them bring

this jihad 2.0 to the forefront using social media and doing these new things. what wasn't changed they're not after land and space they're after minds. and they know exactly how to get them. how to go and prey upon the young the vulnerable -- neil: how do they do that? and how do we stop them? >> that's why they recruit the young people. their technological savvy is so new. they'll be one step ahead of us until we learn to fight ideology with ideology. we combat them on that level. meaning, we not only stop them physically. how you started off the segment. not only believing the threat is in yemen or syria or iraq or other parts in the region, it's right here. one does not have to travel to become radicalized. they can do it on the internet. at home. neil: as bad guys want to blow us away the president is

focused more it seems on giveaways. president obama signing a memorandum for mandatory sick-leave today. if all these government goodies are meant to be a distraction or are they warranted? tracy, what do you think? >> i think foreign policy has been his weakest link and it still is. and they said ignore it it will go away. i think that is policy. i don't think he knows how to handle it. he's in over his head in all this. we're behind the eight ball. ignorance is just making it worse. neil: i think that -- these terror threats notwithstanding he says on issues like this, they test poll well. mandatory days off. mandatory coverage. sick days. it does resonate. i wonder whether he's getting the base together. >> this is political misdirection at the worst possible timing. the new york post said it great today.

they had a picture of obama watching a football game while the rest of the leaders were in paris. that's where the focus should be. the family sick-leave act, he introduced potentially free college for folks. what is this timing? he's trying to build his legacy but not take care of american safety. neil: the gardner and chef say we can talk and chew gum at the same time. we're doing other things. then show me. (?) >> can they work and chew gum at the same time. we've had the self exchanges hacked. we've had the irs giving out tax credits. $13 billion fraudulently there. we have terror cells in the united states we may not be able to get. it's a populous give

away. neil: he wants to tempt republicans to reject it. you're against sick days and that sort of thing. you're for killing santa claus. >> you're the bad guys. he paints pushes them in the corner. >> he's trying to leave his legacy. >> we're going to kill you oomph in him. neil: i'm not negative a view on his foreign -- he did take out osama bin laden. he does have a record of some of these things that would at least hint a potential -- >> but his policy, it's so cynical. neil: you're just a hater, by the way, but go ahead. >> it's so cynical. someone has to pay for -- you don't want someone coming into work and making you sick. businesses have to pay for it. neil: i'm here to make your lives miserable. >> you get sick-leave --

neil: do you get paid? >> let the free market and employers decide. >> sick-leave is so irrelevant in what's happening in this world right now. it's so irrelevant. neil: with all the priorities going on, i think sick-leave goes down the bench, you know. >> yeah, get your flu shot and move on. >> how can we fight an enemy that we won't name? i don't get it. >> it's not the flu. neil: oh, they do have sick days. you're the ceo of gallup. the economy is more important than our military. we're losing the war. actually both those wars after this.

neil: to the old get up and go,

just get up and go. is american entrepreneurship facing extinction? more us businesses are dying than being created. gallup ceo jim says this is not just an economic problem. it is a major national security problem. very good to have you jim. when i started dissecting the numbers and looking through them. wow, they were very disturbing because we were once the starter for all this. no longer. what's going on? >> well, one of the things -- you know, we got concerned. we were skeptical about the economy when they said unemployment was doing well. if you take the full-time jobs of the population, it's the lowest it's been in about 40 years. we started saying, well, where can you find jobs? we were looking at gdp. we had two good quarters. you take a blended -- we

knew at some place the energy wasn't working right. you hear there are 26 million businesses in america. there's only 6 million. many of them are mom and pop shops. there are a million between five and ten people -- five and ten employees. 500,000 between ten and 20. and another 500,000 between ten and 100. you only have 2 million businesses that fund this whole magnificent $16 billion. neil: what's behind it? >> because there was 500,000 that were starting. 400,000 that were closing, going broke. those lines just cross. now there's 400,000 starting and 500,000 that are dying. i think that the spirit of free enterprise is in trouble. but we've never had more businesses dying, ever since the government

started measuring this. this isn't a poll. this is a senses. so now we have, yeah, about 400,000 starting at 500,000 dying. (?) unless that gets fixed i don't see where economic energy comes to pay for all the great things we need. neil: who abroad is benefiting from this? who is picking up that slack? >> none of them are. the whole gdp is increasing it's increasing at a decreasing rate. we probably lead in entrepreneurship, but i think start-ups around the world are slowing down and we're leading the way. neil: well i hope that doesn't continue obviously. jim clifton good seeing you, i think. all of this is why former hewlett-packard ceo said 2016 is so

