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that things should be judged byby their content, not color. see you tomorrow. thank you for being with us. good night from new york. neil: welcome, everybody. i'm neil cavuto. and is it me or is the president more creative in finding ways to raise money than he is at saving money? i ask because tomorrow night, he'll be at it again. a state of the union speech that will be big on soaking the rich. he wants to increase spending. that's not shocked. what is, is how creative he's getting. expect liberals to cheer his plan to squeeze money out of the well-to-do in the next decade. he tends to do that by hiking the capital gains rate up. keep in mind the president has already raised this rate from 15%, then to 23.8 23.8%.
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he wants to eliminate loopholes and pay taxes as soon as those securities are inherited. kids, you're not getting away with anything. for many, that's the equivalent of a ten percentage point in the state tax. i could go on and talk about the fees on roughly 100 firms of assets of more than $50 billion. i could mention how these new taxes would be in addition to surtaxes on the rich for medicare and asset sales related to the president's health care law. i would be open to this kind of stuff if the president didn't say well, stuff it to financial restraint. still talking about free college and free internet. strategically investing money we don't have on giveaways that hasn't given this economy a big boost. why is he doing it all
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now? here we go again. sometimes, sometimes i wonder why the other side even bothers showing up. republican congressman luke will be there. he sees this pattern of the more taxes. what is your definition then of a fair share, congressman? the president used to say it was 39.6%. it seems to go higher and higher. what do you think? >> well, this is a tax and spend plan straight out of the 1970s where we grow -- government grow washington's economy at the expense of the american economy. you know i represent indiana's sixth district which is a district full of working families. when i talk to a worker at a restaurant or a nurse at a hospital they're not asking for a handout. they're seeing a system rigged against them. and they know that big government works best for the rich and powerful because they
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can afford to play the game and others can't. the president's plan is to grow the government at the expense of everyone else. >> the president will argue tomorrow night that this is for the middle class and for those who chat with in indiana who is, look, i need a break. now here is the president providing that break. you say what? >> when the president promises to raise taxes on the rich, his pattern has been saying that and then the taxes always creep down to the middle class. what we need to do is spur economic growth, have more jobs. when you look back on the our history in the 1950s, 1980s, 1990s, when we had a booming economy and growing wages, it was because we had a healthy economy. and the best way to raise wages -- and the reality is: the shrinking paycheck is what many americans are experiencing. we have to have more jobs and competition for
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workers. koovment neil: you alluded to that. that was a 90% top rate. we have a ways to go, the liberals say. what do you say? >> we had great tax cuts, as you know, in the 1980s. and we had spending reductions in the 1990s. the federal government last year took in $3 trillion. that's 40% than just five years ago when we took in $4.000000000000. we have tooin -- neil: the president will be dangling these carrots free internet, if you're against, you have to look cal callous. how do you present it? >> we need to talk about a balanced budget amendment. people out in america understand you can't spend money that you don't have. and we need to start focusing on the policies
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that will grow our economy and all the above energy policy. common sense tax reform that have lower rates for everybody as you've talked about on this show. america's corporate tax rate is the highest in the world. it's a job killer. >> a lot of those guys, to your point, are leaving town. congressman, always a pleasure. look forward to seeing you in that crowd tomorrow night. the president is expected to say that the rich should stop whining and that they should start paying. they can afford it. pay your fair share. what exactly is a fair share? i thought when the president returned the. to rate to 39.6%, that was that. the president said something like that. then the health care law to pay another couple percent, bigger tax on asset sales to pay for that health care law. those taxes added up to the top rate moving up to 45%.
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and i'm not even addressing state and local taxes that in many states take over 55%. some states over 60%. back to my simplistic question. what is fair? what is the proper share? to our fox busy all-stars. tracy, what is a fair share? >> not that. that is not fair, liz. neil: i'm neil. >> liz will give you the numbers. you work all your life. you come home, your paycheck is gone because already so much has gone to taxes. it won't trickle down the way he wants. hurting the rich, it doesn't work. they're smart enough to figure out loopholes and get around it. the notion you're hurting the inherited is crazy. that's not fair to them. you're pulling out more money out of the economy. pulling people out of the country. more people sheltering money overseas. and stock market
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gyrations if these go into effect. neil: he says if he's awful for the markets, they have a funny way of showing it. >> it's the federal reserve's doing. they orchestrated that. you're right to bring up the capital gains rate and what is the fair share? time again he thinks you can make the poorer rich by taking it from the rich. it doesn't work that way. you know, what's really bad is the capital gains tax hikes. because he he is saying that essentially, oh you know 28% bring it back to the reagan era. they didn't have the same income tax rate. also obamacare has -- neil: that capital gains rate came down. >> that's right. neil: it depends where you take the snapshot. >> 28% capital gains which hit the small businesses, that doesn't
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include his obamacare tax hike cuts. then you bring in state and local, again, it's a 35 40. that hits small businesses. the small businesses create jobs in this country. the government creates jobs in the accounting industry. neil: i always go, they're very creative. you know, what he's trying to do in capital gains. what he's trying to do with these 50 odd businesses and their assets, it's clever. i wish he would use a fracture of that cleverness to address spending. not some herculean fashion, but something that shows you can be half as aggressive on the spending side as on the revenue side. >> the first obama tax increase targeted the 1%. this is the .01%. he left everybody out. under clinton, we had much higher taxes. today that gap between that family and the million dollar family is
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high. now he's addressing the 100 million-dollar household is a lower paying tax bracket than the 10 million 1 million-dollar house. that's a legitimate issue. it could be dealt with by lowering the top bracket and raising the capital gains where it needs to be. this movement more and more from the top, the problem is, you can't make poor and middle class people richer by taking from the rich. you can make the poorer richer. you can't make magically make people earn more -- neil: when you look at the combined taxes. besides the 2.8% surcharge. the medicare-related. you add that up, you're around the 50% mark. where do you see this going? >> i'm telling you, they will find loopholes. this is why it backfires every single time. the middle class, they'll just pay their taxes. they'll pay what you need to pay. the rich won't pay this.
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they will figure out a way around this. neil: well, you're feeding the narrative that they're deceitful. >> there's holes -- >> it won't work. >> congress doesn't understand the tax law enough to make laws. the one thing that bothers me the most, he will increase the child care tax credit by three times. it's supposed to help working families. it's ripe for fraud. the earned income tax credit we're getting robbed. -- neil: a lot of people are saying their 45-year-old child -- >> needs care. >> you can't mistake spending for achievement. i don't think the voters voted in the g.o.p. to raise taxes. neil: you can't mistake spending for achievement. >> yeah, you can't. neil: speaking of which this whole issue attacks front and center with the president's state of the union address. our coverage begins at 8:00 p.m. we have a whose who. including a woman who could be president.
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scott mcneely. real estate mogul black from up north in canada. and responses from ted cruz. all this immediately following the speech. also be monitoring across the globe. so as the president is speaking we'll be monitoring how those markets are responding. you can get one or the other. one on a financial channel. the political stuff on a news channel or you can get both right here. it's your choice. do you want to make money and have a meaningful productive life? or do you want to go on slip sliding away? it's your call. meanwhile, death, taxes and no keystone. the three certainties from the white house that a pipeline ceo hopes the president will whittle down to two tomorrow night. don't plan on it but it's a hope.
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neil: so much as stake tomorrow. but if you think the president will budge on a certain pipeline, you're keystoned out of your mind. the president is expected to renew his veto threat. transcanada russ girling is wondering if why he's pushing this off the table. if he goes through with this, despite the february 2nd deadline where all those eight agencies have some stake in this issue their respective reports and still says it's not worth it. what will you do? >> i think it's -- as i said many times before, is as long as our customers continue to want a pipeline to move production from canada and to the gulf coast. we'll find a way to make it happen.