important. she joins me right now. first up on this presidential thing. are you going to run? >> well, i haven't made that decision yet. what i can tell you i'm very seriously considering running. neil: why? >> because i think we need different experience, different perspective and a different voice. neil: but you went through this hellish process when you ran in 2010. >> it's true. i learned a lot -- neil: it's a ruthless and thankless ordeal. >> it's also a wonderful process to talk to americans about the challenges. one of which jim clifton iillustrated for us. we have a la la vie then called the government crushing us. 70% of employers consider the government hostile to them. we're at a point where government is so big, so complex, so

unaccountable, so inefficient, so corrupt in so many cases, that it is becoming harder and harder for people with guts and brains and ambition and gifts to work. neil: do you think the government has an edge in the pr war, that business is routinely presented as all but evil. (?) and not the government. >> well, you know, it's interesting. i actually agree with elizabeth warren that crony capitalism exists. where i disagree with her profoundly is that big government can only be dealt with by big business. if you're looking at dodd-frank which we're considering amending. it made ten banks too big to fail into five banks too big to fail. most of those small business owners their helping hand the community bank is flat on its back because small can't deal with big government.

big government works well for big companies. neil: but it's your big government background -- >> the bigger they get -- neil: your big government background, for all your improvements kudos at hewlett-packard, they'll come at you on a national level. same like barbara boxer. she's cruel to the economy. a woman. you know what will happen. >> of course. it's important that i started in a small business. i got my chance the way most americans do. small businesses. neil: oh -- >> yeah, create two-thirds of the new jobs. 50% of americans are employed by small business. i managed hewlett-packard through a difficult time but we grew that business from 45 billion to 90 billion. you grow a lot of jobs when you double the size of a company around the world. we were producing 11 patents a day. innovation creates jobs. but here's the thing:

big business isn't enough to power this economy. we need small businesses to the power economy. neil: if you choose to run for president, you would be the only promprominent woman in the race. all the others are passing up. what do you think of that? what would your campaign theme be? >> our party has to be diverse as the nation we hope to represent. the nation we hope to represent is very diverse. in fact, 53% of voters are women. and we're half the nation. neil: i know that. but when you have a bush in there and maybe a redo with mitt romney, what do you think? >> so what i know is that everybody has potential. and that, in fact, this nation became the greatest nation on the face of the earth because here more people were able to fulfill their potential. that's why entrepreneurship is so important. it's how most people fulfill their potential. so, yes, the theme is unlocking potential. you cannot unlock the potential of this nation without the leadership

that understands how it works. neil: how would you get the money types to rally around you? they would know of your impressive background. they know of your last senate race. they might think there's so many other big names. we're placing our bets with those names. >> there are so many other well-known names. that would be a logical thing for someone to think. i think they also ought to think what good it does the party to have a diverse set of candidates. what good it does to have someone who actually understands how the economy works. and the truth is that there is a hunger out there. i've been politically active, as you know, for many many years helping other people win. there's a hunger for something other than policies as usual. neil: would you be a maggie thatcher type? >> i know most of the world leaders on the world stage today. i've had a lot of

experience chairing the advisory board at the central intelligence agency. working -- neil: what about the war on woman. you're a woman, what do you say? >> i think conservative principles work best to lift people up and unlock potential. there's a lot of unlocked potential in women in this country in politics and business all around the world. there's no doubt and we saw it again today in paris, there's no doubt that the world is missing american leadership and the world desperately needs american leadership. that doesn't mean rushing off to war but it does mean having the strongest economy in the world. which means innovation and entrepreneurship. the strongest military in the world. the moral clarity to call evil what it is. isis is evil. it has to be destroyed. having the courage to act when necessary. like putin and isis stand when necessary. but also the wisdom when not to act. it was wise to go after afghanistan after 9/11.

it was not wise to think we could build a central government in a nation that hadn't had one in 2,000 years. it takes courage and clarity and wisdom and experience. neil: it wise after 13 years we got out of afghanistan? >> yeah, it's never wise to pull out completely. i don't understand the analogy that obama has made. we have been a force for good in places like japan, south korea germany. in fact, when we withdraw from areason arenas, they became more dangerous. pulling out lock, stock and barrel is bad and we're seeing the consequences. neil: you don't need a prompter. a lot of people do. >> well, you know, neil the last thing i would say, i believe ours was intended to be a citizen government. that's what by and for the people means. citizens people with private sector experience need to step to the plate.