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neil: do those customers still want it or look at the cheap prices and say we're okay with the way things are. >> it's the exact opposite. production is up in canada. up 2 million barrels a day in the u.s. have to get that 3 million barrels to market. they want to get it off rail and to an environmentally friendly pipeline. >> i've wondered whether canada takes this and runs it. and to hell with the united states. we'll just do our own. >> as long as our customers still want to move this product to market, that probably won't happen. it's a series of -- neil: if the americans don't want it, that is, the president doesn't let this happen you're almost left with no other choice. right? >> yeah, canada will look for alternative markets. at the end of the day, if we can get the crude to -- into another source of transportation, a million and a half barrels a day of loading
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capacity in the rail side in alberta. that will move to the gulf coast. they import many gallons a day. that will happen. we'll get it on a pipe. put it on a barge. get it to the golf coast. it doesn't require presidential permit -- neil: you think they'll come up with creative alternatives and sooner rather than later because it looks like this thing is not going through in the eyes of the president. >> it's already happening. the crude oil is flowing. since we made our application, canadian production is greater than the amount of the keystone pipeline. that oil is already moving to market. it's found alternatives to get there. it's far cheaper and safer to move it through a pipeline. so the demand will stay. the oil is already flowing. unfortunately for our detractors who want to keep it in the ground, that won't happen. neil: by any other means than a
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pipeline, there's still ways to get it. >> yes, for sure. neil: it's not ideal. the flip side, you've heard, with oil prices tumbling to the degree they have, the whole thing isn't worth the fuss. what do you think of that? >> again, i think most folks take a long-term view of oil prices, and the folks that are building those facilities are making a multi decade major capital decision. what we've seen in the past in 2000, when we made our application for keystone, the price was $40 a barrel. they still made decisions to expand those facilities. world demand for oil and energy will continue to grow. it's going to consume more oil. ten years from now than it is today. and the need for canadian oil is going to continue to grow. neil: do you see prices rising back to that $107 a barrel any time soon? >> i think it will be some time. clear there's an oversupply of oil right now in the marketplace.
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at lower prices, demand will increase. i've been at this for 30 years. not the first time i've seen oil prices down. they cycle. they will move back up. but that won't happen in the next quarter. neil: do you think the president is just stubborn? he ignores a lot of the people who argue unions, think the jobs could be enticing, or does he care? >> i have no idea. i've never had a chance to actually have that conversation. i think clearly what we're focused on is getting our -- neil: has he talked to you. you're a big deal on this whole thing? >> our primary interface with the us administration is through the state department where we've made our application. we do. we continue to meet with them -- neil: anyone worth noting? it sounds like his personnel are chatting with you. >> it's the folks who have been charged with the responsibility of reviewing our application, and the folks that actually generated the 17,000
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pages of -- neil: i was just going to say. they're not exactly moving at a rocket-like pace. all right russ glirlg. we'll see what happens. thank you. if every major republican bigwig says mitt is wasting his time how is it that word has not filtered down to everyone else. the polls to prove it, after this. ♪ edward jones. with nearly 7 million investors oh hey, neill, how are you?
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neil: i never get enough of that graphic. it's time for neil's spiel. let the mitt fit begin. mitt can all, but stuff it. he shouldn't run for president again because the party doesn't want him again and his teasing is terrorizing. george will says mitt's time has come and gone. a nice man that's time
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has come and gone. republicans and conservatives alike that says romney is history. it will fracture a crowded field and will guarantee a democratic president. many of these were the same folks who spoke lovingly about romney back then. he was ahead of his time. now they figure past his time. maybe past their time. but i don't know about past all republican's time. in the latest cbs poll guess who garners the most support, mitt romney? that's how many would like to see him jump into the fray. a tad higher than would like to see jeb bush do so, by the way. i'm not saying they're right. but they clearly don't seem to think romney suiting up for a third time would be all that wrong. i say then, let the voters decide. let's see who well, pretty much eats whose cash. let's see if the donors end up splitting between romney and bush or
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ignore both and favor for someone else. i've had enough with pundits who say they know who can win this race. weren't these the same experts that said bill clinton didn't have a chance. or a presidential bid ronald reagan was done. look it's way too early to start publishing public obituaries. the folks you're writing about, aren't dead. jonas, what do you think? >> i think they're totally wrong. mitt romney is a likable person to a lot of people. maybe not to everybody. he seems pleasant. neil: that seems like fanning praise. i can't tell you how many girls in high school said that about me. >> when you're in a weak pool of people, that's good enough. we need someone with a little business sense that can balance budgets and make financial moves like a bloomberg person.