why can only professionals run for office. that's a modern invention. neil: we're one hack away from an economic crisis, but this isn't a problem. when the world turns its cheek, be prepared to be kicked in yours.

neil: all right. time for neil's spiel. these guys are the experts? the wizards at the world economic forum putting out their list of the top ten global risks and placing cyber attacks -- cyber attacks dead last. and i'm thinking to myself self just today france is reporting it was hacked 19,000 times in the past week. and then, of course you had 16 million consumers hacked in the us this last year.

morgan wright looking at that same list probably wondering the same thing. >> i thought this was the remake of the james dean movie. it's called forum without a clue. these guys don't live in reality. after the irs thing, i had to keep up the good lines for you. bring the a game. i read through that whole report. i have to tell you, this is probably the biggest understatement, if not the biggest, you know, exercise in malfeasance i've seen in a long time to put cyber attacks down at the bottom. before i came on-air, i get the fact checkers. i called semantics, what do you see? 90% increase on our -- 62% increase against consumers. in fact, 552 million identities neil, had their identities exposed online. they project from 18 months to the next ten years, that cyber attacks and id theft is going to go down.

it's unbelievable. (?) to me, it's perception. it's not reality. neil: all right. when those who really control the world economy don't place this as even close to priority, it can only tell me, morgan, that it will get worse. a lot worse. >> absolutely. and, in fact, neil in that same report, one of the things that bothers me about this report is the issue of governance. after they'll be turned over to a global body, in that same document, they're talking about the need to provide governance and to manage these solutions over the internet. there's no one global global body that does it. this is just another stair step. you minimize the problem because you don't think it's important except you blow up the problem when you want to exert domain and dominion over it. they're downplaying it on the one hand. on the other hand, it needs to be important enough for them to exercise control over.

neil: whatever you do in cyber space is a gateway to doing stuff in other spaces. >> in that same report, unemployment was a bigger threat than cyber crime. cyber crimes causes unemployment. it can take down banking and finance. attack our defense industries. just like you said 19,000 attacks in france alone. next to the explanation for calling the hack of centcom just cyber vandalism, this rates as one of the biggest social media blunders i've seen. neil: thank you. everyone looks at how much they're paying in interest. is it that big a deal. it's close to 300,000 bucks a big deal. how to reverse that after this.

neil: did you get a treat on last night's show? not just because of me.

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that's enough for a second house. that's enough for even a first house. back with the all-stars if there's any way to avoid this knee-deep interest hell. >> pretty bad. new york, new jersey, we have big mortgage payments. the credit card that's self-inflicting. you have to kind of just manage that. (?) truth is: if you could credit card debt kills your credit score. home equity lines do not. if you're in a position to do that, get it on a home equity line. that will bring your credit score up. >> if you live in the beautiful state of iowa, only pay -- the housing costs make a dramatic difference. americans love their credit cards. we love to have those extra dollars in our pocket. the truth is, we're still blowedded with debt. we've shed some. we're building it back again. don't spend what you don't have.

neil: even when it comes to mortgages. right? we tend to latch on to whoever says yes. the fact of the matter is, that could mean a pricier mortgage. >> it's coming from the real estate broker. news flash money isn't free. neil: wait. wait. >> write that down, everybody. when people pay interest on their credit cards, i have to say, what are you doing? don't do that. that's really dumb. neil: a lot of people can't afford to pay the whole -- >> then use cash. you're paying 18 -- >> they want the big screen tv. >> hang on. but to your point, you know, the recession is when you're supposed to restructure your debt. it went down from -- people are indebted. they do it to pay attention. >> i don't think it's fair to say that's because of the big screens. during hard times people were charging food. if you don't have the money, you don't have the money.

unfortunately, you have a credit card. as long as you keep paying that minimum balance -- neil: real quick advice from each of you how to bring this number down so at least it's not 300 grand. >> shop around for a mortgage. a lot of people because it was so hard to get one for so long, it was like waiting for someone to ask you to a prom. went to the first guy that asked you. >> 40% of americans are in over their head and can't pay their regular debt. if you're going to shop coupons, absolutely shop for a mortgage. don't just ask your real estate agent. they have avested interest in it. >> yeah, news flash. what bothers me, it came from the consumer financial protection bureau. we don't need those surveys from you. this is elizabeth warren's outfit. we need you to probe the hacks in the health care exchanges.

why are we paying for surveys like this. get a better mortgage. really? neil: what's worse is doing a segment on it. lizzie can't make it for a couple of segments we have. it's a pity. more and more calls from taken is happening. don't believe me. in two minutes i'll show you the proof. >> go to the next bedroom. under the bed. tell me when you're there. now, the next part is very important. they're going to take you. >> daddy.

neil: all right. i've heard of scammers. this is scary stuff. taking advantage of the terror fears. a growing number of people getting horrific calls saying their family members have been kidnapped and they're looking for ransom. these kidnapping calls are fake. the fears are all too real. when did this start?