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these other people are politicians. mitt romney was a good businessperson running the sate state of massachusetts. that is appealing after two different presidents that have weak business skills. >> i love, by the way what you said. everything was terrific. i want to read it in editorial. put it in print. listen, there's buyer's remorse with obama. neil: now, there's remorse from him from this crowd. >> mitt romney has optimism about him. he loves his country and his family. so voters -- neil: what about your time has come and gone? clear the field? >> the black swiss anvil heading over his head, the 46% of the country that gets benefits. that will hang him up. the middle class giveaways in the state of the union address coming. >> they didn't say run. neil: there's no harm. we want it.
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fine. >> get them out there. the more the merrier. the bigger pool to pick the right person. neil: a lot of donors will tell you this, we need to be clear now. this early you need to be clear. i don't know. do you? >> we've had races with a number of people in them. >> he's proven to raise a lot of money. neil: that they would have a tougher time in a field getting donors. >> one guy is talking about shutting the fed down. he will sound sensible. that's what will win him. not win him the election, but get him through the fray. neil: he can come to the dance. >> yeah. that's all they're doing. inviting him to the table. third time is the charm. neil: we'll see. don't say wemples warn you. the president will be dragging a lot tomorrow night. the texas attorney general who says he should shut up on one matter because pretty sure it will be in my world, wall isn't a street...
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neil: out of executive order? not to hear the president of the united states tell it. he will crow about his executive action on illegal immigration. but texas attorney general ken paxton says on this matter, the president might want to shut up. the court will strike him down. the attorney general is here to explain. you have my gosh, it looks like half the states in the country signing on -- >> twenty-five. neil: what is the gist, that what the president is doing is overreach? >> we're saying it's a violation of the federal constitution and a violation of statutory law and that he is no authority to do what he's doing. neil: he obviously says he does have authority to do what he's doing. if a court were not to agree with you and more or less say he can keep doing what he's doing and settle this in the
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legislative arena, what does that mean. >> his argument is that he has prosecutorial discretion to allocate resources however he wants to. in this case he's not allocating resources. he's actually ignoring a rule or a law. so he's not going on a case-by-case basis. >> i know what you're saying, attorney general. here's what i'm worrying about. he'll run out the clock on this. let's say he loses this. he'll appeal this. while that's running out, these deportations stay and more and more are told, you don't have to worry about being shipped back anywhere. and that will be his friend. and he knows it. what do you think? >> all we can do is file our case. our motion was for a preliminary injunction to stop it. it will be up to the courts to tell us whether we'll get that preliminary injunction. >> will the preliminary injunction, will that stop the president from going his merry way because he would likely
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do everything to appeal that, or will that injunction hold and that this would have to stop? >> well, if the court grants our motion and they grant the preliminary injunction. he'll have to stop. we were told that he was going to start implementing sometime in march. so we asked the court to have the preliminary injunction prior to that date. neil: i know you're a lawyer and darn good one. do you think this is more about politics, general, then it is about the law? in other words, he thinks this this is the democrat's best asset, wooing these potential voters and it's as simple as that. >> i don't know what he's thinking. for the last six years starting back to when he was running for office even up to the summer of 2014, he was telling people that he couldn't do this, that he didn't have the legal authority to do this. neil: that's right. >> i don't know what his motivation is. it's interesting, this is an an about-face of what he told us for the last six years.
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neil: there is precedent to that. thank you, attorney general. very good seeing you. the texas attorney general might not want to hear the president talk about executive action on illegal immigration tomorrow, most americans want to hear the president talk about something else. the war on terror. 76% of americans say that it is by far their number one priority right now. and they are hoping that the president puts it front and center tomorrow night. bush 43 secretary of defense says they might not want to hold their breath. doug, you think the president will gloss over this or even address this, what do you think? >> neil, i think that a lot aye large part of the reason the american people is agitated is because of the recent murders in paris, which got the attention of a lot of people in the world and educated a lot of people about the dangers of islamic extremism. (?) one of the the basic problems with the president's approach to
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the problem is he continues to refuse to acknowledge that this is in essence an ideological problem. you saw that when josh earnest was basically turning himself into a pretzel to avoid using the term islamist extremism. neil: i'm wondering whether there's a sense of inconsistency among western leaders. what do you think? >> well, what we've seen in recent days is that you have very strong statements by the french prime minister and by the british prime minister that the problem is essentially ideological in nature. and we need to -- if we're going to have a serious strategy against terrorism, there has to be an ideological component. we saw the president of egypt make an extraordinary statement that called on muslims around the world to
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recognize that -- that islamism, which is a totalitarian political ideology that that is not the same as islam needs to be fought by muslims and it's ruining the standing of muslim in the eyes of the world. neil: it's one thing for the president of egypt to say that, which is amazing. we won't hear anything approaching that from the president. we haven't heard it and i doubt we'll hear it tomorrow night. >> no, i agree. and it's really impossible for the us government to organize a serious comprehensive strategy to deal with the terrorism problem if you have the president denying the ideological essence of the problem. neil: you're exactly right. you're exactly right. and that you said very well. doug, thank you very much. doug. maybe we'll hear that out of the president but i don't know. here's why i think that andrew cuomo is looking at a bigger job.
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businesses or mid-sized businesses that have already been forced to increase taxes or they're looking at additional health care costs. if they have more than 50 employees. (?) this can have a big impact on their employees. neil: do they cut back on employees? make them part-time? >> they can cut back on employees. take a small business that has a receptionist. can i justify this position or do i want to go with automated technology? neil: they always say that's the a bugaboo it never happens. to any widespread degree. quit scaring people. you say what? >> it could happen. for a small to medium-sized business that might be strapped to invest and grow their business, they may have to make hard choices and not be able to pay that
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person. or even if they dried to decide to pay that person, howl how will they pass that cost down and protect their margins? neil: people don't even mind if those businesses go out. that other businesses will grow. that they will thrive in this environment. they'll spend more money. all will benefit. if that's what happened in this darwinian world, so be it. >> it's important to look at raising wages. it needs to be driven by demand. it depends on the skill, the position. neil: so aetna doing this, that's one thing, their business is hot, competitive. very much in demand. another thing for mcdonald's or burger king. >> yeah, so aetna has a strategy, they want to have the best people. they want to recruit. they want to hire and retain and engage their
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employees. they're paying them more towards $16 an hour because they want to keep their people and provide good customer service. that's a different strategy than burger king or mcdonald's having to pay more. their profit margins will go down. they'll raise the price of their burgers. neil: now couldn't that also be like a scarlet letter. businesses will say, to hell i will go to new york. >> he has other things in the plan that maybe will help a small business. but, yes that's going to impact them. so even though as i said i'm for raising wages. i think it needs to be driven by, you know, is it a hot skill? technology? health care? neil: there has to be a way to do this. >> just not across-the-board. neil: you know of what you speak. thank you very much. good thing the markets were closed today. something went down in china, that i'm telling you, would have had them crashing today, at
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neil: all right. in tonight's biz blitz let's say it's a good fortunatelything our markets were closed. had they been open, there's no way they could have would they the initial shock wave of china's market falling the equivalent of -- the biggest daily hit that market has seen since june 2008. it reverberated throughout asia. they tried to clamp down on margin rules the government is feeding fraud and leading to the equivalent of speculative trading on steroids. it got us thinking. it happens sometimes. what if this is a sign of bigger problems going on in china. we already learned its economy could be slowing.