>> so this has been going on for several years. we've seen a dramatic increase in the last several months over the last year, where these scammers, these criminals are calling in and they're using several different types of scams, but basically to convince you that a loved one is in some type of danger. neil: how do they convince you? >> we just kidnapped your son, your daughter, your granddaughter if you don't pay us right away, we'll hurt them. you hear someone in the background screaming. neil: do they know enough about you to know that you have a son or daughter. >> sometimes they do because they've seen it through social media. it's like a cold call. they'll call in and say your son your daughter, your grandson. they hope to get that. the victim goes, oh, you have johnny or joey. and then they're like, yes, we have johnny.

neil: do they leave you with an address? >> they will not let you go off the phone. we'll hurt that person if you go off the phone. if you've been in an auto accident it's an immediate. go to western union and send us anywhere between 500 and about $2,000. it's not big money. but it's usually an immediate. neil: are they physically telling you to go to a point to get money. >> it's being wired. go to a place to wire money to us. neil: here's what struck me as odd, wouldn't any parent or grandparent check on the whereabouts of said son or grandson. >> most will. you're not going for the most. you're going for the few. some people will right away say, oh, my god, my granddaughter orson is injured. i have to take care of

this right away. neil: so people have paid up. >> we have cases, 200 in new york where people paid. (?) it is becoming, i wouldn't say an epidemic, but definitely an increase. something we have to be aware of. because the ones we do know about, that's where we went off -- neil: it's become popular in our culture. liam neeson in these "taken" movies. i don't know how many times that kid can be taken. >> yeah, and people are afraid. you hear about terrorism. you hear about kidnappings. you hear about an active shooter. that's always in the back of your mind. then all of a sudden i'm part of that. and an auto accident they were involved in an auto accident. headaches i'm here to help them. have to get them in the a hospital. how do we get them into the hospital? need money right away to put a down payment on it.

they're calling these people generally have been hispanic on the phone. (?) in other words, when they call, they speak in english. if the person on the other end speaks in spanish, they convert to spanish. we're seeing almost a definite push to the hispanic community. neil: amazing. thank you very much. so be warned everyone. richard frank. you think newspapers are dead? i know a very wealthy mexican who might disagree.

neil: well, in tonight's biz blitz did carlos slim say newspapers have a chance. the uber or ubero millionaire is more than

doubling his stake in the new york times becoming the paper's largest shareholder. >> yeah, he joins amazon's jeff bezos. newspapers are here to stay, but they have to change to survive. neil: great vote of confidence though. >> some of these front page writers at the new york times are so long and windy. everyone thinks they're earnest hemingway. and the train of thought is going off on any tangent. you cannot be like that. you have to hold your audience. you have to solid -- the times has pretty good reporting. you have to have really great stories written well and short. >> aarp might as well have come in and invested in these newspapers. these newspapers are going away. our kids won't read newspapers. neil: you always need the content though. >> but you won't have it in paper form. neil: you don't.

that doesn't mean he's making a foolish investment. >> people want the newspaper on the train. yes, they do. neil: you're right. >> at 14% interest mind you, and made a boatload of money. neil: he won't move the needle. >> that's correct. and the challenge is. how is it going to be delivered to us? where will you be going for your news? i read the new york times, politico, it's all on my devices. never touch a piece of paper. the content needs to be there. we're all in agreement -- neil: you're surrounded by haters. >> if you can't say it quickly, they won't read it. the ad generation has add. they're not reading -- neil: what do you say? on issue two, facebook has unleashed on the business world. it's an app letting people communicate with each other on the social site. rob, does this have problems? >> well, give facebook a lot of credit.

they're trying to catch a market wave that will be happening. neil: what's the wave. >> the market wave is being able to communicate through these social medias, your staff communicates better. the problem is, facebook has a history of data mining. how are these small or large companies going to trust that they won't be taking the data even though they say they won't be. >> i agree with rob. even though facebook says they won't sell ads on this. it's about getting more market information. tracy and i already started to communicate via social media about you, neil. neil: i'm well aware of that. what do you make of this? >> i think it's a logic step for facebook. to me, it makes sense. to know it's a workplace facebook, i actually think that will curb, you know, i'm not going to say bad things about lizzie if it's a social work thing.

neil: never vindictive. >> no. i'm a love bug. neil: really. just the cover. on to issue three the government forcing strip fuel economy targets on auto companies but with gas prices plummeting, customers opting for big gas guzzlers. is it phylum for time for the government to be pushing this. >> they need to make energy efficient cars that don't feel like a tin can. i would never put my kids in a volt or anything. neil: i would, depending on the day. >> you have kids. you have kids with stuff. you need big cars. neil: you've been assuming they're not -- mileage has improved markedly. >> america is a car culture. neil: you can have your cake and eat it too. >> maybe take it siefortses. side ways. dick durbin wants to

raise the gas tax a buck. the government tries to somehow take your buck. that's what i see the issue if this happens. >> tracy is right. people want bigger, safer cars to drive on the road. government imposed standards is what killed the auto industry. i hate to say it. and making those fuel efficient cars. you have to say why is tesla's final frontier is profits. people don't want that car yet because they don't have an efficient battery yet. they're getting there. but by 2020. they'll have to build 3 million of those cars everywhere to be profitable. >> they might rewrite it. to go to 55 miles a gallon -- neil: i can remember when they were pushing 20 miles a gallon. we cleared that and then some. >> the technology is there. >> the truck though. the escalade?

neil: have you seen the sunrise. suburbans? 20-feet a gallon. the tesla, they're beautiful cars. >> definitely. neil: although, the vehicles, no offense to you get over the arrogant thing. flicking people off. i see you down the highway. your charge is out. your battery is dead and you're hitching a ride aren't you? >> yes. and the decision right now, neil, to go buy a car, it is not gas. it's rarely gas. neil: gas prices go up. >> it's about safety. >> yeah. you still want the big armored tank to come down the highway. that would be me. >> americans like their big vehicles. neil: apparently. but obviously open minds close here don't they? kim jong-un and vladimir putin having comments.

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>> this could be the new axis of evil. kim jong-un considering russia for first trip abroad since taking power. ambassador paul bremmer whether one of the biggest opponents is a slap in the face. he's going there for the big soviet union 70th anniversary bash and the victory over the nazis. president obama is not going. so what's wrong if he goes there? a lot of world leaders are. why should we worry? >> no, he was never going to come here he doesn't like our movies. >> true. >> the interesting thing is probably the reaction in beijing, which he basically depends. politically and financially. i suspect that the korean

dictator sees a kindred soul in putin, an autocrat who believes in force, who is surrounded by cronies who are on the take. so it's a sort of friendship visit, let's say. >> i didn't think about it leave it to you to say something sxobs profound. he has not gone to visit the chinese leader. his father would go almost routinely by train to the capital. maybe the son has and i missed it. what do you make of it? >> i don't think he has. look he probably senseis and suspect correctly that the chinese are getting pretty tired of bailing him out. he's caused them a fair amount of trouble with their relations with the south koreans and the japanese. he is a bit of a kind of rogue power there sitting on their border. they have a real problem with him. >> he has control of the country. can't they do something. >> he wants to show he's got

other options. i suspect he's in moscow, or will be. >> he's triangulating with the russian thing, right? >> sending a message to everybody. these other guys in moscow on my side, too. it's a logical thing to do. >> how does he compare to his father and grandfather, i know his grandfather was the real rock star. but he's brought back some of the things his father used to be, talking to people on new year's day establishing more of an infinity. what do you think? >> margin of appealing to us if you look at it superficially, he's a chip off the old block or the old, old block, the grandfather's block. i don't see major changes there. >> ambassador, we'll watch closely. by the way, the actor who played him in "the interview," oscar worthy of course slighted at this year's oscars.

thank you, ambassador. and thank you for watching. just reminding you about "strange inheritance" coming up on the 26th. we preview it. man, the whole world is talking about it. . john: it's goliath, he's so big and scary. what chance does david have? today, davids all over the world are crushed by goliath government. >> hundreds of riot police knock activists to the ground. john: beer makers farmers, entrepreneurs, goliath says -- >> they're not properly regulated. john: goliath takes some of their home. >> not fair it's not right, but there's no telling when this nightmare will end. john: can david defeat goliath? that's our show tonight.