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is my penal my panel worrying? >> i'm not really worried. they have to buy our stuff. at the same time, they need us more than we need them, at the end of the day. look europe actually managed to get through this without a problem. the europe market was up, at the end of the day. we would have been up, at the end of the day. you're right. we would have probably opened down. at the end of the day, china needs us more than we need them. we have to remind ourselves of that. neil: if they were the big engine of the world. right? and they showed signs they were sputtering -- >> when china collapses is the major talk. it doesn't make sense. it's centrally planned. ridiculous gdp growth rate. they're like in a recession when they're only growing 4% a year. neil: they lie about all those numbers. >> they use a lot of resources. i'm worried about all the emerging markets thinking about all these commodities going down with china. causing our dollar to
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crank up and we can't export anything. neil: what is another few percent between some very very rich friends. the rich can well-afford a capital gains hike to 28%. up from 15% when he took office. his argument, and you touched on this at the beginning of the show is that hey, it was higher with ronnie reagan, why are you wining? >> it was not nearly 40% under reagan. it was 28%. the president is so off base. you have to think, is he serious about it? the correspondent for the associated press, if he was for the tax plan he would have -- he's traveling to india three days after the state of the union. by the way the capital gains hike hits small businesses. i have to say it time and again. at a time when median income is down 8%. we have less people
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working. less than that share is working less in germany or the uk or japan or france, you have to say we have income inequality because of a lack of jobs. >> to lizzie's point, many small businesses report on their individual tax returns that's why they'll get hit by this. they don't report as corporations that can evade this. it's mom and pop stores. anything on that return hits your small businesses. unfortunately, i think it's so bad for business. again, you'll see stock market gyrations and uber wealthy figuring out ways around it. neil: to our point earlier the uber wealthy has had a great time the past couple of years. >> it's not right that they pay a lower tax rate than i do. neil: but you're richer than he is. >> but he pays so much. >> america, our number one driver is venture capitalist with a very
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favorable capital gains rate. one of the reasons it's here. not the only reason. if they want to fix it, lower income rates. so they're the same -- >> jobs come from investment. the investment goes into small businesses -- >> if we had a 70% capital gains rate, we wouldn't have silicon valley in america. neil: we wouldn't i have a have a country. >> some level would ruin it. neil: a new website called hackers list letting folks hiring hackers to do their digital dirty work. if i want to do hacking on liz hire a hacker and say go to town. >> do you have to hire someone? this is so unethical and immoral. your personal hacker? seriously? don't you have any other time -- you have too much time to be doing in hadthis. >> if you think your
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spouse is cheating on you, you hire them tomorrow. neil: really? nothing illegal about this unless it's government espionage. >> there's no way that's 100 percent that's the way it is. i want my photos removed from someone's site. the fact you're not doing the hacking. we plant subs in korea you're going to jail. neil: how would you identify yourself? >> how do you trust a hacker? neil: don't say i put you up to this. >> i mean, i can see how there's going to be -- >> this is my point. >> to be honest -- >> maybe they need a name-change. >> i have a personal hacker. >> they need a name-change. they shouldn't call themselves hackers. >> it's my it consultant. out in russia. neil: all right. regardless, we're not making any moral judgments here. i'm just saying, go u.s.
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poll number coming up and then the economy keeps getting better and better and that means that his poll numbers are going to go up. and number three he can use this to show that he's doing something for the american people. that means that he can continue to show action and he really doesn't have to worry whether congress goes along with anything or not that he proposes. neil: do you think that this recovery, say what you will, it is long in the tooth. and so it might run out of steam and then all bets are off. >> in the meantime right now you have all the numbers going in the right direction. and if you talk to people that have money in the stock market, they are very happy. neil: that is something that we
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have been told that he will be talking about. and they have a funny way of showing it he will also be talking about this with some of the businesses. it is a populist approach, a popular approach and will that resonate reign. >> what does he have to lose? is going to consolidate his base and if he's got the democratic party united from the get go that puts him in a better position than many republicans are, still divided. neil: wouldn't he not get stuff done or has he become so resigned that executive orders mean nothing. >> exactly. he can show that he's leaving just by taking out that 10 and signing the executive orders.
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the republicans have the downside, which is they actually have to pass legislation that he will sign. neil: what if they pass a lot of legislation that he doesn't sign. and they could punish them for being the veto president. the only person i can think of was jerry ford, and that was just during a small window. and that is a long time ago. basically, you know, he has hardly veto anything. neil: that could rapidly change. thank you very much by the way the state of the union coverage beginning tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. i will be joined by possible
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presidential candidate and we will ask what he thinks of this. plus we will have ted cruz and talk to other people as well. that. it felt like a very long week. kennedy: what you put in your mouth is your business. the federal government is still talking about the busybodies. and many reside at the fda. should governmental nitpickers stop you every time you want cherry cheesecake? just because it sounds gross to you and your palate, we will separate this food from fact and government regulations be done. it's a food fight and this

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